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triceptor
06-09-2009, 03:06 PM
Two printers turned down the job due to the Hitler'esque image on the logo. One printer I've done business with to produce the Super Human Radio T-Shirts.

They both took offense to the logo and thought the radio show discussed anti-semitic, racist and hate related topics. Can you imagine this bullshit?

What the fuck happened to freedom of speech? Freedom of expression? Fucking douche-bags. I'll find a printer ASAP! Now its a challenge.

Carl

Amado Carrillo Fuentes
06-09-2009, 03:14 PM
what a bunch of pussies, hey bobby smalls doesnt print?

i am in chicago if you want i can ask latino printers to do it for you we just need to get in touch via pms i guess

Aaron Singerman
06-09-2009, 03:24 PM
Two printers turned down the job due to the Hitler'esque image on the logo. One printer I've done business with to produce the Super Human Radio T-Shirts.

They both took offense to the logo and thought the radio show discussed anti-semitic, racist and hate related topics. Can you imagine this bullshit?

What the fuck happened to freedom of speech? Freedom of expression? Fucking douche-bags. I'll find a printer ASAP! Now its a challenge.

Carl

Give the order as Carl Lanorestein...

.DP
06-09-2009, 03:31 PM
Send a basket of bagels and money with your next purchase order.

The Big Sexy
06-09-2009, 03:34 PM
E-mail my shirt guy - they'll do it... PM me for details if you are interested...

Skeptic
06-09-2009, 03:58 PM
After all of the completely legitimate freedom arguments have been exhausted, you're still lining up to buy a Hitler T-Shirt.

fitQuest
06-09-2009, 04:00 PM
I am not sensitive to these things, but I REALLY DON'T see the point in having Hitler's face as the "Off Topic" logo.

It looks fucking dumb and pointless.. Sorry Carl and Aaron, but it does! The show is controversial and edgy enough as it is.. you DON'T NEED shock factor gimmicks like Hitler's face for a logo!

Voland
06-09-2009, 04:10 PM
wuss pandemia.

kraken
06-09-2009, 04:13 PM
PC horseshit.

Shadow
06-09-2009, 04:14 PM
After all of the completely legitimate freedom arguments have been exhausted, you're still lining up to buy a Hitler T-Shirt.


I am not sensitive to these things, but I REALLY DON'T see the point in having Hitler's face as the "Off Topic" logo.

It looks fucking dumb and pointless.. Sorry Carl and Aaron, but it does! The show is controversial and edgy enough as it is.. you DON'T NEED shock factor gimmicks like Hitler's face for a logo!

So true.

fitQuest
06-09-2009, 04:22 PM
People in Europe are not so easily forgetful.. would you like to buy and wear a T-Shirt of a guy who was responsible for the mass murder, rape, genocide of your relatives 50+ years from now?

"Oh.. HAHA.. it's soo COOL and EDGY.. WE'RE SOO FUNNY".. eventually, it will hurt your careers, guests will be worried about coming on the show, sponsors will not want to sponsor you, people will be afraid of being assoociated with you and then you can just sit around and talk about Leave1 and other forum memebers that the rest of the world doesn't give a flying fuck about.. or maybe how much test you injected in your ass this week.. and in Carl's case, how he tried rubbing it in his eyes while watching Big Booty Porn!

triceptor
06-09-2009, 04:28 PM
After all of the completely legitimate freedom arguments have been exhausted, you're still lining up to buy a Hitler T-Shirt.


Dude its not Hitler!! Its an American Naval Admiral with heart shaped glasses and a Hitler mustache. Its not Hitler.

The idea was that people have skeletons in their closets that are shocking if only people knew and the Admiral depicts that.

Carl

triceptor
06-09-2009, 04:30 PM
I am not sensitive to these things, but I REALLY DON'T see the point in having Hitler's face as the "Off Topic" logo.

It looks fucking dumb and pointless.. Sorry Carl and Aaron, but it does! The show is controversial and edgy enough as it is.. you DON'T NEED shock factor gimmicks like Hitler's face for a logo!

again.. its not Hitler.

Voland
06-09-2009, 04:31 PM
Smart people don't make a big deal out of a cartoon.

triceptor
06-09-2009, 04:32 PM
OK so you don't like the show. I get it.


People in Europe are not so easily forgetful.. would you like to buy and wear a T-Shirt of a guy who was responsible for the mass murder, rape, genocide of your relatives 50+ years from now?

"Oh.. HAHA.. it's soo COOL and EDGY.. WE'RE SOO FUNNY".. eventually, it will hurt your careers, guests will be worried about coming on the show, sponsors will not want to sponsor you, people will be afraid of being assoociated with you and then you can just sit around and talk about Leave1 and other forum memebers that the rest of the world doesn't give a flying fuck about.. or maybe how much test you injected in your ass this week.. and in Carl's case, how he tried rubbing it in his eyes while watching Big Booty Porn!

Larry C
06-09-2009, 04:32 PM
There is only one solution Carl, grow a Hitler moustache and go in spewing vast amounts of German vulgarity:

triceptor
06-09-2009, 04:34 PM
there is only one solution carl, grow a hitler moustache and go in spewing vast amounts of german vulgarity:

lol

Deimos Anomaly
06-09-2009, 04:35 PM
Let the haters hate, Carl. I for one, being European, have no problem whatsoever with the Hitler-esque face in the logo. In fact, I think it's damn funny.

Succesfully dealing with the horrors of the past means being able to treat it with humor and a good grain of salt...!

Deimos Anomaly
06-09-2009, 04:35 PM
Smart people don't make a big deal out of a cartoon.

Quoted for truth.

Voland
06-09-2009, 04:37 PM
http://g.imagehost.org/0035/angrycarl.jpg

:D

fitQuest
06-09-2009, 04:38 PM
OK so you don't like the show. I get it.

Are you kidding me.. I FUCKING LOVE THE SHOW!

I have listened to EVERY episode and have listened to EVERY SUPER HUMAN RADIO Episode.. I'm subscribed on iTunes etc.

Just because I don't like the logo, it doesn't mean I can't enjoy the content.. I just wanted to bust your balls.. :D

How else would I know all the shit I just said about you, with the big booty love, chemicals in the eyes etc?

ultimate
06-09-2009, 05:06 PM
is this the official theme to off topic radio?

PeZPGhVKXqs

triceptor
06-09-2009, 05:07 PM
Thanks for the clarification. The logo may be moot if I can't find a screen printer with some balls who will print it. Thanks for listening to the show BTW.. both of them.

Carl


Are you kidding me.. I FUCKING LOVE THE SHOW!

I have listened to EVERY episode and have listened to EVERY SUPER HUMAN RADIO Episode.. I'm subscribed on iTunes etc.

Just because I don't like the logo, it doesn't mean I can't enjoy the content.. I just wanted to bust your balls.. :D

How else would I know all the shit I just said about you, with the big booty love, chemicals in the eyes etc?

triceptor
06-09-2009, 05:08 PM
That's funny.


is this the official theme to off topic radio?

PeZPGhVKXqs

Zetawill
06-09-2009, 05:11 PM
Two printers turned down the job due to the Hitler'esque image on the logo. One printer I've done business with to produce the Super Human Radio T-Shirts.

They both took offense to the logo and thought the radio show discussed anti-semitic, racist and hate related topics. Can you imagine this bullshit?

What the fuck happened to freedom of speech? Freedom of expression? Fucking douche-bags. I'll find a printer ASAP! Now its a challenge.

Carl

So extremely ironic that they think it's anti-semitic and having the lovable and Jewish Aaron on their. The show does get a little hate-filled when talking about out of control LE.

Let us know the second you get them printed, I'll support the cause! Have you tried to find a Jewish printer?

Aaron Singerman
06-09-2009, 05:13 PM
I like the Hitler Mustache on Carl... Now that he's single, I think it'd help with chicks... Poll?

triceptor
06-09-2009, 05:14 PM
Now you're talking. Fuck all this talk about and image that LOOKS like Hitler. The FDA is Hitler in action! CODEX was started by the guy who ran IG Farbin.. the government contractor that built the concentration camps, made the gas for the gas chambers, built the rail roads and rail cars... they basically constructed the Nazi machine. He later went on to run Bayer and that's where he designed the CODEX Alimentarius... because he understood that he who controls the food controls the people. The FDA will enforce CODEX here in the USA and you won't even be able to buy DHEA or Melatonin any more.

Ask your friends in Europe. They can't even buy glucosamine or high dose Vitamin C over there.

FDA = Nazi's


http://g.imagehost.org/0035/angrycarl.jpg

:D

Amado Carrillo Fuentes
06-09-2009, 05:14 PM
is this the official theme to off topic radio?

PeZPGhVKXqs

the beat is rammstein, but this shit is bootleg as fuck, just because rammstein is from germany it doesn mean they nazis

Larry C
06-09-2009, 05:20 PM
I like the Hitler Mustache on Carl... Now that he's single, I think it'd help with chicks... Poll?
I've grown a full beard and can honestly tell you it never helps with hooking up, unless Carl is into cougars and if he is then he should have done it years ago!

Deimos Anomaly
06-09-2009, 05:28 PM
Ask your friends in Europe. They can't even buy glucosamine or high dose Vitamin C over there.

FDA = Nazi's

I dunno about that, Carl. No problems here.

Larry C
06-09-2009, 05:34 PM
They tried to have certain supplements restricted to prescriptions over here in Ireland. There were petitions signed against the idea and I haven't heard anything about it since however NO-Xplode is banned over here because of apparently high quantities of B12.

Aaron Singerman
06-09-2009, 05:44 PM
I've grown a full beard and can honestly tell you it never helps with hooking up, unless Carl is into cougars and if he is then he should have done it years ago!

At this point, I think Carl will take what he can get!

triceptor
06-09-2009, 06:27 PM
When I did the show on CODEX a friend and fan who's screen name here on RxM is House M. D. PM'd me from Germany during the show and said his mum needed a script to get Selenium due to CODEX.


I dunno about that, Carl. No problems here.

APK
06-09-2009, 07:13 PM
People in Europe are not so easily forgetful.. would you like to buy and wear a T-Shirt of a guy who was responsible for the mass murder, rape, genocide of your relatives 50+ years from now?

"Oh.. HAHA.. it's soo COOL and EDGY.. WE'RE SOO FUNNY".. eventually, it will hurt your careers, guests will be worried about coming on the show, sponsors will not want to sponsor you, people will be afraid of being assoociated with you and then you can just sit around and talk about Leave1 and other forum memebers that the rest of the world doesn't give a flying fuck about.. or maybe how much test you injected in your ass this week.. and in Carl's case, how he tried rubbing it in his eyes while watching Big Booty Porn!

I think the logo is amazing. Anyways Im not worried about some Jewish guy coming up to me and say "WTF is up with your shirt." However I do have blue eyes, a blond mowhock, and piercings. So that might cause some assumptions.

Zetawill
06-09-2009, 08:30 PM
The only Jewish guy I've ever been afraid of just based on sheer size was Aaron.

JGEAN
06-09-2009, 08:37 PM
Carl is the man! Hail Carl...............we need a video of Carl Goose Stepping!

fitmomma3
06-09-2009, 08:48 PM
This reminds me of the story where the store refused to right "Happy Birthday Hitler" for a three year old on the birthday cake?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5358489.ece

Larry C
06-09-2009, 08:51 PM
This reminds me of the story where the store refused to right "Happy Birthday Hitler" for a three year old on the birthday cake?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5358489.ece
Seriously what the hell is wrong with those parents? 'Adolf Hitler Campbell turned 3 this week and celebrated at a party with his younger sisters Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie (sic apparently in tribute to Heinrich Himmler) and JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell.'

Aaron Singerman
06-09-2009, 10:16 PM
Ok... time to clear this up:

The picture is of a AMERICAN Army general Carl's daughter (an artist) made to look like Hitler. She sent this logo to Carl in a B-day card. On the front of the card she had drawn Hitler with heart shaped glasses... the message next to Hitler says, "I only have eyes for JEW!"... We added, "A forum for the shocking truth"... as in, Hitler wears heart shaped glasses... making fun... get it?

Also.. I am Jewish and Carl's ex-wife and 3 children are Jewish. I had many family members that died in WWII...

Feel better now?


SO the artist who made the logo was Jewish... The hosts are Jewish (Carl is at lest 50%)... and the proprietor of this site is Jewish (Dave... his mother was Jewish). I think that Hitler is in good hands... don't you? lol.


These were posted in the pit... but I think they are needed again here!

fitmomma3
06-09-2009, 10:40 PM
Haha I had to re-read the "I only have eyes for JEW" part lol

MethodAir
06-10-2009, 02:09 AM
Great show...logo is distracting...

przechuy
06-10-2009, 03:03 AM
You know,i am also one of those that can make laughs of hitler picture nowadays,but judging on facts-
this motherfucker and gErmans started war that killed milions of people,starved,burned in death camps ,blowed by grenades in premade earlier holes etc etc.
Evil on unbelievable scale .Therefore i am not surprised that some people are offended with it and i understand it perfectly.

Just keep in mind that still some of those guys that landed in Normandy ,or was invading Berlin is still alive,imagine them seeing a guy in such shirt.

(btw recently in Poland we had great situation ,during renovation of death camp in Auschwitz -Oswiecim ,that germans built,but on polish ground ,workers found a letter hidden in a hole in a wall....It was written by polish prisoners in this death camp ,and guess what,2 of guys that wrote this letter 65 years ago is still alive,press found them and they met ...unbelievable story)

Therefore those are reasons that i think maybe this picture should be changed....You also have such guys in USA ,and making any kind of shirt with Hitler's picture is not best idea

triceptor
06-10-2009, 05:08 AM
You know,i am also one of those that can make laughs of hitler picture nowadays,but judging on facts-
this motherfucker and gErmans started war that killed milions of people,starved,burned in death camps ,blowed by grenades in premade earlier holes etc etc.
Evil on unbelievable scale .Therefore i am not surprised that some people are offended with it and i understand it perfectly.

Just keep in mind that still some of those guys that landed in Normandy ,or was invading Berlin is still alive,imagine them seeing a guy in such shirt.

(btw recently in Poland we had great situation ,during renovation of death camp in Auschwitz -Oswiecim ,that germans built,but on polish ground ,workers found a letter hidden in a hole in a wall....It was written by polish prisoners in this death camp ,and guess what,2 of guys that wrote this letter 65 years ago is still alive,press found them and they met ...unbelievable story)

Therefore those are reasons that i think maybe this picture should be changed....You also have such guys in USA ,and making any kind of shirt with Hitler's picture is not best idea


Only Thing I disagree with is the "Germany" and German people part. It was the Nazi regime and not the people of Germany IMHO.

Look at us here in the USA. many didn't agree with the Bush administration's war on terrorism and how we have invaded other countries but we-the-people have no say in Government's actions. we just get to pay for it with our tax dollars.

MANY German people were against what was going on back then.

Carl

Tate
06-10-2009, 05:19 AM
I have had some full on t-shirts, i had one where one demon had his cock in this chicks ass another demon had his cock in the chicks mouth while the other was ripping out and eating her intestines, i had another t-shirt where someone had an m16 to an asian womans head with point blank written underneath, yet you cant get that logo printed LOL

przechuy
06-10-2009, 06:40 AM
Only Thing I disagree with is the "Germany" and German people part. It was the Nazi regime and not the people of Germany IMHO.

Look at us here in the USA. many didn't agree with the Bush administration's war on terrorism and how we have invaded other countries but we-the-people have no say in Government's actions. we just get to pay for it with our tax dollars.

MANY German people were against what was going on back then.

Carl


Not many enough,Hitler won in democratic voting etc,he didnt take it by force :) And his visions were commonly known ,he already published mein kampf etc by this time.

Or maybe you like to believe that there was one evil hitler that used magic and suddenly milions signed to his party ,supported him and went after him on war .

There were obviously heroic germans against hitler ,but it was almost invisible percentage


And what doest it mean "nazi regime"?nazi regime = germans during this period of time in history.They went after him because they were jobless,struck by crisis,and angry because of the way things gone after lost by germans WW I. On such basis grew hitler ,and people that decided to go after him.

Oh and btw my posts in any mean wasnt made in order to offend you,if i wrote anything to harsh then i am sorry,i am not a native english speaker.

przechuy
06-10-2009, 06:46 AM
I can add to my post that i suggest "Hitler-Rise of Evil" movie ,quite nice shows the situation in germany after wwI and mood there among society. It is less known movie,but has some good actors and shows nice historic approach without too many fairy tale.It is more biographic/historic study approach.Must see for history lovers.

Shows Hitler's young ages ,trying to be a painter/artist ,and by this time the situation in germany.And ends when Hitler is the main force in germany .It is focused on his way to be the chancelor.

triceptor
06-10-2009, 12:11 PM
Not many enough,Hitler won in democratic voting etc,he didnt take it by force :) And his visions were commonly known ,he already published mein kampf etc by this time.

Or maybe you like to believe that there was one evil hitler that used magic and suddenly milions signed to his party ,supported him and went after him on war .

There were obviously heroic germans against hitler ,but it was almost invisible percentage


And what doest it mean "nazi regime"?nazi regime = germans during this period of time in history.They went after him because they were jobless,struck by crisis,and angry because of the way things gone after lost by germans WW I. On such basis grew hitler ,and people that decided to go after him.

Oh and btw my posts in any mean wasnt made in order to offend you,if i wrote anything to harsh then i am sorry,i am not a native english speaker.

You are right about the mechanism of his following.. jobless, disenchanted, disenfranchised, bored, angry individuals. I read a book long ago titled "True Believers" that details the factors of mass movements and they looked at that in the book and you're spot on.

And no offense taken. I have made good friends in Germany from my Super Human Radio show and am sensitive to their feelings as well as my own.

Carl

triceptor
06-10-2009, 12:13 PM
I can add to my post that i suggest "Hitler-Rise of Evil" movie ,quite nice shows the situation in germany after wwI and mood there among society. It is less known movie,but has some good actors and shows nice historic approach without too many fairy tale.It is more biographic/historic study approach.Must see for history lovers.

Shows Hitler's young ages ,trying to be a painter/artist ,and by this time the situation in germany.And ends when Hitler is the main force in germany .It is focused on his way to be the chancelor.

I believe I saw a similar movie of not the exact one on The History Channel a couple years ago.

przechuy
06-10-2009, 01:21 PM
yeah,i think it was aired on history channel :)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=3572637

House M.D.
06-14-2009, 10:25 AM
Let the haters hate, Carl. I for one, being European, have no problem whatsoever with the Hitler-esque face in the logo. In fact, I think it's damn funny.

Succesfully dealing with the horrors of the past means being able to treat it with humor and a good grain of salt...!

Nicely put! ;)

House M.D.
06-14-2009, 10:28 AM
I dunno about that, Carl. No problems here.

That's true. Holland is like an island of freedom. ;)

jlgiller
06-14-2009, 10:32 AM
You need to get these shirts going. I want one before I leave for NY to visit my Jewish in-laws they will love it!

House M.D.
06-14-2009, 10:34 AM
You are right about the mechanism of his following.. jobless, disenchanted, disenfranchised, bored, angry individuals. I read a book long ago titled "True Believers" that details the factors of mass movements and they looked at that in the book and you're spot on.

And no offense taken. I have made good friends in Germany from my Super Human Radio show and am sensitive to their feelings as well as my own.

Carl

Cheers Carl, I was waiting for this discussion to start... :rolleyes:

Aaron Singerman
06-14-2009, 04:35 PM
To anyone who hasn't sent a pm, or called me/Carl: should we keep the logo or lose it! Our hotline is takiing messages!!

mg659er
06-14-2009, 05:24 PM
Get a new logo, its wack!

Larry C
06-14-2009, 05:40 PM
To anyone who hasn't sent a pm, or called me/Carl: should we keep the logo or lose it! Our hotline is takiing messages!!
I can see the point behind it, I say keep it.

LANCE ADAM
06-14-2009, 06:49 PM
new logo

Curt James
06-14-2009, 06:50 PM
To anyone who hasn't sent a pm, or called me/Carl: should we keep the logo or lose it! Our hotline is takiing messages!!

Lose the logo, Aaron.

See if this one flies (no pun) instead:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/images/headlines/091103/10175_512.jpg

:(

SpeedoGuido
06-14-2009, 11:54 PM
How about this logo?
http://cdn.nextsmallthings.com/coolchaser.com/thumb-13791719.jpg

SpeedoGuido
06-15-2009, 12:14 AM
Aaron, you can use this as your personal logo!

Curt James
06-15-2009, 12:34 AM
Aaron, you can use this as your personal logo!

I recognize that. It's SS for Sea Service, right?

SpeedoGuido
06-15-2009, 01:03 AM
OK, how's this for the new logo???!!!
Instead of T Shirts you can make arm bands!:eek:

Aaron Singerman
06-16-2009, 01:14 AM
Aaron, you can use this as your personal logo!

Oy Vey!

Aaron Singerman
06-16-2009, 01:17 AM
Keep the PMs, emails, and phone calls coming Guys! I've received many many PMs and emails, but not too many phone calls to the hotline... Call 206-350-7972 people! We will play your call on the radio show Thursday (unless you request that we don't)!

The decision will be announced Thursday!

Mr X
06-18-2009, 02:04 PM
Ide vote for keep the current logo.

I mean Carl you chose the logo cuz you're daughter made it for you and you thought
it would work well for OFF TOPIC.

Do YOU still like the logo, if the answer is yes keep it.all this heat will die down anyway.

Mr X
06-18-2009, 02:16 PM
I am not sensitive to these things, but I REALLY DON'T see the point in having Hitler's face as the "Off Topic" logo.

It looks fucking dumb and pointless.. Sorry Carl and Aaron, but it does! The show is controversial and edgy enough as it is.. you DON'T NEED shock factor gimmicks like Hitler's face for a logo!

eat shit and grow some balls.

partsRheavy
06-21-2009, 11:09 AM
First, I like the show. I'm old enough to remember when steroids were legal in this country and I think the law should go back to the way it was in the 1980s and before.

However, do a new logo. Drop anything that looks like Hitler. Too much explaining to do, too much sidetracking into the history of the Depression in Europe, WWII, the holocaust etc. etc. The show isn't a WWII show.

I sort of "get" the logo because years ago, we had a history class that was very boring and used worn-out very old textbooks. We hated this very dull teacher and those books. As a sort of graffiti, the kids from the previous year had drawn Hitler mustaches on some of the people in the history book, including people who had nothing to do with WWII.

But...that was years ago and it doesn't really make sense to everyone.

More along the theme of the show would be to make a logo that is more direct about speaking in favor of freedom. An image of someone actually standing up for their rights in an authoritarian society.

Graffiti on the Berlin wall might be an idea. That might be too subtle or mundane because graffiti is sort of everywhere now.

So, maybe try a pic of one of the protesters in Iran. Or the famous pic where the guy is standing up to the tanks in Tiananmen Square.

More people would understand something like that where the pic is of someone standing up against authority.

Larry C
06-21-2009, 01:01 PM
First, I like the show. I'm old enough to remember when steroids were legal in this country and I think the law should go back to the way it was in the 1980s and before.

However, do a new logo. Drop anything that looks like Hitler. Too much explaining to do, too much sidetracking into the history of the Depression in Europe, WWII, the holocaust etc. etc. The show isn't a WWII show.

I sort of "get" the logo because years ago, we had a history class that was very boring and used worn-out very old textbooks. We hated this very dull teacher and those books. As a sort of graffiti, the kids from the previous year had drawn Hitler mustaches on some of the people in the history book, including people who had nothing to do with WWII.

But...that was years ago and it doesn't really make sense to everyone.

More along the theme of the show would be to make a logo that is more direct about speaking in favor of freedom. An image of someone actually standing up for their rights in an authoritarian society.

Graffiti on the Berlin wall might be an idea. That might be too subtle or mundane because graffiti is sort of everywhere now.

So, maybe try a pic of one of the protesters in Iran. Or the famous pic where the guy is standing up to the tanks in Tiananmen Square.

More people would understand something like that where the pic is of someone standing up against authority.
Personally I think if they go for another logo that there should still be some humour used with the design. That photograph you mentioned though is one of the most important to ever be captured and will always inspire!

There might be an ownership issue but a brilliant choice!

Aaron Singerman
07-03-2009, 11:53 PM
Personally I think if they go for another logo that there should still be some humour used with the design. That photograph you mentioned though is one of the most important to ever be captured and will always inspire!

There might be an ownership issue but a brilliant choice!

I like the tanks... Carl?

vboissiere
07-04-2009, 01:16 AM
there was a Rage Against the Machine cover of a monk who had set himself on fire in protest.

Honestly though, rather than cave in, you should explain the brilliance of the original logo.