Peptides vs Aas

[ValentineA]

Hi.
Which one do you prefer? And why?

Peptides are like igf, hgh, ghrp, etc

Aas are like winny, anavar, nandrolone, test, tren, etc


For me : I prefer igf 1 lr3 (peptide), because it won't give me depression, acne, lose gains and strenght, disturb menstruation cycle, water retention, sex drive(when I was in aas it gave me a very good sex drive, I really enjoyed it,but when I stop using aas, it was came back to normal, and I really want to feel it again when I'm on aas cycle :p), joints lubricants(depends on what aas),
Well that's for me. Hope you want to share it here.

Thanks a lot !!

[bringingthehuge]

personally i like aas. more bang for your buck but both do the trick

[ValentineA]

Winstrol and test prop are hurt injection :(. Is there any the not pain version?

[sassy69]

Winstrol and test prop are hurt injection :(. Is there any the not pain version?

You can get winstrol in pill form, or, in fact, you can drink winstrol because it is water-based. You CANNOT do that w/ prop as it is oil-based. There is also no pill form of prop.

[Tatyana]

Hi.
Which one do you prefer? And why?

Peptides are like igf, hgh, ghrp, etc

Aas are like winny, anavar, nandrolone, test, tren, etc


For me : I prefer igf 1 lr3 (peptide), because it won't give me depression, acne, lose gains and strenght, disturb menstruation cycle, water retention, sex drive(when I was in aas it gave me a very good sex drive, I really enjoyed it,but when I stop using aas, it was came back to normal, and I really want to feel it again when I'm on aas cycle :p), joints lubricants(depends on what aas),
Well that's for me. Hope you want to share it here.

Thanks a lot !!

I think peptides are the way of the future, I am interested in some of the secretagogues for GH in relation to anti-aging therapy, so it would be a slightly different thing than physique enhancement.

[tammyp]

You can get winstrol in pill form, or, in fact, you can drink winstrol because it is water-based. You CANNOT do that w/ prop as it is oil-based. There is also no pill form of prop.

i hear oral winny in tab form is much harder on the system with greater sides.

[Sunshine]

I think peptides are the way of the future, I am interested in some of the secretagogues for GH in relation to anti-aging therapy, so it would be a slightly different thing than physique enhancement.

100% agreed. Very much curious about these.

[sassy69]

Just in the current state of things, AAS is going to be the generally more desired choice simply because of established knowledge / experience base as well as availability. Peptides are still relatively recent and I honestly don't know how reliable the UG sources are in terms of whatever they are providing.

[ValentineA]

Winstrol pill is liver toxic isn't it?

Did anyone ever tried prohormone? How's if its compare with aas?

[heavyiron]

aas are much more effective. anavar and nolva rock.

[sassy69]

Winstrol pill is liver toxic isn't it?

Did anyone ever tried prohormone? How's if its compare with aas?

Winstrol is a 17aa AAS, which means it has some liver toxicity. This is why guys are not recommended to do an all-orals cycle because of the dose they need. And when they do use orals, it is for short periods like 4-6 weeks. Women use very small amounts, and it can be supplemented w/ a good liver support like Tyler's Liver Detox or Liv 52.

Prohormones are scarier because they are not regulated by the FDA, but are generally intended to be over-the-counter suplements. As such they often have all sorts of other things in them to make them sound like they are better, but tend to be very harsh in general. AAS, at least is exactly the compound that it is - e.g. winstrol, anavar, prop, whatever. Its not a bunch of other stuff mixed to make it sound better in the marketing materials.

This does raise a good thread topic - what is a 17aa AAS and why is it "different"?

[ValentineA]

Winstrol is a 17aa AAS, which means it has some liver toxicity. This is why guys are not recommended to do an all-orals cycle because of the dose they need. And when they do use orals, it is for short periods like 4-6 weeks. Women use very small amounts, and it can be supplemented w/ a good liver support like Tyler's Liver Detox or Liv 52.

Prohormones are scarier because they are not regulated by the FDA, but are generally intended to be over-the-counter suplements. As such they often have all sorts of other things in them to make them sound like they are better, but tend to be very harsh in general. AAS, at least is exactly the compound that it is - e.g. winstrol, anavar, prop, whatever. Its not a bunch of other stuff mixed to make it sound better in the marketing materials.

This does raise a good thread topic - what is a 17aa AAS and why is it "different"?

I totally agree with you!
But sometimes aas are legit or fake too.. ****** (editted by sassy69)

[sassy69]

I totally agree with you!
But sometimes aas are legit or fake too.. ****** (editted by sassy69)


Oh absolutely! AAS have their own set of issues. But generally the market is looking for the real thing, not something that has a bunch of stuff that works around the law to get it as an OTC supplement, and a bunch of other stuff thrown in to make it sound like its a 'better' product (e.g. something like a steroid-like prohormone that has an AI in it, along w/ some milk thistle, r-ala and a little herbal viagra to you can get big, avoid aromatization, protect your liver and keep an erection, all in one pill....)

[ValentineA]

Oh absolutely! AAS have their own set of issues. But generally the market is looking for the real thing, not something that has a bunch of stuff that works around the law to get it as an OTC supplement, and a bunch of other stuff thrown in to make it sound like its a 'better' product (e.g. something like a steroid-like prohormone that has an AI in it, along w/ some milk thistle, r-ala and a little herbal viagra to you can get big, avoid aromatization, protect your liver and keep an erection, all in one pill....)

Haha. I got what you mean! Prohormone, sometimes like all in one. LOL. How about peptides like igf 1 lr3? Do you have any experience with peptides?

[sassy69]

Haha. I got what you mean! Prohormone, sometimes like all in one. LOL. How about peptides like igf 1 lr3? Do you have any experience with peptides?

Broadly speaking, igf1 and other peptides are only recently available (on the UG market anyway), like say since the last 3-4 years. Obviously hGH has been around for years now in the BB industry, and also in the anti-aging arena. The rest of them, since they are so new, there's just really not that much anecodotal or otherwise experience to draw from.

[ValentineA]

Broadly speaking, igf1 and other peptides are only recently available (on the UG market anyway), like say since the last 3-4 years. Obviously hGH has been around for years now in the BB industry, and also in the anti-aging arena. The rest of them, since they are so new, there's just really not that much anecodotal or otherwise experience to draw from.

I will do winny with test e. Winny in oral and test e injection 50mg/week. Winny cycle just 4weeks. Added liver support too. Since I'm transgender female to male (virilization doesn't matter for me), I'm sorry if I'm trying to be very honest. What is the best dose for oral winny?

[Sistersteel]

The most pronounced morphing of facial features is a result of prolonged peptide use in excessive dosages.

ValentineA, what is your purpose for using AAS? Are you using for physique enhancement or to help you in your transition? Reason I ask is I've noticed your test dosages to be too low for transgender hormonal management.

SS

[ValentineA]

The most pronounced morphing of facial features is a result of prolonged peptide use in excessive dosages.

ValentineA, what is your purpose for using AAS? Are you using for physique enhancement or to help you in your transition? Reason I ask is I've noticed your test dosages to be too low for transgender hormonal management.

SS

My purpose is to gain muscle,lower body fat too. Well, I don't go to hormon replacement theraphy since I know beside of my purpose, run some aas will give me virilization,masculine. Do you have any recommend dosage with winny and test e? Thanks :)

[Sistersteel]

My purpose is to gain muscle,lower body fat too. Well, I don't go to hormon replacement theraphy since I know beside of my purpose, run some aas will give me virilization,masculine. Do you have any recommend dosage with winny and test e? Thanks :)


I cannot make such a recommendation. However, I do think you need to have your transition monitored by a physician. Its for your own safety.

[ValentineA]

Originally Posted by ValentineA ?

My purpose is to gain muscle,lower body fat too. Well, I don't go to hormon replacement theraphy since I know beside of my purpose, run some aas will give me virilization,masculine. Do you have any recommend dosage with winny and test e? Thanks ?



I cannot make such a recommendation. However, I do think you need to have your transition monitored by a physician. Its for your own safety.

I don't use aas for transition as I told you. My purpose is to gain muscles

[Sistersteel]

Well, I don't go to hormon replacement theraphy since I know beside of my purpose, run some aas will give me virilization,masculine.

I don't use aas for transition as I told you. My purpose is to gain muscles

You are contradicting yourself my friend. You are using AAS to indirectly assist you with your transition. That is not a safe approach so I simply suggested you seek professional assistance.

[ValentineA]

You are contradicting yourself my friend. You are using AAS to indirectly assist you with your transition. That is not a safe approach so I simply suggested you seek professional assistance.

as long as I follow a common female dosage of aas I guess it won't be a problem. Well,thanks

[Sistersteel]

as long as I follow a common female dosage of aas I guess it won't be a problem. Well,thanks


True. But common female dosages are not supposed to produce any masculinization. The advice we give on these forums is intended to minimize the possibility of any unwanted side effects from arising. You had stated virilization was not a concern for you.

I am not trying to be difficult, but since you mentioned your desire to transition, it is important that you not assume that self medicating through hormonal administration is the right way of going about doing that safely.

[ValentineA]

True. But common female dosages are not supposed to produce any masculinization. The advice we give on these forums is intended to minimize the possibility of any unwanted side effects from arising. You had stated virilization was not a concern for you.

I am not trying to be difficult, but since you mentioned your desire to transition, it is important that you not assume that self medicating through hormonal administration is the right way of going about doing that safely.

Ok. Ill follow dosage for common female and see how its goin. My purpose are to gain muscle and lower bodyfat.

[Sistersteel]

Sounds great! Glad we could help :)

[ValentineA]

Sounds great! Glad we could help :)

Yeah. I love this forum. Many knowledgeable and open minded people. I will post my log in here.. But not now, I'm still in igf 1 lr3 cycle

Thanks :)

[Sistersteel]

Yeah. I love this forum. Many knowledgeable and open minded people. I will post my log in here.. But not now, I'm still in igf 1 lr3 cycle

Thanks :)

Maybe you can post a training/diet log then. Would love to follow that.

[Tatyana]

The most pronounced morphing of facial features is a result of prolonged peptide use in excessive dosages.

ValentineA, what is your purpose for using AAS? Are you using for physique enhancement or to help you in your transition? Reason I ask is I've noticed your test dosages to be too low for transgender hormonal management.

SS

I have done a wee bit of research regarding GH secretagogues lately, and I wonder if the facial morphing would occur at the anti-aging dose recommended, which is something like 100 micrograms/week.

I have heard of people taking much larger doses than this, I wonder if this is when there are issues.

[ValentineA]

Well, I would love log my diet and trainning in here sistersteel :) I really serious in trainning and diet. I'm endo typical :(

Igf 1 lr3, I run it from june 4th, I do just pwo injection 40mcg bi-lat(if bicep, left 20mcg right 20mcg) on the last train muscles. My trainning is 3 times/week. I don't go above 40mcg, I'm scared my intestines grows too much..

So far I see that igf 1 lr3 changes my genetic, I feel my chest looks different than before.

[Sistersteel]

Well, I would love log my diet and trainning in here sistersteel :) I really serious in trainning and diet. I'm endo typical :(

Igf 1 lr3, I run it from june 4th, I do just pwo injection 40mcg bi-lat(if bicep, left 20mcg right 20mcg) on the last train muscles. My trainning is 3 times/week. I don't go above 40mcg, I'm scared my intestines grows too much..

So far I see that igf 1 lr3 changes my genetic, I feel my chest looks different than before.


4 weeks on 4 weeks off IGF is a good regimen. IGF site injection can cause localized growth. Have you been documenting your measurements to see if you've added any size to those areas?

[ValentineA]

I have done a wee bit of research regarding GH secretagogues lately, and I wonder if the facial morphing would occur at the anti-aging dose recommended, which is something like 100 micrograms/week.

I have heard of people taking much larger doses than this, I wonder if this is when there are issues.

Yes I guess so. I've read dave palumbo Q & A in here. He said that if HGH uses for fat loss, just need 1-2iu injection/day or It will give facial growth

[Sistersteel]

Yes I guess so. I've read dave palumbo Q & A in here. He said that if HGH uses for fat loss, just need 1-2iu injection/day or It will give facial growth

I would even follow an every other day shot regimen. 2IUs eod is all you need and will yield decent results. Some prefer running GH 5 days on 2 days off...imagine the money you would save.

I am not a fan of peptides at all honestly.

[ValentineA]

4 weeks on 4 weeks off IGF is a good regimen. IGF site injection can cause localized growth. Have you been documenting your measurements to see if you've added any size to those areas?

I never measure it :( it gives me vein appear,which I've never seen than vein before I use igf 1 lr3 although it is a smooth vein,not a big vein. I've read about,somebody who inject igf will feel the effect months later. Yes I'm running 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Is It ok if run for 1 year?

[Sistersteel]

I never measure it :( it gives me vein appear,which I've never seen than vein before I use igf 1 lr3 although it is a smooth vein,not a big vein. I've read about,somebody who inject igf will feel the effect months later. Yes I'm running 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Is It ok if run for 1 year?

If you are following a 4 weeks on/4 off protocol then you basically spend 6 months a year running IGF. Many people run many IGF cycles throughout the course of a year successfully. If you would like to run it often I would do 4 on/6-8 off.

[ValentineA]

I would even follow an every other day shot regimen. 2IUs eod is all you need and will yield decent results. Some prefer running GH 5 days on 2 days off...imagine the money you would save.

I am not a fan of peptides at all honestly.

I will remember this. But I never run hgh, igf is my 1st time peptide.

You don't have to like peptide because it seems your genetic is already good. LOL.

I've ran tren xtreme, that's gave me really bad sides, bloating too much, increase estrogen a lot, etc, my bad with ph. O M G

[Sistersteel]

I will remember this. But I never run hgh, igf is my 1st time peptide.

You don't have to like peptide because it seems your genetic is already good. LOL.

I've ran tren xtreme, that's gave me really bad sides, bloating too much, increase estrogen a lot, etc, my bad with ph. O M G


Prohormones are useless indeed.

[ValentineA]

If you are following a 4 weeks on/4 off protocol then you basically spend 6 months a year running IGF. Many people run many IGF cycles throughout the course of a year successfully. If you would like to run it often I would do 4 on/6-8 off.

So, do 4 weeks on, 8 weeks off a year is fine?

[Sistersteel]

So, do 4 weeks on, 8 weeks off a year is fine?

That is correct.

[ValentineA]

Prohormones are useless indeed.

It gave me more side effect than anabolic. Hope it won't happen when I'm in aas cycle. Because so far I did ph cycles. I know for sure,it gives different effect in each person. Everybody is different.

[Lee Penman]

having consulted with Sister Steel I feel that your approach to gender re-assignment via self administering hormones/pro-hormones is not the way to go. If you are serious about this issue you have to seek real medical advice and psychiatriic analysis.

[ValentineA]

Now my purpose are gain muscles and lower bodyfat. From the beginning I talk about "IF" virilization occurs while I'm on cycle I will continue the cycle because virilization doesn't matter for me, and I know female stop the cycle or reduce the dose if virilization occurs, and I won't. I never said I use aas for transition.