Opinion: Who beats Brock?

[Plates]

In the UFC, who has the best chance of beating Brock? There are too many Fedor threads going on right now, and Fedor is not even in the mix. So who do you think and why?

My pick:Gabe Gonzaga

Why: I watched the fight with Randy and Brock a few times. And now with this last fight with Mir, I noticed that Brock does not like to get hit back. When Mir kneed Brock in the face, you could tell it really stunned him.
When Gonzaga fought Carwin, he almost knocked him out. As a matter of fact, he had Carwin really fucked up and very quickly in the fight. He made a huge mistake and let his hands down, and obviously paid the price for it. I think Gabe has the wrestling skills, the jitz skills, and the striking skills to put Lesnar to sleep. Yes, call me crazy, but i'm standing by Gonzaga on this.

[Mike the Ripper]

Who’s afraid of big, bad Brock? Not Carwin
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
Jul 13, 11:22 pm EDT

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Lesnar apologizes
Maybe it was because, at 6-foot-3, 263 pounds, Shane Carwin is nearly the same size as, and actually has bigger meat hooks than, Brock Lesnar.

Maybe it was just a savvy promotional move for Carwin, an unbeaten, top contender for Lesnar’s Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight belt.

Or maybe the “Colossus from Colorado” really was so outraged at Lesnar’s antics at UFC 100 he couldn’t contain himself.

Whatever it was, Carwin pulled no punches on his personal blog, hammering Lesnar for taunting a fallen opponent, tossing middle fingers at the Mandalay Bay Events Center crowd in Las Vegas and acting like anything but a respectful champion Saturday. After a stern talking to by UFC president Dana White, Lesnar apologized for his actions. Carwin was apparently unmoved (he didn’t return a message seeking comment).

“The flipping off of the fans that just lined your pocket with millions of dollars is just LAME,” Carwin wrote. “He may be a champion but he has a long ways to go before he earns the respect of a champion.”

It got better, with the old school Carwin, who sports an 11-0 record, lecturing Lesnar like he was a little boy.

“The fans are why we do this Brock, this sport is not about fat paychecks and drama. It is about hard work and sacrifice for a shot to do what you did [Saturday] night. It doesn’t matter how much money you make if you can’t earn your peers respect and the respect and love of the greatest sporting fans in the world.

“Every autograph I give, every hand I shake I am thankful that you give me the opportunity to be a part of your world. This is the greatest sport in the world and most of the athletes in it deserve the love and respect they get and some just don’t get it.”

The mechanical engineer wasn’t done yet. Next up, a shot at Lesnar’s pro wrestling background.

“We have no scripts in this sport, no pre-determined earning amount and no pre-determined outcomes. It doesn’t matter if you win or lose; it matters how you win or lose.”

And to think Lesnar couldn’t deal with Frank Mir making fun of his jiu-jitsu defense (which was once, admittedly, weak). This alone will fuel him through a long Minnesota winter of training. And who knows what else Carwin has in him?

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Carwin takes on Cain Velasquez (6-0) in October at UFC 104 in Los Angeles. The winner gets a shot at Lesnar for the title, White has announced.

If it’s Carwin (no small feat against the excellent Velasquez) then this wouldn’t just be an intriguing fight, but suddenly a personal one. Carwin, like Lesnar, is a former collegiate wrestling champion. They’re about the same size; although Carwin’s massive 5-XL gloves are actually two sizes larger than Lesnar’s. It’s one reason none of Carwin’s opponents have lasted past the middle of the first round.

Which is good because the indomitable way Lesnar has looked of late, it’s going to take a special mix of size, speed and skill to challenge him. And he’s only getting better.

Carwin doesn’t sound concerned. Not about Lesnar and not about rattling his cage. His rip job will be appreciated in traditional mixed martial arts, where discipline and respect for an opponent is still paramount.

Since arriving from pro wrestling, Lesnar has expressed little concern for such things. That’s his right and it’ll earn him plenty of supporters who love every second of it. If he wants to sneer and snarl, if he wants postfight interviews complete with sponsor bashing, cheesy histrionics and juvenile statements, there’s only one way to stop him.

“From leaving the venue all the way to the airport I have had fans of the sport ask me to take out Brock Lesnar for them,” Carwin wrote.

The UFC will focus on pursuing the world’s No. 1 heavyweight, Fedor Emelianenko (30-1), who is approaching his final contracted fight with the UFC’s rival promotion, Affliction. That takes place Aug. 1 in Anaheim, Calif.

“We’ll end up getting that deal done and then we’ll do Brock vs. Fedor and we’ll do a huge fight,” White said.

Time will tell on that. In the interim, a contender is waiting to earn his shot and then possibly take the trash talk to a whole new level. That’s what Brock Lesnar has brought to the UFC, visceral reactions all around.

Some loathe him. Some love him. Everyone wants to see what happens next, a string of big pay-per-view cards almost all but assured.

Now here comes a sizeable challenger, issuing preemptive blog posts and lectures to the champion on sportsmanship, humility and class.

Shane Carwin is itching for a fight. You can rest assured, after this, Big Brock will be too.

[bionic redneck]

no way velasquez... carwin maybe.. best chance fedor..

[Mirko Cro Cop]

I wouldn't mind seeing Cro Cop given a shot at Lesnar. I still think Mirko has one left high kick left in him.

[dublin-lifter]

yea i think carwin aswell

[BigJD69]

I think no one beats him now!

[G-Roy]

possible publicity stunt of his own (carwin) to look like the white knight of the sport and capitalize on lesnars disrespect?

[tornquad2]

fedor,carwin,jeff monson god back in the day pedro rizzo would have destroyed him with leg kicks if frank kept it standing he could have won

[dublin-lifter]

fedor,carwin,jeff monson god back in the day pedro rizzo would have destroyed him with leg kicks if frank kept it standing he could have won


if mir kept standing he would have won this is one of the most retarded things about brock considering he has 2 shovels for fists his best punch is a hammer fists like wtf

also there is nothing wrong with carwin trying to be the white knight of the sport or division considering brocks talentless performance and unprofessional attiude in his post fight interview

[G-Roy]

if mir kept standing he would have won this is one of the most retarded things about brock considering he has 2 shovels for fists his best punch is a hammer fists like wtf

also there is nothing wrong with carwin trying to be the white knight of the sport or division considering brocks talentless performance and unprofessional attiude in his post fight interview

If lesnars performance was talentless, what does that make Mir's?

My point was perhaps Carwin doesnt really care as much as he lets on, it just makes him look like the good guy and gets him some press. I think anyone who says its "not about the money," is a liar.

[dublin-lifter]

If lesnars performance was talentless, what does that make Mir's?

My point was perhaps Carwin doesnt really care as much as he lets on, it just makes him look like the good guy and gets him some press. I think anyone who says its "not about the money," is a liar.

he is 275+ pounds and just lies on top of somebody and hits hammer fists anyone his size can do that he should be tryin to stand up and box if he learned how to punch properly he could have a savage knockout punch thats why i think he is talentless

maybe is carwin is just putting it on to hype himself a bit or maybe he got a bit annoyed at him givin the fans the finger im sure he is not the only fighter that think thats a bit of a dick thing to do

[G-Roy]

he is 275+ pounds and just lies on top of somebody and hits hammer fists anyone his size can do that he should be tryin to stand up and box if he learned how to punch properly he could have a savage knockout punch thats why i think he is talentless

maybe is carwin is just putting it on to hype himself a bit or maybe he got a bit annoyed at him givin the fans the finger im sure he is not the only fighter that think thats a bit of a dick thing to do

I guess in my mind it boils down to the fact that lesner won. whether or not he is the most talented doesnt matter if he wins.

Maybe Mike Miller could fight him someday haha.

[sorel_c]

Fedor WOULD take him out

[Plates]

Here we go with the Fedor thing again. lmao! IN THE UFC, WHO HAS THE BEST CHANCE! lol...

[rinse]

he is 275+ pounds and just lies on top of somebody and hits hammer fists anyone his size can do that he should be tryin to stand up and box if he learned how to punch properly he could have a savage knockout punch thats why i think he is talentless

maybe is carwin is just putting it on to hype himself a bit or maybe he got a bit annoyed at him givin the fans the finger im sure he is not the only fighter that think thats a bit of a dick thing to do

Well it's not ice skating it's fighting. I don't care if it looks pretty or not. The champ is the champ till someone beats him. Brock is better than Mir. He proved that this past saturday. He controlled Mir on the ground that's the reason he won.

[exit2010]

My vote is for Carwin.

[Roots]

I'm going with Mr. "Brown Pride" Cain Velasquez.

[dublin-lifter]

I'm going with Mr. "Brown Pride" Cain Velasquez.

i dont think he is ready just yet even he said after the kongo fight that he felt he should have finished it and wanted more time before a title shot

[dublin-lifter]

Well it's not ice skating it's fighting. I don't care if it looks pretty or not. The champ is the champ till someone beats him. Brock is better than Mir. He proved that this past saturday. He controlled Mir on the ground that's the reason he won.


ok then its called mixed martial arts then can you please tell what martial art involves lying on sumone and only been able to do hammer fists
ill agree that the champ is the champ he won fair and square but he is a shit champ
just my 2 cents

[Plates]

btw: Brock would beat Crocop senseless. Would look just like the Mirr fight

[Mr X]

Right now in the UFC theres no one that can beat Brock and thats a problem.

But I guess they will put Carwin up against him I mean who else is there, Valasquez is too small and doesn't have the power needed.

The thing is Dana knows that until Brock fights Fedor , everyone knows hes number 2.

[rinse]

ok then its called mixed martial arts then can you please tell what martial art involves lying on sumone and only been able to do hammer fists
ill agree that the champ is the champ he won fair and square but he is a shit champ
just my 2 cents

If Brock can beat Mir with only one move doesn't that make him pretty great? It's called mixed martial arts because you can use what ever style you want. The best fighter wins. Read the rules, Brock followed them and he won so stop complaining like a little bitch.

[Mr X]

ok then its called mixed martial arts then can you please tell what martial art involves lying on sumone and only been able to do hammer fists
ill agree that the champ is the champ he won fair and square but he is a shit champ
just my 2 cents

Its called ground and pound..Brock took down Mir and beat the shit outa him, what the fucks your issue with that?

[G-Roy]

ok then its called mixed martial arts then can you please tell what martial art involves lying on sumone and only been able to do hammer fists
ill agree that the champ is the champ he won fair and square but he is a shit champ
just my 2 cents

Sounds like you would have more fun watching a jiu jitsu tourney than a UFC fight. I would much rather have the ability to man handle someone and knock them senseless than twist a knee is I can get you in position. Was liddel a crappy champ? Not much martial arts going on there just nasty punches.

[Plates]

Sounds like you would have more fun watching a jiu jitsu tourney than a UFC fight. I would much rather have the ability to man handle someone and knock them senseless than twist a knee is I can get you in position. Was liddel a crappy champ? Not much martial arts going on there just nasty punches.

Great point. Not to mention, was Randy a crappy champion? When was the last time you seen Randy throw up a gogo or triangle?

[dublin-lifter]

Sounds like you would have more fun watching a jiu jitsu tourney than a UFC fight. I would much rather have the ability to man handle someone and knock them senseless than twist a knee is I can get you in position. Was liddel a crappy champ? Not much martial arts going on there just nasty punches.

TRUE TRUE but i like liddel lol

[heavies]

Valasquez is too small and doesn't have the power needed my thoughts exactly..... while Valasquez is a hard worker, he has no K.O. power his last fight spoke of that.....

[dublin-lifter]

Its called ground and pound..Brock took down Mir and beat the shit outa him, what the fucks your issue with that?

look id just like to see him stand up more and all he does on the ground is them stupid hammer fists
and a ground game generally involves a bit more then hammer fists i know he is just playin to his strengths by lyin his big heavy ass on top of some one but i just find it annoying when he could do so much more than that

[dublin-lifter]

my thoughts exactly..... while Valasquez is a hard worker, he has no K.O. power his last fight spoke of that.....

he even said that himself in his post fight interview at least he knows he has to work on it

[freak]

i'd beat the shit out of brock, he aint nothin

[Mr X]

look id just like to see him stand up more and all he does on the ground is them stupid hammer fists
and a ground game generally involves a bit more then hammer fists i know he is just playin to his strengths by lyin his big heavy ass on top of some one but i just find it annoying when he could do so much more than that

he didn't use any hammer fists on that chubby bastard Mir, Just solid blows to his puffy face. It was great to watch.

[rinse]

look id just like to see him stand up more and all he does on the ground is them stupid hammer fists
and a ground game generally involves a bit more then hammer fists i know he is just playin to his strengths by lyin his big heavy ass on top of some one but i just find it annoying when he could do so much more than that

Brock actually controlled Mirs arms/hands to be able to beat the shit out of him. He didn't just lay flat on him and punched him in the face.

[Plates]

The fact of the matter is Mir is way fucking over rated. Brandon Vera kicked the shit out of him, and Vera is a better light heavy. Lets look at the numbers here.....

Loss Brock Lesnar (http://www.ufc.com/BrockLesnar)
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (http://www.ufc.com/AntonioRodrigoNogueira)
Win Brock Lesnar (http://www.ufc.com/BrockLesnar)
Win Antoni Hardonk (http://www.ufc.com/AntoniHardonk)
Loss Brandon Vera (http://www.ufc.com/BrandonVera)
Win Dan Christison
Loss Marcio Cruz
Win Tim Sylvia
Win Wes Sims
Win Wes Sims
Win Tank Abbott
Loss Ian Freeman
Win Pete Williams
Win Roberto Traven

Other than Nogera, who in my opinion is too slow to compete at a top level anymore, who has Mir fought? Mir sucks, and will continue to get pounded out repeatedly.

[heavies]

he even said that himself in his post fight interview at least he knows he has to work on it



it is hard to train K.O. power, some guys have it some don't, Valasquez just isn't a power puncher, he can trian it, but he just isn't it.........don't get me wrong the boy is tough, but he don't throw bombs........

[heavies]

he didn't use any hammer fists on that chubby bastard Mir, Just solid blows to his puffy face. It was great to watch.


agreed

[heavies]

The fact of the matter is Mir is way fucking over rated. Brandon Vera kicked the shit out of him, and Vera is a better light heavy. Lets look at the numbers here.....

Loss Brock Lesnar (http://www.ufc.com/BrockLesnar)
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (http://www.ufc.com/AntonioRodrigoNogueira)
Win Brock Lesnar (http://www.ufc.com/BrockLesnar)
Win Antoni Hardonk (http://www.ufc.com/AntoniHardonk)
Loss Brandon Vera (http://www.ufc.com/BrandonVera)
Win Dan Christison
Loss Marcio Cruz
Win Tim Sylvia
Win Wes Sims
Win Wes Sims
Win Tank Abbott
Loss Ian Freeman
Win Pete Williams
Win Roberto Traven

Other than Nogera, who in my opinion is too slow to compete at a top level anymore, who has Mir fought? Mir sucks, and will continue to get pounded out repeatedly.

absolutely.....

[Sensei]

Best fighter in the UFC with a chance to beat him is Shane Carwin cuz he can match his wrestling & strength so hopefully that woud cancel each other out & they would stand & trade. Outside the ufc fedor has the best chance because of his power & technique