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Tatyana
07-20-2009, 06:36 PM
I used to find it quite amusing and a compliment that people always assume that if you have any amount of muscle, you must be taking steroids.

Lately, it has really been annoying me.

It isn't that I even have an issue with steroid use (abuse does concern me), my boyfriend uses and I find the whole pharmacology/endocrinology/physiology of steroids fascinating.

Does anyone else get fed up with the constant comments that you have to take drugs to put on muscle and get really lean?

4evermuscle
07-20-2009, 07:10 PM
Does anyone else get fed up with the constant comments that you have to take drugs to put on muscle and get really lean?

No, because it's true.

Tatyana
07-20-2009, 07:21 PM
No, because it's true.

So you don't think that anyone is natural?

Do you agree that there are natural variations in intelligence, attractiveness, hand-eye coordination, etc?

Mirko Cro Cop
07-20-2009, 07:24 PM
I hate how alot of people say things like "it's all drugs" and "if I was on the same stuff as him i'd be his size too". This pisses me off so much as even though I am not on steroids or any other performance enhancer, I do argue for them, think they should be legal and be given a much better time by the public.

I do also plan to start using them when I turn 21.

4evermuscle
07-20-2009, 07:26 PM
So you don't think that anyone is natural?


Oh, plenty people are natural. They just don't look good.


Do you agree that there are natural variations in intelligence, attractiveness, hand-eye coordination, etc?

Yes.

Mongdog
07-20-2009, 07:28 PM
I have seen some amazing naturals. I know one from my old neighborhood. The kid likes to be jacked but will not compete.... Anyway, although I am not natural, I feel that people will assume that anyone who is working hard for an impressive physique, is using drugs to do it. "You can't get a physique like that, naturally"

Tatyana
07-20-2009, 07:33 PM
I really wonder if all of the direct advertising of pharma drugs to the public in the US, as well as the current war on steroids has had an impact on the culture and given rise to this line of thinking.

Tatyana
07-20-2009, 07:36 PM
Oh, plenty people are natural. They just don't look good.



I suppose that depends on what you think looks good with regards to physique.

I think that there are quite a few people that would be quite massive and look great, but they just don't lift weights.

You have brought up the issue that I am referring to in this thread, as soon as someone looks good, people automatically think 'drugs'.

Mongdog
07-20-2009, 07:36 PM
I really wonder if all of the direct advertising of pharma drugs to the public in the US, as well as the current war on steroids has had an impact on the culture and given rise to this line of thinking.
I believe it does. Have you seen any of the anti steroid bilboards? "F*ilure, use steroids, become one"

Afrowijjy
07-20-2009, 07:38 PM
The BOLD FACT is drugs do get you to a certain level that you wouldnt normally reach naturally,that's a fact that cant be argued with however it also takes a strict workout regime, correct and precise nutrition to achieve the results that most bodybuilders have gained and thats what most uneducated people dont know and since they have done a biology class where they were taught about steroids they think thats all that is going on.hence why they assume freakish muscle is solely dependent on drugs!

Tatyana
07-20-2009, 07:43 PM
I believe it does. Have you seen any of the anti steroid bilboards? "F*ilure, use steroids, become one"

I don't live in the US, but I have noticed a certain mind set or attitude that people think you have to take drugs in order to obtain the body you want.

I can understand this in people who want to compete in most BBing federations or live the BBing lifestyle, but this is also becoming more prevalent in people who just want to lose a bit of fat and put on a little bit of muscle.

Afrowijjy
07-20-2009, 07:51 PM
these people who just want to lose a bit of fat have probably previously tried to but have failed because of for example they couldnt be arsed to apply the effort needed and with drugs such as alli that makes claims such as "For every 2 lb (1 kg) you lose from your own efforts, with alli you can lose 1 lb (1/2 kg) more." and so why wouldnt you use it?however i believe this product is only on prescription however the common popular belief is drugs can make you get to where you want faster with less effort!and in alli's case it is proven since instead of you spending another ten minutes on the tread mill just pop a pill and you lose that extra pound easy enough and you save ten minutes that you could use to rant on forums such as rxmuscle :)

will-work4andro
07-20-2009, 08:12 PM
I suppose that depends on what you think looks good with regards to physique.

I think that there are quite a few people that would be quite massive and look great, but they just don't lift weights.

You have brought up the issue that I am referring to in this thread, as soon as someone looks good, people automatically think 'drugs'.

yeah it sucks...but that's just the nature of people in general...if they believe they can't achieve it themselves they don't think you can either. and to the person who says no natural looks good...i completely disagree with that...i've seen plenty of naturals that look flat out amazing...natural bodybuilding is improving every single year...not to mention, natural bodybuilders tend to actually show up to shows in great conditioning...that's definitely not always the case at NPC shows.

nutratroy
07-20-2009, 11:14 PM
Great Q?

G-Roy
07-21-2009, 10:55 AM
Because drugs play a large part in sports and performance. Drugs are a part of every sport and an average joe insnt goign to take the time to learn about natural bodybuilding vs the guys you see on the cover of a magazing that represent our sport. If Manny Ramirez was the ambassador for baseball we could assume all baseball players are on drugs, so when you see a line up of 10 mutants on the olympia stage you will assume anyone who looks remotely similar must be usuing something. Other sports tend to get a pass though, no one really cares about ramirez or A-Rod failing drug tests.

Also, lazy people tend to use it as an excuse as to why they are fat and unhealthy. If they "were only on drugs like us they would look good too." I dont let it get to me. If someone makes a drug comment I take it as a compliment because I must look decent if someone if accusing me of using.

MichaelWayne
07-21-2009, 11:02 AM
If you're male/female and want to be lean and fit looking....no need for drugs. If you want large/massive amounts of muscle, different story.

Also it depends on who is asking the question: Mr/Mrs Workout person who realizes how much ball-busting it takes or Joe-Six-Pack-Wannabe-Arm-Chair-Quarterback.

lilfella
07-26-2009, 11:07 PM
It is the society we live in, especially the U.S. The younger generations have grown up being instructed to take a drug to solve every problem. This is taught to us from an early age. For a sore throat take cough drops, headache take tylenol, etc. The viagra/ritalin/xanax/paxil trend we see today is a byproduct of this thinking. It is also why all these kids buy muscletech products!

JohnnyMuscles
07-26-2009, 11:16 PM
I don't consider myself to be that built just think of myself as a regular person being that I'm 6ft 215 but I get accused of doing steroids all the time. I guess compared to the average person I'm a lot bigger than they are. I used to be insulted by it, because when people say that they are implying somehow you didn't earn the body that you have, but now I'm flattered by it because if you accuse me of doing steroids then you must think that I look good and deep down are probably jealous of me. The reality is that in every gym there are tons of people on A LOT of steroids who don't even look like they are on steroids, I should know because I'm friends with a lot of them. They're always the ones that defend me to people lol. Most people are ignorant and stupid and assume that you can't get built without "cheating" somehow. Obviously the natural bodybuilders who are professionals, and win their shows get the most heat because they are truly the genetic elite and 99% of people could never look like that no matter how much stuff they put into their body. Anyway at the end of the day it doesn't bother me, you can't let what people say get to you its negative and a waste of time. :)

MacFlashGordon
07-31-2009, 01:41 AM
A 'look' is one thing. Performance is another. When you see some guys shifting ultra huge weights then you do tend to wonder what's going on. Maybe its a mental way to justify an inability to shift such heavy loads but seriously, if you slap a turbo on any engine it'll generate more 'umph'. That's my angle. Also some guys make ridiculous gains in short time frames. Sure there are diet & sleep components but seriously??? THAT much? I doubt it...I admit that in such circumstances I'm thinking that there's probably some extra special filling in the sandwiches at least.

MacFlashGordon
07-31-2009, 01:43 AM
Oh by the way Tatyana I share your fascination. Are you 100% drug free yourself?

tkatmommie
08-11-2009, 04:18 PM
I am 100% natural. For me i have been finding out that even in the natty world of competing there is less muscle and more stringy dieted looks among the women. I feel genetically blessed to be able to have a lo of muscle, and yet feedback has always ben to come in leaner etc. I look at the other women and think that they have more LIGAMENTS showing than muscle!! So what if my BF is a little higher, i have way more muscle than the next girl...and in bodybuildin all over the world, it is about the MUSCLE and symmetry o your overall look. hmmm. just a thought.

i used to be offended that others think i use drugs, but i have come to realize that as a female BB, I am in he highest percent of women who look the same way. Less than 10% of women have BB physiques ( whether they are figure, bikini BB fitness etc) and to the rest of the population, it is an oddity and can't be natural!! LOL! So in an OBESE world, fit athletes are looked upon as the ones in the wrong. What can you do? LOL

bigleemurali
08-13-2009, 12:02 PM
See drugs are dominant in each and every sport and that is a blunt truth. buy why bodybuilders always get accused?
Its plain simple, in all the other sport, you need lot of practice few days leading to the show and every common man can try to sport easily to an extent... But standing on the stage with some muscle and posing trunk is a tough job.

If you dont know how to make it then it is easy to blame it. That is what happening to the sport. Most of the common people do not know how to be disciplined to lead a bodybuilding life and they eat junk thrice a day and hit the gym and see no results. But when a bodybuilder eats 8 quality meals and builds muscle, they can not believe it and they start accusing him for drugs..

Its simple - if you cant get it easily, then you accuse the person getting it... Jealous they are

Tatyana
08-13-2009, 04:32 PM
Oh by the way Tatyana I share your fascination. Are you 100% drug free yourself?

Yes, I am 100% drug free. I am a life time natural.

NATURAL-1987
08-17-2009, 10:55 PM
I think that the main reason is that the general public is quick to profile people and we are one of the targets. I actually invested in a string back tank that says."No, I am not roids, but thanks for asking." so I stop getting stupid questions from people.(at least on the days I am wearing that shirt.)

anabolistic
08-18-2009, 05:33 PM
if they accuse you of using steroids, take it as a compliment. if your natural, this is the kind of comment you wanna to hear.

p.s.
08-18-2009, 06:48 PM
If AAS were all it took to develope a great physique then in my gym alone there would be some truely incredible physical specimens training there, but just the opposite is true. Sure there are a couple of guys with decent physiques, but generally there are loads of guys using AAS and look like they hardly train, but then maybe that's the biggest problem most guys/gals hardly put any effort into their training and as such blame their less than great physiques on the fact that they are natty or that their "gear" is bunk. All in all though if most people put half the effort into training and eating as they do partying, clothes shopping, and just regular fiddle fucking around they would all look fairly decent, and the ones actually using AAS might even start to look like they train.

SonOfPluto
08-18-2009, 07:16 PM
I think a lot of the negative comments are simply rooted in jealousy and envy.

Jude2
08-18-2009, 10:14 PM
I think a lot of the negative comments are simply rooted in jealousy and envy.
I agree.

MsGuns
08-18-2009, 10:22 PM
I think a lot of the negative comments are simply rooted in jealousy and envy.
x2...

I.C.P.
08-19-2009, 12:18 AM
I think a lot of the negative comments are simply rooted in jealousy and envy.
This!!^^^^.Most people who accuse people of using are usually the ones who dont know what they are doing.So when they see someone who is bigger,they think that person had to take steroids.When in fact the person being accused knows how to train,eat,sleep,supp's and so on.The people who do the accusing are 95% of gym goers.

bigleemurali
08-19-2009, 06:15 AM
I think a lot of the negative comments are simply rooted in jealousy and envy.
oh yeah!!

JohnnyMuscles
08-20-2009, 11:17 PM
I am 100% natural. For me i have been finding out that even in the natty world of competing there is less muscle and more stringy dieted looks among the women. I feel genetically blessed to be able to have a lo of muscle, and yet feedback has always ben to come in leaner etc. I look at the other women and think that they have more LIGAMENTS showing than muscle!! So what if my BF is a little higher, i have way more muscle than the next girl...and in bodybuildin all over the world, it is about the MUSCLE and symmetry o your overall look. hmmm. just a thought.

i used to be offended that others think i use drugs, but i have come to realize that as a female BB, I am in he highest percent of women who look the same way. Less than 10% of women have BB physiques ( whether they are figure, bikini BB fitness etc) and to the rest of the population, it is an oddity and can't be natural!! LOL! So in an OBESE world, fit athletes are looked upon as the ones in the wrong. What can you do? LOL

You def have an amazing physique 99% of people would not be able to come anywhere close to the way you look naturally, I can def see why people would accuse you of being on steroids, I wouldn't take it personal like the people on here say they're just haters jealous insecure people who know that even in a 100 years they could never look like you. Much respect! :)

HammerStrength12
08-30-2009, 12:23 AM
It's because the average person is either lazy/ignorant or both. Ronnie Coleman (yes I know, not the most intellectual quote in the world!) that everyone wants to look like a bodybuilder, but noone wants to lift no heavy a$$ weights.

None of my friend's can relate to the fact that I get up at 6AM to go lift before work. Or that I actually eat healthy when we go out for food.. I've been asked if I use before. Never have, never will. I know people way bigger than me who have never used steroids, even natural test boosters(which I have).

I think it's definitely true that the average person COMES ACROSS as thinking that the only way to have muscles is to use/abuse anabolic steroids. But that's just a way to compensate for their insecurity with the way the look or the lack of discipline to actually go out and do something about it. I'm pretty sure that deep down inside most people who make comments like that know that working out hard and eating right are the 2 most important things for looking muscular/lean. But they rationalize the way they look by making silly comments like that. Because they WANT to look like you but don't want to admit they don't have the willpower to put in the diet and training.

Maybe I'm totally off here, but that's just my personal take on it. But I think that they people who were saying it all stems from jealousy were basically getting at the same point

Mr_Matt.
09-22-2009, 08:44 AM
Definatly agree with most the posts here steroids r just a way for people to justify why they dont you, its much easier to blame a drug than it is yourself!

bodyhard
09-27-2009, 03:04 PM
I used to find it quite amusing and a compliment that people always assume that if you have any amount of muscle, you must be taking steroids.

Lately, it has really been annoying me.

It isn't that I even have an issue with steroid use (abuse does concern me), my boyfriend uses and I find the whole pharmacology/endocrinology/physiology of steroids fascinating.

Does anyone else get fed up with the constant comments that you have to take drugs to put on muscle and get really lean?

The people who accused a natural bodybuilder/weightlifter of using roids are uneducated on the sport and on steroids themselves.

I am not a big guy by no means but I am constantly accused of being on, but when I am around people who are educated on the sport and everything that is affiliated with it would never even think I am on.

With that said it bothers me to no end when I am ask if I am on steroids by people who are uninformed.

Shariff Abel
09-27-2009, 03:09 PM
If you use drugs then u might be ahead of some people in size or muscle. so people will give u that eye thinking in ther mind this guy is on something . But most of the people get Jealous over you , so its all about Jealousy .

Cuss they cant get the edge like yours.

Yes its annoying when people are looking at u all the time just wear a big t-shirt don't show off too much . because then you will be sending them mind signals lollllllll./

AnglicanBeachParty
09-27-2009, 03:38 PM
I think a lot of the negative comments are simply rooted in jealousy and envy.

Definitely!

I believe most of these comments arise because the person making the comment has spent a month or two in the gym making what they think to be great efforts at adding muscle, and they didn't see any substantial improvements.

And their assumption is that if they tried it, and didn't get results, then anyone who does get results must have some unfair advantage. God forbid they ever consider that perhaps they were under-training by a few hundred percent, or eating like crap, or simply doing the wrong exercises or doing them incorrectly!

I believe that most people have not the first clue what level of effort it takes to be even marginally successful at bodybuilding.

AVBG
09-27-2009, 04:07 PM
I used to find it quite amusing and a compliment that people always assume that if you have any amount of muscle, you must be taking steroids.

Lately, it has really been annoying me.

It isn't that I even have an issue with steroid use (abuse does concern me), my boyfriend uses and I find the whole pharmacology/endocrinology/physiology of steroids fascinating.

Does anyone else get fed up with the constant comments that you have to take drugs to put on muscle and get really lean?

Totally agree with all points.. You just need to see pics of some users to realize that. Diet with consistent intense/progressive training play a significant part with how you look not forgetting genetics play a big part.

hulkish808
09-27-2009, 07:31 PM
It comes down to consistent hard work and dedication. I get touted at my gym as "I must be on something" to look the way I do mainly because I'm Asian-American and it's rare to see a Japanese bigger than most people at the gym.

I myself feel that I'm TINY compared to what I'm trying to achieve naturally. And I am realizing that most guy "friends" I've made @ UNLV are starting to stay away from me or talk to me in obvious 2-faced fashion. I picked up my first bodybuilding mag 8 years ago, while these kids only picked one up a year or two ago, go figure.

Who needs to be around these type of lazy, listless people? Train hard and keep those who support you near you and good things should happen ;)

JohnnyMuscles
09-27-2009, 08:21 PM
It comes down to consistent hard work and dedication. I get touted at my gym as "I must be on something" to look the way I do mainly because I'm Asian-American and it's rare to see a Japanese bigger than most people at the gym.

I myself feel that I'm TINY compared to what I'm trying to achieve naturally. And I am realizing that most guy "friends" I've made @ UNLV are starting to stay away from me or talk to me in obvious 2-faced fashion. I picked up my first bodybuilding mag 8 years ago, while these kids only picked one up a year or two ago, go figure.

Who needs to be around these type of lazy, listless people? Train hard and keep those who support you near you and good things should happen ;)

Ya I dunno man some of my Asian-American friends have great genes! My buddy benched 335 as a junior in high school and he was like 5ft 10 190 in high school. I hear what you're saying I look younger than I really am so a lot of people don't realize the time I have actually put into the gym, when I tell them my age they're like oh that makes sense lol. You're right stay around positive people for sure! :)

hulkish808
09-27-2009, 08:33 PM
I saw this kid at school, from S.Korea, with HUGE calves...and he only plays soccer O.O But I am in no means "strong," I just put in the effort in the gym and recover outside of it.

Bill Romanowski wrote a great message his book...that when he was in college, his friends were out partying, and he was training and got his needed rest...when college was over, he was the only one of his friends to make it to the NFL...I take that discipline seriously now seeing that partying will get you nowhere but a fat gut and a less than desirable girl.

Blakryno
11-25-2009, 09:44 PM
Gymrats, physique freaks, powerlifters, competitiors..whatever you are; we're not the main stream. We are a peculiar subgroup in a larger society that does NOT associate with what it is we do.. Start talking carb intake and cardio and supplements to the average person and see how they look at you. If this were the 1400's, we'd be burned as heretics.

Now do this as a "natural", I use quotes because if you use supps you're really not strictly natural so it's kinda a misnomer, and people sometimes simply can't perceive how we do it.

I started as a natty for my first show, hadda undergo HRT and then was foeced to get off of Dr. Perscribed gear by my job and wanted to start competeing again but I wouldn't dare compete in a natty orginization because I felt like that woulda been cheating although it's been 3 years since I've used ANY gear. So I get accused of being on gear all the time when I compete even though I'm not.

zero
11-26-2009, 10:04 AM
Hi ,just reading this great thread and can take a lot of whats being said.

Iam 46 years old
Live in Edinburgh Scotland
Started lifting March 09 until now
When started was 290lbs and a 40 inch waist
Now 245lbs and 34inch waist ,train 5 days a week and cycle my bike every day and eat clean no crap.

Here in Scotland i would say that most people view my weight loss / muscle gain as weird and have had a few say i must be taking drugs to lose gain in the length of time but its all down to heavy compound lifting with a good diet but most cant get their head round this escp just drinking water and milk only.


Cheers guys nice thread

Cressler
11-26-2009, 10:18 AM
The answer is very very easy:

"People can't do something themselves they wanna tell you: You can't do it"

Curt James
11-26-2009, 02:33 PM
Why do people always think it is the drugs?


because it's true.


So you don't think that anyone is natural?

Do you agree that there are natural variations in intelligence, attractiveness, hand-eye coordination, etc?

Why? A number of factors, I'm guessing. Stupidity is one, certainly. Laziness is another. And, yes, the probability that drugs do play a part in many - at least competitive - bodybuilder physiques.

That's beautiful pointing out "natural variations in intelligence, attractiveness, hand-eye coordination," but I strongly suspect it will be lost on quite a few due to the stupidity and laziness factor.

People are too dumb to see that muscularity/definition/size/shape are just as random as intelligence, beauty, and coordination. And if they're smart enough to recognize those parallels (I honestly never thought of that similarity) then they're too lazy to hit the gym with anything even remotely resembling dedication or drive and, unfortunately, assume the same of others.

"Oh, it's the drugs."

And, of course, drugs - I'm fairly certain :) - are out there and they're being used to assist in the creation of physiques in many cases.

That doesn't, of course, make it impossible that naturals exist. They do!

Justin-27
11-26-2009, 03:30 PM
Gotta love the "Hey bro, you on da juice?!" comments.
My avatar pic was taken at 6'3" 218, lifetime natural and I got accused all the time from guys at my gym. Mainly because I had been skinny and off weights for a bit then went into an insanely clean bulk. Think contest diet with 1500 extra calories....for 8 months. That is what it took, so while I did get a slight kick in people thinking I was not natural, it was a bit offensive. I always say, if I *actually* used, I would be 250+, not a little 218, come on now. :)

Justin-27
11-26-2009, 03:33 PM
The answer is very very easy:

"People can't do something themselves they wanna tell you: You can't do it"

Exactly correct.

bodimajestik
11-27-2009, 03:47 AM
Totally agree with all points.. You just need to see pics of some users to realize that. Diet with consistent intense/progressive training play a significant part with how you look not forgetting genetics play a big part.

Yeah...I have not been on gear till now. I have just managed to put on some lean muscle and has reduced my body fat in last 2 months by eating clean and first question I've been asked from my friends is that are you taking roids??

I am very confused about how to convince someone that you have done that naturally?? becz the guys who are on gear lie all the time that they don't take steroids and later on they admit, so people think that everybody is lying.....

However I am going to be on gear starting from Jan for the first time in my life, maybe then I won't feel bad.....

AminoAmigo
11-27-2009, 04:34 AM
^ that's right, people are lying to your face every day. most people lie at least a few times a day. but why are they doing that ? because there might be someone out there who can achieve the same without taking drugs OR they just don't want to be harassed because of their drug abuse ... some people may call it drug addiction.

think about it ... would people criticize you because of drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes ? most people won't care. but when you do roids you will usually look better and be stronger than most people ... it's hate caused by jealousy and insecurity.

bodimajestik
11-27-2009, 04:48 AM
^ that's right, people are lying to your face every day. most people lie at least a few times a day. but why are they doing that ? because there might be someone out there who can achieve the same without taking drugs OR they just don't want to be harassed because of their drug abuse ... some people may call it drug addiction.

think about it ... would people criticize you because of drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes ? most people won't care. but when you do roids you will usually look better and be stronger than most people ... it's hate caused by jealousy and insecurity.


Yeah right and I wonder why they call it cheating in bodybuilding!!!
I mean everyone has access to them, its not that only one guy is out there who is taking them and rest cannot.

Anyway I don't think you can achieve the physique you want to without them. I have achieved results naturally for sure but then again there comes a time when you cannot excel without them.

flaccid_member
11-27-2009, 07:37 AM
Yeah right and I wonder why they call it cheating in bodybuilding!!!
I mean everyone has access to them, its not that only one guy is out there who is taking them and rest cannot.

Anyway I don't think you can achieve the physique you want to without them. I have achieved results naturally for sure but then again there comes a time when you cannot excel without them.

Genetics, eating, sleeping, training and growing are still the roots of any natural and non-tested athlete. Period.

It's easy and convenient for both sides of the fence to say "It's drugs."

It's tough for most to accept that it is the lifestyle.

musclemilf
11-27-2009, 07:55 AM
Gymrats, physique freaks, powerlifters, competitiors..whatever you are; we're not the main stream. We are a peculiar subgroup in a larger society that does NOT associate with what it is we do.. Start talking carb intake and cardio and supplements to the average person and see how they look at you. If this were the 1400's, we'd be burned as heretics.

Now do this as a "natural", I use quotes because if you use supps you're really not strictly natural so it's kinda a misnomer, and people sometimes simply can't perceive how we do it.

I started as a natty for my first show, hadda undergo HRT and then was foeced to get off of Dr. Perscribed gear by my job and wanted to start competeing again but I wouldn't dare compete in a natty orginization because I felt like that woulda been cheating although it's been 3 years since I've used ANY gear. So I get accused of being on gear all the time when I compete even though I'm not.

SO TRUE!:yep:

AminoAmigo
11-27-2009, 08:46 AM
Yeah right and I wonder why they call it cheating in bodybuilding!!!
I mean everyone has access to them, its not that only one guy is out there who is taking them and rest cannot.


you're right, it's a decision that is made each on his/her own.

for me, if it's obvious who is natural and who isn't ( in a competition ) ... there is no cheating. naturals don't have to compete against non naturals and vice versa.

but if you try to convince people that you are "clean" and you are not ... i would consider that cheating.

genetics plays a big part in this sport. if there's someone who has ten times better genetics than me ... and if someone has a higher natural test level or has better work ethics than me ... would i blame him for cheating ?
it depends where you want to draw the line.

i don't call it cheating or "shortcutting" but i don't want to be compared to bodybuilders that use enhancements. it's quite simple.


Anyway I don't think you can achieve the physique you want to without them. I have achieved results naturally for sure but then again there comes a time when you cannot excel without them.

i wasn't about to say that you can achieve the same as a natty BUT there are surely some bodybuilders ( that use steroids ) that don't have their nutrition and training in check ( like they should ) and some guy in their gym looks better while being a natty.

bodimajestik
11-27-2009, 08:54 AM
you're right, it's a decision that is made each on his/her own.

for me, if it's obvious who is natural and who isn't ( in a competition ) ... there is no cheating. naturals don't have to compete against non naturals and vice versa.

but if you try to convince people that you are "clean" and you are not ... i would consider that cheating.

genetics plays a big part in this sport. if there's someone who has ten times better genetics than me ... and if someone has a higher natural test level or has better work ethics than me ... would i blame him for cheating ?
it depends where you want to draw the line.

i don't call it cheating or "shortcutting" but i don't want to be compared to bodybuilders that use enhancements. it's quite simple.



i wasn't about to say that you can achieve the same as a natty BUT there are surely some bodybuilders ( that use steroids ) that don't have their nutrition and training in check ( like they should ) and some guy in their gym looks better while being a natty.

I just want to say is that people who don't take roids, good for them, just stop criticizing the people who take it. Their body their choice.

Any given day, a guy who is on roids will look way better then the guy who is natural(here we assume both have the knowledge to train and nutrition).

RicanMuscle216
12-15-2009, 02:17 PM
I take steroid comments as compliments and if people wanna ask what I use or how much, I give them ridiculous amounts so they can give up hope or go home, order, and end up killing themselves. Oh well, I don't stress what other people say anymore. It gets annoying and people's opinions are often cemented. :dunno:

GENESIS
12-15-2009, 02:45 PM
I take steroid comments as compliments and if people wanna ask what I use or how much, I give them ridiculous amounts so they can give up hope or go home, order, and end up killing themselves. Oh well, I don't stress what other people say anymore. It gets annoying and people's opinions are often cemented. :dunno:

ha i do the same type of thing if im ever questioned. then i tell them "and my new inject area is my eyeball, i can see myself gromwing" after that they usually realize im pulling their chain.

*RedStar*
12-15-2009, 03:03 PM
Why do people always think it is the drugs?

very simple, its because people who are completely delusional and insecure like youngguns exist.

I'm sure I could have done a better job at explaining this in further detail, but if you know anything about YG and his judgmental attitude about AAS , well then you get the point I'm trying to make.

GENESIS
12-15-2009, 03:08 PM
Why do people always think it is the drugs?

very simple, its because people who are completely delusional and insecure like youngguns exist.

I'm sure I could have done a better job at explaining this in further detail, but if you know anything about YG and his judgmental attitude about AAS , well then you get the point I'm trying to make.


RX Muscle Forums <-- example of said delusions

*RedStar*
12-15-2009, 03:10 PM
thank you sir..

bodimajestik
12-15-2009, 03:23 PM
It sucks to be Natural honestly....So I am going to be on Gear from Jan.......enough playing the clean guy.....its a world of Power and evil.....don't try to be good or you'll be doomed....lol

Amazon Doll
12-15-2009, 03:44 PM
No, because it's true.

Sad, but mostly true.

I have been around BBing for over 30 years and get to know most of the people in various gyms all over the country for that many years and most of the big muscular men (and women) were using.

MacFlashGordon
01-31-2010, 11:36 PM
I used to find it quite amusing and a compliment that people always assume that if you have any amount of muscle, you must be taking steroids.

Lately, it has really been annoying me.

It isn't that I even have an issue with steroid use (abuse does concern me), my boyfriend uses and I find the whole pharmacology/endocrinology/physiology of steroids fascinating.

Does anyone else get fed up with the constant comments that you have to take drugs to put on muscle and get really lean?


Ask the question another way: If you were to remove drugs entirely would there be a significant reduction in the lean muscle mass of top level body builders? Of course there will be! It's just not a sustainable body condition without them. If they didn't 'help' then 'drug issues' (rightly or wrongly) wouldn't exist.

It just ain't natural in most cases to have the muscular condition of an 'in season body builder' and NOT be on something other than seaweed salad. People always question what they don't understand and more often than not their questioning is justified.

Who cares anyway? You already know you're different to most people. You look good so i guess you should take it as a compliment - even if you feel its a slight on your efforts.

powergraham
02-01-2010, 05:44 AM
Ask the question another way: If you were to remove drugs entirely would there be a significant reduction in the lean muscle mass of top level body builders? Of course there will be! It's just not a sustainable body condition without them. If they didn't 'help' then 'drug issues' (rightly or wrongly) wouldn't exist.

It just ain't natural in most cases to have the muscular condition of an 'in season body builder' and NOT be on something other than seaweed salad. People always question what they don't understand and more often than not their questioning is justified.

Who cares anyway? You already know you're different to most people. You look good so i guess you should take it as a compliment - even if you feel its a slight on your efforts.

Let's step back a minute. Not top level competitiors, we know they use (and abuse in a lot of cases) the drugs, and that is why they carry 260lbs on a 5'8" frame.

Your average muscle guy. More muscle than average. Good legs, good back. He will get accusations of steroids. I have and I don't even look good, but I'm big built and strong.

I've had a lad I use to train with go round telling people I must be on gear, and to be honest, I laughed it off. For one, I'm actually pro steroids. I think when used correctly their benefits can largely outweigh their cons. Two, I'm 19, and I don't feel I need them.

But, I would say ignorance and jealousy are deffinitely the main two factors. I always try to help on the ognorance side. I've invited my friends to train with me. So far, none have asked to continue. Then, I make them up a diet. "But I don't like this, or that, or that, and what do you mean I can't have chinese takeaway ?" You think I enjoy packing 5-6 meals a day into my body, especially when it's the same thing most days ? I've made a few people aware of the commitment and punishment that you go through to get muscle on your body, and I think they see now, how damn hard it actually is.

Plus, drugs mean nothing without other components. I know a lad, extremely lean ectomorph, ridiculous, and he really wanted to put weight on (he's been picked on all his life for his skinniness). He takes test and dbol, and from what I hear, quite large doses. He is now 11 stone, has 11" arms, no chest, no back, slight cap on his shoulders, and doesnt train legs. He est. he has put on a stone in a year (14lbs).

I asked his friend about his diet. "Oh, not much, nibbles here and there, a lot of chocolate bars." :confused:

Steroids are, and always will be, a supplement. Without the basics in places, they won't do much.

On the jealousy side, let them be. People need to start rumours because I can train hard, and eat well ? Fair Enough, I think I'll live with that.

Overtrained
02-02-2010, 05:56 PM
More often then not i get asked the "steriod question". As others have said, you just take it as a compliment. I do get some laughter out of it cause you never really percieve yourself as being that big that someone will think your on gear. Well, at least I dont.:dunno:

KEVDIESEL
02-19-2010, 08:47 AM
we live in a lazy society. im not a huge guy but i get my balls broken at work constantly by people that think doing 20 push ups and some bicep curls is a workout. they insist that i use and tell them its hard work and dedication. lazy people hate to hear that more than anything. most people want to know what to take before they even learn how to train properly.

esgibson
02-19-2010, 10:12 AM
we live in a lazy society. im not a huge guy but i get my balls broken at work constantly by people that think doing 20 push ups and some bicep curls is a workout. they insist that i use and tell them its hard work and dedication. lazy people hate to hear that more than anything. most people want to know what to take before they even learn how to train properly.

very true statement. people is our society today are lazy pieces of shit (generally speaking). people don't understand steroid use and it's not really their fault. the media has and always will skew the stories and research so it says what they want. the school systems also seem to do the same things. i believe it's more or less to scare kids way from taking them though. there will always be a stigma with steroid use and people think u just stick urself and lay on the couch to grow...it still takes a lot of fuckin work. i'm all naturally but have friends that use and they work their asses off. either way hard work is hard work and it's not impossible to have a good physique and be natural. it's just harder but then again if u think a good physique is ronnie...probably won't get there haha but u can still look really good and be natty...

JRob
02-19-2010, 06:43 PM
and god forbid you get a pimple somewhere visibly noticeable on your body

KEVDIESEL
02-19-2010, 09:00 PM
very true statement. people is our society today are lazy pieces of shit (generally speaking). people don't understand steroid use and it's not really their fault. the media has and always will skew the stories and research so it says what they want. the school systems also seem to do the same things. i believe it's more or less to scare kids way from taking them though. there will always be a stigma with steroid use and people think u just stick urself and lay on the couch to grow...it still takes a lot of fuckin work. i'm all naturally but have friends that use and they work their asses off. either way hard work is hard work and it's not impossible to have a good physique and be natural. it's just harder but then again if u think a good physique is ronnie...probably won't get there haha but u can still look really good and be natty...you nailed it bro. my best friend uses and he trains hard as shit, i'm natty i train hard as shit. no way to replace the results of hard work and of course sound nutrition. in my mind that's what builds a quality physique. oops i forgot patience and discipline.

KEVDIESEL
02-19-2010, 09:02 PM
and god forbid you get a pimple somewhere visibly noticeable on your bodyoh yeah and we can't get angry or it's the ever popular roid rage LOL.

esgibson
02-20-2010, 01:30 PM
oh yeah and we can't get angry or it's the ever popular roid rage LOL.

god...roid rage is the worst hahahhahahaha i was watching law and order with my gf one weekend and the episode was about a high school baseball star that was blacking out and beating people up! i thought to myself..there's no way they're gonna put this on steroids...shortly after that they found steroids in the kids gym locker...i was blow away...

JRob
02-20-2010, 02:16 PM
Its just what comes with the territory. Have to learn to accept it and take it as you will...

The biggest "seller" to most is when your in better shape or stronger then someone who is or did use...then its a real given you do lol

turkish1530
02-22-2010, 12:42 PM
I used to find it quite amusing and a compliment that people always assume that if you have any amount of muscle, you must be taking steroids.

Lately, it has really been annoying me.

It isn't that I even have an issue with steroid use (abuse does concern me), my boyfriend uses and I find the whole pharmacology/endocrinology/physiology of steroids fascinating.

Does anyone else get fed up with the constant comments that you have to take drugs to put on muscle and get really lean?

I agree 110%, it is extremly annoying. Truly it is the ultimate compliment for someone to think you are taking steroids (if it's because of size or size/leaness). Nonetheless it is still extremly annoying just becuz you are not taking anything and have worked ur tail off to be where you are.

JRob
02-22-2010, 01:19 PM
Its bitter sweet...

marymn
02-23-2010, 09:24 AM
Drugs are not the wise choice for body builders.

Drug Rehab (http://www.synergytreatment.com/)

anabolic fyre
02-23-2010, 05:11 PM
So far everyone in my gym that i have come across that says "well im natural" look like complete shyt... so take drugs its good for you.

Gunners
05-20-2010, 04:25 PM
Before i took steroids i got up to 238, fairly lean at 5,9. People that come out with these remarks usually have shit genetics and use this argument.

HammerStrength12
05-25-2010, 08:08 PM
Before i took steroids i got up to 238, fairly lean at 5,9. People that come out with these remarks usually have shit genetics and use this argument.

dayum

Foreman_Rules
05-25-2010, 08:59 PM
Depends on how you look, a ripped 6' guy at 200-210 could easily be natty, but one at 240-260 is a drug abuser without a doubt.

Most people do not point fingers at well built people, they point them at people well beyond what is possible natty.

Foreman_Rules
05-25-2010, 09:02 PM
Before i took steroids i got up to 238, fairly lean at 5,9. People that come out with these remarks usually have shit genetics and use this argument.Wow, Sergio was 233 here, not contest shape but close. It is amazing that you were the same height as Sergio and about the same weight...but he was on steroids and you were natty.


LMAO

jstevenson460
05-25-2010, 09:04 PM
I competed in natural organizations for years and yes it was annoying that people always assumed that I was on drugs. Finally I would just agree with them and say yep and I even pass all the drug tests... amazing huh? They would be like.. what?
Stupid people should just

Rsardinia
05-26-2010, 02:33 PM
Because if you don't have the genetics/dedication for it, you can't understand how someone else could. I just take it as a compliment that they would assume I'm chemically enhanced to look how I do.

Gunners
05-26-2010, 04:15 PM
Wow, Sergio was 233 here, not contest shape but close. It is amazing that you were the same height as Sergio and about the same weight...but he was on steroids and you were natty.


LMAO

Here we are the internet shit who doesn't know a thing about weightlifting or nutrition and has the genetics for ping pong trying to be clever.

I know about 20 guys as big or bigger than me at my rugby club and at the gym that are natural.

Are we to compare every guy at 200 odd pounds to ed corney or Franco you idiot. You can never imagen this stuff because you are only good at being a smart arse behind your computer, i have nothing to prove to you.

As someone who is on steroids right now, i can tell you they are no miracle worker

modred
05-26-2010, 04:37 PM
I suppose that depends on what you think looks good with regards to physique.

I think that there are quite a few people that would be quite massive and look great, but they just don't lift weights.

You have brought up the issue that I am referring to in this thread, as soon as someone looks good, people automatically think 'drugs'.

natural you can look like this: skinny and hard
massive and fat!!
a natural will never be razor sharp and massive to me fat and massive dont look good and skinny / hard the same.

Costco77
05-26-2010, 04:47 PM
I used to find it quite amusing and a compliment that people always assume that if you have any amount of muscle, you must be taking steroids.

Lately, it has really been annoying me.

It isn't that I even have an issue with steroid use (abuse does concern me), my boyfriend uses and I find the whole pharmacology/endocrinology/physiology of steroids fascinating.

Does anyone else get fed up with the constant comments that you have to take drugs to put on muscle and get really lean?

Bro take it as a compliment. I think that's one of the best compilements that a natty can recieve. You are really the only one that truely knows if you are actually natty, as far as what everybody else thinks WHO CARES. If it's really bothering you just tell them that it's not easy and doesn't happen overnight..just say it took a lot of hard work, if they still don't believe you FUCK 'EM. Don't worry about what other people think, don't let it bother you, just take it as a compliment.

Foreman_Rules
05-27-2010, 06:41 AM
Here we are the internet shit who doesn't know a thing about weightlifting or nutrition and has the genetics for ping pong trying to be clever.

I know about 20 guys as big or bigger than me at my rugby club and at the gym that are natural.

Are we to compare every guy at 200 odd pounds to ed corney or Franco you idiot. You can never imagen this stuff because you are only good at being a smart arse behind your computer, i have nothing to prove to you.

As someone who is on steroids right now, i can tell you they are no miracle workerI knew you would back down from posting proof.

All too easy.

IL WNBF Pro
05-27-2010, 08:58 AM
Wow, Sergio was 233 here, not contest shape but close. It is amazing that you were the same height as Sergio and about the same weight...but he was on steroids and you were natty.


LMAO

I tend to agree with you....238 and fairly lean at 5' 9"?? Whats fairly lean Gunner?

Gunners
05-27-2010, 03:12 PM
I tend to agree with you....238 and fairly lean at 5' 9"?? Whats fairly lean Gunner?

Blurry abs bitch - go play ping pong this game ain't for you can't even imagen that lol.

IL WNBF Pro
05-28-2010, 08:52 AM
Blurry abs bitch - go play ping pong this game ain't for you can't even imagen that lol.

Bitch? Hmm...quite the rip. Couple of things....why is it you dodged the request for a pic? Secondly...I have been in this game a shit ton longer than you, and lets be honest....have gone farther than you have. Son, you have a long way to go before telling me this game aint for me.

Step up....post a pic...own me....otherwise....STFU.

Hope this helps.

Silidons
05-28-2010, 01:40 PM
From being in the BB world you can tell a lot of times when people are natural or not, but even before I started I never looked at people and thought "oh roids", never entered my mind, I was more amazed by them. I guess I'm just not that type of person.

But a lot of people do claim to be "natural" and do drugs.

Rsardinia
05-28-2010, 01:44 PM
Its bitter sweet...

Yup. On the one hand its a compliment, on the other it's very annoying/aggravating to know you put in all this time and hard work (24/7 mind you) to have someone chalk it up to steroids. Nothin you can do I suppose but keep doing your thing and bustin ass.

IL WNBF Pro
06-08-2010, 11:49 PM
Still awaiting a pic....dont know how much longer I will be able to hold my breath