Should bodybuilders be suspended for the G4P stuff?

[the_gift]

I'm not just talking about all the G4P stuff.. ALOT of the female competitors are doing nudes and webcam stuff as well.. do you think the NPC/IFBB should suspend these competitors, yes or no??

[the_gift]

all I know is if George St Pierre or Lebron James.. or some top female athlete.. did anything of the like.. they would be ridiculed out of the sport..

[JWolfe]

I don't see how a sport should have the right to say what someone can or can't do for a job. Its one thing if there are legal problems with it like they get arrested for being a gay prostitute or something like that then I guess maybe.

[Mirko Cro Cop]

all I know is if George St Pierre or Lebron James.. or some top female athlete.. did anything of the like.. they would be ridiculed out of the sport..

GSP and Lebron get paid tons more than any bodybuilder pro or amateur.

These guys and girls need to pay the bills.

[the_gift]

I don't see how a sport should have the right to say what someone can or can't do for a job. Its one thing if there are legal problems with it like they get arrested for being a gay prostitute or something like that then I guess maybe.

yeah but what about the reputation of the sport?

The NBA would suspend an athlete if they did something like that.. and in the NFL, MLB and anything in the like.

What about the reputation of the sport? If you are a 'pro' or top level amateur where people look up to you.. shouldn't you be a positive influence? All they are doing is discouraging younger athletes by doing this. Yes they will have muscle worshippers that will worship them.. but I don't think this is right.. but hey thats just my opinion.

[Strikerrjones]

This thread is full of epic duncery.

[marty]

I'm not just talking about all the G4P stuff.. ALOT of the female competitors are doing nudes and webcam stuff as well.. do you think the NPC/IFBB should suspend these competitors, yes or no??


No, I think the BB stages would be pretty bare, no pun intended!!!;)

[the_gift]

GSP and Lebron get paid tons more than any bodybuilder pro or amateur.

These guys and girls need to pay the bills.

That is very true.. and that is how I would have defended some of these guys/girls in the past. But can't they do something respectable.. operate a daycare like Lee banks.. Grocery industry like Dugdale.. personal train like tons of them.. run a website.. etc.. etc..

G4P, and females getting off by putting stuff in their private parts is defenitely not a respectable way to make money.. its a cheap way out

[Strikerrjones]

That is very true.. and that is how I would have defended some of these guys/girls in the past. But can't they do something respectable.. operate a daycare like Lee banks.. Grocery industry like Dugdale.. personal train like tons of them.. run a website.. etc.. etc..

G4P, and females getting off by putting stuff in their private parts is defenitely not a respectable way to make money.. its a cheap way out

Why isn't it respectable? A massive percentage of bodybuilding fandom is probably gay. Fuck, if they can make $500 a night flexing in front of a webcam, I say more power to 'em.

[the_gift]

Why isn't it respectable? A massive percentage of bodybuilding fandom is probably gay. Fuck, if they can make $500 a night flexing in front of a webcam, I say more power to 'em.

theres a difference between flexing and fucking a grapefruit.

I'm not just talking men. In the media, its always a huge deal when they find a naked pic or sex video of a famous female or female athlete.. but in this industry it's normal!:eek:

[Ninja Loco]

This thread is full of epic duncery.
Because it was started by an epic DUNCE.


Gift you are about as big a dumbass as Ive ever come across on the interwebz. Should they be banned? You dumbass they CANNOT. I'd go into why but it would be lost on you.

[yeahbuddy]

At first I thought it hurt bodybuilding's reputation/image, then I thought about it and people who aren't really into bodybuilding don't even know about the G4P stuff. Bodybuilding doesn't really have an image to hurt, in that the general public never thinks about or sees it except maybe at the newstand when they look at the cover of Flex and say "That's disgusting".

I have talked to people who are casual bodybuilding fans who read the mags and know who Mr. Olympia is but don't go on the boards and know nothing of the true inner workings of the industry, and they are shocked when I have told them about certain pro's side activities.

[benmoneyog]

if the ifbb wanted it to stop they would give their athletes contracts, like a baseball team gives its players. Bodybuilding is one of the few sports that a pro can go an entire year without making money from the sport. Most pros get money from sponsers, regular jobs, and jobs most people wouldnt agree with.

[Theobeselifter]

Doesn't do the image of the sport any good. Makes it look kind of raunchy...how can you take bodybuilding serious after you watched one of the top pro's hump a an acorn nut? or a muscle girl showing the world more than she does her gynecologist.

[gregz123]

At first I thought it hurt bodybuilding's reputation/image, then I thought about it and people who aren't really into bodybuilding don't even know about the G4P stuff. Bodybuilding doesn't really have an image to hurt, in that the general public never thinks about or sees it except maybe at the newstand when they look at the cover of Flex and say "That's disgusting".

I have talked to people who are casual bodybuilding fans who read the mags and know who Mr. Olympia is but don't go on the boards and know nothing of the true inner workings of the industry, and they are shocked when I have told them about certain pro's side activities.

Exactly on the SURFACE it seems alright but what happens when some fan at the Mr.O contest decides to google search Kai or someone else whose distasteful pictures are online for more information or whatever and sees these pictures and then never has the desire to come to a show again?? He then tells his friends(as you did) then next thing ya know the sport is gone..

It should be the responsibility of the IFBB, NPC, etc to put suspensions into place for these types of things, as stated previously in the forums these are other respectable ways to make ends meet..

[SallyAnne]

I don't think the IFBB or NPC or any other federation should be able to tell you what you can or cannot do for a living.

[mdvsony]

I don't think the IFBB or NPC or any other federation should be able to tell you what you can or cannot do for a living.


i agree,

to avoid any problems, i reckon they shoud just not mention the ifbb/npc affiliation...that you're not putting any name or organisation at risk of being assosciated if they didn't want to be.

at the end of the day food needs to be paid, ned a roff above the head and supplements to buy :)

[Sugan]

Pro bodybuilding has bigger problems. Synthol for one. Pro bodybuilding has never enjoyed a good reputation as it's always been a fringe activity. The general public has no idea that pros do gay4pay and those of us who follow it won't stop supporting the industry because of it. If someone is too lazy to get a job to pay for his/her gear then I could care less. I will think less of them for being lazy , not for doing what they are doing per se. Plenty of pros have had real jobs and did just as well as the gay4pay and porno chicks. For every Kai Greene there are 10 Ronnie Colemans.
No, they should not be suspended. Those who use synthol should.

[Marduk The UnREPable]

Gift...STOP COMPARING BB WITH OTHER SPORTS!

[the_gift]

I don't think the IFBB or NPC or any other federation should be able to tell you what you can or cannot do for a living.

Well when one puts IFBB PRO (_________________) on their website.. and then you go to the top and click images, video etc.. and see all the stuff I was describing.. then that is wrong. I think if you want to be part of an organization, there has to be some sort of control.

When a fan goes on the site and sees IFBB PRO (_______________) and then sees the masturbation clips, that is giving a bad name to the federation, and they should step in.

[LATS]

once they pay them a salary under contract enough for them to live then they have the right to say something.. until then, absolutely not..

[wittleguy]

[quote=the_gift;395919]yeah but what about the reputation of the sport?

The NBA would suspend an athlete if they did something like that.. and in the NFL, MLB and anything in the like.

What about the reputation of the sport? If you are a 'pro' or top level amateur where people look up to you.. shouldn't you be a positive influence?quote]

what about wife beaters and alcoholics in the NBA MLB and NFL? they dont all get suspended. bodybuilders arent under contract. they represent themselves in the sport. sure they represent the sport, to outsiders, but inside our world they represent themselves.

[MichaelWayne]

I'm not just talking about all the G4P stuff.. ALOT of the female competitors are doing nudes and webcam stuff as well.. do you think the NPC/IFBB should suspend these competitors, yes or no??

Does G4P directly affect you? No, then sorry to say, mind your own business and let people do whatever the hell they want to do!

Should they be banned for it? NO, just because they choose a path thats a darker then grocery store owner, daycare runnner or PT....doesn't make what they choose to do wrong. Thus bringing me back to my first point, people can do whatever they want AS LONG AS they aren't hurt people directly.

Besides BBing is so fucked up any way, seeing IFBB Pro (fill in the blank) jerking it is the least of their problems!

[Swede]

all I know is if George St Pierre or Lebron James.. or some top female athlete.. did anything of the like.. they would be ridiculed out of the sport..

They are lucky this is a beauty pagent not a sport then lol.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

this is simply a morailty issue.
the NBA us being held to morality issues for things like drugs, paternal responsibility etc.
same with the NFL, MLB, NHL etc.
the IFBB and NPC have zero morality isses to be concerned with. as soon as congress decries steroids and holds a series of grand jury hearings on the IFBB and NPC, G4P, porn, dom/sub and the alike will never be on their moral radar.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

plus, they have bigger fish to fry... press play.

http://www.alexregnier.com/provincial092.html

[DAVIDHARDY]

It's their own damn choice what the hell they do. This is America(at least where I'm residing is lol) and you have the right to make a living any way legally possible! Porn is legal and it's a booming business. As long as there's nothing in someone's contract specifically stating that they can't do it, then there is nothing wrong with it. Don't preach that ethics bullshit either, because everyone that preaches that shit is a hypocryte! No one does EVERYTHING like they "should be doing it" I say let people do what the fuck they want to do as long as they aren't hurting anyone in the process.

[Tatyana]

While I am really not keen on the close association of the sex industry and bodybuilding, this really isn't anything new.

Eugene Sandow used to arrange for private posing sessions.

If the IFBB and the athletes' sponsers thinks that its athletes should not be participating in this sort of activity, then they should ensure much better working conditions for all the pros, not just the top 5-10.

[snu183]

eh, people do it to make a living. doesnt effect me but i do lose respect for the g4p. even the ladies who do webcams that provide sexual satisfaction lose a lot of respect. bodybuilding just becomes a fetish in the porn industry. seems to be two steps from actually becoming that

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[Swede]

While I am really not keen on the close association of the sex industry and bodybuilding, this really isn't anything new.

Eugene Sandow used to arrange for private posing sessions.

If the IFBB and the athletes' sponsers thinks that its athletes should not be participating in this sort of activity, then they should ensure much better working conditions for all the pros, not just the top 5-10.


I could bet my life that the wieder brothers have been doing that also for decades.

Schmoe brothers.

[MichaelWayne]

I could bet my life that the wieder brothers have been doing that also for decades.

Schmoe brothers.

I remeber the first time seeing an ad with Jonnie Jackson. Blew my mind and thought he was gay...but now I realize he is just another dude making his way in the world and putting food on the table for his family. As gross as the means, its still the life he chooses. Plus who cares, he (or the Weider boys) aren't forcing me to watch some muscled up dude crankin' one off, what does it really matter?

[Swede]

I have nothing against g4p.

If I had enough muscle size I would do it too lol.

[Curt James]

I'm not just talking about all the G4P stuff.. ALOT of the female competitors are doing nudes and webcam stuff as well.. do you think the NPC/IFBB should suspend these competitors, yes or no??

I voted no.

I mean, have you ever Googled the names of bodybuilders?

There are literally a ton of bodybuilders, amateur and professional, who have done explicit pics and films.

And how do you define G4P? What's your range of acceptable behavior?

Some people consider all of bodybuilding G4P. Men and women in their underpants. Oiled up for your viewing pleasure. :rolleyes:

I call it sport. Others say it's a pageant. Still others see it as teh ghey.

[Curt James]

all I know is if George St Pierre or Lebron James.. or some top female athlete.. did anything of the like.. they would be ridiculed out of the sport..

Terrible analogy.

Something closer might be the Harlem Globetrotters. That's more entertainment than serious sport.

Likewise dancing around in front of a video camera versus posing before an audience of bodybuilding fans.

And even something as fundamental to the sport as posing is suspect for some fans. Look at the conflicted opinion over Kai Greene's approach to posing.


yeah but what about the reputation of the sport?

Are you kidding me?

What is the reputation of the sport? Ask the average man or woman in the street what they know of bodybuilding as a sport.

Again, men and women oiled up and dancing in their underoos.

I see it as a sport, to be respected, and with athletes who work hard as hell at their craft. Unfortunately, I believe I'm in the minority.

[Voland]

No need to suspend anyone for that. A sport is just that a sport. The competitor can do whatever he wants with his life. The idea that elite competitors should be role models is stupid. The is the same proportion of behaviours in elite sports than in everyday life; worthless, scumbag, honorable, polite, smart, stupid...etc. Its reflects society. Also blaming them for corrupting the kids, the morals or whatever is stupid too. Parents raise your kid properly it is your obligation.
That being said, g4p is enough of a shame. They will carry that shame for ever in life. That is more painfull and damaging than a suspension.

[Curt James]

No need to suspend anyone for that. A sport is just that a sport. The competitor can do whatever he wants with his life. The idea that elite competitors should be role models is stupid. The is the same proportion of behaviours in elite sports than in everyday life; worthless, scumbag, honorable, polite, smart, stupid...etc. Its reflects society. Also blaming them for corrupting the kids, the morals or whatever is stupid too. Parents raise your kid properly it is your obligation.
That being said, g4p is enough of a shame. They will carry that shame for ever in life. That is more painfull and damaging than a suspension.

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[Jeepgcboy97]

Bodybuilders should not be banned to compete if they do G4P. Why should they be banned if they are able to compete at the top level of their sport? What ever income they recieve should not be any of our concern.

[antonbrn]

I don't know about bannig them, but I do feel it degrades them.

[ironmudd]

It's wrong and it's hard to respect anybody who does it. However, unless they do something criminal or commit an offense against the sport, I don't think they should be suspended. If they're posing nude for the judges or busting out the moon pose up onstage than I could see that being grounds for suspension.

[Curt James]

I don't know about banning them, but I do feel it degrades them.

I pretty much agree with you there.

I'm guessing that some people are very sexual and enjoy these pursuits, but I'd much rather have bodybuilders on a box of Wheaties than molesting citrus. :(

God bless Kai but there's no escaping that imagery. And I bet he'd agree. You think he had many offers to pose for Wheaties? I'm guessing no.

Not sure there's fault to be placed here either. The NPC and IFBB doesn't pay their athletes the big bucks because there are no big bucks to be had.

Well, I wonder how much Iovate has to spread around. :rolleyes:

Like Sugan said, it's a niche sport and most likely always will be. The average man or woman doesn't give a rat's ass what they look like naked or whether or not they can curl forty pound dumbbells versus a 16-ounce can of beer.

And so we have physique athletes scrambling to make some bucks. Most people go with their talents when it comes to vocation. Why struggle to make money as a bricklayer under a hot sun when you can get paid five times the wages, in front of a webcam, walking back and forth across a room in the comfort of your home?

[MattyH7688]

although i dont agree with G4P at all (am actually STRONGLY against it).. until the IFBB starts paying these guys a reasonable salary, they cant do anything about this..

these guys need to make money some how... Although I think a normal human being should just get a job, but when some guy is paying you a grand for an hour of work of just posing in your skimpies.. then whatever.. do what you gotta do

[anthony1992]

I don't think the IFBB or NPC or any other federation should be able to tell you what you can or cannot do for a living.
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