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DR.BB
07-30-2009, 09:30 PM
My MRI revealed a ruptured tricep tendon in my right arm. I will go for surgery, need to set a date w/doc. (I am 40 years old, and have trained seriously since high school, now I am experencing endless muscle/tendon injuries but this is bby far the worst.) I know Esplendido had tricep tendon surgery, and it would also be helpful to hear from anyone who experienced it. So, Esplendido and others...

How long before I can return to the gym after surgery?

Can I train w/machines (like pec dec) with arm in cast or is this just plain stupid? Are there excercises I can do that will not hit tris or modify the range of motion to avoid the tri/elbow area? I need to figure out a way to train. Some say doing one side of the body can still help the opposite side that's injured? Could this be true?

Will the tricep look normal or distorted after the operation?

Should I continue TRT during and immediately after surgery? Should I drop TRT and try growth? Is it better to do nothing? (Before the doc cuts me open, I'll reveal my TRT--just don't want any lectures for now).

esplendido
07-30-2009, 11:02 PM
I used 3IU GH/day while recovering, along with 400mg test/wk. I was cleared to use the arm lightly after 90 days and was benching at full stength 90 days later.

While recovering (and I was never in a permanent cast, I had a removable sling), I trained the opposite side, and pretty much maintained unilateral size and strength.

Yes, my left triceps (the reattached one) is a little shorter than the right one, but looks pretty good considering. It actually looks better in a side triceps shot than the uninjured arm.

DR.BB
07-31-2009, 08:28 PM
Thanks Esplendido for the helpful response. Are there lifts that you did with the opposite (uninjured) side that are especially good for this situation? Did you rely on machines? Did your opposite side really maintain its size and strength? Did you ever push it and do lats or pec deck w/both sides as I can do these movements w/o pain in the tricep? This is all encouraging.

esplendido
08-01-2009, 12:21 AM
Thanks Esplendido for the helpful response. Are there lifts that you did with the opposite (uninjured) side that are especially good for this situation? Did you rely on machines? Did your opposite side really maintain its size and strength? Did you ever push it and do lats or pec deck w/both sides as I can do these movements w/o pain in the tricep? This is all encouraging.
I "listened" to my triceps when I was given the green light to use it again. It had some pain in it when I did anything requiring it to flex, but it was not injury pain, but the kind that comes with using a muscle not used to lifting. It was in the area of the injury. So I did light moves for a few weeks, then slowly pushed it, using the pain as the stopping point. But I was able to get to full strength in 3 months....very cautiously, because a retear would've been disaterous.

I used dumbells and cables to work the opposite side....pec deck, one armed pushdowns, lateral raises....that kind of thing. And yes, I did not lose any appreciable size on the injured side. The reattached triceps has about a 1/2" higher insertion than the good side, but it's hard to tell, even in the front double biceps pose.

I did NOT do heavy leg presses during the 3 months I wasn't allowed to use the arm because it had to remain in a 30 degree angle in the hard sling so I couldn't grab the leg press handles with my left hand, preventing me from doing anything heavier than 500lbs.

Just take it easy during recovery and don't push it too fast. Better to be cautious than tear it loose from its new mooring. Remember, I used GH to speed recovery, but even then, I only pushed when I could do it painlessly.

vboissiere
08-01-2009, 08:12 AM
I ruptured both tricep tendons towards the end of November last year. I had surgery on my right arm because of a total detachment of the medial head. The left arm was a 60% detachment (which I foolishly allowed the surgeon to talk me out of repairing).

I wish I had followed a protacal such as described above. My right arm has regained 75% of its former strength. The left 65%. I base these numbers on performance on unilateral isolation movements. This makes it very difficult to perform free weight pressing movements. The pain in my right elbow is constant, with the exception of when warmed up during training.

Once your rehab training starts, look into band training to promote a faster recovery with less joint trauma.

Good luck.

esplendido
08-01-2009, 05:00 PM
I ruptured both tricep tendons towards the end of November last year. I had surgery on my right arm because of a total detachment of the medial head. The left arm was a 60% detachment (which I foolishly allowed the surgeon to talk me out of repairing).

I wish I had followed a protacal such as described above. My right arm has regained 75% of its former strength. The left 65%. I base these numbers on performance on unilateral isolation movements. This makes it very difficult to perform free weight pressing movements. The pain in my right elbow is constant, with the exception of when warmed up during training.

Once your rehab training starts, look into band training to promote a faster recovery with less joint trauma.

Good luck.
How did you rupture both triceps?

MrAust92
08-03-2009, 03:45 AM
I am currently 8 weeks post-surgery from a supraspinatus tendon repair.

Believe it or not I was stretching (sucks I know). I had just completed training bicep and tricep in superset fashion and was stretching my biceps in the power-rack when I felt a sickening snap and an audible popping noise. At first I thought I had torn the upper insertion of the bicep but an MRI scan revealed it was the supraspinatus tendon that was torn.

Extent of damage:

I knew straight away what had happened (there is no sensation quite like snapping a tendon) and I iced it repeatedly that day and throughout the night. The next day I tracked down a Dr and politely demanded a referral for an MRI scan. The results of this indicated a tear of close to 100% of the supraspinatus tendon.

Surgery or not?

Always a big call. I took my scans straight to a sports physician and asked firmly but politely for a referral to an expert sports orthopaedic surgeon to have it repaired. Some sports Drs will recommend against surgery depending on your age, activity level etc but if you want to continue to train at pre-injury levels then surgery is the only solution. Takes longer to rehab but repaired tendons are as good as new ones, they heal 100%.

I was lucky to get a slot with a reknowned ortho who specialises is shoulder repair, he repaired my left pec 15 years ago and my faith in his ability is 110%.

Post op care:

Post surgery arm is immobilised in a sling and you are pumped full of pain meds and anti inflammatory meds. This sucks but its important as minimising pain in the first 72 hrs will speed up rehab considerably. I hate taking morphine based pain meds as they make me feel like shit (fuck knows why junkies like the stuff) but taking these and naproxen 4 times per day kept the pain manageable. Icing the wound every 2 hrs is also recommended for the first 48 hrs and then at least 4 times per day after that. (yes this means getting up in the night to get a fresh icepack from the freezer)

Exercise/ regaining range of movement:

Rehab methods seem to be more aggressive these days, the pyhsio had me out of bed the morning after the op, removed the sling and started to get me moving the arm through a limited range of motion. After 24 hrs I started undertaking the following 4 times per day.


L arm bicep curl (no weight just curl the arm up and down)
L forearm supination (activates the shoulder joint)
Shoulder shrugs (just up and down with you arms by your sides)
Shoulder blade shrugs (just squeezing/shrugging your shoulders backwards like the completion of a pully row)
Hanging arm rotation (just bend forward, hang the arm down and rotate clockwise and then anti-clockwise)
Hanging arm "swings" (similar to rotations but just swing the arm front to back and then side to side)
I do this 4 times per day for 50 reps and try and increase the ROM each time (its easy to do in the shower). Use pain as a guide and dont extend further than is comfortable. I usually follow this up with paracetamol and naproxen to settle any inflammation it may cause.

After 2 weeks the sling came off and I graduated to using elastic band resistance work as well.

Nutritional supplmentation:

I take all my usual supps, vitamins etc and on top of this I take the following cocktail 4 times per day.

Magnesium
Calcium
Zinc
5 grams Vitamin C
Fish oil
Evening Primrose oil
Glucosamine, Chondroitin and MSM formula

Gets a bit tedious but Im sticking to it like glue as I intend to set a record for injury recovery.

Super supps??

Super supps are an individual choice, they arent for everyone and I understand that but they can have a role to play here.

If someone had access to these items legally via a medical practitioner the following protocol would contribute to an effective recovery.

Test at a standard HRT dosage (for the average 40-something male this is around 200 mg every 10 days)
Nandrolone decanoate 100 mg every 10 days
hGH (http://forums.anabolex.com/autolink.php?id=24&forumid=16&script=showthread) at 1-3 iu per day

These dosages present little health risks (very close to just replacement therapy) yet promote healing and recovery. (remember no real weight training is being undertaken).

Diet

Again, very individual thing but I dont think it helps to be carting a big bodyweight around when rehabbing a serious injury and all meaningful weight training is out so no point blowing out and being a fat fuck.

I am maintained about 108-110 kg (about 240 lbs) and just eating 5 meals per day of around 50 gm protein, 20 gm healthy fats and fibrous carbs (no starches or sugars). This cahanged once I could train a bit more and I added carbs to some meals.

Training?

I had grand designs of training legs flat out while this healed but was advised not to. I couldnt squat or load the leg press anyway so I just followed Drs orders and channelled all my recuperative powers into my shoulder and getting it well again.

How long till its healed?

The surgeon advises 6 months to achieve full tendon strength but to be careful up until 12 months. I am lucky my tear was mid-way down the tendon and has been stitched back together to heal. When the tendon has to be re-attached to the bone it takes longer as the bone has to heal around the new attachment.

8 weeks later I am doing light upper body workouts 2 x per week and legs twice per week. I squatted 2 plates for 20 reps the other day without aggravating the shoulder and can manage light pulldowns, dumbells presses etc, I even deadlifted 2 plates for 20 reps today without discomfort.

The trick is to follow the medical advice but try and improve incrementally each week, its frustrating at first but small gains add up over the weeks and you will surprised at your progress.

People tell me I look healthier than I have in years (mainly because I am lighter) but the truth is I feel great. In 4 weeks time I will be 12 weeks post-op and I hope to get the all clear to start slowly ramping up the resistance.

:)

DR.BB
08-03-2009, 01:32 PM
Thanks again to Esplendido and MrAust92 for this helpful info. My orthodpedic barely seemed concerned and I pushed for an MRI, which revealed a rupture and surgery was an option w/ a dco who didn't seem to worried in the first palce. I am now going to a top orthopedic (he is legitimatelly listed on an NFL website as the team doc and has done tendon suregry on pros).

MrAust, do you think I will need to plead for surgery with this doc? I have copies of the MRI showing what I am told is a "sugnificant rupture"? Any advice on making sure you get the surgey. I already have a torn bicep tendon on the arm from 5 yrs ago, and I regret that I never had surgery.

MrAust92
08-04-2009, 01:05 AM
MrAust, do you think I will need to plead for surgery with this doc? I have copies of the MRI showing what I am told is a "sugnificant rupture"? Any advice on making sure you get the surgey. I already have a torn bicep tendon on the arm from 5 yrs ago, and I regret that I never had surgery.

I dont think you will have any trouble, any decent ortho who works with athletes will recommend surgical repair if you want to return to performing at your pre-injury state.

They often recommend against surgery for older sedentary individuals as the surgery and subsequent rehab is more trouble for someone who isnt going to reap the benefits of a full repair.

:)

vboissiere
08-04-2009, 06:08 AM
How did you rupture both triceps?
I was doing seated overhead dumbbell extensions...

DR.BB
08-14-2009, 09:52 PM
Had the tricep suergery today on what the Doc called 90% rupture. He has me in a cast for 10 days, no movement of arm, but light rehab can begin in 10 days. I will then wear an adjustable brace, with degrees of motion increased weekly. He'll remove after 6 weeks and says I can then do bilateral LIGHT training. Does this sound reasonable? I can get no more than 2iu gh a day. Esplendido mentioned 3 and MrAust a range. Would it be worth the cost for healing, and maybe keep my bf in check?

MrAust92
08-14-2009, 10:03 PM
I think 2 iu per day would be very helpful for your healing, of course its a cost/benefit thing.

:)

esplendido
08-14-2009, 11:31 PM
2IU will go a long way to speed healing.

vboissiere
08-15-2009, 04:13 AM
The time table sounds about right with others (as well as what my doctor told me). As to the GH usage, you have some very well versed guys on the topic advising you. Good luck!

DR.BB
08-19-2009, 05:55 PM
Thanks again for the info. So, 2iu/day of GH will help with recovery. Given the cost, I am wondering if I can get any benefit for healing and maybe body fat on 1iu/day?

esplendido
08-19-2009, 06:46 PM
Thanks again for the info. So, 2iu/day of GH will help with recovery. Given the cost, I am wondering if I can get any benefit for healing and maybe body fat on 1iu/day?

Not significant healing. Believe me, spending $7/day over $3.50/day is well worth it. (some sources have it even cheaper).

Icy.Phoenix
02-02-2010, 04:50 PM
Hey, how long does it take for Growth to kick in, for injury prevention, I am a noob to the chemical enahncement world, and have had mixed sources of information, som saying 24 hours, some saying up to 3 months till it kicks in.

Obviously if it takes 3 months to kick in, the use for injury prevention short term is pointless, so I assume you guys are of the opinion or knowledge that it kicks in rather quickly, since you are using it for injury repair.

Any help or advice would be great, I hury my patellar squatting last night.

Thanks,

- Icy

esplendido
02-03-2010, 03:03 AM
Hey, how long does it take for Growth to kick in, for injury prevention, I am a noob to the chemical enahncement world, and have had mixed sources of information, som saying 24 hours, some saying up to 3 months till it kicks in.

Obviously if it takes 3 months to kick in, the use for injury prevention short term is pointless, so I assume you guys are of the opinion or knowledge that it kicks in rather quickly, since you are using it for injury repair.

Any help or advice would be great, I hury my patellar squatting last night.

Thanks,

- Icy
GH won't prevent injury. It will speed recovery though. I would estimate it cuts recovery in half.

Yes, GH takes a couple months to show obvious benefits, but it starts working immediately. However, if you have an injury that is preventing you from exercising, GH won't put you back under the iron in a day or a week.

Baldiewonkanobi
02-03-2010, 02:33 PM
As an adjunct to the above, which by the way I whole heartedly agree, I have always addressed injury with excersise and hightened nutrition. When I broke my tibia, fibia and talus at age 66 it was deemed to be a crippling blow to a man my age. BULLCHIT. I was immediatly on the floor with my bands working my ass off. I was out of the cast into a boot in 2 weeks. Into the gym and training everything else but the break. Week 6 I was walking on my own and doing the stair machine. Week 12 squat rack. DONE. I took 2 Animal PAKs a day PLUS 2 xtra grams of C, cal/mag/zinc and 1000 iu D3.

12 months ago I tore my groin so bad the bruise by day 3 was all the way to my foot. I have posted the pic in my thread. I did the same. Trained my ass off and upped my nutrients as before. Squat rack week 3.

Good healing.....


Baldie

Icy.Phoenix
02-03-2010, 06:37 PM
So to sum up to speed up my recovery:

Keep strengthening the injury area as much as possible without hurting or reinjuring.

Eat healthy

Take extra vit C, D3, Zinc, Mag, Calcium

GH can be used to speed up the healing process

Is that about right ?

Question about the OTC supplements, I see the Vit C, D3, Zinc, is it because they all boost immune system function. Is that the reasoning behind those ?

Thanks guys

Baldiewonkanobi
02-03-2010, 07:29 PM
A good read....

http://www.chiroweb.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=45306


Baldie

DR.BB
02-06-2010, 03:16 PM
I tore my tricep tendon and muscle nearly 100%; had surgery on August 17. Trained one side as Esplendido suggested and lost only about 4-5 pounds. Doc gave me clearance to train both sides about a month ago, but I am still incredibly weak and the elbow hurts sometimes doing routine things like grocery shopping. I can barely bench 185 for 8 reps. The bar alone was difficulut at first! I can shoulder press with 100s on the non-injured side, but on the injured side can barely move the 60s without pain and weakness. I can see scar tissue. Is this normal about 6 months out from surgery? Should I go back to my Doc who was very goos to check that it has healed okay?

Baldiewonkanobi
02-12-2010, 07:31 AM
I tore my tricep tendon and muscle nearly 100%; had surgery on August 17. Trained one side as Esplendido suggested and lost only about 4-5 pounds. Doc gave me clearance to train both sides about a month ago, but I am still incredibly weak and the elbow hurts sometimes doing routine things like grocery shopping. I can barely bench 185 for 8 reps. The bar alone was difficulut at first! I can shoulder press with 100s on the non-injured side, but on the injured side can barely move the 60s without pain and weakness. I can see scar tissue. Is this normal about 6 months out from surgery? Should I go back to my Doc who was very goos to check that it has healed okay?

Do you recall the very first time you benched? Struggled at what....135? Then how long did it take you to get to 185? Months I bet. And then it was with 2 healthy tris. Your tricep was just re attached. Your body has been sucker punched, bitch slapped and violated. 185# 180 days after surgery?? Fucking amazing. Great Doc....typical Bodybuilder...I want it all back NOW. And I say that with much brotherly love and understanding....been there many times.

Give it TIME brother.....be wise and be patient...OK?

Baldie

DR.BB
02-12-2010, 06:12 PM
Thanks Baldiewankanobi as it is hard to be patient and have perspective.

watergirl
11-22-2012, 03:54 AM
ooops

watergirl
11-22-2012, 03:57 AM
In response to Mr Aust92. what do you think about prolotherapy for partial shoulder tears? Seems i may have partial bicep and superspinatus tear . going in for mri next week. 8months of massage chiro ice heat stretching stabilization ex arent helping. Had shoulder surgery 5 yrs ago and the pt and general pain for 4 months was excruciating. wasnt really back to normal for about 9 months. i did ice heat nsaids hydrocodone to help. ps would a Dr actually recommend HRT and hgh for a 39yr old female swimmer? Curious your opinion. I assume you arent actually a Dr.