Impressive?

[-Z-]

I found this post (on another board) and thought it made a lot of sense. What about you guys?


So he dominates his first ever UFC fight with a top ten heavy in Mir until the last 8 seconds of the fight, destroys Herring a gatekeeper who's been in their with everyone, stops a legend in Randy Couture, and completely obliterates Mir in his second fight avenging his one rookie mistake loss.

So that's wins over Herring, Mir, Couture. Can anybody think of any other HW in MMA that's had this impressive a resume to begin their career?

I honestly can say that for a guys first few fights that's impressive.

[Mirko Cro Cop]

Well he was a very high profile guy straight off the bat, so they were going to feed him big names to draw the money in.

Pretty much every other fighter havs to start from the very bottom, at some no name organisation. Brock had one fight at Dynamite USA in front of 50,000+ and then was straight into the UFC main event.

[-Z-]

Well he was a very high profile guy straight off the bat, so they were going to feed him big names to draw the money in.

Pretty much every other fighter havs to start from the very bottom, at some no name organisation. Brock had one fight at Dynamite USA in front of 50,000+ and then was straight into the UFC main event.


True, but he hasn't lost. Other than the retarded submission by Mir. He shouldn't have even been caught in that crap.

[Mirko Cro Cop]

True, but he hasn't lost. Other than the retarded submission by Mir. He shouldn't have even been caught in that crap.

He was caught though, and he'll always have that loss on his record. If you think Lesnar's only loss was a bit pathetic then think about Fedor's only loss. A cut stoppage that was caused by an illigal elbow, i'm sure Fedor really didn't think anything of it at the time but now he's the worlds best fighter, he would be even more badass with a perfect record.

[-Z-]

He was caught though, and he'll always have that loss on his record. If you think Lesnar's only loss was a bit pathetic then think about Fedor's only loss. A cut stoppage that was caused by an illigal elbow, i'm sure Fedor really didn't think anything of it at the time but now he's the worlds best fighter, he would be even more badass with a perfect record.

Quoted for truth

[Big_Dave]

I believe those that think Lesnar is a flash in the pan or overrated have no idea about the type of athlete he is.

I truly believe he will dominate the heavyweight division for a very long time to come. This is a guy that was an NCAA wrestling champion, then a professional wrestler and then made it to be one of the last cuts on the Vikings team.

Being one of the last cuts on a pro team after not having played college football is amazing. He is the epitome of a genetic freak.

[Arnoldnumerouno]

Lesner is a big gorilla. All he knows what to do is ground and pound. That's working for him now, but all someone has to do is get him in an armbar or kneebar, and he'll tap out like in the Mir fight. I'm waiting to see if Kimbo Slice will fight him.

[-Z-]

Lesner is a big gorilla. All he knows what to do is ground and pound. That's working for him now, but all someone has to do is get him in an armbar or kneebar, and he'll tap out like in the Mir fight. I'm waiting to see if Kimbo Slice will fight him.


meh

[JAM]

...I'm waiting to see if Kimbo Slice will fight him.

Hmmmm...Lesnar's background includes being extremely capable and experienced at wrestling on the ground. I'd say better than his standing game (which is still good). Kimbo is descent standing but is like a goddamn turtle on its back when he gets taken down. I don't think it'd be much of a fight to wait for.
And for the record I'm not a big Lesnar fan. He, to me, is the epitome of the school yard bully/muscle meathead that just happened to beat the odds. I'm paraphrasing but I remember him saying "...I didn't like school and all that book learnin" You can also guage his intelligence and business sense by the whole fuck bud light i'm a coors guy rant.

[Big_Dave]

Hmmmm...Lesnar's background includes being extremely capable and experienced at wrestling on the ground. I'd say better than his standing game (which is still good). Kimbo is descent standing but is like a goddamn turtle on its back when he gets taken down. I don't think it'd be much of a fight to wait for.
And for the record I'm not a big Lesnar fan. He, to me, is the epitome of the school yard bully/muscle meathead that just happened to beat the odds. I'm paraphrasing but I remember him saying "...I didn't like school and all that book learnin" You can also guage his intelligence and business sense by the whole fuck bud light i'm a coors guy rant.

Nobody is going to mistake Lesnar for a Rhodes Scholar, but I have yet to see a guy with so much untouched talent that could end up hurting a lot of people.

Yes, I agree he's a giant douche.

[kratos47]

lesnar and kimbo? i wanna see how kimbo can handle himself with a top heavyweight first. he has alot of hype from youtube but he hasnt really fought anyone yet. from what i've seen i think lesnar would dominate. but im not really a lesnar fan. I WANT LESNAR FEDOR!!!...but who doesnt:dunno:

[Mirko Cro Cop]

Kimbo got his ass handed to him by a pink haired TUF reject in 15 seconds, why would Brock even waste him time with him???

[Plates]

Kimbo got his ass handed to him by a pink haired TUF reject in 15 seconds, why would Brock even waste him time with him???
I hear what you are saying for sure. However it would be an interesting match up to watch for me. IF Brock is so good, IF Brock is the best in the world, then I would like to see how Kimbo would do against him. I believe Brock would kill him, but it would give people an idea of what (insert Joe Rogan Commentary Here) a "top of the food chain competitor" vs a "bottom of the food chain competitor" would do against eat other.

[Mirko Cro Cop]

I hear what you are saying for sure. However it would be an interesting match up to watch for me. IF Brock is so good, IF Brock is the best in the world, then I would like to see how Kimbo would do against him. I believe Brock would kill him, but it would give people an idea of what (insert Joe Rogan Commentary Here) a "top of the food chain competitor" vs a "bottom of the food chain competitor" would do against eat other.

There are much better brawlers than Kimbo though, and far more deserving guys to fight at the top of the sport. Kimbo was stupid enough to leave Bas Rutten, and I think without Bas, he'll just be a big hump of crap!

[Foreskin]

I think lesnar's ufc rise to HW champ is bullshit, he had 3 fights to his name and was given a title shot against a champion who had quit and vacated his title a year and some months earlier and had not fought since. in the meantime an interim champion was crowned so how does randy just walk back in to his title in the first place? something dosn't add up... forget what i think of lesnar personally he's a big strong and driven man but his skills aren't on par with anyone he has fought yet. what's going to happen when he steps in there with carwin who gives up nothg in size or strength to brock and is every bit a wrestler, I look forward to seeing lesnar beaten at his own game

[chitownmscle]

Hmmmm...Lesnar's background includes being extremely capable and experienced at wrestling on the ground. I'd say better than his standing game (which is still good).

Can you please show me the video of Lesnar's good stand up game? I'm serious too because in all the fights I have seen his stand up is average at best. When you outweigh everyone that you have fought by what 30lbs+ it's easy to see why you knock someone out.

Lesnar still has some serious work to do before he can be considered a dominant champion. You can ground and pound all day but eventually it's going to catch up to you, take a look at Tito Ortiz, the guy practically built his career off ground and pound and what's happened with him now.

Lesnar was hyped up and Dana is capitalizing off his name right now. Is he an athlete, yes. He is a very good athlete, but good athletes don't always make great MMA fighters.

[-Z-]

Can you please show me the video of Lesnar's good stand up game? I'm serious too because in all the fights I have seen his stand up is average at best. When you outweigh everyone that you have fought by what 30lbs+ it's easy to see why you knock someone out.

Lesnar still has some serious work to do before he can be considered a dominant champion. You can ground and pound all day but eventually it's going to catch up to you, take a look at Tito Ortiz, the guy practically built his career off ground and pound and what's happened with him now.

Lesnar was hyped up and Dana is capitalizing off his name right now. Is he an athlete, yes. He is a very good athlete, but good athletes don't always make great MMA fighters.

No fighter can stay on top forever. Once your on top of the mountain there is no place but down. You can't blame Tito for getting older and the sport evolving.

[chitownmscle]

I'm using Tito as an example. He dominated MMA for many years as a ground and pound specialist, but when he lost it he lost it fast because he never evolved from more then a ground and pound guy.

Brock is already 32 years old and nothing more then a ground and pound specialist. Unless he starts training every day in Mua Thai, BJJ, or something like Sambo he is going to reach the same fate as Tito but much sooner. From all the fights we have seen with Brock he doesn't look for anything else but then again we already stated that he is not the most intelligent guy in the world. Just the bigger and stronger fighter of the heavyweights in the UFC

[-Z-]

I'm using Tito as an example. He dominated MMA for many years as a ground and pound specialist, but when he lost it he lost it fast because he never evolved from more then a ground and pound guy.

Brock is already 32 years old and nothing more then a ground and pound specialist. Unless he starts training every day in Mua Thai, BJJ, or something like Sambo he is going to reach the same fate as Tito but much sooner. From all the fights we have seen with Brock he doesn't look for anything else but then again we already stated that he is not the most intelligent guy in the world. Just the bigger and stronger fighter of the heavyweights in the UFC

That's a good theory, but the problem lies in someone actually stopping it. Brock is huge. He's ridiculously strong. His wrestling is elite. Plus he can pack a knockout punch. Sure he has weaknesses, his stand up, lack of experience and so on. I just don't see anyone who will be able to hang if he gets them to the mat. Mir is a big guy with a decent all around game and he was killed. We'll see though.

[chitownmscle]

That's a good theory, but the problem lies in someone actually stopping it. Brock is huge. He's ridiculously strong. His wrestling is elite. Plus he can pack a knockout punch. Sure he has weaknesses, his stand up, lack of experience and so on. I just don't see anyone who will be able to hang if he gets them to the mat. Mir is a big guy with a decent all around game and he was killed. We'll see though.

Z I hope your right and I really do hope that Brock proves me wrong. I hope he becomes one of the most dominating heavyweight UFC champions of all time. I just think that once people learn how to defend and counter his offense that Brock is done for. He doesn't seem to know more then ground and pound. Again hope your right and I'm wrong on this one

[brd]

Lesnar's a tough fight for any heavy now or later. Obviously he is a big, strong dude and while he is lacking in overall skill at this juncture (sans wrestling/GNP of course), he uses that size very well and will get better at it. Once he on top, that's 260+ simply wearing the opponent down. Naturally with the wrestling background he has he understands leverage and how to use his size to grind folks out. What's scary is he is limited if you think about it. Once he learns the real art of the sport, that's frightening. The guy I see giving BL trouble is a big guy, quick, but with an absolute dynamite stand up game that can strike like no tomorrow and defend against Lesnar's takedowns (and quickness). That's the only way I see anyone beating this guy in the years ahead, minus a lucky submission, cut, or something along those lines....Sounds a lot like Fedor to me.....

[Plates]

Gonzaga :)

[cobra]

Z I hope your right and I really do hope that Brock proves me wrong. I hope he becomes one of the most dominating heavyweight UFC champions of all time. I just think that once people learn how to defend and counter his offense that Brock is done for. He doesn't seem to know more then ground and pound. Again hope your right and I'm wrong on this one

I don't know how you can learn to defend someone so big and strong. I mean, it's pretty clear I think to everyone that fights him what they NEED to do, which is stay on their feet and not get taken down and put in a vulnerable position to get mauled. BUT, no one can seem to get that plan into action.

[-Z-]

Gonzaga :)

lol

[lilfella]

That's a good theory, but the problem lies in someone actually stopping it. Brock is huge. He's ridiculously strong. His wrestling is elite. Plus he can pack a knockout punch. Sure he has weaknesses, his stand up, lack of experience and so on. I just don't see anyone who will be able to hang if he gets them to the mat. Mir is a big guy with a decent all around game and he was killed. We'll see though.
Truth.... The sad sad truth

[Plates]

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Watch and see

[Mirko Cro Cop]

If Gonzaga could KO Cro Cop, then he could definatly KO Lesnar.

[-Z-]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c268/MisFiTsPuNk138/My%20Heroes/GabrielGonzaga.jpg

Watch and see


If Gonzaga could KO Cro Cop, then he could definatly KO Lesnar.

Of coarse he could, ANYONE can be KOed. That doesn't mean it will happen though.

[dublin-lifter]

Lesner is a big gorilla. All he knows what to do is ground and pound. That's working for him now, but all someone has to do is get him in an armbar or kneebar, and he'll tap out like in the Mir fight. I'm waiting to see if Kimbo Slice will fight him.
lesnar would destroy kimbo slice
carwin has a very good chance against him do

[-Z-]

I think this is Brocks biggest test so far.

[Plates]

I'm going to watch more tape on Carwin before I make a prediction. But I agree in that this will be Lesnar's greatest challenge yet in regards to athleticism.