What drugs do figure athletes use?

[Diggy]

I know some use Anavar and clen. What else do these women use?

Inform me

[SallyAnne]

I guess it depends on the figure competitor. I've heard of everything from anavar to test.

[tammyp]

with the current look they are after, i dont really see why you would need AS. clen and anti estrogens would be enough.

[BigJD69]

T-3, 4, Clenbuterol, I've heard Primo, Var

[Sistersteel]

Figure girls are using everything. I've worked with quite a few and put together some very aggressive cycles for some figure girls out of Europe.
That was per their request too.

I am at the point where I really do not tell people what to do anymore. I simply listen to what it is they want to do and advise them on the best way to do it safely and effectively. I personally do not think any drugs are necessary for figure. But then again some light anavar and maybe primo can do wonders for a woman's physique. But it never stops at anavar unfortunately.

[Angela123]

depends on the person.. some use nothing...nothing at all...maybe some otc fat burner. others, ive heard some crazy shit...such as using test lol.

with the current criteria for US figure..they should use no aas!

those who use, it is usually...clen, anti-e (nolva), t3, tho clen is more commonly used than t3, anavar, winstrol...anavar way more commonly used than winstrol.
possible offseason one would be primo.

but again...for newbies...aas is not needed!

[red barraca]

hook up my girl friend npc figure clen t3 anavar

[Mufasa]

Let me run this by you, ladies. I'd like your thoughts.

Many trainers, (especially those who train Figure Competitors on the regional and national level), will tell you that AAS's are used to overcome an EXTREMELY difficult delimma (faced by both FBB's and Figure competitors):

Overcoming the need to lose fat stored often in the hips, buttocks and lower extremities with the need to put on upper body mass. (That coveted wide shoulders/V-taper).

The pic I've posted illustrates it clearly.

While this trainee may place in a contest at the Local High School...a national level contest (or even a regional one) would be out of the question.


Thoughts?




Mufasa

[Mufasa]

The "Winning Look"

(This is NOT meant to suggest in any form WHATSOEVER that Meriza uses AA'S. It's meant merely to show the winning look in Figure).



Mufasa

[Sistersteel]

Let me run this by you, ladies. I'd like your thoughts.

Many trainers, (especially those who train Figure Competitors on the regional and national level), will tell you that AAS's are used to overcome an EXTREMELY difficult delimma (faced by both FBB's and Figure competitors):

Overcoming the need to lose fat stored often in the hips, buttocks and lower extremities with the need to put on upper body mass. (That coveted wide shoulders/V-taper).

The pic I've posted illustrates it clearly.

While this trainee may place in a contest at the Local High School...a national level contest (or even a regional one) would be out of the question.


Thoughts?




Mufasa


Anti Es are best suited to assist with shedding that last bit of stubborn fat in the abdomen, hips, thighs and rear. As for AAS...let's go back to the basics. Gear's sole purpose was to preserve muscle mass on a calorie deficient diet. So there must be a solid foundation first and adequate development in order for you to sculpt the physique after shedding the bodyfat. (that is when the taper and development is most noticeable).

The female in the picture has no noticeable development. She just needs to have her
training and diet adjusted to help with whatever goals she wishes to attain. She does not need drugs to accomplish that. She has a good foundation to work with and she can make drastic changes to that body without ever having to touch AAS.

That is my personal opinion.

[Sistersteel]

The "Winning Look"

(This is NOT meant to suggest in any form WHATSOEVER that Meriza uses AA'S. It's meant merely to show the winning look in Figure).



Mufasa

The reason this is a winning look over the first picture is because this woman has development and is obviously conditioned. I have seen many women look like that without drugs, but everyone has to start somewhere!

[Mufasa]

SS:

Agree.

I posted the first one just to more dramatically illustrate the problem. She has a lot more things to do (like you pointed out) before considering ANY drugs.

One may not have appreciated it as much on a national level competitor faced with this common delimma.



Again; it was just for stark contrast and illustration.



Mufasa

[Sistersteel]

SS:

Agree.

I posted the first one just to more dramatically illustrate the problem. She has a lot more things to do (like you pointed out) before considering ANY drugs.

One may not have appreciated it as much on a national level competitor faced with this common delimma.



Again; it was just for stark contrast and illustration.


Mufasa

Its not necessarily a dilemma. A dilemma is a situation requiring a choice between equally undesirable alternatives, however she need not even worry about ever having to use AAS. She can build her body and improve her shape and diet down just fine and look phenomenal. I hope I did not read you wrong in regards to her dilemma. If I did, I apologize.

[Mufasa]

Not at all, SS!

To me, this is when Forums are at their best; when topics of interest are discussed!

I LOVE it!

(I don't like "gossip" and "hatin"!)

I think that I may have trown off the discussion with too stark of a contrast!

By the time you look at National Level Figure competitors, they are often well on their way to having good mass and shape; and there is a lot of "fine tuning".

About the delimma part? It often is a choice that is tough for the very driven and motivated competitor to "go to the dark side"...or (at least in THEIR minds), not reach the fullness of their potential.

I see it a lot!


Mufasa

[Sistersteel]

Not at all, SS!

To me, this is when Forums are at their best; when topics of interest are discussed!

I LOVE it!

(I don't like "gossip" and "hatin"!)

I think that I may have trown off the discussion with too stark of a contrast!

By the time you look at National Level Figure competitors, they are often well on their way to having good mass and shape; and there is a lot of "fine tuning".

About the delimma part? It often is a choice that is tough for the very driven and motivated competitor to "go to the dark side"...or (at least in THEIR minds), not reach the fullness of their potential.

I see it a lot!


Mufasa


Ah I see. The dark side. Well tis' the nature of the beast. All you can do is offer support and help her make an informed decision.

[Mufasa]

I am at the point where I really do not tell people what to do anymore. I simply listen to what it is they want to do and advise them on the best way to do it safely and effectively. I personally do not think any drugs are necessary for figure. But then again some light anavar and maybe primo can do wonders for a woman's physique. But it never stops at anavar unfortunately.


I like this approach, SS!


Mufasa

[Angela123]

The "Winning Look"

(This is NOT meant to suggest in any form WHATSOEVER that Meriza uses AA'S. It's meant merely to show the winning look in Figure).



Mufasa


with the new national level criteria, meriza's look could be too much. meriza looks great but even in the pro ranks, she sometimes get knocked down in points.

and showing a pic of a woman who looks as if she has never worked out compared to a pic of an IFBB pro is silly lol. also to compare a photo of a pro close to contest condition to a pic of a woman who is just average is another silly thing!

the average woman would definitly not need aas to achieve a stage look. she just needs to start lifting weights and wait for her muscles to mature and develop. cardio and diet would get her bodyfat in check, tho she doesnt look bad, i dont see lots of cellulite or pudge around her ass. she just has wide hips (which is her bone structure, u cant change that) in comparison to her upper body.

[Angela123]

Let me run this by you, ladies. I'd like your thoughts.

Many trainers, (especially those who train Figure Competitors on the regional and national level), will tell you that AAS's are used to overcome an EXTREMELY difficult delimma (faced by both FBB's and Figure competitors):

Overcoming the need to lose fat stored often in the hips, buttocks and lower extremities with the need to put on upper body mass. (That coveted wide shoulders/V-taper).

The pic I've posted illustrates it clearly.

While this trainee may place in a contest at the Local High School...a national level contest (or even a regional one) would be out of the question.


Thoughts?




Mufasa


and actually her pic is not an example of a extremely difficult situation where aas and anti e's r needed. my booty is crazy ba dunk a dunk and is much much fuller, it is where all my fat is stored, and ive dieted and competed in show in my past without aas and anti e's.

[Mufasa]

C'mon, guys!

It wasn't a COMPARISON; it was an ILLUSTRATION.

I don't have real good pics of an off-season National Level competitor stuggling with the same problem.

(I'm sure they are out there; I just don't have them).

The question that came up in the discussion was: "Why would figure competitors feel the need to use AA's"?


Anyhoo!

Great discussion!



Mufasa

[Mufasa]

and actually her pic is not an example of a extremely difficult situation where aas and anti e's r needed. my booty is crazy ba dunk a dunk and is much much fuller, it is where all my fat is stored, and ive dieted and competed in show in my past without aas and anti e's.


I've seen some amazing transformations by you, O!

You are a great example!


Mufasa

[Angela123]

I've seen some amazing transformations by you, O!

You are a great example!


Mufasa

thank you.


C'mon, guys!

It wasn't a COMPARISON; it was an ILLUSTRATION.

I don't have real good pics of an off-season National Level competitor stuggling with the same problem.

(I'm sure they are out there; I just don't have them).

The question that came up in the discussion was: "Why would figure competitors feel the need to use AA's"?


Anyhoo!

Great discussion!

Mufasa


ohh..plenty of offseason pix r out there..question is..do any of the women on this board want to post them up lol.

anywho...i think in the past more figure competitors felt the need to use aas bc figure had a different look then, but im hoping with the new criteria of figure, that women will not feel the need to use aas. this was a big part of the new criteria, they want a more marketable look for mainstream population and they want to get away from women using aas.

also...it seems so many people just dont want to wait lol. they want to do their first national show their first year of competing lol. or they pick up a weight for the first time in their life and they are determined to compete in 10 months.

also, many women listen to the wrong men. they need to not listen to men who do not know what they are doing! shit...just because a guy is half your size does not mean you do half of what they are doing. figure women taking test...crazy.

figure is in the same organization as bb and fbb...so many people assume they need to go to the lengths and extremes that fbb and bb do in order to compete in figure. but that is not the case. figure women should not be doing similar cycles that fbb use.

[Mufasa]

Makes a lot of sense, O!


Mufasa

[Mufasa]

thank you.




ohh..plenty of offseason pix r out there..question is..do any of the women on this board want to post them up lol.

anywho...i think in the past more figure competitors felt the need to use aas bc figure had a different look then, but im hoping with the new criteria of figure, that women will not feel the need to use aas. this was a big part of the new criteria, they want a more marketable look for mainstream population and they want to get away from women using aas.

also...it seems so many people just dont want to wait lol. they want to do their first national show their first year of competing lol. or they pick up a weight for the first time in their life and they are determined to compete in 10 months.

also, many women listen to the wrong men. they need to not listen to men who do not know what they are doing! shit...just because a guy is half your size does not mean you do half of what they are doing. figure women taking test...crazy.

figure is in the same organization as bb and fbb...so many people assume they need to go to the lengths and extremes that fbb and bb do in order to compete in figure. but that is not the case. figure women should not be doing similar cycles that fbb use.



I can't find it now, O...but somewhere someone had posted an early National Figure line-up and put it beside one of the 80's/Early 90's FBB line ups (I remember it had Anga Langer and Cory in it).


The early 2000's figure line up was larger and more ripped!

(I have to see if I can find that pic).



Mufasa

[GirlyMuscle]

I can't find it now, O...but somewhere someone had posted an early National Figure line-up and put it beside one of the 80's/Early 90's FBB line ups (I remember it had Anga Langer and Cory in it).


The early 2000's figure line up was larger and more ripped!

(I have to see if I can find that pic).



Mufasa
Isn't that why they came out with the bikini class?

[Mufasa]

Isn't that why they came out with the bikini class?


..and $$$$$...!


Mufasa

[Suzanne]

with the current look they are after, i dont really see why you would need AS. clen and anti estrogens would be enough.

totally agree

i don't think thy need clen or anti-e's either

people are too much in a rush to go from never been in a gym to the stage i don't get it
It takes time to build muscle
Proper nutrition and training are enough for comp prep

[lil mama]

:) Ah Ondrea...Ur such a sweetie and your so right...it does take time and we cant hurry the process in due time your body will respond with proper diet and nutrition mayb not as fast as we would like it too but we as women should always educate ourselves and be realistic as to what we put into our bodies and what the consequences might b if we choose to do so...it will always b up to that person and what route he or she chooses to take but whatever it may be, make sure you learn everything all the in's and outs. Much love to you Ondrea my Lil angel:).



thank you.




ohh..plenty of offseason pix r out there..question is..do any of the women on this board want to post them up lol.

anywho...i think in the past more figure competitors felt the need to use aas bc figure had a different look then, but im hoping with the new criteria of figure, that women will not feel the need to use aas. this was a big part of the new criteria, they want a more marketable look for mainstream population and they want to get away from women using aas.

also...it seems so many people just dont want to wait lol. they want to do their first national show their first year of competing lol. or they pick up a weight for the first time in their life and they are determined to compete in 10 months.

also, many women listen to the wrong men. they need to not listen to men who do not know what they are doing! shit...just because a guy is half your size does not mean you do half of what they are doing. figure women taking test...crazy.

figure is in the same organization as bb and fbb...so many people assume they need to go to the lengths and extremes that fbb and bb do in order to compete in figure. but that is not the case. figure women should not be doing similar cycles that fbb use.

[tammyp]

i think alot of girls rush into a show....it takes longer than a couple months training to get a nice V taper and the look of a figure girl. its not just abs and boobs! i think a good year of solid hard training, at least....but thats MHO>

[tammyp]

as a npc judge as well..i see alot of girls tiny tiny on top and wide hips and thick legs. the V is not ^!

[Mufasa]

as a npc judge as well..i see alot of girls tiny tiny on top and wide hips and thick legs. the V is not ^!


And this is at both the regional AND national level T?


I hope it didn't appear that I was saying one has to do drugs to be succesful in Figure. I was merely pointing out the reasons that are often given.

Time and hard work ARE the key; but we tend to be a VERY impatient society.


Mufasa

[tammyp]

i judge regionally. no i dont think anyone took it that way. i think alot of girls do it to get the muscle quick w/o putting the time into the gym.

[banger]

anavar, winny and clen.

[Suzanne]

as a npc judge as well..i see alot of girls tiny tiny on top and wide hips and thick legs. the V is not ^!

A lot of people really don't realize how much genetics plays in figure
you can't build a wide collar bone in the gym
figure they are looking for a genetic structure wide shoulder girdle teeny tiny waist

so even with very little muscle they have a v-taper

too many trainers aren't honest with clients and tell you that you aren't cut out to be a successful national level or pro figure athlete

some trainer use drugs in their figure athletes because they starve and cardio them too damn much and they wouldn't have an ounce of muscle left but if they had a trainer that knew nutrition for comp dieting they wouldn't need it

[Mufasa]

A lot of people really don't realize how much genetics plays in figure
you can't build a wide collar bone in the gym
figure they are looking for a genetic structure wide shoulder girdle teeny tiny waist

so even with very little muscle they have a v-taper

too many trainers aren't honest with clients and tell you that you aren't cut out to be a successful national level or pro figure athlete

some trainer use drugs in their figure athletes because they starve and cardio them too damn much and they wouldn't have an ounce of muscle left but if they had a trainer that knew nutrition for comp dieting they wouldn't need it



The criteria for Bikini should prove interesting.



Mufasa

[BadAssBarbie]

C'mon, guys!

It wasn't a COMPARISON; it was an ILLUSTRATION.

I don't have real good pics of an off-season National Level competitor stuggling with the same problem.

(I'm sure they are out there; I just don't have them).

The question that came up in the discussion was: "Why would figure competitors feel the need to use AA's"?


Anyhoo!

Great discussion!



Mufasa
If you want pics, I have some posted on my blog.
What are your thoughts on females using winstrol???

[Melissa]

As most have already said, based on the direction that figure is headed, there really is no need to use aas or even clen/t3, etc. You just don't need to be that muscular or even that hard (which is rather disappointing).

Last year was my first year competing on the national level (my 3rd year competing altogether). My feedback from Sandy and the judges was specifically that I was too hard and a little too muscular for the look they wanted in figure. Now, mind you, I am only 5'3 and weighed in at 110 lbs. Hardly a muscular freak. And I was completely natural...not even clen or t3. However, I worked with Dave and was up to 3 stinkin' hours of cardio per day (it's a shame to know that I probably could have done half that and maybe gotten a second look from the judges:p)

So, I'm more than willing to put my pride aside and attach some offseason pics of me from last year at 15 weeks out as well as at Jr. Nats. Not for nothing, but it seems to be a pretty reasonable example that with proper training and diet, a woman can successfully compete in figure without ANY aas or "illegal" fatburners. As for me staying in figure, well that's a whole other story....:eek:

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[sba220]

A lot of people really don't realize how much genetics plays in figure
you can't build a wide collar bone in the gym
figure they are looking for a genetic structure wide shoulder girdle teeny tiny waist

so even with very little muscle they have a v-taper

too many trainers aren't honest with clients and tell you that you aren't cut out to be a successful national level or pro figure athlete

some trainer use drugs in their figure athletes because they starve and cardio them too damn much and they wouldn't have an ounce of muscle left but if they had a trainer that knew nutrition for comp dieting they wouldn't need it


IMO, this is the most honest post on here. The current look requires exceptional genetics supported by a little training and a mediocre diet. You get a few girls that can creep into the top 5 in a class through sheer work and dedication, but for the most part, one is born with a great figure. Remember, bodybuilders must "build"; figure competitors present what they have.

And to address the question, AAS are of use to a figure competitor who does work. As Melissa pointed out, if she had the muscle sparing effects of clen or a-var she would have brought the same conditioning along with more muscle.

[sassy69]

Agreed... its very tight slice of a "look" and still continues to be based on minimal judging criteria.... basically who looks like the ideal NPC Barbie?

[banger]

i agree also, figure and bikini are all genetic's. i've too way to many show's and have seen a lot of beginners do well. fbb is the only choice for a women to truely test her conditioning. with that said only a fbb would need to use gearr. sticking with anavar, winny, clen and t3 will have very little side effects.especially if a girl is trying to look like a lady.

[sassy69]

i agree also, figure and bikini are all genetic's. i've too way to many show's and have seen a lot of beginners do well. fbb is the only choice for a women to truely test her conditioning. with that said only a fbb would need to use gearr. sticking with anavar, winny, clen and t3 will have very little side effects.especially if a girl is trying to look like a lady.


But you'd be damn surprised what people have once they strip away the fat & other shit, and spend a little time building up the muscle genetics that they have... Some people are just born w/ the perfect proportions & bodyfat distribution to just walk out & pull it off.. but I think way too many people cheat themselves because they have to put a little effort into seeing what God gave them to work with before going into "victim of my genetics" mode. I dont' think all the drugs are necessary, but that's not even a discussion to bother with until you've spent some time seeing what your body can do.

[Suzanne]

But you'd be damn surprised what people have once they strip away the fat & other shit, and spend a little time building up the muscle genetics that they have... Some people are just born w/ the perfect proportions & bodyfat distribution to just walk out & pull it off.. but I think way too many people cheat themselves because they have to put a little effort into seeing what God gave them to work with before going into "victim of my genetics" mode. I dont' think all the drugs are necessary, but that's not even a discussion to bother with until you've spent some time seeing what your body can do.

when i speak of genetics for figure i don't mean they don't need to spend time to build muscle etc

what i mean is if you don't have the genetics no matter what you do in the gym, diet, drugs etc you will not get a pro card or do well as a pro if someone with great genetic structure is on the stage next to you and trainers should be honest with their clients if the clients goal is to go pro and they don't have what it takes their trainer should not blow smoke up their ass should they tell them to quit No but should be honest on their chances

[sassy69]

when i speak of genetics for figure i don't mean they don't need to spend time to build muscle etc

what i mean is if you don't have the genetics no matter what you do in the gym, diet, drugs etc you will not get a pro card or do well as a pro if someone with great genetic structure is on the stage next to you and trainers should be honest with their clients if the clients goal is to go pro and they don't have what it takes their trainer should not blow smoke up their ass should they tell them to quit No but should be honest on their chances

Unfortunately in my experience, I'd say about 60% of the people in fitness are there for the money & only the money and will make their money by blowing sunshine up people's asses. For some people, that's actually all they're looking for.

I understand what you're saying, but its rarely like that. I.e. "perfect" genetics. I think it still takes some work to dial in. Do these people already have a solid base of athletic activity? Or did they just walk in off the street? I've seen people w/ some interesting genetics, but w/ the additional work of a couple years of building, the totally have generated an amazing physique.

[Mufasa]

Hey, guys!

Are we perhaps mixing up two separate issues with our arguments?

In other words:

Are we talking about building the best physique one can build; "being the best one can be"? If so, I think we ALL can agree that we've seen some amazing transformations and some ladies whom have built some amazing physiques without anabolics.

On the other hand, that amazing physique MAY or may NOT translate into being competitive on the regional or national Figure stage.

I also have to echo what I've read Sassy and Tammy write many times before; one needs to put in the solid time and work on their training AND diet before they pull out the "its my genetics" card.


Again...great discussion!


Mufasa

[Suzanne]

Unfortunately in my experience, I'd say about 60% of the people in fitness are there for the money & only the money and will make their money by blowing sunshine up people's asses. For some people, that's actually all they're looking for.



Totally agree!




I also have to echo what I've read Sassy and Tammy write many times before; one needs to put in the solid time and work on their training AND diet before they pull out the "its my genetics" card.


and before they use drugs. if figure people put in some time there is really no need for drugs. Everyone want to get on the stage NOW do nationals level NOW get their pro card NOW

[Mufasa]

If you want pics, I have some posted on my blog.
What are your thoughts on females using winstrol???

Babs:

I would have to defer this question to Sassy.

As the saying goes; Sassy probably has FORGOTTEN more information than most of us have learned!


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[sassy69]

Women use var & winstrol all the time. My thoughts on it -- its a crapshoot using it.. its called the "snakebite drug" because it works great for some, bad for others. It is androgenic and can cause many of those sides that you hear about - acne, hairloss, voice cracking... but depends on dosing & your own body.. its so hard to say what will be "ok" and what won't. That's why anavar is recommended most often because it doesn't convert to estrogen (no / little water retention), no hairloss, acne occassionally, nice, maintainable gains (i.e. you don't blow up & then shrink as soon as you are off), etc. Winstrol is probably recommended more often by guys from their own experience / knowledge of it from a guy's standpoint - it doesn't convert, is known as a good cutter (tho u can build or cut on whatever, driven by your diet), is androgenic which promotes not so much muscle building as tightness.

[Erin]

As most have already said, based on the direction that figure is headed, there really is no need to use aas or even clen/t3, etc. You just don't need to be that muscular or even that hard (which is rather disappointing).

Last year was my first year competing on the national level (my 3rd year competing altogether). My feedback from Sandy and the judges was specifically that I was too hard and a little too muscular for the look they wanted in figure. Now, mind you, I am only 5'3 and weighed in at 110 lbs. Hardly a muscular freak. And I was completely natural...not even clen or t3. However, I worked with Dave and was up to 3 stinkin' hours of cardio per day (it's a shame to know that I probably could have done half that and maybe gotten a second look from the judges:p)

So, I'm more than willing to put my pride aside and attach some offseason pics of me from last year at 15 weeks out as well as at Jr. Nats. Not for nothing, but it seems to be a pretty reasonable example that with proper training and diet, a woman can successfully compete in figure without ANY aas or "illegal" fatburners. As for me staying in figure, well that's a whole other story....:eek:

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Wow. I think you look GREAT! That is what I think figure is. Very, very discouraging if you were told you were too muscular. I LOVE the level of muscularity you have! Don't bring it down for the sake of staying in figure. You look amazing!!

[Melissa]

Wow. I think you look GREAT! That is what I think figure is. Very, very discouraging if you were told you were too muscular. I LOVE the level of muscularity you have! Don't bring it down for the sake of staying in figure. You look amazing!!

Thanks for the compliment, Erin. That's really sweet! And, believe me, I have no intention of bring myself down more to stay in figure. After Jr. Nats last year I decided to switch to bb for this year. I haven't even competed yet (and have a long way to go before I start my diet), but I'm loving the switch already:D

[gonneke]

It Looks Very Good Melissa .
Succes with your goal in the BB!

[Melissa]

It Looks Very Good Melissa .
Succes with your goal in the BB!

Thanks girl! :)

[Colette Nelson]

Thanks girl! :)

Nice Glutes. :eek:

[Melissa]

Nice Glutes. :eek:

Why thank you! I can only hope they're even nicer come November:D When I grow up, I want striated glutes like someone else we know;)

[Fit_5"3]

I've seen girls take GH, Anavar, Clen & Nolv and look great.
I've seen them on Winstrol, deca and test and :eek: (as far as the ones I've seen). More often than not, the girls I know who take the test/deca are given it by boyfriends who powerlift or bb; not someone versed in figure. And, unfortunately, the doses are usually off when they are taking fouled up stax. :eek:

[sassy69]

I've seen girls take GH, Anavar, Clen & Nolv and look great.
I've seen them on Winstrol, deca and test and :eek: (as far as the ones I've seen). More often than not, the girls I know who take the test/deca are given it by boyfriends who powerlift or bb; not someone versed in figure. And, unfortunately, the doses are usually off when they are taking fouled up stax. :eek:

This is the scariest part- even the best intentions, based on "what guys use" will F up a girl in a heartbeat. This is where I get militant about the ladies educating THEMSELVES before going w/ "Oh my bf really knows about this stuff.. he wouldn't let me take anythign that would hurt me".... um... yea... even the best intentions w/o knowledge behind it will F you up.

[~Dayna~]

with the current look they are after, i dont really see why you would need AS. clen and anti estrogens would be enough. ......

i think alot of girls rush into a show....it takes longer than a couple months training to get a nice V taper and the look of a figure girl. its not just abs and boobs! i think a good year of solid hard training, at least....but thats MHO>
I agree completely also from personal experience I think it takes women a couple of good goes at dieting to get reallly lean in the legs/butt.

[Fit_5"3]

This is the scariest part- even the best intentions, based on "what guys use" will F up a girl in a heartbeat. This is where I get militant about the ladies educating THEMSELVES before going w/ "Oh my bf really knows about this stuff.. he wouldn't let me take anythign that would hurt me".... um... yea... even the best intentions w/o knowledge behind it will F you up.

Word, word, word. Could not agree more!

[ms.karen]

as a npc judge as well..i see alot of girls tiny tiny on top and wide hips and thick legs. the V is not ^!

ROTFLMAO!! OMG, how many times have I been sitting in the audience wondering if some of the competitors misunderstood what was being judged. Its not a badonka-donk butt contest! I've seen some butts that were as wide as the back of my dually! :eek:

"the V is not ^!" This explanation needs to be REQUIRED on every local NPC entry form!

[Fit_5"3]

Is there a supp that will make my boob grow? :p
I've lost them all and I know I need some for my figure show in May! I'll have to add an extra pad in each cup of my suit!
I do have a proper V, just no boob to help out!


As for the winnie like some ppl asked, with today's judging, I was told that because winnie rips and really dries you, it's not ideal for figure. Just relaying what I was told.

[sassy69]

Is there a supp that will make my boob grow? :p
I've lost them all and I know I need some for my figure show in May! I'll have to add an extra pad in each cup of my suit!
I do have a proper V, just no boob to help out!


As for the winnie like some ppl asked, with today's judging, I was told that because winnie rips and really dries you, it's not ideal for figure. Just relaying what I was told.

I know a few girls who went from natural D's to A's w/ competition prep and then ended up buying their way back to D's. Its the ultimate irony of women's physique competition - you have to look lean but feminine,... "boobs" = feminine.. "boobs" = bodyfat... lean = less bodyfat = less boobs = "less" feminine.... Its a losing battle. I know one bodybuilder/ trainer who, when girls asked how their physiques looked for figure, the first thing he'd tell them is "you have to get implants"... Kinda sucks, not necessarily true, but on the surface, it appears to be.

As far as winny -- I think the main point is that for the figure look today, if you feel you "have" to use chemical enhancement to get there, probably your diet & training program or prep time are not sufficient. I will give you that it often does take more than one round of contest prep to condition your body to operate at a lower bodyfat level, primarily to get past that hump of leaning out the traditionally estrogen-driven bodyfat areas like ass / hips. But that then would lead me to tell newb competitors to invest the time to establish a base of muscle so the prep time is spent in conditioning appropriately instead trying to maintain what little muscle is barely there because they actually just started training 6 months ago. I.e. think in terms of years, and not months in "the season".

For a national level show, I still think you're going to see lots of drug use for that extra edge to dial in, but it still falls to the crapshoot that is judging when trying to arrive w/ what they are looking for... more lean, more fat.. who knows. You can probably bet that if you are "ripped", you won't do well. Here, the irony then becomes that you could probably go out & shitload the nite before & come in perfectly.

[AlonePowers]

i think alot of girls rush into a show....it takes longer than a couple months training to get a nice V taper and the look of a figure girl. its not just abs and boobs! i think a good year of solid hard training, at least....but thats MHO>
I agree. some of these girls shoud wait to compete.Its great they diet down and made a transformation. But they should bring a contest shape worthy of bodybuilding standard in order to compete. Ive been to some regional shows(Bev's show in particular) and I ask in bewilderment :eek:"who told these girls they could go on stage with all that junk in the trunk?":confused:

[Allifit]

i agree. Some of these girls shoud wait to compete.its great they diet down and made a transformation. But they should bring a contest shape worthy of bodybuilding standard in order to compete. Ive been to some regional shows(bev's show in particular) and i ask in bewilderment :eek:"who told these girls they could go on stage with all that junk in the trunk?":confused:

lmao...

[sassy69]

I agree. some of these girls shoud wait to compete.Its great they diet down and made a transformation. But they should bring a contest shape worthy of bodybuilding standard in order to compete. Ive been to some regional shows(Bev's show in particular) and I ask in bewilderment :eek:"who told these girls they could go on stage with all that junk in the trunk?":confused:


You do need to start somewhere ... my first show I was calipered at 8.6% 4 weeks out from my show & my trainer just stopped bothering doing it anymore after that. I was the leanest I'd ever been in my life, already had 20 yrs of lifting on me, though not all necessarily geared towards BB competition. Mostly I wasn't conditioned enough, but for what I knew and where my trainer had taken me, this was the best package I had to bring to that particular stage. Each show I've done since I've improved on something but not necessarily nailed it. It is a learning process.. but its really frustrating for me to see girls who are like "I've been lifting for 10 months..." when I lifted for 20 yrs before I even knew there were local BB shows... the timeframe reference is so very different, so th eepectations are different... I think its important to set the long-term plan in place instead of "this season".

But at the same time, you generally compete "for yourself" which means you can come to the stage w/ any of several different goals. For some, its enough to get on the stage & acknowledge a goal met. With more experience you start to look for the higher placings and feedback on specific improvements you've made. And some people are simply clueless. So you have to sit thru all of it at regoinal shows. Even at national shows you see stuff like the one girl who showed up to the local show & "won", so now is qualified for a national show, but isn't necessarily national level quality. But these are weeded out quickly between the AM & PM shows.

Its a weird sport we're in. No clear path "up", but also accessible to most anyone who wants it.

[Skeptic]

I think its important to set the long-term plan in place instead of "this season".

Agreed. A 10 year plan makes sense to me. But then I'm verrrrrrry old. ;-)


at the same time, you generally compete "for yourself"

This is why I have always had a lingering unease with BBing. You can compete with others, you can compete with your former self, but to compete "for" yourself is twisting the language. The second you get up on stage it's game on.

[esplendido]

Here's the wife as a figure competitor, 5'-2", 113lbs, no drugs, no fat burners.
Second picture, 18 months later with bodybuilding training and diet, clen and T3 and 1IU GH for the preceding 12 weeks, 110 lbs. Genetics is everything and she was always destined for BBing.

[sassy69]

Agreed. A 10 year plan makes sense to me. But then I'm verrrrrrry old. ;-)



This is why I have always had a lingering unease with BBing. You can compete with others, you can compete with your former self, but to compete "for" yourself is twisting the language. The second you get up on stage it's game on.

I think what I was trying to say is .. why do I (personally) put myself thru the craziness of competition prep, and continue to hit the gym every day, year after year after year? Because I like it & it challenges me. I don't do it because I'm looking for a career in fitness & these wins or a pro card will look good on my resume. I'm fairly accomplished already in my day job. In fact it generally looks like professional female body building is one of the most thankless pursuits on the planet. So why do we keep coming back to pursue the trophies? Because it gives me a place to move up the work I do in the gym anyway. It makes me feel good, I like doing it and its a sense of accomplishment. That makes it "for myself". Anything I get from actual competition is just icing on the cake.

[SoreButtCheeks]

the ladies who run my gym are very keen on Arimidex and Femara.

[Allifit]

the ladies who run my gym are very keen on Arimidex and Femara.
never heard of the second one......

[sassy69]

never heard of the second one......

Femara, or letrozole, is another aromatase inhibitor that would be used to deal w/ estrogen from aromatizing AAS. Like other AI's its primary medical purpose is in the treatment of post-menopausal breast cancer patients.

http://www.femara.com/home.jsp?m=2

[softballap25]

Honestly, I am shocked when reading some of the threads on here about taking steroids for a figure competition. How dumb. If you do do steroids make sure you want to do it for yourself and to not win a competition because there will be girls who beat you clean. I just won my class this year at the musclecontest class E. Now, I am not the leanest, or biggest or even have the best hourglass shape, but i've spent 10 years lifting and eating right year round and I refuse to believe I can't do what you do on steroids.

[sassy69]

Honestly, I am shocked when reading some of the threads on here about taking steroids for a figure competition. How dumb. If you do do steroids make sure you want to do it for yourself and to not win a competition because there will be girls who beat you clean. I just won my class this year at the musclecontest class E. Now, I am not the leanest, or biggest or even have the best hourglass shape, but i've spent 10 years lifting and eating right year round and I refuse to believe I can't do what you do on steroids.

Congrats to you both for your finish and your years of lifting. Sadly the sport suffers from two things:
- as these new categories w/ lower barriers to entry than traditional bodybuilding are added, the coaches from the bodybuilding days, who leverage all the tools of the bodybuilding days, are applying them to their clients.
- as the new categories w/ lower barriers to entry are added, the focus switches from the need for years of training to more like a 'season' of training -so the mental timeframe is much shorter and driver is 'getting on stage fast'. So again, the temptation to use the chemical knowledge available - but conveniently forgetting the part about years of training & diet discipline first. Immediate gratification baby.

Broad generalizations but IMO definitely valid observations. May not cover every individual's situation, but definitely common.

[figuregirl]

I've been seriously (competition) training for almost 3 years now (began lifting 10+ yrs ago), and the past year started with Clen/T3 and anavar. I'm looking for off season info to really grow my upper body over the next year or more...also, any rec on where I can find a really good nutrition coach that will work with AS?

[sassy69]

I've been seriously (competition) training for almost 3 years now (began lifting 10+ yrs ago), and the past year started with Clen/T3 and anavar. I'm looking for off season info to really grow my upper body over the next year or more...also, any rec on where I can find a really good nutrition coach that will work with AS?

Are you looking for a coach recommendation or an AAS recommendation. The AAS "recommendation " - you can do a lot of your own research right here on the FemChem forum.