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lactic acid is lactic acid, isn't it?
freebirdmac
01-17-2010, 01:26 PM
What they're concerned about it muscle loss as light weight isn't challenging them and telling your body to hold onto muscle.
Bob45
01-17-2010, 01:32 PM
lactic acid is lactic acid, isn't it?
Not what you are looking for. I work on things overhead and my arms burn like hell from lactic acid. Some people can do it all day long like the beautiful girl that cuts my hair. You had good strong workouts. I would keep doing those.
Would like to see proof of the contention that higher reps causes muscle loss. Thought old school guys did that when cutting
buckimscl
01-17-2010, 01:59 PM
Sometimes experience is the toughest teacher. Would hate to see you do that and lose hard fought for and gained muscle mass. John Hansen who was the Natural O advocated refining type moves pre contest to bring out those smaller muscle groups but still practiced a hybrid version of HIT/Volume. He has a damn fine physique.
Bob45
01-17-2010, 02:11 PM
Would like to see proof of the contention that higher reps causes muscle loss. Thought old school guys did that when cutting
High reps and circuit training are totally different though. If you want to do 40 rep squats to failure than you sure won't lose muscle. If you are not resting and using light weights to burn yourself out it is different. High reps are brutal if you do them with rest and go all out.
Got it guys! I had it mixed up
joedemarco
01-17-2010, 03:30 PM
I agree. Don't stop lifting heavy and switch to some other form of training such as circuit / high rep. It's OK to once in a while, but stick to training heavy or like you have been.
Heavy training, ie... squats / deads will stimulate your GH and test production.
Agreed! Hard and heavy right to the end! That's how you maintain muscle mass when prepping for a show.
I will keep doing my so called heavy training!
blu2xtreme
01-17-2010, 06:31 PM
I will keep doing my so called heavy training!
No more circuit for either then I want big shoulders coach -
Bring it on hard and heavy from now on ...I can handle it
can't figure out what circuit training is for...not good for bulking, not good for cutting.
freebirdmac
01-17-2010, 08:15 PM
can't figure out what circuit training is for...not good for bulking, not good for cutting.
Circuit training doesn't always mean lighter weight/high reps.
i did not imply that in my wanting to do circuit training but everyone took it to mean that.
I do think you would have to go lighter in most cases due to the nature of it
my only complaint on this diet change I just implemented: constipation
I was getting 40-45 g of fiber before
Now I am getting 10 or so...I am taking 5 psyllium husks twice a day and that gives me 4 g. Other than that, hardly any.
blu2xtreme
01-17-2010, 08:33 PM
Are you drinking enough water ?
Like lots and lots
Bob45
01-17-2010, 08:43 PM
Maybe there is nothing to poop out, haha. I think the veges help there. The low calorie one's you can eat.
AnglicanBeachParty
01-17-2010, 10:04 PM
can't figure out what circuit training is for...not good for bulking, not good for cutting.
That's what I think. Not good for anything related to bodybuilding.
Baldiewonkanobi
01-17-2010, 10:08 PM
High reps and circuit training are totally different though. If you want to do 40 rep squats to failure than you sure won't lose muscle. If you are not resting and using light weights to burn yourself out it is different. High reps are brutal if you do them with rest and go all out.
^^^
Baldie
Are you drinking enough water ?
Like lots and lots
yes a lot...
Maybe there is nothing to poop out, haha. I think the veges help there. The low calorie one's you can eat.
i get 1 1/2 cups of veggies a day. so maybe 6 g of fiber
total of 10 a day, not even half of what i need to get
still no luck on the subject of going to the bathroom....if I don't go soon, I am going to feel pretty bad. 2 full days now. 8-10g of fiber is not doing me any good.
no wonder I am back above 190 again!
Baldiewonkanobi
01-18-2010, 06:39 AM
De hydration? Pop in a Dulcolax supository ASAP. Not as a habit mind you but a help to get back to reguarity. "More water please".
Baldie
Bob45
01-18-2010, 09:12 AM
yes a lot...
i get 1 1/2 cups of veggies a day. so maybe 6 g of fiber
total of 10 a day, not even half of what i need to get
I'm pretty sure veges take more calories to digest than you consume. I used to eat a whole head of lettuce when I didn't have many carbs. I'm sure there are a lot better choices but the lettuce went down. Hopefully you will go today. Did you tell the person that gave you the diet?
blu2xtreme
01-18-2010, 09:24 AM
De hydration? Pop in a Dulcolax supository ASAP. Not as a habit mind you but a help to get back to reguarity. "More water please".
Baldie
That will do the trick for sure
Have a great Monday
Hope your problem resolves its self
De hydration? Pop in a Dulcolax supository ASAP. Not as a habit mind you but a help to get back to reguarity. "More water please".
Baldie
another thing to buy! shit (literally)
I am drinking tons of water Baldie...at least a gallon a day. 3 24 oz protein shakes alone.
I'm pretty sure veges take more calories to digest than you consume. I used to eat a whole head of lettuce when I didn't have many carbs. I'm sure there are a lot better choices but the lettuce went down. Hopefully you will go today. Did you tell the person that gave you the diet?
I will tell them.
That will do the trick for sure
Have a great Monday
Hope your problem resolves its self
I am going to get pretty cranky if it doesn't!
Bob45
01-18-2010, 09:30 AM
I am going to get pretty cranky if it doesn't!
Don't push too hard then other fun things happen.
I walked 2 miles in this morning, and then had a unique db leg day....I did do circuit but I rested between and used normal weight amounts for all exercises.
3 x through:
DB Squats, 100 in each hand: 10
Lateral step ups, 75 lber on thigh on bench: 20 each leg
Stationary db lunges, 55lbs in each hand: 12 each leg
Plie squats holding a 75lber: 15
Bulgarian split squat holding 55 in each hand: 10
I loved it, felt very intense. I rested at least 45 seconds between exercises.
then 30 minutes of cardio
will walk 2.5 miles home after work
freebirdmac
01-18-2010, 09:33 AM
Who did your diet? You'll have to supplement fiber, 10g is not enough.
Don't push too hard then other fun things happen.
I won't ask!
Who did your diet? You'll have to supplement fiber, 10g is not enough.
I will pm him.
I take 10 psyillium husks a day, but that only gives 4g.
Fiber supplements really don't have much fiber in them, I know...I checked at the pharmacy!
freebirdmac
01-18-2010, 09:45 AM
I will pm him.
I take 10 psyillium husks a day, but that only gives 4g.
Fiber supplements really don't have much fiber in them, I know...I checked at the pharmacy!
He should have a remedy. And Ducolax like Baldy said is a good temporary remedy. It's what my doc had me take after a c-section. Oral version however :)
joedemarco
01-18-2010, 10:18 AM
Morning, Mike. We have some more snow for you today here in New England! Just finished the morning shoveling. Now there's a workout...lol.
He should have a remedy. And Ducolax like Baldy said is a good temporary remedy. It's what my doc had me take after a c-section. Oral version however :)
oral for me too...just because
Morning, Mike. We have some more snow for you today here in New England! Just finished the morning shoveling. Now there's a workout...lol.
snow, what's that?
listen to Homer, I know how he feels!
YouTube- Me so hungy....
Baldiewonkanobi
01-18-2010, 11:07 AM
Oral = tomorrow :mad:
Suppository = 1/2 hour :)
Your call Homer.
Water seems just fine.
Dr. Baldie
Asmolenski
01-18-2010, 11:45 AM
I walked 2 miles in this morning, and then had a unique db leg day....I did do circuit but I rested between and used normal weight amounts for all exercises.
3 x through:
DB Squats, 100 in each hand: 10
Lateral step ups, 75 lber on thigh on bench: 20 each leg
Stationary db lunges, 55lbs in each hand: 12 each leg
Plie squats holding a 75lber: 15
Bulgarian split squat holding 55 in each hand: 10
I loved it, felt very intense. I rested at least 45 seconds between exercises.
then 30 minutes of cardio
will walk 2.5 miles home after work
Great job Mike!
Heavy Weights + High Intensity + Short Rest Periods = Lactic Acid + Cortisol + Growth Hormone + Testosterone = Anabolic Growth and Fat Burn
You mention 30 minutes cardio -- HIIT? You will be burning fat for the next 72 hours to recover from a workout like this.
Regarding constipation - call me if you want to go over some other options.
Dr Smo
Bob45
01-18-2010, 01:15 PM
I walked 2 miles in this morning, and then had a unique db leg day....I did do circuit but I rested between and used normal weight amounts for all exercises.
3 x through:
DB Squats, 100 in each hand: 10
Lateral step ups, 75 lber on thigh on bench: 20 each leg
Stationary db lunges, 55lbs in each hand: 12 each leg
Plie squats holding a 75lber: 15
Bulgarian split squat holding 55 in each hand: 10
I loved it, felt very intense. I rested at least 45 seconds between exercises.
then 30 minutes of cardio
will walk 2.5 miles home after work
Looks great Mike!
Don't know how to tell you how I know, but my love handles are almost gone on the sides...lower back is still pretty squishy
food today so far
2 eggs, carton of egg whites
2 scoops whey, 1 tbsp of natural pb
2 small cans tuna, 1/2 cup broccoli
2 scoops of whey, 1/4 c of cashews
me so hungy
will have
6 oz chicken and 1c green beans
2 scoops of whey
later.
took 1 dulcolax pill...it said 1-3.
waiting for the games to begin later.
DBowden
01-18-2010, 07:28 PM
food today so far
2 eggs, carton of egg whites
2 scoops whey, 1 tbsp of natural pb
2 small cans tuna, 1/2 cup broccoli
2 scoops of whey, 1/4 c of cashews
me so hungy
will have
6 oz chicken and 1c green beans
2 scoops of whey
later.
Damn gman,
How many calories do you intake a day?
I reckon that's about 1850, plus I have 8 fish oil pills which adds 80 calories...so about 1900-1950
HeavyDutyGuy
01-18-2010, 08:44 PM
Looks great Mike! Nice intensity, volume abd thoroughness. With the excption of the fiber thing.. Veggies should give you enough, no? Maybe some whole (not the dyed commercial crap) grains? We like 7 grain bread. A couple slices and were fibered up for the day.. Lol
blu2xtreme
01-18-2010, 09:15 PM
took 1 dulcolax pill...it said 1-3.
waiting for the games to begin later.
You took those and you walk home 2 miles
you are a brave man:hypno:
You took those and you walk home 2 miles
you are a brave man:hypno:
I like taking chances:p
freebirdmac
01-18-2010, 09:23 PM
You took those and you walk home 2 miles
you are a brave man:hypno:
It'd be some real cardio rushing home :D
I only took one....
and it said 6-12 hours lead time...took it at 4pm, so figured I was pretty safe on the walk...I was right, as always.
blu2xtreme
01-18-2010, 09:25 PM
I only took one....
and it said 6-12 hours lead time...took it at 4pm, so figured I was pretty safe on the walk...I was right, as always.
You are always right :)
freebirdmac
01-18-2010, 09:31 PM
Yes, it's mild stuff. It's not a product that results in forceful evacuation :)
blu2xtreme
01-18-2010, 09:33 PM
Yes, it's mild stuff. It's not a product that results in forceful evacuation :)
I almost choked on my coffee :D
We sure cover all aspects of the human body in this Thread
Bob45
01-18-2010, 09:44 PM
Morning, Mike. We have some more snow for you today here in New England! Just finished the morning shoveling. Now there's a workout...lol.
Us too. I should have put that in my journal.
Don't know how to tell you how I know, but my love handles are almost gone on the sides...lower back is still pretty squishy
Sounds good!
Yes, it's mild stuff. It's not a product that results in forceful evacuation :)
There's a picture.
moving on....
My older son told me he is between 175-180 right now, meaning he is only 10-15 lbs lighter than I am, and he is 2" taller.
His old man is going to embarrass the boy.
The laxative did not work very well, a little but not much...maybe Bob is right, maybe there just isn't much leftover. I am eating very little solid food now.
Anyhow, I did weigh and measure on my official day.
Weight: 190.0 (down 3 lbs from last tuesday! one of my best weeks so far)
Neck: 17
Shoulders: 48 3/4
Chest: 42
Waist: 35 1/2
Hips: 38 1/4
Thigh: 23 1/4
calf flexed: 16 5/8
bicep flexed: 15 7/8
forearm flexed: 13 1/8
many of these are the smallest I have ever been (I have been down to this weight once before, but I look better now than then)
It is a reality check to keep losing size in areas you thought weren't fat, like thighs, calves and biceps
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 05:54 AM
Great job Mike!!!
Baldiewonkanobi
01-19-2010, 06:03 AM
189.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Your on are the move WTG. Did you know that Arnold weighed 139 once? True. Well of course...he was 13.
Baldie
buckimscl
01-19-2010, 06:44 AM
Good job Gman
Bob45
01-19-2010, 08:44 AM
The laxative did not work very well, a little but not much...maybe Bob is right, maybe there just isn't much leftover. I am eating very little solid food now.
Anyhow, I did weigh and measure on my official day.
Weight: 190.0 (down 3 lbs from last tuesday! one of my best weeks so far)
Neck: 17
Shoulders: 48 3/4
Chest: 42
Waist: 35 1/2
Hips: 38 1/4
Thigh: 23 1/4
calf flexed: 16 5/8
bicep flexed: 15 7/8
forearm flexed: 13 1/8
many of these are the smallest I have ever been (I have been down to this weight once before, but I look better now than then)
It is a reality check to keep losing size in areas you thought weren't fat, like thighs, calves and biceps
In other words you aren't sure if you are full of shit or not? It is amazing how fat can make you so much bigger in areas you thought didn't look fat. My arms are 18" pumped having a high BF. They would be around 16-16.5 lean. My Xlarge T shirts are tight in the chest. Wouldn't it be nice to just shrink the waist and lower back?
blu2xtreme
01-19-2010, 08:59 AM
Great Job Mike ...your abs have to be close to showing
I'm sure we will get a pic update as soon as they do:)
AnglicanBeachParty
01-19-2010, 09:11 AM
It is amazing how fat can make you so much bigger in areas you thought didn't look fat. My arms are 18" pumped having a high BF. They would be around 16-16.5 lean. My Xlarge T shirts are tight in the chest. Wouldn't it be nice to just shrink the waist and lower back?
So true! For my first contest, my arms were just over 16" cold, at high bodyfat. On contest day, they were something like 14.5". And yet I got comments from guys in the gym the last two weeks before the contest about how big my arms looked. I just had to laugh.
Bob45
01-19-2010, 09:20 AM
So true! For my first contest, my arms were just over 16" cold, at high bodyfat. On contest day, they were something like 14.5". And yet I got comments from guys in the gym the last two weeks before the contest about how big my arms looked. I just had to laugh.
They do look so much better cut. I would rather take the 1.5 inches off any day for a cut arm.
Great job Mike!!!
Thanks, Pam...it's coming together nicely!
189.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Your on are the move WTG. Did you know that Arnold weighed 139 once? True. Well of course...he was 13.
Baldie
Funny story, I weighed 190.8 then got off the scale and did measurements. I then had to pee again...so I did. I then weighed 190.0. I rationalized the lower weight because I never left the bathroom!
Good job Gman
Thanks, Bucki
In other words you aren't sure if you are full of shit or not? It is amazing how fat can make you so much bigger in areas you thought didn't look fat. My arms are 18" pumped having a high BF. They would be around 16-16.5 lean. My Xlarge T shirts are tight in the chest. Wouldn't it be nice to just shrink the waist and lower back?
I am full of shit always, Bob. It would be nice to get the lower back to go away!
I fit pretty comfortably in medium shirts now.
Great Job Mike ...your abs have to be close to showing
I'm sure we will get a pic update as soon as they do:)
When I see abs, you will be the first to know!
So true! For my first contest, my arms were just over 16" cold, at high bodyfat. On contest day, they were something like 14.5". And yet I got comments from guys in the gym the last two weeks before the contest about how big my arms looked. I just had to laugh.
ABP, I spent months getting my arms from 16 to 17, now they aren't even 16"
As long as they look big, that's what counts.
They do look so much better cut. I would rather take the 1.5 inches off any day for a cut arm.
Me too...I like looking like I do now.
BTW, this is the highest weight I will allow myself to ever be again...190.0. after Columbus I will enforce it...if I ever go above 190, it's back on a diet again. I would prefer 180-185 as my walking around weight.
Bob45
01-19-2010, 09:30 AM
BTW, this is the highest weight I will allow myself to ever be again...190.0. after Columbus I will enforce it...if I ever go above 190, it's back on a diet again. I would prefer 180-185 as my walking around weight.
You better have a great maintenance plan in place if you don't plan on gaining it back quick. I remember gaining 15 pounds in a week! After being so strict so long you just want to go nuts eating. Well I did. I tend to over do everything.
You better have a great maintenance plan in place if you don't plan on gaining it back quick. I remember gaining 15 pounds in a week! After being so strict so long you just want to go nuts eating. Well I did. I tend to over do everything.
I have been warned over and over about it....I will stay on top of it!
AnglicanBeachParty
01-19-2010, 09:43 AM
You better have a great maintenance plan in place if you don't plan on gaining it back quick. I remember gaining 15 pounds in a week! After being so strict so long you just want to go nuts eating. Well I did. I tend to over do everything.
I gained 40 pounds in 2 months this last time. I could not believe it.
I still haven't figured out a long-term "maintenance" diet.
I have been told 10-15lbs the week after the show.
Holy hell!!
I guess the real good way to do it is waist size. As long as that is in your comfort zone, the weight doesn't really matter
joedemarco
01-19-2010, 09:55 AM
I have been told 10-15lbs the week after the show.
Holy hell!!
I guess the real good way to do it is waist size. As long as that is in your comfort zone, the weight doesn't really matter
When you really restrict yourself to make a weight class cut-off, 15 pounds isn't hard. This past September, I was 172 lbs on the Monday morning after my show...18 pounds! It's not always from pigging out...a lot of it has to do with re-hydrating your body, etc.
Bob45
01-19-2010, 10:12 AM
I actually looked better the next day since I didn't have a clue about the proper diet. A couple days of bad eating after sure won't hurt much. It's just that once you get started it's hard to stop. Like sex.
My before and after stats...just love doing this to see what I have accomplished
Weight: 190.0 (down 25)
Neck: 16 CORRECTION (-1")
Shoulders: 48 3/4 (-2 1/4)
Chest: 42 (-3 3/8)
Waist: 35 1/2 (-3 1/4)
Hips: 38 1/4 (-2 3/4)
Thigh: 23 1/4 (down 1 3/4)
calf flexed: 16 5/8 (down 3/8)
bicep flexed: 15 7/8 (down 7/8)
forearm flexed: 13 1/8 (down 5/8)
bodyhard
01-19-2010, 10:24 AM
The laxative did not work very well, a little but not much...maybe Bob is right, maybe there just isn't much leftover. I am eating very little solid food now.
Anyhow, I did weigh and measure on my official day.
Weight: 190.0 (down 3 lbs from last tuesday! one of my best weeks so far)
Neck: 17
Shoulders: 48 3/4
Chest: 42
Waist: 35 1/2
Hips: 38 1/4
Thigh: 23 1/4
calf flexed: 16 5/8
bicep flexed: 15 7/8
forearm flexed: 13 1/8
many of these are the smallest I have ever been (I have been down to this weight once before, but I look better now than then)
It is a reality check to keep losing size in areas you thought weren't fat, like thighs, calves and biceps
Way to go, man. Any idea what your bf % is?
Way to go, man. Any idea what your bf % is?
well, John, I had a dexascan when I saw Dr Smo before starting the cut. I was 20.1% at 215, meaning 172lbs lbm
If I haven't lost any lbm, I should have 18lbs of fat now, meaning I am just about 10%.
I think if I were really 10% I would have abs. I am guessing 12%
anyone want to go to Moe's with me?
Baldiewonkanobi
01-19-2010, 12:43 PM
Sure...but it will drain all my frequent fliers....:confused:
http://www.moesbarandgrill.com/
Baldie
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 12:48 PM
Sorry. Their food would make me ill :)
Sure...but it will drain all my frequent fliers....:confused:
http://www.moesbarandgrill.com/
Baldie
That's an even better Moe's... I was thinking of the burrito place!
Sorry. Their food would make me ill :)
Oh well...where could you go....I am starving!
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 01:05 PM
Oh well...where could you go....I am starving!
Only where I can get a steak without seasoning or marinades. We usually go to Outback and I get prime rib.
I have one about 200 yards from my office...and a Trader Joe's is over there too.
Food is so tempting...why do we need it!
buckimscl
01-19-2010, 01:12 PM
If you guys were close I would make some of my famous Flank Steak sauteed with red onions....:drool:
If you guys were close I would make some of my famous Flank Steak sauteed with red onions....:drool:
side of steak fries?
or would we be good and eat green salad with no dressing?
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 01:30 PM
side of steak fries?
or would we be good and eat green salad with no dressing?
I'd eat the steak, no onions and have a big sweet potato :)
You are so mean!
I could eat a whole bag of them right now. Butter and brown sugar
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 01:43 PM
We have to teach you how to pig out on good food! And not miss the ugly bad stuff :)
Well I did go to Outback Saturday night and had 6 oz steak (really about 3-4 oz) and double mixed veggies.
No bread!
I feel so empowered (NOT) lol
I really am starting to figure out that my body wants and needs more than 1900 calories...if it didn't I wouldn't be hungry! But for 6 more weeks have to be strong!
Very dad for me today, Robert B Parker passed away. He wrote the Spenser book series.
HeavyDutyGuy
01-19-2010, 07:11 PM
If you guys were close I would make some of my famous Flank Steak sauteed with red onions....:drool:
Damn, when's dinner?
Baldiewonkanobi
01-19-2010, 07:52 PM
We dropped by Woods BBQ near Six Flags here in So Cal and had shaved prime rib salad with balsamic vinegarette....hooo ha :drool:.
Baldie
yeah, baldie....sounds awesome!
I just had chicken and lettuce
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 08:16 PM
yeah, baldie....sounds awesome!
I just had chicken and lettuce
Don't feel bad Mike. I get to eat more than you, relatively speaking. But I never get to eat food like that anymore.
Don't feel bad Mike. I get to eat more than you, relatively speaking. But I never get to eat food like that anymore.
I know, you have it rough with all the allergies!
Don't drop your weight too fast.
Seems like it's time for a cheat day. One meal, whatever you want!
Don't drop your weight too fast.
Seems like it's time for a cheat day. One meal, whatever you want!
Maybe on Friday I will eat a little extra!
I flexed my abs, sucked in my abs, and no matter how I poked and prodded, could not even feel an ab muscle....I am starting to agree with those who say having a 6 pack is genetic.
esplendido
01-19-2010, 08:52 PM
I flexed my abs, sucked in my abs, and no matter how I poked and prodded, could not even feel an ab muscle....I am starting to agree with those who say having a 6 pack is genetic.
Bullhockey!
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 08:52 PM
I flexed my abs, sucked in my abs, and no matter how I poked and prodded, could not even feel an ab muscle....I am starting to agree with those who say having a 6 pack is genetic.
You doing lower rep/heavy ab work now?
Yes, I did 4 sets of cable crunches today as a matter of fact!
Bullhockey!
I am supposedly 10% bf and I can't even feel them poking my finger in to the first knuckle.
I guess it's just fat.
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 09:10 PM
It'll come together.
So how's the wife dealing with all of this? Getting more attention? Is she still losing?
It'll come together.
So how's the wife dealing with all of this? Getting more attention? Is she still losing?
she's still losing and is all of a sudden very nice to me...weird how that works sometimes!
freebirdmac
01-19-2010, 09:15 PM
she's still losing and is all of a sudden very nice to me...weird how that works sometimes!
Maybe this will turn a new leaf for both of you and reinvigorate your relationship.
blu2xtreme
01-19-2010, 09:16 PM
she's still losing and is all of a sudden very nice to me...weird how that works sometimes!
worked the opposite for me the better shape I got in the more he gained and the more controlling he got ...now that I am almost out the door he is finding a new fondness for my hard work ...a to little to late
buckimscl
01-20-2010, 06:32 AM
Checking in Mike
I flexed my abs, sucked in my abs, and no matter how I poked and prodded, could not even feel an ab muscle....I am starting to agree with those who say having a 6 pack is genetic.
Start doing HEAVY ab crunches on one side of cable crossovers with a rope. The abs are like any other muscle, they need heavy weight to get thicker.
I see you are already doing them. Do them heavy. It's not genetics. Everyone has abs.
I used to have a six pack, but I drank two of them, leaving me with 4.
Baldiewonkanobi
01-20-2010, 07:10 AM
worked the opposite for me the better shape I got in the more he gained and the more controlling he got ...now that I am almost out the door he is finding a new fondness for my hard work ...a to little to late
You are still in the door blu?
A fellow salesman at work has recently controlled his borderline Diabetis, dropped 40 pounds and looks/feels great. His previously chunkster wife has rebelled, added 50 more pounds and turned real nasty. Why do so many of my friends have to live with their mates lack of self esteem? People do grow apart. Saddens me. Glad my first marriage ended in my 20s so I had a long happy life ahead. My kids will tell you that looking back, life was better with a weekend stonger happier Dad.
Baldie
GirlyMuscle
01-20-2010, 08:06 AM
Everyone has abs. Try this. Lay down on a decline bench. Now come halfway up and hold that position. Now press your fingers into your stomach. Feel that hard part underneath the goosh? THAT's your abs. Abs are not genetic. The depth of the cuts might be but everyone has abs. You just have to learn the mind muscle connection....and get your bodyfat down low enough to see them.
Bob45
01-20-2010, 09:01 AM
I flexed my abs, sucked in my abs, and no matter how I poked and prodded, could not even feel an ab muscle....I am starting to agree with those who say having a 6 pack is genetic.
No way! That's like saying someone doesn't have biceps. Genetically some people have great shaped and aligned abs. Some don't. Some guys have high peeks on their bi's and some don't. They are defintely under there. I don't have great abs. It takes 6% or under for me to see mine. That was only twice in my life for a very short period. I don't even have a picture! Now I have to do it once more and get some.
Have a small cheat treat here and there. You will feel like shit if you eat a huge cheat meal.
blu2xtreme
01-20-2010, 09:04 AM
You are still in the door blu?
A fellow salesman at work has recently controlled his borderline Diabetis, dropped 40 pounds and looks/feels great. His previously chunkster wife has rebelled, added 50 more pounds and turned real nasty. Why do so many of my friends have to live with their mates lack of self esteem? People do grow apart. Saddens me. Glad my first marriage ended in my 20s so I had a long happy life ahead. My kids will tell you that looking back, life was better with a weekend stonger happier Dad.
Baldie
Thanks Baldie
My move out date is late March - but it's hard right now so it may get moved up.
I agree that children are better off when their parent is happy and they see what love and marriage should be like.
My dad and I got much closer after my parents divorce and he was happier and ultimately so was my mom.
Bob45
01-20-2010, 09:08 AM
Mike do you get carb refeeds in your diet?
Bob45
01-20-2010, 09:27 AM
Thanks Baldie
My move out date is late March - but it's hard right now so it may get moved up.
I agree that children are better off when their parent is happy and they see what love and marriage should be like.
My dad and I got much closer after my parents divorce and he was happier and ultimately so was my mom.
There are so many different situations with divorce it is unbelievable. Kids all handle it differently also. I've had so many kids in this house from having four kids and all their friend's coming over. Most parents are split or remarried or just have a significant other person around. Some chose to be with no one. It is sure hard to make all parties happy. I know I went on miserably for years just trying to make everyone else happy. Still married. Who knows what the right thing to do is?
joedemarco
01-20-2010, 09:35 AM
Good morning, Mike! Just checking in...
bodyhard
01-20-2010, 10:54 AM
Everyone has abs. Try this. Lay down on a decline bench. Now come halfway up and hold that position. Now press your fingers into your stomach. Feel that hard part underneath the goosh? THAT's your abs. Abs are not genetic. The depth of the cuts might be but everyone has abs. You just have to learn the mind muscle connection....and get your bodyfat down low enough to see them.
Excellent point.
Guess I should look on the bright side. No abs at 10 percent must mean I have a lot of muscle to go with my fat. Excellent points everyone!
Start doing HEAVY ab crunches on one side of cable crossovers with a rope. The abs are like any other muscle, they need heavy weight to get thicker.
I see you are already doing them. Do them heavy. It's not genetics. Everyone has abs.
I used to have a six pack, but I drank two of them, leaving me with 4.
Everyone has abs. Try this. Lay down on a decline bench. Now come halfway up and hold that position. Now press your fingers into your stomach. Feel that hard part underneath the goosh? THAT's your abs. Abs are not genetic. The depth of the cuts might be but everyone has abs. You just have to learn the mind muscle connection....and get your bodyfat down low enough to see them.
No way! That's like saying someone doesn't have biceps. Genetically some people have great shaped and aligned abs. Some don't. Some guys have high peeks on their bi's and some don't. They are defintely under there. I don't have great abs. It takes 6% or under for me to see mine. That was only twice in my life for a very short period. I don't even have a picture! Now I have to do it once more and get some.
Have a small cheat treat here and there. You will feel like shit if you eat a huge cheat meal.
I do have to disagree that it's not genetic because my son has a six pack and is at least 12-14% bf and doesn't exercise a lot lately. I know I have abs under there, but am just disappointed because I always was told "don't worry, when you get to 10%, they will show fine."
I will keep going, I know they will show eventually, just sucks that the one thing I wanted is the thing I don't have yet! I would trade my legs for abs honestly.
You are still in the door blu?
A fellow salesman at work has recently controlled his borderline Diabetis, dropped 40 pounds and looks/feels great. His previously chunkster wife has rebelled, added 50 more pounds and turned real nasty. Why do so many of my friends have to live with their mates lack of self esteem? People do grow apart. Saddens me. Glad my first marriage ended in my 20s so I had a long happy life ahead. My kids will tell you that looking back, life was better with a weekend stonger happier Dad.
Baldie
good wisdom Baldie. Definitely something to consider.
Mike do you get carb refeeds in your diet?
Not intentionally from here on out... lol
My Lebanese restaurant client just brought us lunch for free. Wraps, salads, baklava, pita bread, hummus,all that stuff. I am getting ready to have tuna and broccoli
Just want to bag it sometimes and be a strongman. I have been doing this since October 5, and it is just getting tiring.
Thanks for letting me vent. I will be fine, just need to complain
Down4whatever
01-20-2010, 11:51 AM
I would trade my legs for abs honestly.
I'll give you a 2 pack for one leg.......:D
I'll give you a 2 pack for one leg.......:D
it's a deal!
I am thinking 178 to see abs. 4%
Asmolenski
01-20-2010, 11:56 AM
Mike - you are right about genetics. Some guys can walk around with 15 to 18% body fat and still show abs. Life isn't fair but what else is new? But I also think you have not been working abs much - like any other muscle group the more they are developed the better they will appear as you lose fat.
All the guys I know who have great looking abs also do a lot of abs work.
Dr Smo
Down4whatever
01-20-2010, 11:58 AM
it's a deal!
I am thinking 178 to see abs. 4%
I'm thinking 175 for me to see full 6 pack......lower ab fat is HELL! Maybe I need to target lower abs during bulk season? Some say its age; that you put any and all fat on at the lower abs section. :dunno:
Also, maybe it's time to reevaluate whether you lost any muscle dieting......
Asmolenski
01-20-2010, 12:00 PM
I'm thinking 175 for me to see full 6 pack......lower ab fat is HELL! Maybe I need to target lower abs during bulk season? Some say its age; that you put any and all fat on at the lower abs section. :dunno:
High stress and high cortisol levels will cause you to accumulate fat around the midsection -- once its there it will be the last place you lose it.
Dr Smo
Mike - you are right about genetics. Some guys can walk around with 15 to 18% body fat and still show abs. Life isn't fair but what else is new? But I also think you have not been working abs much - like any other muscle group the more they are developed the better they will appear as you lose fat.
All the guys I know who have great looking abs also do a lot of abs work.
Dr Smo
I agree Doc! It's just weird my son has them, must be from mom's side! :p
I'm thinking 175 for me to see full 6 pack......lower ab fat is HELL! Maybe I need to target lower abs during bulk season? Some say its age; that you put any and all fat on at the lower abs section. :dunno:
Also, maybe it's time to reevaluate whether you lost any muscle dieting......
It's the upper ab fat that is keeping my abs from showing, Matt...just a thin layer of fat in the way!
On the muscle loss, I am attempting to schedule a dexascan this week if the damn doctor's office will call me back!
High stress and high cortisol levels will cause you to accumulate fat around the midsection -- once its there it will be the last place you lose it.
Dr Smo
I keep thinking that will happen, but I just keep losing in my legs!
Never thought I would have 23" thighs!
will have to be a dick and say you don't always need to work something.
No calf raises in 2 years, and they are still my best muscle group
Asmolenski
01-20-2010, 12:11 PM
will have to be a dick and say you don't always need to work something.
No calf raises in 2 years, and they are still my best muscle group
Your calves are also developed from carrying around 220+ lbs of bodyweight for many years. If you never weighed more than 180 lbs during your adult life then they would be smaller. Then again genetics are a big factor here as well. Remember when Arnold had a hard time developing his calves -- rumor has it that he resorted to shooting steroids into his calves etc.
Dr Smo
For some reason I am not hungry so I am just not going to eat lunch. This is indeed a rare occasion!
Your calves are also developed from carrying around 220+ lbs of bodyweight for many years. If you never weighed more than 180 lbs during your adult life then they would be smaller. Then again genetics are a big factor here as well. Remember when Arnold had a hard time developing his calves -- rumor has it that he resorted to shooting steroids into his calves etc.
Dr Smo
My abs carried 220+ too!
This is so unlike me to argue like this!
I used to do this shit when I was in school, drove my teachers crazy...one teacher told me to definitely be a lawyer because I liked to argue so much. I didn't even care if I was right or wrong, just liked to argue
Oh yeah, almost forgot to post my training.
Back circuit, heavy as I could handle, 4x through
Wide grip pullups
100lb DB rows (heaviest in our gym)
Narrow grip chins
Bentover reverse flys with 45's
DB shrugs with 100's
30 minutes of cardio
Asmolenski
01-20-2010, 12:17 PM
My abs carried 220+ too!
This is so unlike me to argue like this!
I used to do this shit when I was in school, drove my teachers crazy...one teacher told me to definitely be a lawyer because I liked to argue so much. I didn't even care if I was right or wrong, just liked to argue
Its ok Mike - we both know what the problem is....you need to lose more fat! How many wide grips today?
Dr Smo
Its ok Mike - we both know what the the problem is....you need to lose more fat!
Dr Smo
you had to tell the truth, didn't you? :hypno:
I know that's the real problem....I still have another 15 lbs to lose.
I really am going to look like a lifeguard after all.
this is the look I am going for, Richard Baldwin:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/richardbaldwin14.jpg
freebirdmac
01-20-2010, 12:26 PM
Eat your damn lunch! No skipping meals.
You don't see your abs from a combo of more fat to lose and not having worked them enough to really make them punch through. Stop whining, keep losing fat, and do the heavy ab work!
Oh, and when you are through leaning out, do NOT go back to your old ways of eating. You will need to learn how to eat so that you can have lunches like your client brought in without guilt, without gaining a bunch of fat, and especially not sending you to strongman territory :)
Asmolenski
01-20-2010, 12:28 PM
you had to tell the truth, didn't you? :hypno:
I know that's the real problem....I still have another 15 lbs to lose.
I really am going to look like a lifeguard after all.
Oh well ... a lot of hot chicks in bikinis love lifeguards! Seriously no one is going to mistake you for a lifeguard!
Dr Smo
Down4whatever
01-20-2010, 12:28 PM
I really am going to look like a lifeguard after all.
Bright side: At least you won't look like an anorexic lifeguard who just returned from the Holocaust like me :hypno:
Asmolenski
01-20-2010, 12:29 PM
Eat your damn lunch! No skipping meals.
You don't see your abs from a combo of more fat to lose and not having worked them enough to really make them punch through. Stop whining, keep losing fat, and do the heavy ab work!
Oh, and when you are through leaning out, do NOT go back to your old ways of eating. You will need to learn how to eat so that you can have lunches like your client brought in without guilt, without gaining a bunch of fat, and especially not sending you to strongman territory :)
I hope you are listening to her....
Dr Smo
I listen to her...one day it will stick.
I will eat when I get hungry. Ate meal 2 at 10:30, that's probably why I am not hungry right now to be honest.
Eat your damn lunch! No skipping meals.
You don't see your abs from a combo of more fat to lose and not having worked them enough to really make them punch through. Stop whining, keep losing fat, and do the heavy ab work!
Oh, and when you are through leaning out, do NOT go back to your old ways of eating. You will need to learn how to eat so that you can have lunches like your client brought in without guilt, without gaining a bunch of fat, and especially not sending you to strongman territory :)
Yeah, someday...keep wanting someday to get here! Another 10-15 weeks and I can start adding back stuff slowly. I am not going to make my goal by Columbus, but that's ok, I am going to be within 10lbs of it, and be in the best shape of my life! But in 15 weeks I plan on being there...175-180! can't wait for that day
Bright side: At least you won't look like an anorexic lifeguard who just returned from the Holocaust like me :hypno:
But you have abs, so who cares! lol
I hope you are listening to her....
Dr Smo
I listen to her...one day it will stick.
I will eat when I get hungry. Ate meal 2 at 10:30, that's probably why I am not hungry right now to be honest.
I did have one of the lady regulars at the Y tell me my arms have really gotten huge over the past few months! I just smiled and said thanks. Lean looks bigger!
Bob45
01-20-2010, 01:05 PM
it's a deal!
I am thinking 178 to see abs. 4%
If you are 5'8" 178 and 4% you will have plenty of size. In the pics in my journal I was 183 at 5'11". I wasn't that skinny I don't think.
Bright side: At least you won't look like an anorexic lifeguard who just returned from the Holocaust like me :hypno:
With the squats and rack pull amounts you are doing there has to be a lot of muscle. Wasn't that your video I was watching?
Eat your damn lunch! No skipping meals.
You don't see your abs from a combo of more fat to lose and not having worked them enough to really make them punch through. Stop whining, keep losing fat, and do the heavy ab work!
Oh, and when you are through leaning out, do NOT go back to your old ways of eating. You will need to learn how to eat so that you can have lunches like your client brought in without guilt, without gaining a bunch of fat, and especially not sending you to strongman territory :)
She is strict.
How many wide grips today?
Dr Smo
not very good considering how much lighter I am
10 7 6 5
I did so many more in October at 215-220 when I trained with you
esplendido
01-20-2010, 01:11 PM
Am I gonna have to come to your house and kick your ass???? You frickin eat when you're supposed to eat, Mr.! You have to eat to lose! Don't start this "listening to the force" bullshit and do what you're told!
Damn!
Am I gonna have to come to your house and kick your ass???? You frickin eat when you're supposed to eat, Mr.! You have to eat to lose! Don't start this "listening to the force" bullshit and do what you're told!
Damn!
I did Rick! I just ate meal 2 late and I wasn't hungry at noon like normal. Just ate a few minutes ago meal 3.
Bob45
01-20-2010, 01:17 PM
I did Rick! I just ate meal 2 late and I wasn't hungry at noon like normal. Just ate a few minutes ago meal 3.
Way to save your ass.
Way to save your ass.
best of all, I didn't lie about it!
Baldiewonkanobi
01-20-2010, 02:51 PM
Mike listen to your trainer or :spank:
Baldie
Mike listen to your trainer or :spank:
Baldie
Yes sir!
HeavyDutyGuy
01-20-2010, 06:56 PM
Jjjjjjjeeeeeesus Mike! Rick won't get to kick your ass, I'm going to first! You're doing great, now stay the damn course. the last weeks are always the toughest. But you're going to wake up one morning, pull up your shirt, and say, "Holy shit!,..".. Now keep that day in mind, and pull out the stops....
esplendido
01-20-2010, 07:14 PM
I did Rick! I just ate meal 2 late and I wasn't hungry at noon like normal. Just ate a few minutes ago meal 3.
That's what I want to hear, soldier!
Jjjjjjjeeeeeesus Mike! Rick won't get to kick your ass, I'm going to first! You're doing great, now stay the damn course. the last weeks are always the toughest. But you're going to wake up one morning, pull up your shirt, and say, "Holy shit!,..".. Now keep that day in mind, and pull out the stops....
time to buckle down for sure!
That's what I want to hear, soldier!
Yes, Sargeant
Sledge
01-20-2010, 08:20 PM
I am supposedly 10% bf and I can't even feel them poking my finger in to the first knuckle.
I guess it's just fat.
Meh 6 packs are for pussys. Real men have a Keg.
Have you stood in front of a mirror and done an Abb/thigh pose. When you start loosing that belly the obliques and top couple of abs will start to show. Also I know in my case I can have veins and striations in my quads, shoulders, chest and even glutes to a lesser extent, but no sixpack.
I think heavy ab work is over rated. Who wants to build a big abdominal area.
GirlyMuscle
01-20-2010, 08:20 PM
After reading the last three pages, I just realized you're starting to flake out like the typical contest prep person. Stick to your plan. I know from experience. The more you deviate the less results you'll get. Now is not the time to think. Just do what you're supposed to do.
I will Erin! Nice to know it's not mental illness!
I have to remember what my chiropracter told me. Every pound shows at the end and makes a huge difference
Sledge
01-20-2010, 08:25 PM
^ what she said. I have recently had to deal with a freaked out flaky person in contest prep who shall remain nameless.
I'll tell you what I told her. STICK TO YOUR PLAN. That's why you have one. So you don't start second guessing yourself and imagining stuff when your mind starts playing tricks on you. That's why you make your plan when your thinking clearly and can base it in reality.
kimm4
01-21-2010, 01:12 AM
Hell yeah this shit is hard, if it wasn't everyone would be doing it. You've been busting your ass Mike and you've come a long way. I know you want this so bad you can taste it!
Hang tuff and stick to your plan.
That is all...:)
buckimscl
01-21-2010, 06:38 AM
Hang in there Mike.
For some reason I am not hungry so I am just not going to eat lunch. This is indeed a rare occasion!
OMG, that is so wrong. Good thing it's a rare occasion.
Quit obsessing over your abs and the fact your legs are shrinking.
You have great wheels. The size will return along with that shit you're trying to lose.
I think heavy ab work is over rated. Who wants to build a big abdominal area.
I totally disagree on heavy ab work being overrated. No one wants a big stomach, just thicker abs. This is what he needs.
Two years ago I was in the same dilemma. I hired a personal consultant, an IFBB pro and lo and behold, the first thing he told me was to stop the madness of high rep abs and use some f'n weight.
I did and my abs appeared along with deep creases down the middle and my bodyfat didn't change.
Baldiewonkanobi
01-21-2010, 07:16 AM
:confused: What?? Skip lunch??
Rick...bro? 911
Baldie
AnglicanBeachParty
01-21-2010, 08:08 AM
Two years ago I was in the same dilemma. I hired a personal consultant, an IFBB pro and lo and behold, the first thing he told me was to stop the madness of high rep abs and use some f'n weight.
I did and my abs appeared along with deep creases down the middle and my bodyfat didn't change.
What kind of rep range did you end up using?
What kind of rep range did you end up using?
8 - 10 reps with about 180 lbs on the cable crossover. it was heavy enough that it almost would cause me to not be able to stay on the floor.
Bob45
01-21-2010, 08:38 AM
Good morning Mike. Train hard, eat good today!
Hey everyone, I am back on track today...mentally ready, at least for today!
Rain again so I didn't walk to the Y
Did shoulders:
Front raises with plate: 5 sets
Hammer laterals: 5 sets
Arnolds: 5 sets
Upright rows with plate: 5 sets
Hanging leg raises: 4 sets
Ab wheel: 3 sets
Super crunches: 3 sets
30 minutes on stairstepper at 145-150bpm
freebirdmac
01-21-2010, 09:12 AM
Rain? It was light stuff! Do you think you'll melt or something?
blu2xtreme
01-21-2010, 09:18 AM
We are having some real rain here!!
Morning Mike ...have a great day
Down4whatever
01-21-2010, 09:22 AM
Wow, Nevada, Oklahoma, and Virginia--all areas have rain. Pretty coincidental. I think Baldie even mentioned heavy rain in Cali.
joedemarco
01-21-2010, 09:25 AM
Glad to hear you are feeling on track today. Don't worry about the abs, Mike. Everything will fall into place if you just stick to your plan!
Rain? It was light stuff! Do you think you'll melt or something?
it wasnt this morning's rain, it was the uncertainty of tonight's walk home.
supposedly pretty heavy rain all day, none of which has happened yet
my abs are already sore from doing ab work today
tomorrow should be a real joyful time. As I recall, ab doms is the worst kind!
I tried what Erin said, didn't feel abs! lol
I feel a sheet of muscle, but not the ridges
As I recall, ab doms is the worst kind!
I would have to say calves for me. Had it so bad I couldn't walk. Ab cramps are painful. I get those doing stomach vacuums.
glad I don't have to do calves, Mac!
That ab wheel is going to be the one that makes me feel bad tomorrow
Asmolenski
01-21-2010, 11:12 AM
I totally disagree on heavy ab work being overrated. No one wants a big stomach, just thicker abs. This is what he needs.
Two years ago I was in the same dilemma. I hired a personal consultant, an IFBB pro and lo and behold, the first thing he told me was to stop the madness of high rep abs and use some f'n weight.
I did and my abs appeared along with deep creases down the middle and my bodyfat didn't change.
I agree .. However I am not a fan of using weights for obliques. If the obliques get too big then they make your waist look wide from the front -- not something a bodybuilder wants.
Dr Smo
I agree .. However I am not a fan of using weights for obliques. If the obliques get too big then they make your waist look wide from the front -- not something a bodybuilder wants.
Dr Smo
Totally agree on that. Crunching to the front, on my knees does not hit the obs. It's the twisting and turning with heavy weights and powerlifting movements that build the thick waists.
Baldiewonkanobi
01-21-2010, 11:28 AM
Ridges...you don't feel the ridges? WTF are ridges? You mean those 6-8 iron plates just a smidge below your belly skin...right? Ruffles have ridges..
YouTube- Ruffles Animation Spot - Fireworks
Baldie
I was told not to do ab work when I was heavier, because my waist would be thick. and not by only a few people either. Oh, no ab work, you dead and squat, that is plenty of ab work!
Now I am told I need to do it.
I do what I am told! lol
Ridges...you don't feel the ridges? WTF are ridges? You mean those 6-8 iron plates just a smidge below your belly skin...right? Ruffles have ridges..
YouTube- Ruffles Animation Spot - Fireworks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-3xnCyVJaw&feature=related)
Baldie
Yes the plates...no sign of them, just feels like a sheath of muscle...no plates
Ruffles don't appeal to me at all...nice try, Baldie.
Now if you had put up Doritos...mmm can't resist!
Asmolenski
01-21-2010, 11:43 AM
I was told not to do ab work when I was heavier, because my waist would be thick. and not by only a few people either. Oh, no ab work, you dead and squat, that is plenty of ab work!
Now I am told I need to do it.
I do what I am told! lol
If I recall .... I remember a converstaion about starting abs work about 30 pounds ago. Like I said before, everyone I know with great abs does a lot of abs work -- of course they also have low body fat and great genetics but we have to work with what God gave us...
Dr Smo
you would have to remember that, wouldn't you? lol
I will listen to my doc from now on...no one else!
I am making up for it now, I promise
The real show is in august, and I will have abs to rival my calves by then. I may start doing an ab day, and lift 6 days a week now.
Baldiewonkanobi
01-21-2010, 12:12 PM
If I recall .... I remember a converstaion about starting abs work about 30 pounds ago. Like I said before, everyone I know with great abs does a lot of abs work -- of course they also have low body fat and great genetics but we have to work with what God gave us...
Dr Smo
God gave me a 4 1/2 pack and if and only when I am near 3%....pitty. But at that level I have nasty intercostals and serratus.
So Mikie...is it gonna be a 4 1/2, 5, '6' , or maybe even an 8?
Baldie
God gave me a 4 1/2 pack and if and only when I am near 3%....pitty. But at that level I have nasty intercostals and serratus.
So Mikie...is it gonna be a 4 1/2, 5, '6' , or maybe even an 8?
Baldie
2 pack
actually if my son has my genetics ;), I might have a decent set of abs. He's probably 10-12% in this pic
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/100_0722.jpg
blu2xtreme
01-21-2010, 12:24 PM
actually if my son has my genetics ;), I might have a decent set of abs. He's probably 10-12% in this pic
He has your smile ...so you might get lucky on the abs;)
I told you 182 :)
He has your smile ...so you might get lucky on the abs;)
I told you 182 :)
you're probably 5-10lbs too high unfortunately
Asmolenski
01-21-2010, 12:43 PM
actually if my son has my genetics ;), I might have a decent set of abs. He's probably 10-12% in this pic
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/100_0722.jpg
He kind of looks like a mailman I knew when we lived in Virginia Beach.... :dunno:
Just kidding Mike!!!
He kind of looks like a mailman I knew when we lived in Virginia Beach.... :dunno:
Just kidding Mike!!!
If he weren't so much like me, I might wonder! :p
He also looks like my dad did at that age. Looks nothing like me except his coloring.
Plus he has chicken legs
Asmolenski
01-21-2010, 12:57 PM
If he weren't so much like me, I might wonder! :p
He also looks like my dad did at that age. Looks nothing like me except his coloring.
Plus he has chicken legs
He's a good looking kid ... I need to get off this computer! I am supposed to be doing a stay-at-home office day to catch up on my charts and I keep goofing off -- time to get back to work! I'll call you later to catch up Mike!
Dr Smo
blu2xtreme
01-21-2010, 12:58 PM
If he weren't so much like me, I might wonder! :p
He also looks like my dad did at that age. Looks nothing like me except his coloring.
Plus he has chicken legs
He looks a lot like you ...cropped this from a pic you posted
same teeth even:p
http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss190/blu2xtreme/DSC005001.jpg
I wish I could work harder too, I just hate my job
He looks a lot like you ...cropped this from a pic you posted
same teeth even:p
http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss190/blu2xtreme/DSC005001.jpg
He does look like me after all, except he has hair and a unibrow! lol
The thinner I get, the more he looks like me
He complains about the eyebrows all the time. He didn't get them from me obviously. He used to say his eyebrows touched his head hair on the sides!
blu2xtreme
01-21-2010, 01:08 PM
He does look like me after all, except he has hair and a unibrow! lol
The thinner I get, the more he looks like me
He complains about the eyebrows all the time. He didn't get them from me obviously. He used to say his eyebrows touched his head hair on the sides!
I did notice his eyebrows ...tell him to have his girl friend trim them up...I'm sure he has plenty of them:)
His gf for a year or so was a hairdresser and she still cuts his hair for him. She waxed the middle once for him.
She also warned him he was already going bald...just like me I guess. Receding at the temples first.
Bob45
01-21-2010, 01:16 PM
I was told not to do ab work when I was heavier, because my waist would be thick. and not by only a few people either. Oh, no ab work, you dead and squat, that is plenty of ab work!
Now I am told I need to do it.
I do what I am told! lol
Let's go back and givem hell! Nice picture. Good looking son you have there.
Let's go back and givem hell! Nice picture. Good looking son you have there.
He is almost as good looking as his dad
Bob45
01-21-2010, 01:22 PM
He is almost as good looking as his dad
Now you are sounding like me
Wondering if Allen had seen the new Bruce Willis movie trailer when he said I looked like a bodybuilding version of him:
http://www.movienewsmovietrailers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/cop-out-trailer-300x199.jpg
esplendido
01-21-2010, 01:27 PM
Hey everyone, I am back on track today...mentally ready, at least for today!
Rain again so I didn't walk to the Y
Did shoulders:
Front raises with plate: 5 sets
Hammer laterals: 5 sets
Arnolds: 5 sets
Upright rows with plate: 5 sets
Hanging leg raises: 4 sets
Ab wheel: 3 sets
Super crunches: 3 sets
30 minutes on stairstepper at 145-150bpm
Too high on the BPM!!!! No wonder you're losing muscle! Keep it at or under 130 or you burn glucose, which the body will metabolize muscle for. 130 and under.....burns fat only!
Baldiewonkanobi
01-21-2010, 02:21 PM
Mike, Rick...post your mugs on the Goatee thread on the open forum.
Baldie
Too high on the BPM!!!! No wonder you're losing muscle! Keep it at or under 130 or you burn glucose, which the body will metabolize muscle for. 130 and under.....burns fat only!
I will let you debate that with my doctor!
Plus I haven't been doing that high a heart rate very often, just once in a while...honestly yesterday it was 110
You ever seen a skinny sprinter? they look like bodybuilders
I will see if I have lost any muscle when I get a dexascan sometime next week.
joedemarco
01-21-2010, 04:37 PM
I will let you debate that with my doctor!
Plus I haven't been doing that high a heart rate very often, just once in a while...honestly yesterday it was 110
You ever seen a skinny sprinter? they look like bodybuilders
I will see if I have lost any muscle when I get a dexascan sometime next week.
There is different philosophies for sure when it comes to cardio. Long duration, low intensity is one way. I utilize this primarily. Long brisk walking with my heart rate not going over 125-130. However, performing cardio is shorter burst (30 minutes and less) at higher intensity can be effective also. I know some bodybuilders who use that form of cardio and do excellent with it.
I do the brisk walks from home to the y and from office to home most nights if the weather is good.
Lots of skinny-fat marathon runners go at 125bpm, that's for sure.
I have a dexascan scheduled for Monday at 930 am...
Bob45
01-21-2010, 06:00 PM
Mike you are just posting sets and reps now. Are the numbers staying up there? Your not losing a lot of strength are you? Don't you love everyone being after you?
I have lost a lot of strength Bob. I am 25-30lbs lighter and still do the same amount of pullups. My bb rows are down a lot as is all my pressing. I am lucky to incline press 135 now or flat bench 185 more than 5 reps.
TRT has not made me stronger but it has made my recovery better.
TRT has not made me stronger but it has made my recovery better.
I didn't realize you were on TRT. How long have you been on it?
Bob45
01-21-2010, 07:31 PM
I have lost a lot of strength Bob. I am 25-30lbs lighter and still do the same amount of pullups. My bb rows are down a lot as is all my pressing. I am lucky to incline press 135 now or flat bench 185 more than 5 reps.
TRT has not made me stronger but it has made my recovery better.
Hmm. The dexascan should be interesting then. I had hoped your strength was still up there. Do you keep your trainer posted on this info all the time?
he's not really my trainer, he just writes workouts...or is that a trainer? I mean he doesn't come and spot me and yell at me while I lift, so I don't call him a trainer.
the other thing Bob, I have never been really strong...even on 200mg of test cyp as my TRT I never benched more than 225.
I was screwing around tonight trying to flex abs, and am not sure, but I managed to get some horizontal lines up high to pop out...are they abs? One row goes across the rib cage, the second just below the rib cage. Maybe it's just ribs lol
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/photo1.jpg
blu2xtreme
01-21-2010, 09:21 PM
I was screwing around tonight trying to flex abs, and am not sure, but I managed to get some horizontal lines up high to pop out...are they abs? One row goes across the rib cage, the second just below the rib cage. Maybe it's just ribs lol
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/photo1.jpg
:drool::drool::drool::drool:
4 drools...my record! lol
I am pretty damn skinny now...seriously
If I look that small in the pic, imagine real life, Blu
blu2xtreme
01-21-2010, 09:25 PM
4 drools...my record! lol
I am pretty damn skinny now...seriously
I would of given you 5 but that's getting a little to messy and wet:p
bodyhard
01-21-2010, 09:28 PM
I was screwing around tonight trying to flex abs, and am not sure, but I managed to get some horizontal lines up high to pop out...are they abs? One row goes across the rib cage, the second just below the rib cage. Maybe it's just ribs lol
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/photo1.jpg
Build is looking tight Mike, I have no fucking idea what you are talking about, the abs are definitely coming through.
Not feeling the bald head though man, you just don't have the right dome for that shit. But I am a fucking guy so what the fuck do I know, if you are pulling the bitches than that is all that matters! :yep:
Build is looking tight Mike, I have no fucking idea what you are talking about, the abs are definitely coming through.
Not feeling the bald head though man, you just don't have the right dome for that shit. But I am a fucking guy so what the fuck do I know, if you are pulling the bitches than that is all that matters! :yep:
you better not be feeling the bald head, even I might get violent! :hypno:
thanks on the abs...the guy that helps me by writing up my workouts told me how to flex my abs, it is definitely a different way then I had been trying...I though it was sucking in your gut, or tensing it really hard...it's neither
bodyhard
01-21-2010, 09:39 PM
you better not be feeling the bald head, even I might get violent! :hypno:
thanks on the abs...the guy that helps me by writing up my workouts told me how to flex my abs, it is definitely a different way then I had been trying...I though it was sucking in your gut, or tensing it really hard...it's neither
Violence? Now you know that is my playground are you trying to flirt with me man? :D
My abs are so easy to flex so I really don't understand where you are coming from, my abs contract if I laugh, sneeze, cough, fuck even when I talk they contract.
HeavyDutyGuy
01-21-2010, 09:39 PM
Abs coming in, serratus too! Almost as much a control issue- mind muscle connection, as a leaness one.
Violence? Now you know that is my playground are you trying to flirt with me man? :D
My abs are so easy to flex so I really don't understand where you are coming from, my abs contract if I laugh, sneeze, cough, fuck even when I talk they contract.
I think that will happen when I get leaner, for now I have to really concentrate to get them to show.
Abs coming in, serratus too! Almost as much a control issue- mind muscle connection, as a leaness one.
I can't describe how I got them to show a little, just kind of leaned the hips forward and slouched back a little and scrunched downward.
esplendido
01-22-2010, 12:27 AM
I will let you debate that with my doctor!
Plus I haven't been doing that high a heart rate very often, just once in a while...honestly yesterday it was 110
You ever seen a skinny sprinter? they look like bodybuilders
I will see if I have lost any muscle when I get a dexascan sometime next week.
What the hell do I know!? I guess your doc looks better than this:
I will let him say Rick. I really didn't do what he said either so I was wrong in either case. I believe intervals are the method he would defend, and I did not do those either, so I would have pissed him and you both off.
buckimscl
01-22-2010, 06:42 AM
Checking in Gman. Hope all is well.
Doing well bucki!
Walked 2 miles to the Y and did arms
supersets:
incline db tricep extensions/incline db curls: 5 sets
v bar pressdowns/v bar curls (on high pulley, a very different curl!): 5 sets
ez bar overhead extensions/21's: 2 sets
in the middle of 60 minutes on exercise bike
will walk 2.5 miles home tonight
Baldiewonkanobi
01-22-2010, 08:05 AM
Did Dr. S do your Est levels? Getting that under control probably did an equal impact on my strength, muscle mass and fat. So the combo of HRT and Estroidol control got me back in the game equal to 20 years ago levels. Strengh up in some lifts (leg press and all back work), same in others and only down on squats and dead lifts.
In my mind I have wanted to do a mock 'show time' contest diet prep....bring myself to a 2 weeks out condition WITHOUT sacrificing mass ever since the 09 Nationals. Like June 15th but NOW. Also since my best ever showing was done with ZERO cardio that too is emblazened in my brain. So I am now completed with week one of 'show time'. I need to see what the skin looks like here in 5-6 weeks.
Soooo what I am saying is that I will suffer along with all of you in SUPPORT of your efforts. I can't sit idley by with my dick in my left hand and my right on a Fudge Met Rx bar. I post this on your thread because everyone who will be at the Arnold contest comes in here. When I am dialed in my torso looks exactly like Ricks above (without the mass...good grief thats a lot of mass). DONT let the old man whup ya. OK?
Baldie
Awesome baldie! I really look forward to you feeling the pain with us!
Dr smo had my estradiol tested and it was perfect. I had 23 I believe on a 0-49 scale
i have never been strong but I am ok with it for now
Rick is damn impressive in that pic for sure.
Baldiewonkanobi
01-22-2010, 08:45 AM
23 is perfect. You STUD!! I was a girlie 65 on the same scale. Novadex XT (now recalled) keeps me at 40. I have 3 bottles left...just enough for Pitt.
If you did not cardio would you be stronger? A little more left in the tank?If you replaced your cardio time with more iron.....? Just thinking out loud here. In any event...this is just cyber conversation. Next time maybe. STICK with your plan. You can have only ONE trainer/guide.
Baldie
blu2xtreme
01-22-2010, 08:49 AM
Good Morning Mike:hmn:
All this extra cardio from walking to and from work is very impressive
I am an early morning cardio girl... After work even driving home is tiring.
I hit my surge of energy in time to lift late.
Have a great Friday
23 is perfect. You STUD!! I was a girlie 65 on the same scale. Novadex XT (now recalled) keeps me at 40. I have 3 bottles left...just enough for Pitt.
If you did not cardio would you be stronger? A little more left in the tank?If you replaced your cardio time with more iron.....? Just thinking out loud here. In any event...this is just cyber conversation. Next time maybe. STICK with your plan. You can have only ONE trainer/guide.
Baldie
Probably would be stronger without cardio but am afraid to find out, like you said, maybe next time!
I want to get as lean as I can and then bulk back up slowly someday, and not ever get above 10% bf ever again. I don't know if that's possible for me without cardio!
Good Morning Mike:hmn:
All this extra cardio from walking to and from work is very impressive
I am an early morning cardio girl... After work even driving home is tiring.
I hit my surge of energy in time to lift late.
Have a great Friday
I use the time to decompress from the day. It's not that strenuous, just trying to burn some extra calories...I walk pretty fast and my heart rate hovers at 100
23 is perfect. You STUD!! I was a girlie 65 on the same scale. Novadex XT (now recalled) keeps me at 40. I have 3 bottles left...just enough for Pitt.
Baldie
Have you ever considered using Arimidex instead of Novadex?
Down4whatever
01-22-2010, 09:44 AM
I was screwing around tonight trying to flex abs, and am not sure, but I managed to get some horizontal lines up high to pop out...are they abs? One row goes across the rib cage, the second just below the rib cage. Maybe it's just ribs lol
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/photo1.jpg
Ummmm, dude.....thats abs man! Told ya Feb 20th......(or sooner)
Asmolenski
01-22-2010, 09:44 AM
I will let you debate that with my doctor!
Plus I haven't been doing that high a heart rate very often, just once in a while...honestly yesterday it was 110
You ever seen a skinny sprinter? they look like bodybuilders
I will see if I have lost any muscle when I get a dexascan sometime next week.
Now don't be dragging me into this -- I don't want to get my ass kicked!
Mike - I think you misunderstood what I was telling you about cardio. There is a lot of debate on how best to burn fat. Obviously what Rick does works. Ultimately it all comes down to consistency and determination and being able to control what you put in your mouth.
Here is what the research is showing: Regarding cardio the most fat burning results are from HIIT. This is where you create short bursts (ie 1 to 2 mins) of anaerobic metabolism (ie get your heart rate up to >85% max) then allow your heart rate to fall back down to 50% max for 2 to 3 mins then repeat for 30 mins or so. What this does is build up lactic acid, which along with cortisol, testosterone and growth hormone creates a very anabolic and fat burning effect. When they measure adiponectin (a protein hormone that modulates a number of metabolic processes, including glucose regulation and fatty acid catabolism) they find it is elevated for up to 72 hrs after HIIT but not at all after aerobic cardio. So aerobic cardio will burn fat while you are doing it but as soon as you stop your body stops burning fat. With HIIT you will burn a lot of glycogen and build up lactic acid during the exercise but for 72 hrs afterwards you are burning extra fat as your body recovers from the workout. Multiple research studies have been published that confirm these findings.
I am not suggesting that you do 45 min of continuous cardio where your heart rate is elevated 140 to 150 the whole time. Rather continue the lower intensity cardio but also do HIIT where your heart rate is >85% max (for you about 150) for 1 minute then lower the intensity for 2 to 3 mins and allow your heart rate to fall down to 120s or so then repeat.
Low intensity fat burning cardio where your heart rate is in the 120s works best after workouts that are very intense like legs and back. But after workouts that are less intense like arms, delts and pecs I think HIIT will give you better long term fat burning.
Do whatever works for you - I am just giving you one more tool for your tool chest.
Dr Smo
Thanks Doc...I was wrong as usual!
Apologies to Rick and to you. I will mix it up I think. I get plenty of slow cardio doing 4 miles a day of walking to and from work.
My abs are not as sore as I thought, although when I laughed this morning my lower abs hurt a little. I think tomorrow will be a different story...I think the ab wheel inflicted some damage that I am not feeling yet!
I can't describe how I got them to show a little, just kind of leaned the hips forward and slouched back a little and scrunched downward.
Having control of your abs and know how to show them off the best is a majority of it. Just like John describes having control of them or feeling them at all times.
Look at that video of Vince Gironda that baldie posted and note his hip position. It just like you describe above.
It took me 2 months of a lot of posing, using the web cam in my Mac and make a video and observe the results.
I think you're doing too much cardio and not eating enough and your body is going into stress mode. I know I would. You have lost a lot of weight and doing great, but I would slow it down a bit. Didn't you lose 2+ lbs a week or so ago?
One or two 20 minute HIIT sessions is good for me. I am starting to prefer the bike over the treadmill for HIIT.
Thanks, Mac for the advice. I could be in stress mode, I lost 3 last week, but am back up 2 this week so far. My waist though is actually a little smaller. I am trying not to obsess about the scale.
I think the cardio is needed for me because I had been fat for so long (35-40 years). Once I get completely lean and stay lean for a while, I don't think I will need to do so much. Right now the fat is hanging on for dear life!
It was kind of cool to figure out how to get my little bit of abs to show. I do think it gets easier the leaner you get to not need to flex them for them to be showing all the time.
Bob45
01-22-2010, 11:36 AM
I think instead of focusing on those damn abs you should be focusing on how good everything else is coming along. Just look at the arm/shoulder separations you are getting. Look how the traps are more defined on you now. Look how you can see your back from the front! The line and impression showing on your chest. When the rest of those are ripped the abs will be there too. It's all working. I wasn't talking about being strong or weak either. Just the amount you worked up to and the amount you are losing would be the concern. You have a lot of knowledgeable people backing you up in here. You are doing and looking great!
I have found my body responds best to cardio, to lean out and get ripped when I am NOT doing it all the time, year round. Otherwise, your body is already accustomed to it and won't change to fat burning/high metabolism mode.
As the cardio is lessened, the calories have to be adjusted somewhere and the metabolism drops.
But throw in some HIIT and add some extra cardio and bamm, the body responds.
Bob45
01-22-2010, 11:40 AM
I have found my body responds best to cardio, to lean out and get ripped when I am NOT doing it all the time, year round. Otherwise, your body is already accustomed to it and won't change to fat burning/high metabolism mode.
As the cardio is lessened, the calories have to be adjusted somewhere and the metabolism drops.
But throw in some HIIT and add some extra cardio and bamm, the body responds.
Sounds good. Almost like breaking out of a lifting plateau. Change up things.
I didn't realize you were on TRT. How long have you been on it?
I just noticed I missed this post.
I have been on TRT about 2 years, and had been screwing around on different regimens. Dr Smo has been my doc since October and everything seems to be humming along now. I had to add saw palmetto to block DHT, but the estradiol is at a great level now. I am using cream split into 2 doses a day. Trying to achieve high normal levels.
The best thing about Dr Smo is he is helping me with my health not just my testosterone levels. My dad died at 44 from heart disease and we are concentrating on getting my HDL up, and my C Reactive Protein and Homocysteine levels down. And it is working really well. all have improved tremendously in the past 3-4 months.
Sounds good. Almost like breaking out of a lifting plateau. Change up things.
HIIT like Dr Smo said, on the easy lifting days. Slow and steady other days.
It's all good. I can't complain, I am looking better and better every day, the best shape I have ever been in and I am 48. I looked 10x worse as a 15 year old, no shit.
I think instead of focusing on those damn abs you should be focusing on how good everything else is coming along. Just look at the arm/shoulder separations you are getting. Look how the traps are more defined on you now. Look how you can see your back from the front! The line and impression showing on your chest. When the rest of those are ripped the abs will be there too. It's all working. I wasn't talking about being strong or weak either. Just the amount you worked up to and the amount you are losing would be the concern. You have a lot of knowledgeable people backing you up in here. You are doing and looking great!
Thanks, Bob...looking at the big picture, I have improved so much in just 14 weeks, incredible really.
You also know me, and you know how OCD I can get. It's abs this week! Who knows next weeks obesession! lol
Here is my weight graph from the other site:
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/namtrag/more.php?section=progress#weight
looks like a roller coaster, click for larger version so you can see how it looks
I had to add saw palmetto to block DHT, but the estradiol is at a great level now. I am using cream split into 2 doses a day. Trying to achieve high normal levels.
What kind of cream?
Does saw palmetto really work for you? Is there real science behind it Dr. Smo?
Compounded testosterone cream. much easier than androgel which is just a slimy mess. my cream is about the size of a pencil eraser each dose and I just put it on my forearms and rub them together.
The saw palmetto is pretty scientifically proven to improve prostate function, and I have moderate BPH already at only 48. It seems to be working, I am going to the bathroom much easier now. Not sure about it blocking DHT we will see next blood test. My DHT was pretty high, which aggravates the prostate.
OK on the cream, I wasn't sure. Estrogen also aggravates the prostate but yours is doing great.
Is Dr. Smo local to you? My dad needs a good TRT doc. One that will check E levels. His refuses to do it and I know he has issues with it. He uses Androgel and complains about it and will skip a day or two.
OK on the cream, I wasn't sure. Estrogen also aggravates the prostate but yours is doing great.
Is Dr. Smo local to you? My dad needs a good TRT doc. One that will check E levels. His refuses to do it and I know he has issues with it. He uses Androgel and complains about it and will skip a day or two.
I travel to see Dr. Smo. It's worth the trip to have a doctor this good!
Asmolenski
01-22-2010, 08:36 PM
What kind of cream?
Does saw palmetto really work for you? Is there real science behind it Dr. Smo?
Yes it works and there is research showing that it acts as a 5alpha reductase inhibitor which blocks conversion of testosterone to DHT. Finasteride does the same thing but it requires a Rx, is more expensive and it has more side effects. If saw palmetto doesnt do the job then I use 1 mg finasteride 2 to 3 times a week to lower DHT.
Dr Smo
Asmolenski
01-22-2010, 08:43 PM
OK on the cream, I wasn't sure. Estrogen also aggravates the prostate but yours is doing great.
Is Dr. Smo local to you? My dad needs a good TRT doc. One that will check E levels. His refuses to do it and I know he has issues with it. He uses Androgel and complains about it and will skip a day or two.
I'd be happy to see him but he will need to come down to SC at least once or twice a year for a physical etc. I know some docs prescribe testosterone, growth hormone etc over the internet without ever seeing the patient but that is unethical and a clear violation of state medical board laws and DEA regulations. There is no substitute for meeting a patient in person and doing a thorough history and physical.
Dr Smo
Asmolenski
01-22-2010, 08:48 PM
I travel to see Dr. Smo. It's worth the trip to have a doctor this good!
Thanks for your confidence Mike! To be honest I have learned a lot from you as we go back and forth with these discussions - you are always asking tough but good questions and you understand the science behind what we are doing. I think the most important quality a Dr can have is to listen to his patients and not blow off the small details -- the small details are where we find the answers!
Dr Smo
I have to put in a plug for you Doc...you take the time to really understand what my problems are, no cookie cutter approach like so many doctors use for HRT. Thing such as taking into account a family history of heart disease for example when setting up a program. Not only did you and I determine the correct medicines, but also supplements I needed for other health issues.
So today, I did my record for cardio, not for intensity, but for time.
35 minutes to the Y.
1 hour at the Y
5 minutes from Y to office
45 minutes from office to home a different route.
2:25 total.
freebirdmac
01-22-2010, 09:06 PM
And he puts up with your argumentative nature :D
And he puts up with your argumentative nature :D
No he doesn't :mad:
:p
I had so much caffeine today and still am about to die and it's not even 10 pm yet.
It must be because it's so dead on here tonight, plus I have to get up and head to the office in the morning. Gotta go to bed and rest up.
blu2xtreme
01-22-2010, 10:04 PM
I had so much caffeine today and still am about to die and it's not even 10 pm yet.
It must be because it's so dead on here tonight, plus I have to get up and head to the office in the morning. Gotta go to bed and rest up.
Night coach ...thanks:hugme:
I am proud of how hard you work, Paula. I deserve a big raise again. ;)
Still up 2 this week, but waist is down to 35...lowest since I started at 42 plus about 4 1/2 years ago
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