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Guys I live near there and the farther away the cheaper it will be. Look at staying out around Hilliard. It's a 15 minute drive but it will be cheaper.
too late for me...plus I get in at midnight and just want to go from the airport to my hotel...no biggie!
buckimscl
10-22-2009, 02:59 PM
It's all good bro. I'll be commuting each day. I live about 45 minutes away. If I had room you could all stay with me.
I am getting really serious now...1800 calories a day is one meal for some people, and it will be my daily intake.
Take no prisoners.
here is the logic of needing to be 175
I had 172 lbs lbm at my dexascan...theoretically I could be 4% bf at 180.
I believe it's impossible not to burn off some lbm when cutting, so I figure if I lose 4lbs of lbm and end up at 168lbm, I will need to be 175 to have 4% bf.
34 lbs from now. And not much time to do it...
freebirdmac
10-22-2009, 04:06 PM
Geesh...I should make this a sticky....
Bodybuilding.com Forums - View Single Post - Vitamin E for Tendonosis (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=110754341&postcount=10)
80% of the peeps that try this for 30 days light candles in my name. They think I walk on water. The 'cure' comes from an old
friend of Gironda, Draper and other old timers...Rheo Blaire. When you are better remember Rheo in your prayers.
Baldie
Pisses me off that I can't take much of the stuff I need to take due to the damn overuse of corn in this country. Tocopherol will cause a rotten reaction because of corn. Lately I've been scouring the net for a viable B-12. Phfftt. Everything is loaded with corn!
I feel bad for you Pam...I am so lucky about food allergies, don't have a single one that I know of.
Baldiewonkanobi
10-22-2009, 04:42 PM
STOP !!!
The Vitamin E was being trashed by me...does not work. Rheos formula does. Just that my old post was on Google under Vit E for some reason.
Baldie
musclegoddess65
10-22-2009, 05:08 PM
What I thought we were all bunking with Gman???? hehehehe...
BDD - check with Rich... we had all discussed the Arnold and getting a suite and I think... THINK Rich secured it.. it was gonna be me, Rich, GX.... I am sure there is room for a Big daddy... I only need floor space and a bathroom to shower...
What I thought we were all bunking with Gman???? hehehehe...
BDD - check with Rich... we had all discussed the Arnold and getting a suite and I think... THINK Rich secured it.. it was gonna be me, Rich, GX.... I am sure there is room for a Big daddy... I only need floor space and a bathroom to shower...
D, man up and sleep in your car.:p
musclegoddess65
10-22-2009, 05:17 PM
and honestly David... as long as your wife is cool with it and Matt is cool with it... and we can find a dive cheap enough (assuming the thing with Rich has fallen thru) I don't mind bunking with you... unless... you snore... then I might kill you..that is the worst sound in the world....
i bet he snores now, but won't be in March if he loses the weight.
At least that's how it works with me.
buckimscl
10-22-2009, 05:24 PM
Hey Mike, just tried to the Starkist Hickory tuna. Not too bad, not too bad!!
good stuff, for tuna especially
today's food...
too late to start the low cals today, will start in the morning
2 scoops of whey
2 scoops of whey and 20 jumbo cashews
pouch of tuna and 2 cups of broccoli, tbsp of pb
5 oz chicken breast and 2 tbsp of peanut butter
will have 2 cups of egg whites for dinner to stop the bleeding...too much fat today.
no pre bedtime meal, can't afford the calories.
my body is going to submit to me or else.
goodnight everybody. I am so tired from sleeping 4-5 hours a night lately, gotta go to bed at 9 tonight...
Eat well everyone, no cheating!
lol
blu2xtreme
10-22-2009, 08:33 PM
today's food...
too late to start the low cals today, will start in the morning
2 scoops of whey
2 scoops of whey and 20 jumbo cashews
pouch of tuna and 2 cups of broccoli, tbsp of pb
5 oz chicken breast and 2 tbsp of peanut butter
will have 2 cups of egg whites for dinner to stop the bleeding...too much fat today.
no pre bedtime meal, can't afford the calories.
my body is going to submit to me or else.
You do realize that's less food then you told me to eat.
I think you are trying to fatten me up:p
You do realize that's less food then you told me to eat.
I think you are trying to fatten me up:p
no, I am just trying to de-fatten me up!
musclegoddess65
10-23-2009, 06:47 AM
Mikey you have to cycle your calories... give the body low calories for a day or two, then a medium calorie day then a high calorie day... and don't give it the same low days, medium day and high day each week...
this way it never knows what to expect... its what helped me drop 85 lbs and that was eating carbs and not doing 90 minutes of slow boat to china cardio... I did about 20 min of HIIT cardio every other day w/moderate intensity cardio on the non HIIT days and lifted 30-45 minutes every other day...
musclegoddess65
10-23-2009, 06:47 AM
I know we all respond differently too...
buckimscl
10-23-2009, 06:52 AM
Checking in Mikey!!!
Baldiewonkanobi
10-23-2009, 07:18 AM
today's food...
too late to start the low cals today, will start in the morning
2 scoops of whey
2 scoops of whey and 20 jumbo cashews
pouch of tuna and 2 cups of broccoli, tbsp of pb
5 oz chicken breast and 2 tbsp of peanut butter
will have 2 cups of egg whites for dinner to stop the bleeding...too much fat today.
no pre bedtime meal, can't afford the calories.
my body is going to submit to me or else.
PM me your suppliments other than the whey which we see....
Baldie
blu2xtreme
10-23-2009, 11:20 AM
Did not like the hickory tuna at all - ate it but never again:no:
and yes I did try Franks on it - not the magic cure all I thought:)
Down4whatever
10-23-2009, 11:43 AM
Did not like the hickory tuna at all - ate it but never again:no:
and yes I did try Franks on it - not the magic cure all I thought:)
I LOL'd a little :yep:
blu2xtreme
10-23-2009, 11:51 AM
I LOL'd a little :yep:
If you saw the face's I made eating it you would of LOL'd a lot :hypno:
Mikey you have to cycle your calories... give the body low calories for a day or two, then a medium calorie day then a high calorie day... and don't give it the same low days, medium day and high day each week...
this way it never knows what to expect... its what helped me drop 85 lbs and that was eating carbs and not doing 90 minutes of slow boat to china cardio... I did about 20 min of HIIT cardio every other day w/moderate intensity cardio on the non HIIT days and lifted 30-45 minutes every other day...
I may try this in a month or so if what I am doing stops working....
Trying to keep it as simple as I can...eat less, exercise more right now.
My biggest change this time has been doing the cardio at 125-130 bpm instead of 100-105 like I was doing on Dave P's plan in the spring, with little to no effect.
Checking in Mikey!!!
How you doing, Mr Park?
Did not like the hickory tuna at all - ate it but never again:no:
and yes I did try Franks on it - not the magic cure all I thought:)
Never knew you had such poor taste
I LOL'd a little :yep:
me too...how can you not like that flavor? Regular tuna tastes like shit. Any flavor is better than plain! :p
If you saw the face's I made eating it you would of LOL'd a lot :hypno:
Probably would have paid to see it.
musclegoddess65
10-23-2009, 12:26 PM
I have to admit.. I can not stand cardio as it is... so the pace you need to go when doing keto... F'n kills me
buckimscl
10-23-2009, 12:26 PM
What's going on G? Mr. Park is dialed in and doing well. Finished meal three a little over an hour ago grilled chicken and baby greens salad. Got a pre workout protein shake to have in about an hour and then some training. How about you?
did arms and cardio today.
Close grip incline bb press: 4 sets
Cybex seated tricep extension machine: 3 sets
One arm db extensions: 3 sets
Palms out simultaneous db curls, standing: 4 sets
High pulley cable curls. 3 sets
Incline hammer curls: 3 sets
60 minutes on bike at 125 bpm
scale was a little lower today at 208.2...at least it wasn't 208.8 for the 4th straight day! lol
I have to admit.. I can not stand cardio as it is... so the pace you need to go when doing keto... F'n kills me
I will continue to add more and more until this back bacon comes off. shit I am hardly losing on keto with 7 day a week, 60 minute a day cardio. Most men would have lost 10lbs of water in the first week alone. I am down 6 so far in 19 days! lol
Welcome to my slightly hypothyroid world.
musclegoddess65
10-23-2009, 12:32 PM
you taking meds for the thyroid issues???
just started, I think it takes a while to work, like a couple of months
T4/T3 combo...mostly T4
HeavyDutyGuy
10-23-2009, 01:42 PM
6 lbs in 18 days is really good! That's like 10 or 11 lbs a month. What are your macros? Taking lipotropics, keep it up Gman, do it!
5lbs of water, 1 lb of fat...but I will take whatever I can get!
No stopping me this time!
Eating about 275 protein, 100 f and 50 carbs right now
going down on the fat so I can lose faster.
dammit...I look worse now than I did when I started almost 3 weeks ago...chest and shoulders look smaller, belly looks bigger...I am fucked.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/DSC00467.jpg
bigdaddyd
10-23-2009, 03:31 PM
Mike, TOTALLY different pose than before bro. Take this pose every week or 2 weeks to really know.
I understand what you mean though. My shoulders and chest are smaller right now too which is making my fat gut look even bigger bro. Just wait. Keep going down your road.
D
I looked so much better at 220 than now...I am so fucking pissed right now, you have no idea.
My pants are way looser, but I look fatter, WTF
I am seeing reality though, because I am not sucking my stomach in...also am realizing how small my frame really is.
Mike, TOTALLY different pose than before bro. Take this pose every week or 2 weeks to really know.
I understand what you mean though. My shoulders and chest are smaller right now too which is making my fat gut look even bigger bro. Just wait. Keep going down your road.
yeah man, you gotta post the exact same pose or how the heck can you compare.
I know I do...damn I wish I had a photographer in the family so I could do the same pose every time.
I am seriously close to tears...not joking.
Let me emphasize though, it is making me even more pissed and determined...this is too fucking ridiculous to look like...that fat is coming off...
TheTransformator
10-23-2009, 03:40 PM
dammit...I look worse now than I did when I started almost 3 weeks ago...chest and shoulders look smaller, belly looks bigger...I am fucked.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/DSC00467.jpg
Nah...G...that is normal...you lean out at the top first...which makes one look worst...gut goes last...you look like your on schedule...better yet...you look like you are going to win the damn thing...now don't disappoint me...JUST DO IT!
blu2xtreme
10-23-2009, 03:40 PM
I know I do...damn I wish I had a photographer in the family so I could do the same pose every time.
I am seriously close to tears...not joking.
train your daughter - pay her 5 bucks - use to work for me until she turned 15 and got a real life:p
Nice smile ;)
train your daughter - pay her 5 bucks - use to work for me until she turned 15 and got a real life:p
Nice smile ;)
she thinks I am gross without my shirt on...but money is money!
might work
Nah...G...that is normal...you lean out at the top first...which makes one look worst...gut goes last...you look like your on schedule...better yet...you look like you are going to win the damn thing...now don't disappoint me...JUST DO IT!
Thanks, TF
I am not going to quit...it's made my resolve even stronger.
musclegoddess65
10-23-2009, 03:49 PM
use that pissed off-ness Gman! if the $5 for the kiddo doesn't work... do the dishes for the wife one night in exchange for photo taking...or cooking a dinner one night... does not have to be gourmet...
and I like the smile too...
I bought a little $5 ultra mini tripod. I set it on a table and take my own shot with the camera timer. Every camera has timer mode and every camera has the universal threads on the bottom for the tripod. simple and you can take your own shots liek Back Dbl Bi, Rear Relaxed etc... plus all the front shots.
you girls are lucky I smiled so good...if I had known how I looked, it would have been a scowl! lol
It is what it is....no excuses, no pity, just pissed offness.
I gotta small frame, big deal...just get lean and deal with it
I bought a little $5 ultra mini tripod. I set it on a table and take my own shot with the camera timer. Every camera has timer mode and every camera has the universal threads on the bottom for the tripod. simple and you can take your own shots liek Back Dbl Bi, Rear Relaxed etc... plus all the front shots.
we have a tripod somewhere, I will have to dig it out and learn how to do the timer on our camera...
bigdaddyd
10-23-2009, 04:14 PM
This is how I did it for Palumbo last year
This is how I did it for Palumbo last year
a tripod you mean?
or look like shit?
I knew I was looking flat from the keto, but I had no idea I looked like a guy who has never lifted a weight in his life
lol
bigdaddyd
10-23-2009, 04:33 PM
A tripod man. I set up the tripod with the same lights in the same room every Sunday morning.
Most weeks i couldn't see a difference but he could. Only aboutonce every few weeks could I actually tell.
will take some doing, but maybe my non technical mind can figure it out!
bigdaddyd
10-23-2009, 04:36 PM
Dude...tripod...same room, same lights. What's technical about it? LOL
Put up the tripod in the semi-same spot every single week on the same day. That's it. nothing to it.
figuring out the damn camera D...can't hardly take a pic with it without a timer! adding the timer thing is going to be tough
bigdaddyd
10-23-2009, 04:41 PM
OK, man...then the $5 for the kid might work better
freebirdmac
10-23-2009, 05:47 PM
Stop freaking!! Everyone has it right! You're losing at a good pace, picts have to be consistent, leaner areas getting leaner can make less lean areas look worse, and keto can make you look flat. Do not panic and drop more cals and I wouldn't up cardio at this point either. This is just the start. It usually takes about 5 weeks to see changes until you're down to those last 3 months and really hit contest prep hard.
Breathe!
Baldiewonkanobi
10-23-2009, 06:06 PM
Smear on a half dozen tubes of Prep H. Wrap head to toe with Saran Wrap. Hit the dry sauna with a handfull of those mini Double Kick Red Bulls. Have the Mrs. pre dial 91-. 60 min later take your pic and post.
Hugs,
Baldie
Stop freaking!! Everyone has it right! You're losing at a good pace, picts have to be consistent, leaner areas getting leaner can make less lean areas look worse, and keto can make you look flat. Do not panic and drop more cals and I wouldn't up cardio at this point either. This is just the start. It usually takes about 5 weeks to see changes until you're down to those last 3 months and really hit contest prep hard.
Breathe!
as always, you guys are right...thanks, Pam...
I am calmer now that I have had a couple of hours to chill.
Smear on a half dozen tubes of Prep H. Wrap head to toe with Saran Wrap. Hit the dry sauna with a handfull of those mini Double Kick Red Bulls. Have the Mrs. pre dial 91-. 60 min later take your pic and post.
Hugs,
Baldie
should I take a few fatburners a half hour beforehand just to make sure?
bigdaddyd
10-23-2009, 06:09 PM
maybe some water pills too...NOT
musclegoddess65
10-23-2009, 07:16 PM
Dude...tripod...same room, same lights. What's technical about it? LOL
Put up the tripod in the semi-same spot every single week on the same day. That's it. nothing to it.
BDD cut him some slack... he IS an accountant....
not even good at math, MG
bigdaddyd
10-23-2009, 07:33 PM
BDD cut him some slack... he IS an accountant....
Oh alright....
not even good at math, MG
OK, I am a little concerned about that
freebirdmac
10-23-2009, 08:14 PM
Yeesh Mike, do you need a freaking NASA engineer to come help you out? Got a DVR to program as well? :p
Oh, and photography is my hobby.
Shadow
10-23-2009, 08:57 PM
I tried the garlic and herb tuna today (I bought most of the flavors). Damn, that was good!
Oh alright....
OK, I am a little concerned about that
That;s why God invented calculators
Yeesh Mike, do you need a freaking NASA engineer to come help you out? Got a DVR to program as well? :p
Oh, and photography is my hobby.
my wife does all the programming
I tried the garlic and herb tuna today (I bought most of the flavors). Damn, that was good!
It's good, has more fat than the others, but on keto, who gives a darn?
Shadow
10-23-2009, 09:33 PM
I've got the hickory one you rave about too. I'm gonna try it tomorrow.
2 vs 2 so far love vs hate
be warned
blu2xtreme
10-23-2009, 09:34 PM
I've got the hickory one you rave about too. I'm gonna try it tomorrow.
Don't do it :no:
Don't say I didn't warn you:p
Shadow
10-23-2009, 09:37 PM
Don't do it :no:
Don't say I didn't warn you:p
HAHAHA, i'll take a baby bite at first, so I'm not shocked
blu2xtreme
10-23-2009, 09:42 PM
HAHAHA, i'll take a baby bite at first, so I'm not shocked
Good choice and have something to wash the taste away :yep:
Let me know what you think of it:dunno:
you are tainting the jury, blu
blu2xtreme
10-23-2009, 09:55 PM
you are tainting the jury, blu
I'm like that ...I like to win ;)
buckimscl
10-24-2009, 08:35 AM
Hey Mike. I cooked an entire turkey breast for my eating this weekend. Can't hardly do fish anymore.
musclegoddess65
10-24-2009, 10:02 AM
not even good at math, MG
baby accountants do NOTHING math related w/o their calculators!!!
musclegoddess65
10-24-2009, 10:03 AM
I tried the garlic and herb tuna today (I bought most of the flavors). Damn, that was good!
the garlic and herb is good but OMG it does something wicked to my tummy... I'd run the dog out of the room if I had one...
bigdaddyd
10-24-2009, 10:31 AM
the garlic and herb is good but OMG it does something wicked to my tummy... I'd run the dog out of the room if I had one...
That's funny. I do that everyday with all the whey and eggs!
Except I BLAME the dog
:lmao:
blu2xtreme
10-24-2009, 10:57 AM
Hey Mike hope your having a great weekend.
Might try the lemon tuna today...feeling brave:p
Went down 2 lbs -after my panic of going up to fast - need to stay off
that damn scale :mad:
musclegoddess65
10-24-2009, 11:11 AM
That's funny. I do that everyday with all the whey and eggs!
Except I BLAME the dog
:lmao:
problem is... we don't HAVE a dog....
bigdaddyd
10-24-2009, 02:38 PM
Mike...tried the Pesto...yes it was Albacore and yes two bites in I threw it away. Damnit.
I did have the Garlic and herb though after that. It was ok. i added hotsauce and it was tolerable. Thanks for the headsup.
Hey Mike. I cooked an entire turkey breast for my eating this weekend. Can't hardly do fish anymore.
too lazy to do that, but it sounds good
baby accountants do NOTHING math related w/o their calculators!!!
it gets worse as I get older
i hate being an accountant
That's funny. I do that everyday with all the whey and eggs!
Except I BLAME the dog
:lmao:
i can eat 30 scoops of whey and a dozen eggs and still don't get gas from it.
Hey Mike hope your having a great weekend.
Might try the lemon tuna today...feeling brave:p
Went down 2 lbs -after my panic of going up to fast - need to stay off
that damn scale :mad:
weigh once a week at most on a bulk
like I said, I don;t like the lemon as much so you probably will like it
Mike...tried the Pesto...yes it was Albacore and yes two bites in I threw it away. Damnit.
I did have the Garlic and herb though after that. It was ok. i added hotsauce and it was tolerable. Thanks for the headsup.
garlic and herb is good, but has a ton of fat in it...it is really good on a low carb tortilla, which I can't have now.
I went to my college homecoming today and hung out most of the day for the parade and tailgate party with my frat brothers.
I have to say most of us look the same as 25 years ago...I am proud of my frat brothers for not getting way fat.
I was so tempted today but turned it all down...so far as of 6 pm I have eaten:
3 eggs and one cup of egg whites, with a fair amount of parmesan
about 5 oz of chopped pork bbq, no bun, no sauce
5 dorito chips
1 jumbo shrimp
2 scoops of whey and 1 1/2 tbsp of pb
handful of peanuts
I am so damn hungry I could scream
am I the only guy who weighs 208 and needs to drop down to medium shirts?
blu2xtreme
10-24-2009, 06:24 PM
Lemon tuna much better then hickory:)
Great job on handling your food today
Did you bring stuff with you to nibble on?
maybe your beef jerky you made would of helped
no food...I ate eggs at 6am
bbq, 1 shrimp, 5 doritos and handful of nuts at 1
whey and pb at 5
nothing since.
hungry but not hungry at the same time...I was starving a while ago, now I don't feel like eating.
Going to watch UFC at a party tonight and will be tempted again with beer and 15 types of food.
At least I am getting all the temptation in one day
blu2xtreme
10-24-2009, 06:33 PM
no food...I ate eggs at 6am
bbq, 1 shrimp, 5 doritos and handful of nuts at 1
whey and pb at 5
nothing since.
hungry but not hungry at the same time...I was starving a while ago, now I don't feel like eating.
Going to watch UFC at a party tonight and will be tempted again with beer and 15 types of food.
At least I am getting all the temptation in one day
Best way to handle temptation - be prepared for it.
Temptation really doesn't get to me anymore - have gotten use to dealing with it.:p
Have fun and be strong:)
Going to take a big whey shake with me...they might have more bbq which I will eat a little of. I will be ok.
I don't need much food today because I didn't do cardio...walked about 2 miles at W&M but that really does nothing, so I am not counting it.
The guy hosting the party is a bodybuilding fan and knows I am cutting, so he will be nice about it and not push me into eating food.
blu2xtreme
10-24-2009, 06:40 PM
Going to take a big whey shake with me...they might have more bbq which I will eat a little of. I will be ok.
I don't need much food today because I didn't do cardio...walked about 2 miles at W&M but that really does nothing, so I am not counting it.
The guy hosting the party is a bodybuilding fan and knows I am cutting, so he will be nice about it and not push me into eating food.
Cool helps when your friends know what you need:)
My friends really push fun at all costs - fun food and alcohol
have to slow down hanging with them - do great with the food part
but enjoy a cocktail to much:p
now that it's almost time to go, guess what?
Not hungry at all...it passed...
this is going to be so easy.
blu2xtreme
10-24-2009, 11:53 PM
Let us know how you did at the party
Bigdaddy did great at his:)
and I ran away from chicken fingers:D
bigdaddyd
10-25-2009, 12:07 AM
Let us know how you did at the party
Bigdaddy did great at his:)
and I ran away from chicken fingers:D
That's funny!!
decided sunday morning is not a good official weigh in day... 210.8
up 2.6 since Friday morning! lol
must have been the salty bbq last night of which I had about 8 oz of, and the 2 liter bottle of diet fanta orange I drank at the party. Plus I did no cardio yesterday
Going to the Y this morning to do 60-90 minutes of cardio, maybe I will sweat it out.
Just lucky I ate no carbs, who knows what I would weigh today.
buckimscl
10-25-2009, 09:25 AM
I agree Mikey. Always better to have an official weigh in day when the scale gods are smiling down on you :)
blu2xtreme
10-25-2009, 09:28 AM
I hate the scale God's :mad:
They lure me to the scale at all times of the day - even when I should know better:dunno:
almost makes me wish I had done a huge cheat meal...although I guess eating 12-14 oz of pork is kind of cheating, isn't it?
Probably need to put it all in fitday and see how much I ate, probably more calories than I think.
Got negative reward for not cheating, that will teach me.
I agree Mikey. Always better to have an official weigh in day when the scale gods are smiling down on you :)
yep, after blasting the cardio today and drinking 2 gallons of water and a pot of coffee, hopefully I will at least be back to 208 tomorrow!
I hate the scale God's :mad:
They lure me to the scale at all times of the day - even when I should know better:dunno:
I am doing better, I used to weigh more than once a day.
blu2xtreme
10-25-2009, 09:32 AM
Don't feel bad- ate that nasty tuna
and gained weight that's just wrong:no:
tried and as near as I can figure here were my macros
2,309 calories, 129g fat, 44g carb, 237 g protein
not great, not horrible
substituted pork loin for bbq, fitday doesn't seem to have carolina style pork bbq listed! lol
freebirdmac
10-25-2009, 10:43 AM
You don't eat right, you pay the price :whistle:
Baldiewonkanobi
10-25-2009, 12:06 PM
Hey this is a cool way to let the fellows at the gym know you are in Ketosis...
Baldie
You don't eat right, you pay the price :whistle:
tell me what I did wrong, if you will
don't see much wrong myself other than salt, and a little extra fat...no carbs though
today:
had 2 eggs and a cup of egg whites at 8:30
did 60 minutes at 135 bpm of cardio just now.
might eat again soon, not sure...don't feel much like eating today
it is so nice out today, finally feels like fall...80 and humid yesterday...60 and dry today...my kind of weather.
I hate heat so much...don't ask me why I live in Virginia because I can't really think of a good reason.
Baldiewonkanobi
10-25-2009, 12:57 PM
What I like about VA....
http://www.shenandoahvalley.com/home/
Nice peeps too
Baldie
now I could stand living there, I love the mountains.
I live in a flat area that is hot as hell and I hate going to the beach....what the hell am I doing here?
It could be worse, I could live in south FLorida.
Grew up here and stayed when my father died so my mom wouldn't be alone, now I am stuck here forever!
freebirdmac
10-25-2009, 01:11 PM
What I like about VA....
http://www.shenandoahvalley.com/home/
Nice peeps too
Baldie
I went to JMU in the valley. I loved living there but I've got sea water in my veins. I need to be closer to the ocean.
I went to JMU in the valley. I loved living there but I've got sea water in my veins. I need to be closer to the ocean.
it's really pretty up there...
I live 4 miles from the ocean.
I did not go to the beach this year.
food today so far
2 eggs and 1 cup of egg whites, 1tbsp of parmesan
2 scoops whey, 1.5 tbsp of peanut butter
1 oz of peanuts
starting to get slightly hungry now.
bigdaddyd
10-25-2009, 03:25 PM
great job so far G
gotta make up for eating way too much yesterday...
average out to 2000 or less hopefully for the weekend.
blu2xtreme
10-25-2009, 05:35 PM
Had ground turkey breast w/ my egg whites for lunch way better then tuna:)
4oz cal 120 fat 1.5 carb 0 protein 26 g
Doing the happy dance :excited:
No one ruin it for me:p
sounds awesome, I have never had ground turkey breast..
I despise ground dark meat turkey, but white meat might be good
Well, I have one more meal to eat tonight, a total of 4 meals and one snack...this will even me out
1,711 cal 87g fat, 52 g carbs, 201 g protein
I damn sure hope Rick is not really resigning and is just joking to get us all to quit...shit. I am gonna miss him, even his taunting.
I am taking the challenge through even if it is cancelled. I already booked everything and will not back out, so that's my warning to everyone, don't let up. Let's all do it for each other.
buckimscl
10-26-2009, 06:42 AM
We'll all be there brother!!
TheTransformator
10-26-2009, 06:51 AM
I damn sure hope Rick is not really resigning and is just joking to get us all to quit...shit. I am gonna miss him, even his taunting.
I am taking the challenge through even if it is cancelled. I already booked everything and will not back out, so that's my warning to everyone, don't let up. Let's all do it for each other.
That is the spirit G...!
We'll all be there brother!!
That is the spirit G...!
no fucking way I am quitting...I can see the ripped me in my mind and I look good.
Legs today
4 sets of squats
4 sets of seated leg curls
4 sets of smith stationary lunges for each leg
4 sets of plie squats
45 minutes on bike, 125 bpm
back to same weight I was on Friday....208.2
Kind of jealous of bucki...he lost more in one week than I have in 3, and hardly any cardio yet...
just have to work 5x harder, but that's ok.
buckimscl
10-26-2009, 09:56 AM
Don't be jealous Mike.:) The only person any of us are really competing against is ourselves! Being the best you that you can be. Stay the course bro.
musclegoddess65
10-26-2009, 09:58 AM
I damn sure hope Rick is not really resigning and is just joking to get us all to quit...shit. I am gonna miss him, even his taunting.
I am taking the challenge through even if it is cancelled. I already booked everything and will not back out, so that's my warning to everyone, don't let up. Let's all do it for each other.
have not logged on all weekend... did I miss something???
I am bro, I am....
time to cut the calories big time. lost .6 lbs last week.
fucking ridiculous
it is what it is, and I have to do what works for me which is to starve.
have not logged on all weekend... did I miss something???
thread he put up about resigning and leaving. put it up early am this morning
blu2xtreme
10-26-2009, 10:12 AM
I damn sure hope Rick is not really resigning and is just joking to get us all to quit...shit. I am gonna miss him, even his taunting.
I am taking the challenge through even if it is cancelled. I already booked everything and will not back out, so that's my warning to everyone, don't let up. Let's all do it for each other.
We'll all be there brother!!
You all better keep it going - I want you all looking good when I meet you in March - Everything is booked and I am so there :yep:
Shadow
10-26-2009, 10:16 AM
no fucking way I am quitting...I can see the ripped me in my mind and I look good.
Legs today
4 sets of squats
4 sets of seated leg curls
4 sets of smith stationary lunges for each leg
4 sets of plie squats
45 minutes on bike, 125 bpm
back to same weight I was on Friday....208.2
Kind of jealous of bucki...he lost more in one week than I have in 3, and hardly any cardio yet...
just have to work 5x harder, but that's ok.
That's the spirit! Nice leg work.
And I tried the hickory smoked tuna. Not bad, but not awesome either. I can see how the hot sauce would make it even better, though.
That's the spirit! Nice leg work.
And I tried the hickory smoked tuna. Not bad, but not awesome either. I can see how the hot sauce would make it even better, though.
thanks, shadow...I am thinking the HS tuna is better mixed in a casserole or something to most people.
buckimscl
10-26-2009, 11:02 AM
thanks, shadow...I am thinking the HS tuna is better mixed in a casserole or something to most people.
I think you're right about that. It would go well mixed with something else. Don't know what but something else.
Just thinking, 21 days straight with no: rice, pasta, bread, chips, oatmeal, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes, etc.
It's pretty tough, will see how I feel by the weekend...I couldn't finish an hour of cardio today after doing legs...felt exhausted.
Had a hard time doing 8 reps with 225 on squats...low carbs is starting to wear me down I think
Shadow
10-26-2009, 11:12 AM
thanks, shadow...I am thinking the HS tuna is better mixed in a casserole or something to most people.
Probably.
I think you're right about that. It would go well mixed with something else. Don't know what but something else.
There are recipes on the backs of the packs, maybe something like that.
Just thinking, 21 days straight with no: rice, pasta, bread, chips, oatmeal, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes, etc.
It's pretty tough, will see how I feel by the weekend...I couldn't finish an hour of cardio today after doing legs...felt exhausted.
Had a hard time doing 8 reps with 225 on squats...low carbs is starting to wear me down I think
Hang in there!
just keep posting those good avatars shadow, they keep me going
Shadow
10-26-2009, 11:18 AM
Lol!
Food so far
2 scoops of whey before workout
2 scoops of whey and 1 oz of cashews after workout
2 cups of asian medley veggies and pouch of Hickory Smoked Tuna for lunch
input all 6 fish oils too, even though I take them spread out.
after half my meals and counting all the fish oils:
925 cal
28.5 fat
42.6 carb
137.8 protein
starving today for some reason...gotta fight it. Eating lunch early, hope it doesn't backfire later.
Aiming for 1800 today
Baldiewonkanobi
10-26-2009, 11:58 AM
Yucky tuna. Todays recepie. Small can of low salt green beans. Marinate overnight with olive oil/Balsamic vinegar. Drain out dressing this morning and lay on 2 cans of drained no salt yucky tuna. 1/2 at 11ish and 1/2 at 2ish.
3:30 am 50gs whey, no training today...beat up. so back to sleep for another 1 1/2 hours. 7:30 my 2 yolks and 10 whites omlette with P nutt butter. Another 50 gs whey on drive to work here at 9.
Ya see its no better here in La La Land except the weather. 89 and dry as a cracker today. Winds outta the north so clear air to boot.
Baldie
the tuna recipe actually sounds good, Baldie!
here is what i did today...cooked 2 cups of asian medley veggies (green beans, broccoli, mushrooms and onions) in microwave...dumped copious amounts of Franks Hot sauce on it, and then mixed in a pouch of Hickory Smoked Tuna...not too bad for tuna. Hot sauce is nature's perfect condiment.
it's a rare clear day in LA it sounds like...better enjoy it!
my solution to the hunger pangs may be to start upping the caffeine...when I am jittery and nauseous I tend to not be hungry.
Down4whatever
10-26-2009, 12:27 PM
my solution to the hunger pangs may be to start upping the caffeine...when I am jittery and nauseous I tend to not be hungry.
I can give you this flu shit I have.....that'll keep you not eating :nonono:
I actually am starting to miss eating.....force-feeding today--right now eating my 1 cup cottage cheese 1% with chopped tomatoes and cucumbers and my wheat bagel with natty PB
I can give you this flu shit I have.....that'll keep you not eating :nonono:
I actually am starting to miss eating.....force-feeding today--right now eating my 1 cup cottage cheese 1% with chopped tomatoes and cucumbers and my wheat bagel with natty PB
I will pass on the flu...just gotta suck it up and do what it takes...
mmmm...cottage cheese....bagel....:drool:
I have to lose 4 lbs this week to get back on pace...will settle for 2-3 though..
When I get lean, I promise I will never get fat again...this sucks ass big time
bigdaddyd
10-26-2009, 03:15 PM
I will pass on the flu...just gotta suck it up and do what it takes...
mmmm...cottage cheese....bagel....:drool:
I have to lose 4 lbs this week to get back on pace...will settle for 2-3 though..
When I get lean, I promise I will never get fat again...this sucks ass big time
but this is who we have become!
musclegoddess65
10-26-2009, 03:30 PM
thanks, shadow...I am thinking the HS tuna is better mixed in a casserole or something to most people.\
plain right out of the package is my favorite way to eat it... don't know what's the matter with these peeps...
musclegoddess65
10-26-2009, 03:32 PM
Yucky tuna. Todays recepie. Small can of low salt green beans. Marinate overnight with olive oil/Balsamic vinegar. Drain out dressing this morning and lay on 2 cans of drained no salt yucky tuna. 1/2 at 11ish and 1/2 at 2ish.
3:30 am 50gs whey, no training today...beat up. so back to sleep for another 1 1/2 hours. 7:30 my 2 yolks and 10 whites omlette with P nutt butter. Another 50 gs whey on drive to work here at 9.
Ya see its no better here in La La Land except the weather. 89 and dry as a cracker today. Winds outta the north so clear air to boot.
Baldie
man those green beans sound YUMMY by themselves....and cold too!!!
musclegoddess65
10-26-2009, 03:34 PM
the tuna recipe actually sounds good, Baldie!
here is what i did today...cooked 2 cups of asian medley veggies (green beans, broccoli, mushrooms and onions) in microwave...dumped copious amounts of Franks Hot sauce on it, and then mixed in a pouch of Hickory Smoked Tuna...not too bad for tuna. Hot sauce is nature's perfect condiment.
it's a rare clear day in LA it sounds like...better enjoy it!
my solution to the hunger pangs may be to start upping the caffeine...when I am jittery and nauseous I tend to not be hungry.
when I am hungry and its not meal time... I tend to have a glass of the carbonated flavored sugar free waters from Walmart... Kiwi Strawberry is my favorite... they are clear, no calories, no sugar.... for ME the carbonation seems to ward off some hunger till the next meal....
but this is who we have become!
people who don't need food! Yeah, D....starting to believe it!
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plain right out of the package is my favorite way to eat it... don't know what's the matter with these peeps...
I am just trying to make them feel better...you and I are the only ones who like it out of the package!
when I am hungry and its not meal time... I tend to have a glass of the carbonated flavored sugar free waters from Walmart... Kiwi Strawberry is my favorite... they are clear, no calories, no sugar.... for ME the carbonation seems to ward off some hunger till the next meal....
good idea...will have to check it out when next time I go buy the 5 dozen eggs for $5.50 at walmart
just ate meal 4, 5 oz chicken breast with nothing else...
now at
1,154 calories
33.5 fat
42.6 carb
180.8 protein
so hungry, must not eat, must remain strong!
bigdaddyd
10-26-2009, 04:30 PM
Good job G. Im sucking wind today. My lunch went bad somehow and by the time I got to the cafe, they were closed. Fudgebuckets.....Ate a small can of Tuna but thats it for lunch. NO BUENO
need to get my ass home for steak tonight. tick tock tick tock
Good job G. Im sucking wind today. My lunch went bad somehow and by the time I got to the cafe, they were closed. Fudgebuckets.....Ate a small can of Tuna but thats it for lunch. NO BUENO
need to get my ass home for steak tonight. tick tock tick tock
Be one with the pain...I swear to God, my stomach actually hurts I am so fucking hungry.
I am not going to give in to myself...I am stronger than my fucking hunger.
Can't wait til 6:30 or so when I eat 2 cups of scrambled egg whites with a bunch of hot sauce....
240 calories but lots of volume
bigdaddyd
10-26-2009, 04:33 PM
You got that right G. Withstand your brain.
I can't remember who told me this a while back (someone on RX though for sure...and I think it was Girly Muscle or MG65)....just because you are hungry, doesn't mean you have to eat!
You got that right G. Withstand your brain.
I can't remember who told me this a while back (someone on RX though for sure...and I think it was Girly Muscle or MG65)....just because you are hungry, doesn't mean you have to eat!
Exactly. And also if you are hungry it means you are burning fat...(probably not true, but it sounds good)
bigdaddyd
10-26-2009, 04:36 PM
I'm going with that thinking at least until my steak is ready 2 hours from now.
Baldiewonkanobi
10-26-2009, 05:51 PM
Giant all greens salads with olive oil/Balsamic vinegar dressing. Celery sticks. One cup of dry popped popcorn. One thin slice of watermellon.
Come on already....liven up son....PARTY DOWN. :yep:
Its just gettin good.
Baldie
the hunger passed Baldie! almost time for dinner now...
I have figured out that 2-5 in the afternoon is when I am the hungriest...so will figure out something from your list to have around at that time. Once it got 5 o'clock, the hunger vanished!
blu2xtreme
10-26-2009, 08:05 PM
Sorry - I hit everyone's thread and forgot my old buddie
Hi sexy;)
are you blushing yet:p
Guess I should of mentioned chinese food instead:dunno:
final food tally after eating my protein shake for meal 6
1,738 calories
44g fat
72g carbs
281 g protein
blu2xtreme
10-26-2009, 08:51 PM
I don;t blush...
That almost sounded like a challenge :confused:
That almost sounded like a challenge :confused:
too tired and worn out to blush, that's all.
In fact I will be in bed in about 6 minutes, if I can get off this damn computer
the one night I want to go to bed at 9 and the damn "sound of freedom" is flying over my house every 10 seconds...
I live about 1/2 mile from the end of the Oceana NAS runway and they are practicing touch and goes right now....loud as shit.
another night with 6 hours sleep, can't take much more.
blu2xtreme
10-26-2009, 09:17 PM
the one night I want to go to bed at 9 and the damn "sound of freedom" is flying over my house every 10 seconds...
I live about 1/2 mile from the end of the Oceana NAS runway and they are practicing touch and goes right now....loud as shit.
another night with 6 hours sleep, can't take much more.
Love that sound ...reminds me of my days living on the Air Force base:)
these jets are twice as loud as the ones you used to hear...
no lie...120dbs flying about 150 ft over my house every 10-15 seconds for 3-4 hours straight...not my idea of a good time
bigdaddyd
10-26-2009, 09:23 PM
Sounds like my 2.50 year olds noise level
Sounds like my 2.50 year olds noise level
you have to experience it D...it would be a lot quieter to live in Baghdad
F/A-18 Super Hornets...loud as hell...
sometimes they go 10-12 hours straight every 15 seconds.
bigdaddyd
10-26-2009, 09:27 PM
Im sure they aren't as loud but I lived at Camp Lejeune for a year. Those choppers landing on my head 24/7 about drove me insane
buckimscl
10-27-2009, 06:48 AM
All that noise would take me back to my Navy days.
blu2xtreme
10-27-2009, 09:11 AM
A bunch of old Military guys no wonder I love you guys ;)
...and hi Mr CPA:p
Hope you had a great cardio morning and got some sleep last night.
freebirdmac
10-27-2009, 09:23 AM
Watch those cals Mike. You're going awfully low at a very early stage. You have got to have some patience :)
bigdaddyd
10-27-2009, 10:28 AM
We have been telling him the Free....he won't listen
All that noise would take me back to my Navy days.
they stopped at 10 so I got some sleep
A bunch of old Military guys no wonder I love you guys ;)
...and hi Mr CPA:p
Hope you had a great cardio morning and got some sleep last night.
I got 7 hours, would like to get 8 but will take 7!
Watch those cals Mike. You're going awfully low at a very early stage. You have got to have some patience :)
I know I should have patience but when you don't lose, something's got to give....only lost 1.5 lbs in the last 2 weeks...time is of the essence here!
I need to lose 33 lbs in 18 weeks, so the pace needs to quicken!
If I lose too fast I will eat more, I promise
We have been telling him the Free....he won't listen
D, she is not a cheat meal advocate!
Today I did chest:
pushups with feet on bench and hands on upside down bosu ball: 35 35 27 25 27
Incline bb press: 8/155 7/155 5/165 4/165 6/155
Incline db press with bench fairly steep: 7/60 6/60 5/60 5/60 4/60
Incline flys with bench fairly steep: 5/50 6/45 6/45 5/45 5/45
60 minutes of cardio at 128 bpm
shirt weighed about 2 lbs when I got done.
after 3 meals...I stand at
944 cal
28.5 g fat
36.6 g carb
147.8 g protein
buckimscl
10-27-2009, 01:31 PM
Good job Mike. Keep up the good work!
Good job Mike. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Bucki....
I weighed 207.0 today...not going to count it unless I am there 2-3 days straight!
Two women at the Y said that I looked leaner.
One said she didn't want to say anything because she didn't know I was trying to lose weight!:p
buckimscl
10-27-2009, 01:53 PM
You'll be fine. I got Fit watching me like a hawk now on my eating plan. :) Like she told me I'm not losing weight I leaning out.
Hey Gman, how often are you working each bodypart?I apologize if you have allready stated it. I was just wondering what most of you guys do,as in once a week or every 5 or 6 days.
freebirdmac
10-27-2009, 01:59 PM
Mike, 1.5 pounds over 2 weeks is fine! That's only what the scale says. Between scale error and water fluctuations it could easily be more. Keep under eating like that and you'll screw yourself in time. You shouldn't be that low until much later in the game. Stop panicking!
You'll be fine. I got Fit watching me like a hawk now on my eating plan. :) Like she told me I'm not losing weight I leaning out.
I am glad Fit is hawking you and not me, she is tough as nails!
Hey Gman, how often are you working each bodypart?I apologize if you have allready stated it. I was just wondering what most of you guys do,as in once a week or every 5 or 6 days.
Here's my split:
M-legs
T-chest
W-back
Th-shoulders
Fr-arms
also post workout cardio M-F for one hour at 125-130 bpm
Sat and Sun do the same cardio, but no lifting.
Try to do 16-20 sets per day
Baldiewonkanobi
10-27-2009, 02:06 PM
Mikie my man...how much muscle weight do you think you have added with the improved diet? I am down 43 fat and up 10 muscle according to my trained eye since 11 months ago. I still have 10 fat loss and plus 5 muscle to go...
Baldie
Mike, 1.5 pounds over 2 weeks is fine! That's only what the scale says. Between scale error and water fluctuations it could easily be more. Keep under eating like that and you'll screw yourself in time. You shouldn't be that low until much later in the game. Stop panicking!
I will call my doc, Allen Smolenski and talk with him about it...see what he thinks, too.
might bump to 2000 instead of 1800...2200 is definitely too high.
Waist is right at 38" now, so I have only lost 1/4-1/2" on my waist...so not just going by the scale.
Mikie my man...how much muscle weight do you think you have added with the improved diet? I am down 43 fat and up 10 muscle according to my trained eye since 11 months ago. I still have 10 fat loss and plus 5 muscle to go...
Baldie
I had a dexascan when I visited Allen 3 weeks ago...since my last one in April 2008, I had put on 4 lbs of muscle and 3 lbs of fat.
this is on TRT...without TRT I would be totally screwed.
lbm was measured at 172 3 weeks ago...not too good, but better than some people at 5'8"
trying to imagine how much weight bodyhard would have lost in the last 3 weeks doing my diet and cardio...he would be down 20 probably! lol
bad news on sleep, this was in our paper today
Residents who live near Navy air strips can expect more noise starting today and lasting for about a week.
Squadrons from Oceana Naval Air Station and Norfolk Naval Station are conducting field carrier landing practice at Oceana and Fentress Auxiliary Landing Field in Chesapeake, according to Oceana spokeswoman Kelley Stirling.
The increase in air operations is in support of training and upcoming deployments. Fentress will see day and night landings; flight operations at Oceana will end at 10 p.m.
Stirling said the heavier-than-normal flight schedule will last through next Tuesday, Nov. 3.
musclegoddess65
10-27-2009, 03:01 PM
Mike, 1.5 pounds over 2 weeks is fine! That's only what the scale says. Between scale error and water fluctuations it could easily be more. Keep under eating like that and you'll screw yourself in time. You shouldn't be that low until much later in the game. Stop panicking!
x2^^
musclegoddess65
10-27-2009, 03:03 PM
bad news on sleep, this was in our paper today
Residents who live near Navy air strips can expect more noise starting today and lasting for about a week.
Squadrons from Oceana Naval Air Station and Norfolk Naval Station are conducting field carrier landing practice at Oceana and Fentress Auxiliary Landing Field in Chesapeake, according to Oceana spokeswoman Kelley Stirling.
The increase in air operations is in support of training and upcoming deployments. Fentress will see day and night landings; flight operations at Oceana will end at 10 p.m.
Stirling said the heavier-than-normal flight schedule will last through next Tuesday, Nov. 3.
that sucks... I'd send ya some ambien if I could... I had a terrible nightmare last night and could not sleep
I know you ladies care about me and I appreciate it, but I know I don't lose weight on normal guy amounts of food....I am more like a woman when it comes to caloric requirements.
maybe I am wrong...and I hope I am, but last time I lost to 190 (my lowest weight in years), I had to eat next to nothing to do it.
In honor of your requests Pam and Kim, I just scarfed down 2 tbsp of almond butter!
that stuff should be outlawed it is 100x better than pb
musclegoddess65
10-27-2009, 03:27 PM
please I hate peanut butter!!! and I know your working with Allen so I hope you get your body figured out... I know one size, one plan, etc does NOT fit all! do what ya gotta do but we know deep down starvation won't work.. I hope working with Allen will get ya figured out
Just have to ask this: what does starvation really mean though?
Seriously, what do bodybuilders do who are at 20% like I am...it seems they have a much easier time than I do...or maybe they just stretch the truth...it makes me sick to see guys say they eat 3000 and do no cardio during a cut. I really don't know what the answer is.
Also you have to factor in clen, T3 and 600-800mgs of test, plus anavar in some people...of course they can eat more!
My definition is 1000 calories a day. Others may think 2000....what is the right answer?
I am not sure, just asking it rhetorically.
Allen says at our age, it just takes so much less food to maintain our weight, and we have to do what we have to do...plus I sit on my ass all day except when at the gym!
musclegoddess65
10-27-2009, 03:49 PM
well there is your answer... T3, clen, test and anavar :)
starvation... just means when you start cutting calories so low and upping cardio so high, your body is hanging on to every morsel you give it because it has no idea what the fuck your doing to it...
back in the caveman day our bodies were programmed to hold onto everything because it (the body) never knew when the next meal was coming - sadly it takes many years for our bodies to adjust to modern times - so when we start slashing calories to the bear bones and then adding in tons of cardio on top of it, the body HAS to have something to survive so it will keep everything... and I am not a DR nor do I play one on TV its only my .02
My body is in that mode before I even start cutting, so I am totally screwed...
I think a lot of it has to do with my totally sedentary life outside of the gym
Lots of guys doing this are trainers or blue collar workers who move all day long, so they can eat more.
Not sure if this is making any sense or if I am just rationalizing.
freebirdmac
10-27-2009, 04:24 PM
Bullshit. You don't give diets much of a chance. Between regular cheats in the past, under eating, and impatience you drop cals and end up very hungry, irritable, and frustrated. Our bodies do not turn on a dime. It can take weeks to see progress in the mirror. And the scale! It's been proven over and over to be a liar. You want results in your problem areas too fast! Talk to any woman who wanted to lose thigh fat. It takes freaking time to see progress! Even if your metabolism is sluggish your maintenance would still be on the order of 2700 cals. But there's no way to really know your maintenance as when you aren't trying to lean out you aren't exactly on point with diet to maintain.
I'm 5'4", weight about 110#, maybe 90# of lbm, hypothyroid, menopausal, and sit on my ass all day. I'll slowly lean out at 1750 cals.
I also think you should change your routine and get off the one body part a day routine. Shock your body with something like a 3-day split done 4x week, or a two day split done 2x week. Get a good hour of lifting in with little rest. Get out of your rut! Burn more calories while lifting.
Honestly, some of this seems to be a psychological backup for the failure you're truly expecting or maybe hoping for so you can have one of those cheat meals again. Stop the negative internal banter. Breaking bad food habits is hard. Put the blame where it belongs.
bodyhard
10-27-2009, 04:28 PM
Bullshit. You don't give diets much of a chance. Between regular cheats in the past, under eating, and impatience you drop cals and end up very hungry, irritable, and frustrated. Our bodies do not turn on a dime. It can take weeks to see progress in the mirror. And the scale! It's been proven over and over to be a liar. You want results in your problem areas too fast! Talk to any woman who wanted to lose thigh fat. It takes freaking time to see progress! Even if your metabolism is sluggish your maintenance would still be on the order of 2700 cals. But there's no way to really know your maintenance as when you aren't trying to lean out you aren't exactly on point with diet to maintain.
I'm 5'4", weight about 110#, maybe 90# of lbm, hypothyroid, menopausal, and sit on my ass all day. I'll slowly lean out at 1750 cals.
I also think you should change your routine and get off the one body part a day routine. Shock your body with something like a 3-day split done 4x week, or a two day split done 2x week. Get a good hour of lifting in with little rest. Get out of your rut! Burn more calories while lifting.
Honestly, some of this seems to be a psychological backup for the failure you're truly expecting or maybe hoping for so you can have one of those cheat meals again. Stop the negative internal banter. Breaking bad food habits is hard. Put the blame where it belongs.
Damn, you getting me excited!! :D :D :yep:
the blame is eating too much pure and simple.
I had my resting metabolic rate tested at 1940 calories
Add 700 for exercise and life
so yes Pam is correct, about 2700 maintenance.
I want to lose 1.75 lbs a week, so I have to go 6125 a week under, or 875 deficit a day
2700-875= 1825
I would love anyone to explain how that is too low, I even used Pam's number. Yes, maybe if I had no date picked, I would want to lose slower, but I do have a date and it's only 18 weeks away.
I am not going to fail, quit or let anything keep me from getting to 4% bf for this contest...so the psychological problems of the past are over.
Talk theory all you want, those are the hard and cold facts.
the split, yes maybe I will change that. Need to talk to my trainer about that...I already have cut my rest times down a lot between sets to try to burn more calories, but maybe there is a better way.
On the cardio, I honestly don't think I can go much harder...I had the damn bike set on level 12 today and still could hardly get my heart rate above 125-130. I was exhausted at the end.
PS, don't want a fucking cheat meal either! It would set me back too much...I have worked too hard to blow it on pizza
freebirdmac
10-27-2009, 04:50 PM
It's too low as you're only counting on diet to do this, short changing your nutrition way too far out, and risk losing muscle mass. Your body may very well like to partition cals towards fat rather than muscle. All the more reason to get out of your comfort zone with your lifting routine to keep your current mass as well as burn more cals doing so. You use a less drastic calorie deficit to help you hold on to that lbm and dump the bf instead. A solid ass kicking hour of weights in the gym plus some good cardio and no cheating on the diet will get the bf off. You'll be saner with more energy to boot. Where you're at now you'll need a wheelchair and stims to get to the Arnold.
700 cals for exercise and life? That's gotta be wrong. I burn about 1100 just with 4 lifting sessions and one cardio session. It doesn't include the rest of my life. Your deficit should be much larger than you think.
joedemarco
10-27-2009, 04:54 PM
the split, yes maybe I will change that. Need to talk to my trainer about that...I already have cut my rest times down a lot between sets to try to burn more calories, but maybe there is a better way.
On the cardio, I honestly don't think I can go much harder...I had the damn bike set on level 12 today and still could hardly get my heart rate above 125-130. I was exhausted at the end.
PS, don't want a fucking cheat meal either! It would set me back too much...I have worked too hard to blow it on pizza
Don't make the mistake of trying to use your weight training to help you burn calories and get cut. That is what cardio is for. Your weight training sessions are to build muscle mass (and towards the end of contest prep to try to maintain muscle mass). Competitors often make the mistake of turning their weight training into a circuit/interval session in an attempt to get lean. To me, that's a big mistake.
In regards to a cheat meal, if you are doing a keto diet, you should definitely utilize a weekly cheat meal for your thyroid. Even if you aren't doing a strict keto diet, a cheat meal is a great metabolism stimulator.
musclegoddess65
10-27-2009, 04:57 PM
Bullshit. You don't give diets much of a chance. Between regular cheats in the past, under eating, and impatience you drop cals and end up very hungry, irritable, and frustrated. Our bodies do not turn on a dime. It can take weeks to see progress in the mirror. And the scale! It's been proven over and over to be a liar. You want results in your problem areas too fast! Talk to any woman who wanted to lose thigh fat. It takes freaking time to see progress! Even if your metabolism is sluggish your maintenance would still be on the order of 2700 cals. But there's no way to really know your maintenance as when you aren't trying to lean out you aren't exactly on point with diet to maintain.
I'm 5'4", weight about 110#, maybe 90# of lbm, hypothyroid, menopausal, and sit on my ass all day. I'll slowly lean out at 1750 cals.
I also think you should change your routine and get off the one body part a day routine. Shock your body with something like a 3-day split done 4x week, or a two day split done 2x week. Get a good hour of lifting in with little rest. Get out of your rut! Burn more calories while lifting.
Honestly, some of this seems to be a psychological backup for the failure you're truly expecting or maybe hoping for so you can have one of those cheat meals again. Stop the negative internal banter. Breaking bad food habits is hard. Put the blame where it belongs.
dayum girl... .lets hear what ya really think ;)
hard to digest all this at once...I promise to think about it long and hard
Joe, what's your opinion on the calorie debate?
I want to hear what competitors do...if you had to lose 35 lbs in 18 weeks, how much would you eat a day?
Baldie, feel free too!
freebirdmac
10-27-2009, 05:20 PM
You know I only speak up because I really want you to do this. I don't want to see a repeat of past tries at leaning out.
I know Pam, I really appreciate it, too...
BTW, whenever you want to hit the gym, let me know...I get to drive this time!
I can be a hardheaded person when I think I am right!
It can be of me mis measuring my portions, not writing everything down, miserable genetics, low metabolism, or all of the above.
My doc said now I have no excuses, I am on thyroid meds, test gel, and have scientifically had my bf% measured by dexascan, and know exactly how much lbm I have. The rest is up to me.
fatbackgoal
10-27-2009, 05:44 PM
Note to self:
Never get on Freebird's bad side. With that being said I can completely agree with you. All the times I have tried to lose weight I am always looking for the excuse to stop and say "See I can't do it". Now with the contest I know I have to do it and have been able to do it. The first 40 pounds were easy, I know the next 40 will need work and discipline.
I know FBG...I have always had a fear of succeeding for some reason...this time I will overcome it.
I also know that 20% bf at my age is pretty healthy, and that the closer I get to 15, 10 and 5%, the tougher it's going to get.
Pam has seen this pic, but this is me at 193 a couple of years ago, almost my lowest since starting lifting in 2005.
I was all the way to there and I gave up, not going to do it this time, I will kill myself on the stairstepper doing cardio before I give up this time.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/namtrag/100_0576.jpg
freebirdmac
10-27-2009, 06:07 PM
Mike I wear a hr monitor when I lift, just because I'm a freaking geek. All of my routines from the start have been geared towards gaining mass. I can see that after two weeks on a new routine that my cal expenditure drops. Adaptation has already set in. Not with regards to mass gains, but cal expenditure. It takes another 8 weeks or so to feel that a routine change is needed. Not just swapping out exercises, we do that all along, but making some sort of significant change. Could be something like reps or sets or split. I can also see the benefits of multi-part training in terms of more cals burned. Again my routines are always geared towards mass gains. When bulking it means I need to eat more. When leaning out it means more fat loss. There are a lot of multi-body part mass gaining routines out there.
If you are missing something in tracking your diet fix it now. You shouldn't be guessing or ignoring your intake. You're too vulnerable. Both physically and psychologically.
Besides the scale changes, are you still seeing measurement changes? Do keep track of your leaner areas. If you're losing there you are losing in your problem areas too.
Yes! You need to come over to NN to workout! I need to get past the World Series first. I'm losing tons of sleep watching the post season games and using the weekend to try and catch up :D
Mike I wear a hr monitor when I lift, just because I'm a freaking geek. All of my routines from the start have been geared towards gaining mass. I can see that after two weeks on a new routine that my cal expenditure drops. Adaptation has already set in. Not with regards to mass gains, but cal expenditure. It takes another 8 weeks or so to feel that a routine change is needed. Not just swapping out exercises, we do that all along, but making some sort of significant change. Could be something like reps or sets or split. I can also see the benefits of multi-part training in terms of more cals burned. Again my routines are always geared towards mass gains. When bulking it means I need to eat more. When leaning out it means more fat loss. There are a lot of multi-body part mass gaining routines out there.
If you are missing something in tracking your diet fix it now. You shouldn't be guessing or ignoring your intake. You're too vulnerable. Both physically and psychologically.
Besides the scale changes, are you still seeing measurement changes? Do keep track of your leaner areas. If you're losing there you are losing in your problem areas too.
Yes! You need to come over to NN to workout! I need to get past the World Series first. I'm losing tons of sleep watching the post season games and using the weekend to try and catch up :D
I am not guessing on the food, but when I have a bad day it is usually because I kept the peanut butter jar nearby...everything else is measured to the T. I stopped keeping the peanut butter nearby after the first week, if you do an extra 2 tbsp in a day by absent mindedness, you just blew the whole day! Lesson learned. Everything else is easy to do: 2 scoops of whey, 1 cup of egg whites, 3 large eggs, 5 oz chicken breast, pouch of tuna...all of those are pretty idiot proof. I even tear the chicken breasts apart an bunch them how I need to to get 5 oz portions!
I have measured my leaner areas and they are losing too. Doc says you lose everywhere the same rate, but it shows up faster in your lean areas because there is not as much to lose...my arms are down under 16.5" already, a 1/2" drop. my chest is down an inch already. Waist only 1/2" though.
Scared to measure my thighs and calves, maybe tomorrow morning just to see.
My thighs were really small when I leaned out last time...all the way down to 23 1/2" from 25 1/4"
It's all good...I will get there this time...I have lots of support.
I won;t even watch the WS, my team got destroyed just now...the Dodgers.
Just let me know and I can come on a Saturday and do back or chest. Or something completely different depending on if I change my splits.
Down4whatever
10-27-2009, 06:30 PM
**chest bump smilie**
Proud of ya Mike!! Keep up the intensity bro!!! We're all behind you waiting anxiously to see your pride-laden smiles when you reach your goals!
**chest bump smilie**
Proud of ya Mike!! Keep up the intensity bro!!! We're all behind you waiting anxiously to see your pride-laden smiles when you reach your goals!
goal 1 is <200 lbs!!
almost there!
today I ate a little more, but not too bad
2,126 cal
85.7g fat
67.0g carb
295.6 g proteiin
freebirdmac
10-27-2009, 08:16 PM
Much better on the food :D
blu2xtreme
10-27-2009, 08:30 PM
It's all way beyond what I understand ...but I think you want it enough Mike that you will take it all in and use it to succeed.
I was going to ask Pam for help...but not ready for that...
she would eat me alive:p
freebirdmac
10-27-2009, 08:48 PM
It's all way beyond what I understand ...but I think you want it enough Mike that you will take it all in and use it to succeed.
I was going to ask Pam for help...but not ready for that...
she would eat me alive:p
Ha! Only if you set goals, started sabotaging yourself, then whined about it :D
It's all way beyond what I understand ...but I think you want it enough Mike that you will take it all in and use it to succeed.
I was going to ask Pam for help...but not ready for that...
she would eat me alive:p
ahh, she's a pussycat!
Ha! Only if you set goals, started sabotaging yourself, then whined about it :D
who????
you people know me better than I know myself...shit this is starting to scare me. Maybe I should start lying more.
seriously, with you guys behind me, how can I fail?
And when I finally prove to myself I can do it...it will make a big difference for the rest of my days.
just curious, does anyone else get sore lats from doing chest work? Or is it just me?
blu2xtreme
10-27-2009, 09:17 PM
Ha! Only if you set goals, started sabotaging yourself, then whined about it :D
no only guys do that:p
ok maybe I do too ...sometimes:dunno:
Really focused right now ...finally got my head in the muscle building mind frame again
Shadow
10-27-2009, 09:42 PM
just curious, does anyone else get sore lats from doing chest work? Or is it just me?
Funny you should mention this. I never have before until now. After this last chest workout my mid back is sore. Probably because the lats assist some when you press heavy.
Funny you should mention this. I never have before until now. After this last chest workout my mid back is sore. Probably because the lats assist some when you press heavy.
Yeah I think it's the down motion where your lats are trying to keep the weight from falling.
Your avatars never cease to excite me.
buckimscl
10-28-2009, 06:52 AM
Checking in G.
musclegoddess65
10-28-2009, 09:25 AM
I know Pam, I really appreciate it, too...
BTW, whenever you want to hit the gym, let me know...I get to drive this time!
I can be a hardheaded person when I think I am right!
It can be of me mis measuring my portions, not writing everything down, miserable genetics, low metabolism, or all of the above.
My doc said now I have no excuses, I am on thyroid meds, test gel, and have scientifically had my bf% measured by dexascan, and know exactly how much lbm I have. The rest is up to me.
does Allen do dexascan at his office???
No he sends you to Carolina Forest Imaging...costs about $85 I think, but I ran it through insurance, and it was covered 100%.
Checking in G.
doing good bucki, thanks for checking in.
back workout today
DB shrugs with 100 lb dbs's: 20 20 16 17
Palumbo's rear delt db exercise, hard to describe, used a 55lb db: 4 sets of 15 each side
Overhand bb rows with 225: 8 8 7
Underhand bb rows with 225: 6 5 6
DB rows, both hands at same time, 90 lb db's: 8 8 10
Cybex back extension machine: 10/210 10/230 10/230
60 minutes of cardio, no heart rate showed up, I must be a zombie.
Tough today, definitely losing strength, especially on bb rows.
Wanted to quit cardio at 25 minutes, but pushed on.
I wanted to put up my measurements for Pam...I have lost a lot of size all over, probably mainly from keto, which makes you shed the water.
Here are the measurements from this morning vs September 18 which was the last time I did full measurements:
Weight: 207 vs 215 (down 8)
Neck: 16 3/4 vs 17 (down 1/4)
Shoulders: 50 vs 51 (down 1)
Chest: 44 1/2 vs 45 3/8 (down 7/8)
Waist: 38 vs 38 3/4 (down 3/4)
Hips: 40 1/2 vs 41 (down 1/2)
Thigh: 24 3/4 vs 25 (down 1/4)
Calf, flexed: 17 vs 17
Bicep flexed: 16 3/8 vs 16 3/4 (down 3/8)
Forearm flexed: 13 1/2 vs 13 3/4 (down 1/4)
Ironically the one body part I have done no work on it almost 2 years is the one that has stayed the same, my calves.
blu2xtreme
10-28-2009, 10:19 AM
Have a great day ...looking forward to your next progress pics:)
Numbers are hard for a non math person to visually:p
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 10:34 AM
Nice workout G. Everything is "down" on you...thats great
hard to take shrinking but it's all fat anyway, so just have to go on with it!
My chest and shoulders are tiny for a guy my size, but that's ok.
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 10:35 AM
Its all an illusion anyway man. Widen them shoulders out!
Shadow
10-28-2009, 10:38 AM
Yeah I think it's the down motion where your lats are trying to keep the weight from falling.
Your avatars never cease to excite me.
There's some gripping your back does too when you push it up. Ronnie Coleman talks about it in one of his DVD, when I think somebody asks him why he doesn't where a tank top on back day.
And they get to me too! :yep:
back workout today
DB shrugs with 100 lb dbs's: 20 20 16 17
Palumbo's rear delt db exercise, hard to describe, used a 55lb db: 4 sets of 15 each side
Overhand bb rows with 225: 8 8 7
Underhand bb rows with 225: 6 5 6
DB rows, both hands at same time, 90 lb db's: 8 8 10
Cybex back extension machine: 10/210 10/230 10/230
60 minutes of cardio, no heart rate showed up, I must be a zombie.
Tough today, definitely losing strength, especially on bb rows.
Wanted to quit cardio at 25 minutes, but pushed on.
Nice work, even though the diet was sapping your strength.
page one of my last dexa in case anyone is interested
blu2xtreme
10-28-2009, 11:45 AM
page one of my last dexa in case anyone is interested
You are such a show off :p
I looked back at my bodyspace on bbing.com....in Feb of 2008 when I was 206, my chest was only 42 and my shoulders were 48, so I have put on some size up top.
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 01:41 PM
HELLO....we have been ALL telling you that Keto boy
HELLO....we have been ALL telling you that Keto boy
that's my new name, Keto Boy!
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 01:50 PM
I like smalltime better
I like smalltime better
you really talking smack today, D!
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 01:55 PM
I got a migraine....I just had some potato (read that again buddy), I haven't worked out but 1 of 3 days this week....I got extra energy.....LOL
I got a migraine....I just had some potato (read that again buddy), I haven't worked out but 1 of 3 days this week....I got extra energy.....LOL
I would kill for a sweet potato with butter, brown sugar and cinnamon right now.
Probably would gain 2lbs from an 8 oz serving though.
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 01:59 PM
I had that with my steak last night.
fuck you...and I mean that in the nicest possible way.
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 02:01 PM
I love you too pal....I would tell me to fuck off personally. Now, on the other hand, I won't have anymore real carbs until probably Sunday night except veggies.
That being said....I am down 3/4 inch on the gut. No idea on the weight because I just don't care yet.
good job on the waist...if you are down 3/4 in the gut, you probably lost a lot elsewhere too.
I may have to start worrying a bit soon.
NAHHH
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 02:04 PM
good job on the waist...if you are down 3/4 in the gut, you probably lost a lot elsewhere too.
I may have to start worrying a bit soon.
NAHHH
Definitely down in the chest/traps/F'n arms.....and ass. But I have 3 small people tucked into my gut so you have time to not worry....just yet
It's all good, D....we are already better off in just a few weeks...if we keep it up for 18 more weeks, hardcore, no fucking up, we will be incredible.
bigdaddyd
10-28-2009, 02:09 PM
G....I invented Mr. Incredible based on my good looks and awesome body.
Shoot, I should have carbs more often....LOL
freebirdmac
10-28-2009, 03:23 PM
I wanted to put up my measurements for Pam...I have lost a lot of size all over, probably mainly from keto, which makes you shed the water.
Here are the measurements from this morning vs September 18 which was the last time I did full measurements:
Weight: 207 vs 215 (down 8)
Neck: 16 3/4 vs 17 (down 1/4)
Shoulders: 50 vs 51 (down 1)
Chest: 44 1/2 vs 45 3/8 (down 7/8)
Waist: 38 vs 38 3/4 (down 3/4)
Hips: 40 1/2 vs 41 (down 1/2)
Thigh: 24 3/4 vs 25 (down 1/4)
Calf, flexed: 17 vs 17
Bicep flexed: 16 3/8 vs 16 3/4 (down 3/8)
Forearm flexed: 13 1/2 vs 13 3/4 (down 1/4)
Ironically the one body part I have done no work on it almost 2 years is the one that has stayed the same, my calves.
Mike those numbers are really good for just a tad over a month!! The fact that your thigh only went down 1/4" versus 3/4" for your waist and 7/8" for your chest is great. It's coming off proportionately. Keep it up and don't panic!
bodyhard
10-28-2009, 03:30 PM
Mike you have a really good crowd here man, they are definitely rooting you!!
Stay consistent man I know you are gonna come through strong!
Oh and by the way it is YANKEES motherfucker!
Mike those numbers are really good for just a tad over a month!! The fact that your thigh only went down 1/4" versus 3/4" for your waist and 7/8" for your chest is great. It's coming off proportionately. Keep it up and don't panic!
I am excited, think it shows some great results already!
Mike you have a really good crowd here man, they are definitely rooting you!!
Stay consistent man I know you are gonna come through strong!
Oh and by the way it is YANKEES motherfucker!
I was just trying to bait you into getting banned over there again! lol
freebirdmac
10-28-2009, 03:48 PM
Go Yankees!!!!!!!
:yep:
I will be in bed by 9:30 or 10 every night. I really can't go without sleep anymore...this diet is brutalizing me, and I need all the sleep I can get!
If it were the Dodgers I would go ahead and suffer and stay up til 1 am, but not for the Phillies and Yankees!
bodyhard
10-28-2009, 03:51 PM
I am excited, think it shows some great results already!
I was just trying to bait you into getting banned over there again! lol
LOL in time my friend in time :D
Loved the pic of Chubaca for GBG HILARIOUS!!!
Down4whatever
10-28-2009, 04:06 PM
LOL in time my friend in time :D
Loved the pic of Chubaca for GBG HILARIOUS!!!
I really have a STRONG dislike for that chic.....what's with the pic? I don't get it..
I really have a STRONG dislike for that chic.....what's with the pic? I don't get it..
she is the biggest know it all of all time over there...especially for someone who doesn't know jack shit.
Down4whatever
10-28-2009, 04:11 PM
she is the biggest know it all of all time over there...especially for someone who doesn't know jack shit.
I saw Kevin (DBX) got banned for calling her out for rep trading....and for bashing Boodog, lol. Kevin is hilarious
I saw Kevin (DBX) got banned for calling her out for rep trading....and for bashing Boodog, lol. Kevin is hilarious
kevin got on my shit list big time in the health insurance thread, so I put him on ignore where he belongs...
I basically told him to go f himself, which I later edited out.
I put him on ignore, and didn't even read his response to my post.
Down4whatever
10-28-2009, 04:17 PM
kevin got on my shit list big time in the health insurance thread, so I put him on ignore where he belongs...
I basically told him to go f himself, which I later edited out.
I put him on ignore, and didn't even read his response to my post.
Yeah, I have a love/hate relationship with him--he can be really funny when he's not being obnoxious.
haven't put stuff on fitday today, but here is what I had so far...I was really hungry so I ate a little more than I wanted but it was clean stuff:
2 scoops of whey pre workout
2 scoops of whey and 20 cashews postworkout
2 cups broccoli, 1 pouch of tomato pesto albacore tuna, 3 tbsp of almond butter
2 scoops of whey
pouch of tomato pesto tuna and 1 tbsp of pb
6 fish oils.
freebirdmac
10-28-2009, 05:19 PM
Kevin and I get along fine, as long as the talk is far,far away from politics! He's almost as bad as my Ayn Rand loving best friend :) GBG doesn't bother me. Kimberly and now ctrainer otoh bug me to no freaking end. Be glad know it all/nothing to show Miranda from the female forums doesn't go into the OV35 area. Sometimes it's so hard to be nice :)
Baldiewonkanobi
10-28-2009, 06:00 PM
Wow...lotta crap at the old site.
Hey Birdie...."A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others"......
1. Weider?
2. Rand?
3. Heffner?
4. Palumbo?
5. Wonkanobi?
Baldie
freebirdmac
10-28-2009, 06:27 PM
Wow...lotta crap at the old site.
Hey Birdie...."A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others"......
1. Weider?
2. Rand?
3. Heffner?
4. Palumbo?
5. Wonkanobi?
Baldie
Lol! Are you another? "Who's John Gault?" We'll stay away from politics :yep:
blu2xtreme
10-28-2009, 08:15 PM
Kevin and I get along fine, as long as the talk is far,far away from politics! He's almost as bad as my Ayn Rand loving best friend :) GBG doesn't bother me. Kimberly and now ctrainer otoh bug me to no freaking end. Be glad know it all/nothing to show Miranda from the female forums doesn't go into the OV35 area. Sometimes it's so hard to be nice :)
You loved me though right:hmn:
freebirdmac
10-28-2009, 08:19 PM
You loved me though right:hmn:
Oh yeah, you were fine. :)
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