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TPT
12-06-2009, 06:05 PM
schwanbeck et al. (2009) found a 43% greater muscle activation during the free weight squating compared to the smith machine squating. activation of the quads and hams and gastrocs were greater for free weight squats. while activation of the trunk stabilizers was similar across the both squat exercises.

thoughts?


A Comparison of Free Weight Squat to Smith Machine Squat Using Electromyography (http://forums.rxmuscle.com/nsca-jscr/Fulltext/2009/12000/A_Comparison_of_Free_Weight_Squat_to_Smith_Machine .23.aspx)
Schwanbeck, Shane; Chilibeck, Philip D; Binsted, Gordon
The Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research. 23(9):2588-2591, December 2009.
doi: 10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181b1b181

Abstract:

Schwanbeck, S, Chilibeck, PD, and Binsted, G. A comparison of free weight squat to smith machine squat using electromyography. J Strength Cond Res 23(9): 2588-2591, 2009-The purpose of this experiment was to determine whether free weight or Smith machine squats were optimal for activating the prime movers of the legs and the stabilizers of the legs and the trunk. Six healthy participants performed 1 set of 8 repetitions (using a weight they could lift 8 times, i.e., 8RM, or 8 repetition maximum) for each of the free weight squat and Smith machine squat in a randomized order with a minimum of 3 days between sessions, while electromyographic (EMG) activity of the tibialis anterior, gastrocnemius, vastus medialis, vastus lateralis, biceps femoris, lumbar erector spinae, and rectus abdominus were simultaneously measured. Electromyographic activity was significantly higher by 34, 26, and 49 in the gastrocnemius, biceps femoris, and vastus medialis, respectively, during the free weight squat compared to the Smith machine squat (p < 0.05). There were no significant differences between free weight and Smith machine squat for any of the other muscles; however, the EMG averaged over all muscles during the free weight squat was 43% higher when compared to the Smith machine squat (p < 0.05). The free weight squat may be more beneficial than the Smith machine squat for individuals who are looking to strengthen plantar flexors, knee flexors, and knee extensors.
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ob205
12-08-2009, 11:42 AM
I believe most people intuitively know the Free Squat is superior to the Smith for muscle growth and strength development, I think the more relevant issue is the negative shearing effect it has on the knees and the fixed movement pattern, which I am sure you can expound on better than myself.

Ryan Bracewell
12-08-2009, 01:14 PM
As stated above, I think most would assume this without even seeing the study. I would be more interested in seeing a comparison of Back squat, Front squat, and Romanian One Leg squat.

TPT
12-08-2009, 01:39 PM
I believe most people intuitively know the Free Squat is superior to the Smith for muscle growth and strength development, I think the more relevant issue is the negative shearing effect it has on the knees and the fixed movement pattern, which I am sure you can expound on better than myself.


people argue for the effectiveness for both, intuitively. most likely squat larger weights using the smith machine. thus, arguements could made for the superiority of smith squats for hypertrophy or strength.

knee joint shear forces should certainly be of great concerns to bodybuilders for prevention of injury and obviously for those already with injury. interesetingly, squats are typically safe in regards to abnormal shear forces because of the cocontractions of the quads and hams. leg extension or leg curl machines generater much greater shear forces anteriorly or posteriorly. e.g., those with acl sprains should avoid leg extensions.

also, the smith squat can be used to change shear forces. e.g., those the a history of acl sprains might use the smith machine with feet forward to reduce anterior shear forces.

TPT
12-08-2009, 01:46 PM
As stated above, I think most would assume this without even seeing the study. I would be more interested in seeing a comparison of Back squat, Front squat, and Romanian One Leg squat.


assumptions, assumptions.

many assume that free weight squats might activate stabilizers such as the errectors and abs more. however, the aforementioned study did not show this. that should interst bodybuilderss including the reasons why the results occured.

many might say smith squats allow for a greater stress on the quads and hams. thus, increase the likelyhood of hypertrophy. the following study suggests so.


J Strength Cond Res. (javascript:AL_get(this, 'jour', 'J Strength Cond Res.');) 2005 Feb;19(1):169-76.
Comparison of muscle force production using the Smith machine and free weights for bench press and squat exercises.

Cotterman ML (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Cotterman%20ML%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Darby LA (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Darby%20LA%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract), Skelly WA (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Skelly%20WA%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_RVAbstract).
Department of Athletics, Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa 50311, USA.
The Smith machine (SM) (vertical motion of bar on fixed path; fixed-form exercise) and free weights (FWs) (free-form path) are commonly used strength training modes. Exercisers may need to alternate between types of equipment, depending on testing, training, rehabilitation, and/or the exercisers' goals. The purposes of this study were to compare muscle force production for SM and FWs using a 1 repetition maximum (1RM) for the parallel back squat and supine bench press exercises and to predict the 1RM for one mode from 1RM on the other mode. Men (n = 16) and women (n = 16) alternately completed 1RM testing for squat and bench press using SM and FWs. Analyses of variance (type of equipment x sex) and linear regression models were calculated. A significant difference was found between bench press and squat 1RMs for each mode of equipment for all participants. The squat 1RM was greater for the SM than the FWs; conversely, the bench 1RM was greater for FWs than the SM. When sex was considered, bench 1RM for FWs was greater than SM for men and women. The squat 1RM was greater for SM than FWs for women only. The 1RM on one mode of equipment was the best predictor of 1RM for the other mode. For both sexes, the equation SM bench 1RM (in kilograms) = -6.76 + 0.95 (FW bench 1RM) can be used. For women only, SM squat 1RM (in kilograms) = 28.3 + 0.73 (FW squat 1RM). These findings provide equations for converting between SM and FW equipment for training.

PMID: 15705030 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

TPT
12-08-2009, 05:38 PM
limitations to the study exist and the following figure illustrates some of them.

to be specific- statistical significant differences were found between free weight and smith squats for gastrocs, vastus medialis, and biceps femoris. however, there were trends towards higher activity for free weight activity overall. significant differences of the trunk muscles might have been found if larger amounts of subjects were used.



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TPT
12-08-2009, 06:27 PM
this editorial was just published as well and is for all you muthas only lurking.

take a read and provide some feedback.


Strength and Conditioning Journal:
December 2009 - Volume 31 - Issue 6 - pp 25-27
doi: 10.1519/SSC.0b013e3181bb397c
Other Features: Point/Counterpoint

Sitting Back in the Squat

Chiu, Loren Z F PhD, CSCS

Abstract


SQUATTING AND ITS VARIATIONS ARE PERHAPS THE MOST USED EXERCISE IN STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING. HOWEVER, THERE IS CONTROVERSY ON THE PROPER METHOD OF PERFORMING THE SQUATTING EXERCISE. WHEN COACHING THE SQUATTING EXERCISE, MECHANICS OF THE JOINTS AND SEGMENTS SHOULD BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED TO OPTIMIZE THE TRAINING STIMULUS AND MINIMIZE INJURY POTENTIAL.

PRO

The squat is one of the most popular exercises for developing lower-body strength, but technically speaking, the squat can be a difficult exercise for many athletes to perform correctly. Coaches should use the cue, sit back into the squat, as a way to teach proper squatting technique. The goal of the squat exercise is to increase lower-body strength, which is thought to carry over to athletic performance. At the same time, it should be performed in a way that minimizes injury risk during training. Sitting back into the squat is an effective teaching method to help athletes perform this exercise correctly and achieve those two goals.

Sitting back into the squat, also known as the hip hinge by McGill (6 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P30)), should be used to initiate the eccentric portion of the lift. Sitting back allows the gluteus maximus-the powerful hip extensors-to immediately become a part of the lift, particularly increasing activation in a deeper squat. Without this posterior shift, the squat exercise will emphasize the quadriceps throughout the lift. Research shows that sitting back and preventing the knees from moving too far beyond the toes does increase hip torque (2 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P26)).

This same research and more has shown that sitting back to minimize anterior translation of the knees will also decrease torque at the knee joints (2,5 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P26)). The quadriceps are still a major component of the lift, but now, the glutes can share the load more evenly distributing forces throughout the lower extremities. For those with knee pain, this can make an immediate difference in their ability to perform the lift. For athletes without current knee issues, it can be a way to avoid future problems because of overloading. To achieve a parallel squat or deeper, the knees will travel past the toes to a degree, but it should be clear that sitting back is not a way of preventing this but rather limiting excessive anterior shift.
Engaging the glutes by sitting back also has the effect of preventing excessive lumbar lordosis, a common cause of spondylolytic disorders. The gluteus maximus has the ability to resist excessive anterior tilting of the pelvis because it offsets the pull of the lumbar paraspinals, to keep the lumbar spine in a neutral position. It has been suggested that repetitive hyperextension movements (extension of the lumbar spine beyond the anatomical limits) place stress through the pars interarticularis and over time may lead to a spondylolysis (4,7 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P28)). The ability to maintain a neutral lumbar spine throughout the lift has been shown to increase stability through the spine, allows it to bear greater compressive loads, and reduces shear forces (3 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P27)).

Another biomechanical advantage of sitting back is to reduce the ankle dorsiflexion moment. In other words, the tibia stays more vertical. As the knees travel past the toes, dorsiflexion requirements become greater. An athlete with stiff ankles will do 1 of 3 things: (a) the heels could come off the floor and increase shear forces at the knee (5 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P29)), (b) the heels come off the floor causing the athlete to lose balance, and (c) excessive subtalar pronation occurs along with femoral internal rotation with the result being unacceptable valgus at the knees. The combination of increased knee valgus and anterior tibial shear forces has also been shown to increase stress on the anterior cruciate ligament (5 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P29)).

When using the squat exercise to enhance performance, sitting back can be an advantageous teaching tool because of the greater amount of hip extension and contribution from the glute complex. It has been shown that during acceleration, the glutes and quadriceps supply the majority of force during triple extension (1 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P25)). This could be significant for an athlete exploding out of a 3-point stance or from blocks, as well as those positioned in a defensive position who must then accelerate in another direction.

To change direction quickly, an athlete needs to be able to resist the momentum of the center of mass via eccentric contractions of the leg extensor muscles (8 (http://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/Fulltext/2009/12000/Sitting_Back_in_the_Squat.3.aspx#P32)). Effective change of direction then requires the athlete to get low with an increased trunk flexion angle to effectively recruit the glutes. In essence, this is sitting back just as taught in the squat.

Teaching athletes to sit back to initiate the squat can have several important benefits, including a more even distribution of load between the hip and knee extensors, maintaining a neutral spine, keeping the heels on the floor, and preventing valgus collapse of the knees. Each of these can lead to a safer and more effective squat during training and potentially lead to greater athletic performance.

Joe Heiler, PT, CSCS
SportsRehabExpert.com, Kingsley, MI.

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CON

The barbell squat is an important core exercise for multijoint strength training of the lower extremity. Executed properly, this exercise challenges the ankle, knee, hip, and back extensor muscle groups. Knowledgeable coaches and strength professionals recognize the importance of proper technique to both performance and injury prevention. Unfortunately, many definitions of proper technique exist, and accepted criteria are not always mutually compatible. This can lead to misconceptions that undermine effective training and risk athletes' health.

One of the most common instructions given to athletes performing the squat is to sit back during the descending phase of the movement. This is often measured by the position of the knee joint compared with that of the toe. According to many practitioners and National Strength and Conditioning Association guidelines, the knee should not travel anterior to the toe (1). Two reasons are usually cited: (a) an emphasis on loading the hip extensor muscles and (b) protection of the knee joint from excess flexion. While sitting back may be effective for some athletes, it has important drawbacks to consider. Furthermore, neither goal requires the athlete to make a purposeful effort to sit back, and there are advantages in not doing so.

Sitting back places the hip joint further behind the feet. Because this moves the body's center of mass posteriorly, maintaining weight over the feet requires some form of compensation to prevent falling backward. This is usually accomplished by anterior lean of the trunk, ideally from increased hip flexion while maintaining a neutral spine. However, this requires adequate hip range of motion (ROM) as well as back extensor strength and spinal stability. Otherwise, an athlete must flex the spine to maintain balance, presenting well-documented risks that contradict accepted squatting guidelines (1,6). A study by Fry et al. (4) showed that restricted anterior movement of the knees during squatting increased loads at the hip but also caused excessive forward lean of the trunk and was likely to inappropriately transfer load to the lower back. Although reduced knee flexion is proposed to decrease stress in the knee, it may also compound risk to the spine by limiting hip ROM afforded by the 2-joint hamstring muscles. Thus, in an attempt to protect the knee, sitting back may pose additional risk to the spine. Further, recent evidence suggests that excess flexion can aggravate hip joint pathology (e.g., acetabular impingement and/or labral tears) in some athletes (5).

The major determinant of lower extremity joint loads during the squat is the location of the ground reaction force (GRF). Especially with higher barbell loads, GRF location is driven primarily by the position of the upper body because it has the greatest mass. Whether one sits back or not, forward lean of the trunk and/or greater barbell mass places greater relative demand on the hip joint (3,4). The difference is that sitting back requires this forward lean to maintain stability. If instead the knees are allowed to remain at or even beyond the toes, a greater range of trunk positions is possible. Forward lean can be allowed if hip ROM and back strength permit. Alternatively, a more erect position can be maintained while still keeping weight over the feet. Shifting weight forward has the added benefit of increasing torque at the ankle joint, providing greater training stimulus to the plantar flexors (3).

A more anterior knee position usually implies greater ankle dorsiflexion and knee flexion, which are often said to pose a risk to the knee. Evidence to date however suggests that thigh-parallel squats are safe for healthy athletes, although deeper squatting might pose additional risk to the knee menisci or ligaments (principally the posterior cruciate ligament) (2). In the presence of a knee injury, reduced barbell loads and/or limited squat depth to control knee flexion are better options than a strategy that could pose undue risk to the spine.

It should be noted that many athletes have restrictions in dorsiflexion ROM that compel them to sit back, causing similar concerns. Corrective measures could include mobility/flexibility training, limitation of squat depth, changes in barbell load, and/or use of shims under the heels. In general, differences among individual athletes, for example, limb length, may require different positioning. Knees behind the toes is likely not an appropriate strategy for everyone.

Finally, rejecting a sit back approach should not be interpreted as endorsing a kneel forward one. Excessive anterior movement of the knees may shift weight too far forward onto the toes, again producing instability. Correct squatting technique should emphasize (a) a stable platform with weight evenly supported underfoot, (b) a neutral spine, and (c) knee, hip, and ankle ROM within safe/tolerated ranges. Variations in joint loading may be accomplished by changing trunk position, barbell load, and/or squat depth-as acceptable within these criteria-depending upon an individual athlete's strengths, weaknesses, and training goals.

Shawn C. Sorenson, MS, CSCS
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA.

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RejectedMilVet
12-24-2009, 12:00 PM
Speaking as someone who's been out of the game for 6 years but was once competitive, Smith squats are saving my ass right now(literally). Weights that are out of reach with the squat are easily repped out on the Smith. I'm not saying that I'll stay there, but if it were not for it at the moment I'd feel like a total chicken legged weakling.

DBowden
12-26-2009, 08:54 PM
leg extension or leg curl machines generater much greater shear forces anteriorly or posteriorly. e.g., those with acl sprains should avoid leg extensions.

Good point.