Precontest cycles....

[JVALDEZ]

Looking to find out what the most cost effective 16 week precontest cycle would be? and the best(no limit on budget) 16 week precontest?

[esplendido]

Test cyp (250mg/eod) and tren ace (75mg/eod) first 8 weeks. Switch to test prop (200mg/eod) last 8 weeks. Add Halotestin (40mg/day) last 6 weeks. Add Masteron (100mg/day) last 2 weeks. Drop prop 4 days before show.

No price too high: GH at 4IU/day through cycle

Both cycles: Clenbuterol and Cytomel (T3) throughout (ramp dosages to 120mcg/day clen and 80mcg/day T3). Arimidex at 1/2mg/day throughout.

Dyazide (diuretic) the last 24 hours, 1/2 cap every 4 hours.

[Reloaded]

ok esplendido, now, for people who arnt millionares......

[mindfcuk]

Test cyp (250mg/eod) and tren ace (75mg/eod) first 8 weeks. Switch to test prop (200mg/eod) last 8 weeks. Add Halotestin (40mg/day) last 6 weeks. Add Masteron (100mg/day) last 2 weeks. Drop prop 4 days before show.

No price too high: GH at 4IU/day through cycle

Both cycles: Clenbuterol and Cytomel (T3) throughout (ramp dosages to 120mcg/day clen and 80mcg/day T3). Arimidex at 1/2mg/day throughout.

Dyazide (diuretic) the last 24 hours, 1/2 cap every 4 hours.

This is a pro precontest cycle, and the most effective, only thing I would knock out is the halo, and use Anavar for 100mgs ed for the last 8 weeks. other than that thats the stack that will have looking like the clear winner!!!

[iusealittle]

This is a pro precontest cycle, and the most effective, only thing I would knock out is the halo, and use Anavar for 100mgs ed for the last 8 weeks. other than that thats the stack that will have looking like the clear winner!!!


NO WAY! if your tryin to get hard halo is the way to go not var.

hard stack.....test/tren/mast/halo

my.02

[esplendido]

My avi is evidence of the success of this cycle.

[JVALDEZ]

my avi is evidence of the success of this cycle.

nice,is that w/gh or w/o?

[esplendido]

4iu/day

[Reloaded]

ok esplendido, now, for people who arnt millionares......
.....

[Bob Smith Jr.]

my opinion, save the tren ace for the last 8 weeks, not the first 8 (assume your dieting 16 weeks). Its not really necessary to switch to prop, you can continue to run a long ester throughout as long as your running adex. Halo, I wouldnt run for 6 weeks, more like the last 3 or so. I would run winny the last 8 weeks and drop the masteron. Looks good though and your pic is evidence of its effectiveness!


Test cyp (250mg/eod) and tren ace (75mg/eod) first 8 weeks. Switch to test prop (200mg/eod) last 8 weeks. Add Halotestin (40mg/day) last 6 weeks. Add Masteron (100mg/day) last 2 weeks. Drop prop 4 days before show.

No price too high: GH at 4IU/day through cycle

Both cycles: Clenbuterol and Cytomel (T3) throughout (ramp dosages to 120mcg/day clen and 80mcg/day T3). Arimidex at 1/2mg/day throughout.

Dyazide (diuretic) the last 24 hours, 1/2 cap every 4 hours.

[esplendido]

Masteron is superior to Winny for hardening. Since Halo is the only oral, 6 weeks at 40mg is plenty safe. The prop is for higher available test, so in some respects, you're increasing the test the last 8 weeks. The tren is run all 16 weeks, not the first 8.

An alternate cycle would be the same test as above, same tren, but no Halo and Masteron. Instead, run winny depot at 100mg/EOD from weeks 9-14, then 100mg/ed weeks 15 and 16. Run anavar at 50mg/day starting week 10 and increase to 100mg/day last 2 weeks.

[indianamonster1986]

Looking to find out what the most cost effective 16 week precontest cycle would be? and the best(no limit on budget) 16 week precontest?


I got a bunch of orals for super super cheap this pre-contest and they are working awesome.

Started them at 8 weeks out because I wanted to wait till I got my scholarship money.

[indianamonster1986]

masteron is superior to winny for hardening. Since halo is the only oral, 6 weeks at 40mg is plenty safe. The prop is for higher available test, so in some respects, you're increasing the test the last 8 weeks. The tren is run all 16 weeks, not the first 8.

an alternate cycle would be the same test as above, same tren, but no halo and masteron. Instead, run winny depot at 100mg/eod from weeks 9-14, then 100mg/ed weeks 15 and 16. Run anavar at 50mg/day starting week 10 and increase to 100mg/day last 2 weeks.


truth!!!!

[BigJD69]

There ya go, he is def. RIPPED in the avatar pic. Did you run the 4iu til the end? GH bloats me up. Wouldn't it be safer for him to lower the HGH as he gets closer to the show???

[esplendido]

There ya go, he is def. RIPPED in the avatar pic. Did you run the 4iu til the end? GH bloats me up. Wouldn't it be safer for him to lower the HGH as he gets closer to the show???

Nope. 4IU all the way through. If your diet is spot-on, bloating won't be an issue.

[BigJD69]

That avatar pic was getting ready for a show? How much did you weigh?

[esplendido]

That avatar pic was getting ready for a show? How much did you weigh?

It was 1 hour after the finals last July. I weighed 235. I weighed 245 the day after and still as hard. That is something I'll change for next show....amount of carbs during carb-up.

[maxititer]

recently becoming popular metribolone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metribolone) is some cheaper alternative to halo, and can be used in much slammer amounts.

[Ymir]

I would run long esters until about 6 weeks out and shift to short esters/orals there to reduce pinning, and building scartissue risking infection.

weeks 1-11 TestE/C 600-1200mg, Tren E 200-400mg
12-14 TestProp + TrenA + Winstrol(cheapmans anavar) start Adex/letro here to start reducing estrogen, 2.5mg ED
15-16 Winstrol, up and through competition, adex/letro

some say to run test up to the comp or even through it it's a judgement call depending on how you react etc, I also dont run AI all cycle if I dont feel gyno, IMO the water you hold will help retain muscle mass so I start it about 5-6 weeks out of comp.

Tren E gives good effect for me already at 200mg EW, so for me it's a cheap deal since the effect is so strong, this ofc is invidual.

[Valihora]

Im curently 7 wo from my bb contest, following this cycle:

T prop - 500 mg/week
Tren acetate - 100mg EOD
Stanozolol injectable - 100mg EOD

What are your taughts?

iusealittle (who I respect for being helpfull to me) suggested me to add halo to this for last couple of weeks.

Q1: What is your oppinion on adding Halo?
Q2: what should I drop and when to avoid water retention?
Q3: should I use diuretics before the show? aint it too risky in terms of hitting the spot?

Thanx to all

[chris250]

Has anyone ever run IGF during precontest...Alot of people say they burn alot of fat on it...??? thoughts ??

[militantmuscle]

Im curently 7 wo from my bb contest, following this cycle:

T prop - 500 mg/week
Tren acetate - 100mg EOD
Stanozolol injectable - 100mg EOD

What are your taughts?

iusealittle (who I respect for being helpfull to me) suggested me to add halo to this for last couple of weeks.

Q1: What is your oppinion on adding Halo? What level show? I'd use masteron or anavar.
Q2: what should I drop and when to avoid water retention? The test prop a week out just to be safe.
Q3: should I use diuretics before the show? aint it too risky in terms of hitting the spot? This will be your call, for us to give you an opinion would require knowing what you look like (in other words we need to see you).

Thanx to all

My thoughts

[Everex238]

recently becoming popular metribolone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metribolone) is some cheaper alternative to halo, and can be used in much slammer amounts.

wish more places sold it. i never see it any where

[Brock]

16 week prep on a budget...

Week 16-1 500mg Prop ew
Week 4-1 350mg Tren A ew

Letro at the end to dry out.

Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off







Money no object...

Week 16-9 500mg Test E ew
Week 16-9 400mg Deca ew
Week 8-1 500mg Prop ew
Week 8-1 350mg Tren A ew
Week 6-1 350mg Masteron ew
Week 4-1 30mg Halo ed

Letro throughout ending at a high enough dose to be dry as a bone

Clen/T3 the whole run with ketophin

Dieretic of choice

[JVALDEZ]

16 week prep on a budget...

Week 16-1 500mg Prop ew
Week 4-1 350mg Tren A ew

Letro at the end to dry out.

Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off







Money no object...

Week 16-9 500mg Test E ew
Week 16-9 400mg Deca ew
Week 8-1 500mg Prop ew
Week 8-1 350mg Tren A ew
Week 6-1 350mg Masteron ew
Week 4-1 30mg Halo ed

Letro throughout ending at a high enough dose to be dry as a bone

Clen/T3 the whole run with ketophin

Dieretic of choice


I like that cycle! but whats letro?

[Brock]

I like that cycle! but whats letro?

Heard of Google?

Not trying to give you shit, just cant bring it up at work. Shit dries you out like a mofo.

[Bigboi]

With a sound diet, training and cardio, I think anyone can get away with using
Test prop
winny
Tren
T3
clen

[iusealittle]

With a sound diet, training and cardio, I think anyone can get away with using
Test prop
winny
Tren
T3
clen


dump the winni for mastron.

use.

[JVALDEZ]

Heard of Google?

Not trying to give you shit, just cant bring it up at work. Shit dries you out like a mofo.

I feel ya bro, i got it,just had to get the whole word,thanks!

[Valihora]

What maximum lenght do you guys recomend to take T3? I read about 6 weeks...

[militantmuscle]

Ten weeks

[skinny]

test e or c 1200mg 12week-5weeks
Eq 800mg 12week-5weeks
Turinabol 60mg daily 12week-8week
Masteron 1000mg 8 week-showtime
Prop 100mg ed 5 week-10 days
anavar 60mg 8 weeks-showtime
tren 100mg eod 5 weeks-showtime

[BoneBz]

test e or c 1200mg 12week-5weeks
Eq 800mg 12week-5weeks
Turinabol 60mg daily 12week-8week
Masteron 1000mg 8 week-showtime
Prop 100mg ed 5 week-10 days
anavar 60mg 8 weeks-showtime
tren 100mg eod 5 weeks-showtime

Just curious, what is your reason for the T-bol?

[ironstudent]

test e or c 1200mg 12week-5weeks
Eq 800mg 12week-5weeks
Turinabol 60mg daily 12week-8week
Masteron 1000mg 8 week-showtime
Prop 100mg ed 5 week-10 days
anavar 60mg 8 weeks-showtime
tren 100mg eod 5 weeks-showtime


You use a shitload of gear.

[iusealittle]

You use a shitload of gear.


you said it!.......that a lot of pinnin ED!

use.

[skinny]

Just curious, what is your reason for the T-bol?
i have always had great gains with tbol. I stop gaining any muscle at about 5-8 weeks out. that usually when my focus is the last bit of bodyfat. I dont get fat in the offseason so i can run these drugs closer to the show.

[skinny]

You use a shitload of gear.
not really

[skinny]

you said it!.......that a lot of pinnin ED!

use.
im pretty fucking lazy i just load up eod usually

[ironstudent]

not really

1200 mg of Test C while cutting? You've got to be huge?

[iusealittle]

test e or c 1200mg 12week-5weeks
Eq 800mg 12week-5weeks
Turinabol 60mg daily 12week-8week
Masteron 1000mg 8 week-showtime
Prop 100mg ed 5 week-10 days
anavar 60mg 8 weeks-showtime
tren 100mg eod 5 weeks-showtime


thats what you use? how much you wiegh?

[militantmuscle]

Skinny, how did you derive these dosages (mentioned above, if they are accurate) as the optimal level that do not bring about diminishing returns?

[ironstudent]

thats what you use? how much you wiegh?

Im not sure I would put my body through all of that if I wasn't anywhere near National caliber.

[RazorRipped]

Im not sure I would put my body through all of that if I wasn't anywhere near National caliber.


It's not so much that. The cycle is complete over kill. Not well thought out. Some drugs are too high dose. Other drugs aren't being ran long enough.


test e or c 1200mg 12week-5weeksFar more than needed
Eq 800mg 12week-5weeks7 weeks of EQ won't do shit
Turinabol 60mg daily 12week-8weekUseless drug for men IMO
Masteron 1000mg 8 week-showtimeWay too much. 300-400 mgs is all that's needed
Prop 100mg ed 5 week-10 daysYou drop the test 10 days out? That's isn't a good idea at all!
anavar 60mg 8 weeks-showtimeHave no idea what that will do
tren 100mg eod 5 weeks-showtimeTad short. That should be started like 8 weeks out


Bottom line is, if that disaster works for you, then who the fuck are we to say it's wrong?:)

[NPCKnight]

That cycle does look ridiculously thought out.

[47ronin]

test e or c 1200mg 12week-5weeks
Eq 800mg 12week-5weeks
Turinabol 60mg daily 12week-8week
Masteron 1000mg 8 week-showtime
Prop 100mg ed 5 week-10 days
anavar 60mg 8 weeks-showtime
tren 100mg eod 5 weeks-showtime

That's like doing three cycles at one time. I'd hate to see what the regimen would be for the offseason.

[skinny]

It's not so much that. The cycle is complete over kill. Not well thought out. Some drugs are too high dose. Other drugs aren't being ran long enough.


test e or c 1200mg 12week-5weeksFar more than needed
Eq 800mg 12week-5weeks7 weeks of EQ won't do shit
Turinabol 60mg daily 12week-8weekUseless drug for men IMO
Masteron 1000mg 8 week-showtimeWay too much. 300-400 mgs is all that's needed
Prop 100mg ed 5 week-10 daysYou drop the test 10 days out? That's isn't a good idea at all!
anavar 60mg 8 weeks-showtimeHave no idea what that will do
tren 100mg eod 5 weeks-showtimeTad short. That should be started like 8 weeks out


Bottom line is, if that disaster works for you, then who the fuck are we to say it's wrong?:)
Ive played around with pre comp cycles and this seems to be the key for me... btw i only state from 12 weeks out. I do run eq for a large part of the year.

[skinny]

That's like doing three cycles at one time. I'd hate to see what the regimen would be for the offseason.
usually only stick to 2 or 3 compounds and bridge most of the offseaon
Ie 750mg test blend 12 weeks
50-100mg anadrol 5-8weeks
400mg Npp 8 weeks
Unless i have a bunch of other shit kicking around this is pretty typical.

[skinny]

thats what you use? how much you wiegh?
currently sitting around 210lbs. im a light heavy come contest time.

[Bob Smith Jr.]

look pretty good in ur avi...keep doing what ur doing i say.

[skinny]

i dont have any recent pics. i was competing as a junior, i was only 19 at that point

[Valihora]

Ten weeks

Thanx bro!

[hilly]

It's not so much that. The cycle is complete over kill. Not well thought out. Some drugs are too high dose. Other drugs aren't being ran long enough.


test e or c 1200mg 12week-5weeksFar more than needed
Eq 800mg 12week-5weeks7 weeks of EQ won't do shit
Turinabol 60mg daily 12week-8weekUseless drug for men IMO
Masteron 1000mg 8 week-showtimeWay too much. 300-400 mgs is all that's needed
Prop 100mg ed 5 week-10 daysYou drop the test 10 days out? That's isn't a good idea at all!
anavar 60mg 8 weeks-showtimeHave no idea what that will do
tren 100mg eod 5 weeks-showtimeTad short. That should be started like 8 weeks out


Bottom line is, if that disaster works for you, then who the fuck are we to say it's wrong?:)


exactly if it works it works different strokes for different folks

[iusealittle]

currently sitting around 210lbs. im a light heavy come contest time.


well lets see some new pics....updated version of you. feel free to block out the face if you like.

[skinny]

here it is.

[-BLP-]

12 weeks prop - primo - hgh - nolva -adex - clen , last 4 weeks tren- masteron - halo- hgh- nolva - letro- clen , it work wonder and is what, i will do again , start from tomorow , 13 weeks to go /... last 3 days test suspension / lasix - thiazide night before no water at all on fat load it brutal , but tight wrapped paper skin

[bigmikecox]

Im not sure I would put my body through all of that if I wasn't anywhere near National caliber.


Exactly. Not worth spending all that for a local show, IMO.

[-BLP-]

the reality even level 1 - 2 you got contenders who spend fortune on prep

[skinny]

no kidding. you dont win shows with test winni tren.

[ironstudent]

no kidding. you dont win shows with test winni tren.

U must not have very good genetics

[-BLP-]

so skiiny what do you think of my contest prep use ?

[skinny]

U must not have very good genetics
no i dont. but at least i still place first.

[skinny]

so skiiny what do you think of my contest prep use ?
pretty good. Last year you came in dry and peeled to the bone.

[JVALDEZ]

What maximum lenght do you guys recomend to take T3? I read about 6 weeks...

I'd go with 6 weeks to be safe.

[hilly]

^^^ i no guys who have ran t3 for several months, had their thyroids tested 6 weeks after use and they were back to normal. I believe the 6 week rule is a myth mate.

[apex23]

It is a Myth..I have ran T-3 for several months and a couple weeks later it is back to normal.

[RazorRipped]

I've ran 50 mcg for almost a year straight. My thyroid was functioning normal in 2 weeks after use. But that's me, and my blood panel.

[Anthony]

for a 16 week prep and conservative t3 use - do you do 2 runs - e.g. 6 on, 4 off, 6 on or just the last 6 weeks?

[RazorRipped]

for a 16 week prep and conservative t3 use - do you do 2 runs - e.g. 6 on, 4 off, 6 on or just the last 6 weeks?

The point several of us were trying to make is you can run T3 for extended periods without any adverse effects (with most people).

If you plan on a 16 week prep, start your T3 low dose,and gradually ramp it up as you see fit. Most likely you won't, or shouldn't exceed 100 mcgs by preps end. That isn't an outrageous dose by any means.

[-BLP-]

did someone ever did use test suspension the last 4 weeks before hit contest stage ? i wonder , a good thing or no ?

[RazorRipped]

did someone ever did use test suspension the last 4 weeks before hit contest stage ? i wonder , a good thing or no ?


Most shy away from it late in prep due to water retention associated with suspension.
You also need to take into account injection soreness, swelling most get with suspension. Something you don't really want to deal with late in prep when cardio is high, calories low.That can make you crankier than you already are:)

It's good to run along side prop earlier on in prep.

[Bob Smith Jr.]

if ur pinning all the way up to say the friday before the show, how do u guys keep the swelling down so its not noticeable on stage. Of course, a successful injection would help but are there any tricks out there to keep the bump down?

[iusealittle]

^^^^^ ass shots.

[RazorRipped]

^^^ To the inner side of your posing trunks.

[iusealittle]

^^^ To the inner side of your posing trunks.


yes!:beerbang:

[Bob Smith Jr.]

thanks guys!

[Anthony]

After tren, what is the 'next best' choice to stack with test precontest?

[ironrayne]

(http://forums.rxmuscle.com/member.php?u=800)Esplendido first cycle post is almost my exact pre contest.

100mg Test Prop ED
75mg Mast ED
75mg TrenA ED

Drop Test down to 25mg ED 5 days before the show

Clen is at 100mcg ED
T3, 50mcg/ 2xD

Im going to have to try the halostatin next show.

[ironrayne]

I've run T3 for extended periods [6+ months] of time and never had a problem recovering from it. I keep my dose around 50mcg when off or bulking, and move up to 75mcg, then 100mcg as show time approches.

Aside from tren, Masteron has been my choice for a hardening agent and getting the nice grainy look.

[ironrayne]

As for keeping inflammation down, make sure you get deep enough into the muscle and use a smaller gauge pin to minimize the response, a 1.5inch 25g pin usually does the trick.

Another not so fun way of minimizing the inflammation is at some point in your chemically enhanced life, try a high concentration solution, such as test/tren where you get 400+ mg of gear/ml. Ran that for 12 weeks, I don't get inflammation off ANYTHING anymore, not even 3cc shots!

[iusealittle]

Esplendido first cycle post is almost my exact pre contest.

100mg Test Prop ED
75mg Mast ED
75mg TrenA ED

Drop Test down to 25mg ED 5 days before the show

Clen is at 100mcg ED
T3, 50mcg/ 2xD

Im going to have to try the halostatin next show.


why would you nee to do that? its prop. not CorE. get everything else together and there is no need for this......

[iusealittle]

As for keeping inflammation down, make sure you get deep enough into the muscle and use a smaller gauge pin to minimize the response, a 1.5inch 25g pin usually does the trick.

Another not so fun way of minimizing the inflammation is at some point in your chemically enhanced life, try a high concentration solution, such as test/tren where you get 400+ mg of gear/ml. Ran that for 12 weeks, I don't get inflammation off ANYTHING anymore, not even 3cc shots!

12wks of tren/test and thats what you look like.....:rolleyes:

[ironstudent]

12wks of tren/test and thats what you look like.....:rolleyes:

Damn bro took the words right out of my mouth

[ironrayne]

Lol. that photo is me, OFF everything.. for like 6 months lol.

And I drop my test down becuase I hold water pretty easy. 25mg a day gets rid of the water, but keeps my dick working.

[Brock]

Lol. that photo is me, OFF everything.. for like 6 months lol.

And I drop my test down becuase I hold water pretty easy. 25mg a day gets rid of the water, but keeps my dick working.

Dont take their stupid shit. I bet you look better than both of them.

I enjoy the info I get from your posts bro.

[ironstudent]

Dont take their stupid shit. I bet you look better than both of them.
I enjoy the info I get from your posts bro.


I wouldn't put my money on it. Plus I said that becuase Test and Tren provide Amazing results, and is a pretty hardore stack depending on the dosage.

[Bob Smith Jr.]

dude looks pretty good, hes not huge, but is pretty vascular and definitely not small lol give the guy a break jeeez.

[ironstudent]

dude looks pretty good, hes not huge, but is pretty vascular and definitely not small lol give the guy a break jeeez.

I agree, I give him his credit. Just sayin, Test and tren is a Powerful combo, why use so much, when you could build that very same physique on test alone.

[Bob Smith Jr.]

ok, i went back and looked at his dosages, ya that tren is a little high, not really necessary imo, but w/e.

[Brock]

I agree, I give him his credit. Just sayin, Test and tren is a Powerful combo, why use so much, when you could build that very same physique on test alone.

You should not talk about shit you have never done. Tren does not turn you into an IFBB pro in 2 cycles.

My problem is you and iuse attacking this guy (who looks pretty damn good) and you in particular for not having any backround with that combo.

[Brock]

I wouldn't put my money on it. Plus I said that becuase Test and Tren provide Amazing results, and is a pretty hardore stack depending on the dosage.

I'd be happy to put money on it. You (I have seen your full pics on the other forum) vs. the guy you talked down to. Post up all the mandatories and let the forum judge...

[ironstudent]

I'd be happy to put money on it. You (I have seen your full pics on the other forum) vs. the guy you talked down to. Post up all the mandatories and let the forum judge...


I never started a direct " I am better than you" Post. Im just sayin, that 525 mg/ week of Tren is a lot for someone that size.

[ironstudent]

Id never knowingly post pictures for you to schmoe off too

[iusealittle]

Lol. that photo is me, OFF everything.. for like 6 months lol.

And I drop my test down becuase I hold water pretty easy. 25mg a day gets rid of the water, but keeps my dick working.

well........ my photo is of me off for 3 years......:wavey:

i dont spend much time on so its easy for me to stay the same weight and not drop much weight......

[RazorRipped]

No need for the pissing matches guys. It's a fucking thread about contest cycles for christ sakes. Does anyone really give a flying fuck what anyone else does? I certainly know I don't!

Let's get back on topic.

THNX!

[ironrayne]

lol. Didn't get your panties in a twist ladies! 525mg of tren is a lot for most people, but I've ran it only during diets. Im sure I grow a bit off of it bit I use it mostly for maintaining muscle. The cycle I ran 12 weeks of test tren I dropped about 40lbs of fat and put on 15 pounds lean mass. I've only dieted down for two shows on gear and they were only a month appart so I am still welcome to your suggestions to making my cycles better. I'll be sure to post all my mandatories when I start my next round [t-33 days].

We're all here becuase we love gear, so spread the love and stop the haten!

iron

[RazorRipped]

The cycle I ran 12 weeks of test tren I dropped about 40lbs of fat and put on 15 pounds lean mass.

iron

:rolleyes:

Oh my......this thread could go south rather quickly..lol..

[red barraca]

:rolleyes:

Oh my......this thread could go south rather quickly..lol..

ya its easy to talk about drugs,for that matter its easy shoot it to,i'd rather want to hear about diet and cardio for pre-contest.

[Hendog]

ya its easy to talk about drugs,for that matter its easy shoot it to,i'd rather want to hear about diet and cardio for pre-contest.

Then why are you in the Chem section?

[red barraca]

Then why are you in the Chem section?

if these guys are going to play i 1 up you on drug usage,then mys well talk about the more important thing about pre-contest,diet of cardio hard work.

[captaincardio58]

drugs are not an easy way out bro, even louie simmons said this in bigger stronger faster athlete on anabolics train with HIGHER intensity then the one who dont, so wouldnt the guy on the anabolics be working harder then the au natural?? Not trying to pick here...but you are in the chem enhancement section

[Biggie908]

when do u start pct? after the show?

[tmj41]

Masteron is superior to Winny for hardening. Since Halo is the only oral, 6 weeks at 40mg is plenty safe. The prop is for higher available test, so in some respects, you're increasing the test the last 8 weeks. The tren is run all 16 weeks, not the first 8.

An alternate cycle would be the same test as above, same tren, but no Halo and Masteron. Instead, run winny depot at 100mg/EOD from weeks 9-14, then 100mg/ed weeks 15 and 16. Run anavar at 50mg/day starting week 10 and increase to 100mg/day last 2 weeks.

I prefer TnE ed the last 3 weeks.. TnE/win combo 150mg ed tne, 50mgwin

[sykopanda]

My contest is in November. Here is my cycle weeks 18-12 tra 500mg week prop 600mg week TnE/dbol combo 400mg/100mg weekly andadrol 100mg prewrkout enanthate 750weekly clen 80mcg a day, slin 20iu daily, alt 4 weeks on 4 off
Week 12 to show, 300mg npp till week 4, then tren 100mg ed, test e 750 until week 4, eq 600mg week, prop 600mg week, TnE Combo same, anadrol same
After week 4, tne ed prop ed till last week, tren till last week, then last week.40mg.halo ed masterone 100ed TnE 150ed

[RichDC2]

kitchen sink FTW!

[sykopanda]

Oh I m running TnE till show.. plus all my ancillaries..