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Mass Construction
03-04-2009, 06:25 PM
M-drol as a kick start 10-20-20mg for 3 first weeks (is it a good idea?! or just dorp it..)

- week 1-10 = 250 mg testo-e

- week 1-5 = 400 mg deca

- week 6-9 = 200 mg deca

from week 3 : 10-20mg nolvadex/day if gyno,
in case no gyno, 10mg/day, 1 day On then 1 day OFF for water retention


PCT: 10 days after last injection: 2500HCG
5 days later 2500 HCG+100mg clomid+40mg nolvadex for 1 week

- 50 mg clomid+30mg nolvadex for another week
- 50 mg clomid+20mg nolvadex for the last week

any advice guys:confused:
thx;):D

chucksm00th
03-04-2009, 06:36 PM
M-drol as a kick start 10-20-20mg for 3 first weeks (is it a good idea?! or just dorp it..)

- week 1-10 = 250 mg testo-e

- week 1-5 = 400 mg deca

- week 6-9 = 200 mg deca

from week 3 : 10-20mg nolvadex/day if gyno,
in case no gyno, 10mg/day, 1 day On then 1 day OFF for water retention


PCT: 10 days after last injection: 2500HCG
5 days later 2500 HCG+100mg clomid+40mg nolvadex for 1 week

- 50 mg clomid+30mg nolvadex for another week
- 50 mg clomid+20mg nolvadex for the last week

any advice guys:confused:
thx;):D



Always double the amount of test in relation to Deca, otherwise you'll embarass yourself in the bedroom when your weiner malfunctions from its sides. Run Arimidex in place of Novladex .5mg EOD after day 3 of cycle

Run dont taper your dose until your done w/ your cycle, reduce by half the total dose for 1 wk and then start PCT 10-14days after last inj.

Your much better off using Arimidex in place of the Novladex...

For PCT try 2000iu HCG every 3rd day for a total of 5 shots (assuming you start 10days after cycle ends)

During this time run .5mg arimidex ED ***this is run entire duration of PCT****

After you finish your last shot of HCG run 100mg Clomid ED for 3wks.

That is Daves PCT protocol, it works great!

Good Luck:D

NPCKnight
03-04-2009, 06:53 PM
Doubling the amount of test over deca is pure preference and isnt always needed. Its an old 'method' that was broscience passed around the old boards. Doubling deca is not the KEY to keeping your dick up. Running testosterone at least the same is widely practiced, although some will just run maintenance test (i.e. 250mg) and run 2-3x that in deca. it all depends.
Doubling the amount of test over deca is NOT a rule of thumb...its just chucksmooths opinion.

heavyiron
03-04-2009, 07:09 PM
more test.............. a lot more =)

iusealittle
03-04-2009, 07:34 PM
M-drol as a kick start 10-20-20mg for 3 first weeks (is it a good idea?! or just dorp it..) (drop it)

- week 1-10 = 250 mg testo-e (needs to be 400mg min. to work)

- week 1-5 = 400 mg deca (why the drop in dose?)

- week 6-9 = 200 mg deca

from week 3 : 10-20mg nolvadex/day if gyno,
in case no gyno, 10mg/day, 1 day On then 1 day OFF for water retention


PCT: 10 days after last injection: 2500HCG
5 days later 2500 HCG+100mg clomid+40mg nolvadex for 1 week

- 50 mg clomid+30mg nolvadex for another week
- 50 mg clomid+20mg nolvadex for the last week

any advice guys:confused:
thx;):D



how many cycle have you done if your tryin to use this as a mass cycle?

use.

indianamonster1986
03-04-2009, 07:47 PM
I never had trouble when I use the same amount of deca as test.

indianamonster1986
03-04-2009, 07:48 PM
Hell, my dumbass's first cycle was deca and i had zero problems.

esplendido
03-04-2009, 07:56 PM
You said "Mass" cycle. You'll grow on the one listed, especially if it's your first cycle. But if you've done a few, that's pretty weak for a mass cycle. If you're only going to run 10 weeks, bump the test x3, deca by 200mg/wk and add an oral, like anadrol at 50mg/day minimum at week 4.

Mass Construction
03-04-2009, 08:07 PM
how many cycle have you done if your tryin to use this as a mass cycle?

use.
its my first cycle;) thats why its lil bit light

thx guys:)

Swiper
03-04-2009, 08:13 PM
its my first cycle;) thats why its lil bit light

thx guys:)

test e or c. 500 mgs ew for 12 weeks.

Jacquester
03-04-2009, 10:00 PM
M-drol as a kick start 10-20-20mg for 3 first weeks (is it a good idea?! or just dorp it..) (Drop)

- week 1-10 = 250 mg testo-e (500)
- week 1-5 = 400 mg deca
- week 6-9 = 200 mg deca(400 the whole time)


from week 3 : 10-20mg nolvadex/day if gyno,
in case no gyno, 10mg/day, 1 day On then 1 day OFF for water retention
(adex eod would be better and unless your bp is really high the water retention is good for you)
PCT: 10 days after last injection: 2500HCG
5 days later 2500 HCG+100mg clomid+40mg nolvadex for 1 week

- 50 mg clomid+30mg nolvadex for another week
- 50 mg clomid+20mg nolvadex for the last week

any advice guys:confused:
thx;):D



Don't bother with the taper.

Mass Construction
03-04-2009, 10:29 PM
thx, i will make a journal when i start !!!!!!!

shredded08
03-04-2009, 10:38 PM
test e or c. 500 mgs ew for 12 weeks.

agreed

iusealittle
03-05-2009, 12:40 AM
test e or c. 500 mgs ew for 12 weeks.


:eek:swiper..... you droped it to 500:Dnice. but first cycles of test only at 4-500max.

iv done 6 cycles and am on 375(test only) doin lots of cardio and im growing. BW up 2 lbs but im much leaner. so you dont need alot to grow, if you do it right.

use.

Swiper
03-05-2009, 10:05 AM
:eek:swiper..... you droped it to 500:Dnice. but first cycles of test only at 4-500max.

iv done 6 cycles and am on 375(test only) doin lots of cardio and im growing. BW up 2 lbs but im much leaner. so you dont need alot to grow, if you do it right.

use.

ha ha yeah it's easier when using amps. It would be a pain in the ass using amps to get 600mgs there would be left over test. that needs to be stored. just makes it easier to do 500mgs or 2 amps ew.

Mass Construction
03-05-2009, 12:28 PM
can i add some clenbuterol after last injection of test-e,


-4 days / 7 days,
-60 Mcg / day et go up slowly to 120Mcg / day max for 3 weeks

heavyiron
03-05-2009, 03:22 PM
ha ha yeah it's easier when using amps. It would be a pain in the ass using amps to get 600mgs there would be left over test. that needs to be stored. just makes it easier to do 500mgs or 2 amps ew.
multidose vials=600 week:D

Mass Construction
03-06-2009, 03:12 PM
Up !!!!!!!



- week 1-10 = 250 mg or 500 testo-e

- week 1-9 = 200 or 300 mg deca

from week 3 : 10-20mg nolvadex/day if gyno,
in case no gyno, 10mg/day, 1 day on then 1 day off for water retention


pct : 10 days after last injection: 2500hcg

5 days later 2500 hcg+100mg clomid+40mg nolvadex for 1 week+ thinking here to add some clenbuterol for 4 weeks 7 days on-7 days off going slowly from 60 mcg to 120 mcg max:confused:

- 50 mg clomid+30mg nolvadex for another week
- 50 mg clomid+20mg nolvadex for the last week

iusealittle
03-07-2009, 03:45 AM
ha ha yeah it's easier when using amps. It would be a pain in the ass using amps to get 600mgs there would be left over test. that needs to be stored. just makes it easier to do 500mgs or 2 amps ew.
:D just pokin fun.... no hard fealings.

use.

iusealittle
03-07-2009, 03:48 AM
can i add some clenbuterol after last injection of test-e,


-4 days / 7 days,
-60 Mcg / day et go up slowly to 120Mcg / day max for 3 weeks


if you only wanna use when your on PCT the you can use all the way through it. or you can run it while on also that will work to.if you run it on cycle 2wks on/2wks off...... repeat

use.