Shawn Ray lists a few...of the people who died WAY to early in bb etc.

[PSARG]

// Im picking up on one of the most important ( IMO ) threads starts I have ever sean in bb. I thread start from 2008 by Shawn Ray.

Even though Im fully aware of this picture it hits me everytime I come across it. Its a veritable FLOOD of heart attacks and other endings of life in MUCH to young people in our sport/strongman/powerlifting etc that shows its distorted face to the reader. As Shawn points out, his list is FAR from complete, and could be lengtened several times over easily, and how things will look 20 years from now,,,,is a horrifying thought...

( Ill add that I could make a similar list from my country, and it would not look any better, +I wont make such a list for various reasons )

At least be careful out there iron brothers and sisters. Remember to look out for yourselves. Because nobody else will..:byeb://


June 12th, 2008, 11:59 PM MD Shawn Ray;

" In the present climate regarding the recent passing of Amanda, I got to thinking about all the people I know or knew in the business of Bodybuilding and Fitness that are no longer with us and left us way too soon!
Debbi Dobbins (Galaxy Competitor): Smoke Inhalation / Suspicious Fire
Esi Rainwater (Ms. Cal): Suicide Gun
Ray McNeil (IFBB Pro): Murdered!
Kay Baxter (IFBB Pro): Car Crash
Momo Benezziza (IFBB Pro): Duiretic Overdose
Kristie Ramsey (NPC Fitness): Murdered!
Melissa James (IFBB Pro Assistant): Murdered!
Don Youngblood (IFBB Pro): Heart Attack
Curtis Leftler (NPC Competitor): Heart Attack
Paul DeMayo (IFBB Pro): Heroin Overdose
Claudia Bianchi (IFBB Pro): ( Heart attack at 36)
Fanny Barrios (IFBB Pro): ??
Bill Reynolds (Flex Editor): Drugs
Amanda Savell (IFBB Pro): Murdered!

This list sucks, as I thought all them had so much more to offer and live for.
I'm sure this list is twice or three times as long when you factor in others like The Mentzer Bros, and so on but it makes me nauseus to think of how some of these people died.
Sad that all of them could not have died of Old Age and peaceful.

Rest in Peace.
S Ray "

June 14 th 2008 Same thread Shawn Ray ;

" When you really begin to think about it, it really becomes depressing. At my age I shouldn't know this many Young People cut down in the prime of their lives.
I could add a name daily to the people I once knew or came in close contact with in our sport that "Poof" are no longer with us?
Linda Sobeck (Raider Cheerleder/ Fit Model): Murdered
Jeep Swenson (Bodyguard/ Actor) Heart Attack
Ron Tuefel (NPC Bodybuilder) ??
And yea, Don Ross, Eric Otero (IFBB Pro Dead at 36), Andreas Munzer and Trevor Smith, I knew them all and now their history!
Sad to say the least, just think how long this list will be 20 years from now!
__________________
Strength & Honor! "

// OTHER NAMES FROM THE THREAD;

Greg Deferro ( Bb ) Heart Attack
Eduardo Kawak (Bb ) Heart Attack
Lyle Alzado
Sonny Schmidt (IFBB Pro)
Erik Fromm (Bb) Overdose at 36
Dan Pucket (Bb) Heart Attack at 22
Candy Csensits 34
Jan Paul Sigmarson (Worlds Strongest man 4 times 84,86,88,90) Kidney Failure
Jesse Marunde ( Top American Strongman ) Heart Attack at 27
Antony Clark (Powerlifting Legend ) Heart Attack at 39
OD Wilson (Top Strongman) Heart Attack at 37

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« on: September 15, 2004, 06:14:03 pm »

" We have put together a list of those we have lost and photos where possible. Some of my information is incomplete and I am SURE I have left some out unintentionally. Please feel free to correct or add any information. Thanks. "

//( Some of the names are named in Shawns thread to, some not. Some "fits into his "criteria" for his thread start of death at too young age, some not. )


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[Ibarramedia]

Ah, this is straight out of Muscular Development. I added some names to that list last night.

[PSARG]

Jesse Marunde ( Top American Strongman ) Heart Attack at 27

/ I was shocked at this one." Reports indicate Marunde had just completed a set of high rep squats when he was stricken." / Powerliftinwatch Submitted by jon on July 26, 2007 - 12:18pm. . He always seamed like a VERY positive guy, when competing. And at 27..., Awful. RIP.

[Steve_Colescott]

For the heart attacks its hard to accurately determine the cause. Aspects of the lifestyle could either help or hurt CV heath.

As to the suicides, a lot of people enter bodybuilding in order to deal with a deep inner pain. But it can only do so much. Who knows if they had not found that outlet if they might have given up years earlier?

The murders? Got nuthin' there.

[Ironguru]

For the heart attacks its hard to accurately determine the cause. Aspects of the lifestyle could either help or hurt CV heath.

As to the suicides, a lot of people enter bodybuilding in order to deal with a deep inner pain. But it can only do so much. Who knows if they had not found that outlet if they might have given up years earlier?

The murders? Got nuthin' there.

Agreed. As horrible as these deaths may seem, I think Shawn is oversimplifying some things here.

[ProtoType]

im sure the list a alot longer than that . very sad indeed how they all passed but stated above no ones knows the exact causes on all those heart attacks.. non the less RIP ..

[PSARG]

Agreed. As horrible as these deaths may seem, I think Shawn is oversimplifying some things here.

/ Its complex for sure..but then y look at the high ! numbers of deaths/versus young age,,,and y have to wonder for real...............

Like him ore not,,Shawn is an intelligent man, and in the aftermath of Flex Wheelers illness and his own rounding off his career, he said himself that he is greatful to God for every day that he stays healthy, because he knows that he could meat the same fate as Flex did, or even worse...Shawn realises what he has done to himself during his career, and I say he is very brave in this aspect of bb. It takes a LOT of willpower etc to open up the fear that more or less everone who has been through a using career in bb is experiencing from time to time ( at least when y have a man to man open discussion).

Likewice Kevin Levrone stated on theLevroneReport on the same topic that " I dont know how I got away with it "...Well I would add that IF he got away with it, I saw one hell of a mental fight in Kew, from my corner. He did NOT seem like a happy guy, when he lost a MASSIVE amount of his size, after his career. Ive been up and close to that phenomenon, and it aint pretty...Its murder, mentally, to cope with such a bodysize change for a bb. At least for most, and MANY succumb to going back into drugs, and the spiral is on again. Risks increasing....

All Im saying is that when Shawn Kevin etc opens up like they do, I think it deserves listening, and respect.

All in all, I truly hope the best for everyone who is still around. ( Even if some people on the board seam to think that Im trolling for the fun of it.)

[Con]

Certainly bodybuilding has health risks only a fool would dispute that.
However the reality is every one dies and only a few lucky ones make it to an old age.
Same goes for the heart attack issue. Of course PED's will increase these risks as will being massively heavy. But at the end of the day heart attack is the number one cause of death any way, its not just bodybuilders dieing.

I think looking after your health and planning for the future past the point of being big is vital however if you are going to start worrying about every little possible health problem you may as well give up. I actually stopped bb completely for 3 months this year because i became overly worried about my health (no real reason besides slightly low hdl) but i quickly realized that bb made me far happier than not bb.

[Ryan Wacht]

Jesse Marundes death really surprises me as he seemed to be in top condition both in musculature and cardio fitness.

[Steve_Colescott]

Agreed. As horrible as these deaths may seem, I think Shawn is oversimplifying some things here.
Plus someone with more free time than me would need to compare these numbers against young deaths from heart attack, suicide, murder, etc. amongst the general public.

Look through a few issues of Powerlifting USA, that is like an obituary journal, and that a sport with far fewer competitors than bodybuilding. All in all, dying young doing what you love is far better than living to an old age doing nothing.

[Curt James]

Ron Tuefel

T-e-u-f-e-l.

http://www.ronteufel.com/

Negrita Jayde, bodybuilder, of cancer on August 28th, 2009. :(

http://musclememory.com/magCovers/mmi/mmi106.jpg

Rest in Peace to those on the list.

[Curt James]

Plus someone with more free time than me would need to compare these numbers against young deaths from heart attack, suicide, murder, etc. amongst the general public.

Look through a few issues of Powerlifting USA, that is like an obituary journal, and that a sport with far fewer competitors than bodybuilding. All in all, dying young doing what you love is far better than living to an old age doing nothing.

http://jcsatterlee.free.fr/cinema/grandetoile/braveheart.gif

"Every man dies. Not every man really lives."
- William Wallace

[PSARG]

Plus someone with more free time than me would need to compare these numbers against young deaths from heart attack, suicide, murder, etc. amongst the general public.

**Look through a few issues of Powerlifting USA, that is like an obituary journal**, and that a sport with far fewer competitors than bodybuilding. All in all, dying young doing what you love is far better than living to an old age doing nothing.

/ ** **. The main powerlifting club of my ca 200 000 people town, has a Large number of international merits among their lifters/in its history.

With ca 200 members, the clubs leader went through its death numbers for members below 35 since he got increasingly curious/bothered by the situation as time passed. ca 60 menmbers fell into this age cathegory, and ca 25 perc of these had died ( ca 17-18 persons).

He felt that his research" results were highly disturbing, and I dont blame him.

I could add that one of my earliest mentors and European/Worldchampionship contendor ( with high ! placings) powerlifter ( he taught me ALOT about the psychology/fearhandling surrounding recordbreaking in heavy ! lifting, and it was a FANTASTIC mentorexperience ), member of the same club died at 41. He started lifting somehow late ( for his merits) at 25, and was known in the circles for only having bean on one cycle in his life. One LONG cycle that is => 16 years long in retrospect. "Offseason for him, was a few months a year with 5 Dballs/day, for mantaincy......

As for "not all have really lived" etc,, I dont know...I have suported old lifting friends even at hospitals when they werein for cancer etc, and all I can say is that Hollowod perspectives "/heroism on life, can seam quite remote/uninteresting when these people (and their family and friends) are faced with such a situation. With maybe a couple of exceptions ( or less), I have personally not meat a person in such situations that would not trade away his "glory" days, for a new and healthy life.

[Ryan Bracewell]

Certainly bodybuilding has health risks only a fool would dispute that.
However the reality is every one dies and only a few lucky ones make it to an old age.
Same goes for the heart attack issue. Of course PED's will increase these risks as will being massively heavy. But at the end of the day heart attack is the number one cause of death any way, its not just bodybuilders dieing.

I think looking after your health and planning for the future past the point of being big is vital however if you are going to start worrying about every little possible health problem you may as well give up. I actually stopped bb completely for 3 months this year because i became overly worried about my health (no real reason besides slightly low hdl) but i quickly realized that bb made me far happier than not bb.

Agreed. I would be more worried about all the suicides and murders in the BBing/fitness community than the heart attacks. Of course taking drugs can increase your risk of heart attack among other problems, but so can being big in general. Just look at the average age of death of NFL lineman. Im sure they use drugs, but not at the level that bodybuilders do and they still only have a lifespan of like 50. The simple truth is "you have to pay to play".


Jesse Marundes death really surprises me as he seemed to be in top condition both in musculature and cardio fitness.

Jesse had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy which is one of the leading causes of death in young athletes. His drug use may have made this issue worse but regardless it could have killed him at any age even without drugs.

As for Jon Pall, he did not die from kidney issues. He died during a workout from a torn Aorta which has happened to others in his family. So again his lifestyle may have made this worse, but there is no way to say for sure.

[tight booty]

http://jcsatterlee.free.fr/cinema/grandetoile/braveheart.gif

"Every man dies. Not every man really lives."
- William Wallace
I love that quote Curt! Thanks for sharing....:)

[This Is War]

Really sad, especially when there is 4 murders on the list. RIP

[VinnyNardone]

R.I.P

died trying to live the dream

[Curt James]

Certainly bodybuilding has health risks only a fool would dispute that.
However the reality is every one dies and only a few lucky ones make it to an old age.
Same goes for the heart attack issue. Of course PED's will increase these risks as will being massively heavy. But at the end of the day heart attack is the number one cause of death any way, its not just bodybuilders dieing.

I think looking after your health and planning for the future past the point of being big is vital however if you are going to start worrying about every little possible health problem you may as well give up. I actually stopped bb completely for 3 months this year because i became overly worried about my health (no real reason besides slightly low hdl) but i quickly realized that bb made me far happier than not bb.

X2

People die.

I'd guess that the average recreational lifter or even amateur bodybuilder has less to worry about than does the average couch potato or bar fly.


I love that quote

That one's a keeper in my book, too. :)


/ ** **.

// * ** *** // ~ \\ * || :confused:

Seriously.


I have personally not meat a person in such situations that would not trade away his "glory" days, for a new and healthy life.

You tell me when you meet anyone, ANYONE on their death bed who wouldn't trade his or her "glory" days for a new and healthy life. Get real. I mean, that's a given for the majority, I'd guess.

[Ibarramedia]

// Im picking up on one of the most important ( IMO ) threads starts I have ever sean in bb. I thread start from 2008 by Shawn Ray.

Even though Im fully aware of this picture it hits me everytime I come across it. Its a veritable FLOOD of heart attacks and other endings of life in MUCH to young people in our sport/strongman/powerlifting etc that shows its distorted face to the reader. As Shawn points out, his list is FAR from complete, and could be lengtened several times over easily, and how things will look 20 years from now,,,,is a horrifying thought...

( Ill add that I could make a similar list from my country, and it would not look any better, +I wont make such a list for various reasons )

At least be careful out there iron brothers and sisters. Remember to look out for yourselves. Because nobody else will..:byeb://


June 12th, 2008, 11:59 PM MD Shawn Ray;

" In the present climate regarding the recent passing of Amanda, I got to thinking about all the people I know or knew in the business of Bodybuilding and Fitness that are no longer with us and left us way too soon!
Debbi Dobbins (Galaxy Competitor): Smoke Inhalation / Suspicious Fire
Esi Rainwater (Ms. Cal): Suicide Gun
Ray McNeil (IFBB Pro): Murdered!
Kay Baxter (IFBB Pro): Car Crash
Momo Benezziza (IFBB Pro): Duiretic Overdose
Kristie Ramsey (NPC Fitness): Murdered!
Melissa James (IFBB Pro Assistant): Murdered!
Don Youngblood (IFBB Pro): Heart Attack
Curtis Leftler (NPC Competitor): Heart Attack
Paul DeMayo (IFBB Pro): Heroin Overdose
Claudia Bianchi (IFBB Pro): ( Heart attack at 36)
Fanny Barrios (IFBB Pro): ??
Bill Reynolds (Flex Editor): Drugs
Amanda Savell (IFBB Pro): Murdered!

This list sucks, as I thought all them had so much more to offer and live for.
I'm sure this list is twice or three times as long when you factor in others like The Mentzer Bros, and so on but it makes me nauseus to think of how some of these people died.
Sad that all of them could not have died of Old Age and peaceful.

Rest in Peace.
S Ray "

June 14 th 2008 Same thread Shawn Ray ;

" When you really begin to think about it, it really becomes depressing. At my age I shouldn't know this many Young People cut down in the prime of their lives.
I could add a name daily to the people I once knew or came in close contact with in our sport that "Poof" are no longer with us?
Linda Sobeck (Raider Cheerleder/ Fit Model): Murdered
Jeep Swenson (Bodyguard/ Actor) Heart Attack
Ron Tuefel (NPC Bodybuilder) ??
And yea, Don Ross, Eric Otero (IFBB Pro Dead at 36), Andreas Munzer and Trevor Smith, I knew them all and now their history!
Sad to say the least, just think how long this list will be 20 years from now!
__________________
Strength & Honor! "

// OTHER NAMES FROM THE THREAD;

Greg Deferro ( Bb ) Heart Attack
Eduardo Kawak (Bb ) Heart Attack
Lyle Alzado
Sonny Schmidt (IFBB Pro)
Erik Fromm (Bb) Overdose at 36
Dan Pucket (Bb) Heart Attack at 22
Candy Csensits 34
Jan Paul Sigmarson (Worlds Strongest man 4 times 84,86,88,90) Kidney Failure
Jesse Marunde ( Top American Strongman ) Heart Attack at 27
Antony Clark (Powerlifting Legend ) Heart Attack at 39
OD Wilson (Top Strongman) Heart Attack at 37

// THE LINK BELOW; was added in thread;
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« on: September 15, 2004, 06:14:03 pm »

" We have put together a list of those we have lost and photos where possible. Some of my information is incomplete and I am SURE I have left some out unintentionally. Please feel free to correct or add any information. Thanks. "

//( Some of the names are named in Shawns thread to, some not. Some "fits into his "criteria" for his thread start of death at too young age, some not. )


http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?topic=7578.0


Good thing you put in Candy Csensits who died from breast Cancer. We need to include Marianna Komlos who also died from breast cancer,Mishay Santos from aids I think. Peggy Ouwerling and Lindy Champion Deaths unknown. Wait, did we miss Shelley Beattie?

[lou0178]

I remember Curtis Leffler in the gym. He was purple, but was huge. I told my friend, "hey Curtis doesn't loo good". One week later he died.

[lou0178]

very sad

[PSARG]

I love that quote Curt! Thanks for sharing....:)

/Lady Gaga inspired Avi huh.....?!!

[PSARG]

X2

People die.

I'd guess that the average recreational lifter or even amateur bodybuilder has less to worry about than does the average couch potato or bar fly.



That one's a keeper in my book, too. :)



// * ** *** // ~ \\ * || :confused:

Seriously.



You tell me when you meet anyone, ANYONE on their death bed who wouldn't trade his or her "glory" days for a new and healthy life. Get real. I mean, that's a given for the majority, I'd guess.

// Show some respect Curt......

I doubt that you have taken any greater risks in your bb days, or have known that many up close who have. Its easy to rant out shallow Hollywood qoutes/clichies etc, from a safe distance. But maybe thats the way y like it,,,sheering others on to take the real risks, so that y can be entertained. I startded liking y therer for a while,,but then y fall back into the "crazy fan" cathegory who hasnt really walked the walk, but internets a whole lot. It doesnt impress me to much. But I guess/hope y are a good guy somehow anyway..

No worries about my board participation though,,,In 2010 I wont have much time* for sharing on any bb boards anyway. Its all good since I realise from my Dennis gut thread, and this thread etc, that say half of the "want to be entertained-everyday bbing interested person" actually wants the spectable in modern bb to continue and probably even to escalete.

There is a new breed in bb (compared to my days), both on elite level and fan level,,and its basically a Jerry Springer like gathering.

*The stockmarket is my new arena, since some time. For sure its loaded with f ucked up people as well, BUT at least I make real good money.

It has been good though to meat the quality people on this board ..y know who y are,,and Romano by the way, is one of them.

Over and out............................................... ...............

[BigJD69]

The list of Pro Wrestlers is prob. way longer than BBers, Powerlifters, and Fitness Models.

[J. Daniels]

Paul Demayo died from a drug overdose.

RIP Quadzilla.

[Zetawill]

To bad Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler aren't on the list......add to that Greg Valentino.

oh and professional glute watcher Steve Blechman

[exit2010]

To bad Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler aren't on the list.

could not agree more, reps.