Anonymous questions about T3 and clen

[GirlyMuscle]

Anonymous poster asks...

I am wondering if anyone has the following side effects with T3. I am on a stack of liquidclen and T3. It is 45 day cycle with 2 weeks of clen on and 2 weeks off, then 2 weeks on again. T3 is throughout the cycle slowly rising to 125mcgs then going back down and taparing off.

Here is my problem. I was fine the first 2 weeks with the clen and everything, but I am on my off cycle of clen but at the 100 - 125 mcgs of T3 and my heart is racing like a race horse. Is this normal? I've tried looking on the forums and haven't found anything like this. I know that Clen is a stimulant and thought I would feel this way on it but not off it with just the T3.

[SallyAnne]

Is she taking any stims while not on the clen? Some people rotate it out with a otc fat burner or ECA stack...

[GirlyMuscle]

My personal opinion is that the T3 is too high. You should start at 25mg and slowly ramp up. You should not have to exceed 75mgs. You're heart is racing for that reason...T3 dosage is too high.

[GirlyMuscle]

Is she taking any stims while not on the clen? Some people rotate it out with a otc fat burner or ECA stack...

I'll ask. BRB

[barbellbarbie]

that amount of t3 will be extremely catabolic.. i would seriously rethink that dose. i NEVER go over 50mcg a day. some men i know go as high as 100mcg but report a racing heart amd severe fatigue..

[SallyAnne]

I'm going to disagree on the dose of the T3. Yes, it's high - but I think it's because she ramped up too fast rather than the dose itself. I know many people who work their way up to 100 mcg or more over longer periods of time and have no side effects like she mentioned.

[AnglicanBeachParty]

I googled this a while back and found several references to clen having this effect on heart rate and "intensity" of the heart beat as well.

I personally know of an individual who was fine on 50mcg of T3, but when even a very small dose of clen was added in, resting heart rate (even upon waking in the morning) went up to around 95bpm, and the person complained that the heart was "pounding". I think some people are just very sensitive to one or the other.

[SallyAnne]

Clen makes me shaky, but also makes me tired.

[sassy69]

Definitely take a look at the t3 ramp up & dosage. I believe you can ramp up reasonably quickly, but the ramp down is much slower. But its also more important to listen to your body and go by your response before trying to stick to some generic cycle plan someone wrote down. Not everyone is the same in their response to a drug (and unless you're getting pharma grade stuff, its not necessarily accurately dosed either). Certainly no one dies if you don't go up to 125 mcg just because its written. I'd probably cap it at 100 mcg if I were making recommendations. But if its that bad, then just ramp it down, in 12.5 mcg intervals, stay at that level for 2-3 days before dropping again. This way you can find the level that you are able to function better at.

[heavyiron]

T3 is too high for you. Reduce it now to 50mcg's daily and SLOWLY raise it. You may want to cap your T3 dose at 100mcg's.

[SallyAnne]

T3 is too high for you. Reduce it now to 50mcg's daily and SLOWLY raise it. You may want to cap your T3 dose at 100mcg's.

When you say slowly, I'm guessing once a week or once every couple of weeks, correct? - and only by about 12.5 mcg at a time...

[R.I.P.]

glad i found this thread. i'll be starting a liquid clen and t3 stack soon. good info. for sure. i'm finishing up clen tabs right now. 120 day and ain't feeling it. but i do feel tighter esp. in the arms and shoulders.

[heavyiron]

When you say slowly, I'm guessing once a week or once every couple of weeks, correct? - and only by about 12.5 mcg at a time...
When you read studies, 50mcg's is not an unheard of starting dose for some applications so I see zero problem jumping on 50mcg's day one or jumping off 50mcg's when finished however once 50mcg's is exceeded I think it is wise to slowly increase dose. This is especially important for someone who is a first time user. Additionally, because T3 is catabolic, frequent protein should be consumed and I would use at least an anabolic alongside T3. I personally can adjust my T3 dose by 25mcg's with no problems therefore I would start at 50mcg's daily and about 5-7 days later increase to 75mcg's and so forth. However this is pretty aggressive when you look at how slowly doctors recommend increasing dose.

Many users notice that they flatten out around 75-100mcg's daily so depending on your goals this may not be a desirable dose. Unfortunately we can only give cookie cutter advice without labs. My feeling is this user has a lower tolerance to T3 and should cap her dose in the future. Hopefully she is using an anabolic as well.

Here is a dosing guidline for T3 in people with mild hypothyroidism (there are many variants for different problems)

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Treatment of
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[s2h]

another good round of solid advice Heavy(you know i never got much of anything worth while out of alot of these sites tell i ran into your info,and no i'm not kissn his ass)One thing she didnt mention is if the t3 was liqiud or tabs,i would assume it was liqiud research co.(liqiud) stuff since the clen was liqiud,this could mean that it is miss dosed(most likely over) so that could explain the prob.Also what is she bridging her clen w/ on the 2 weeks off?

[BadAssBarbie]

Yes, if your T3 is too high, your heart can race, you might have a hard time sleeping, you may get the sweats.

[crazygirl]

wondering what dosage guidelines should be used for liquid clen for girls ... ??? i've been working out for years hardcore and just want to lean out for the summer. i've been told this is the best route to go ...

[s2h]

T3 is too high for you. Reduce it now to 50mcg's daily and SLOWLY raise it. You may want to cap your T3 dose at 100mcg's.listen to hi

[Bryan Hildebrand]

I'm going to disagree on the dose of the T3. Yes, it's high - but I think it's because she ramped up too fast rather than the dose itself. I know many people who work their way up to 100 mcg or more over longer periods of time and have no side effects like she mentioned.

this, for the win.
started too high. 25mcg and ramp weekly. I dont think many women can or should tolerate 125. 100 is reasonable. most important thing to remember IMO, is if you are going to drop down, drop it 25mcg per week. do not drop 50 or more at a time. when you are finishing the ccle, please, ramp down slowl to optimally allow your TSH to recover.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

and sorry, I disagree with a 75mcg drop all at once. dropping 75mcg over say 2 weeks, sure. but with the above statistical analysis, is this is not a primarily hypothyroid person. the cascading effects of a thyroid that goes to shit by something that could have been prevented could be devestating.