750mg test or 500test/200tren

[me4ka86]

Hi Bros,

what would build more muscle - 750mg of test e or 500mg test e and 200mg tren e?

[bringingthehuge]

Do 750mg test and tren

[sweed]

depends on how big you are, how old you are, how long you have trained, what your training consists of, and what your diet is like.

[juggernaut]

Also, is this your first cycle? I'm 42, started using test at 500mg 10 weeks ago, and I'm up 22 lbs. Of course, it is needed to be said that training and diet are spot on.

[Ninja Loco]

Hi Bros,

what would build more muscle - 750mg of test e or 500mg test e and 200mg tren e?
First Id like to know where you came up with that dosage ratio. Second, the compounds wont build the muscle, bro. What they will do is contribute to the quality of the muscle. That question alone "what will build more muscle" is giving me pause.

Whats your cycle experience?

[juggernaut]

First Id like to know where you came up with that dosage ratio. Second, the compounds wont build the muscle, bro. What they will do is contribute to the quality of the muscle. That question alone "what will build more muscle" is giving me pause.

Whats your cycle experience?I thought the same thing

[Bigphil]

if your diets tight your going to get the best gains on 750mgs test and the the tren 75mgs eod or 50... depending on your experience..this is just my own personal opinion and i am very far from an expert you will find what works for you best through your own personal experience.....

[me4ka86]

diet and training is good. so far i have had 2 cycles of test at 500mg. i think its time to step up a bit and was wondering more test or test and tren.

[bad rad]

IMO 750 Test will provide more weight, not specifically muscle. The 500 Test/200Tren will provide better quality muscular gains. I've used tren once and liked it.

[Ninja Loco]

IMO 750 Test will provide more weight, not specifically muscle. The 500 Test/200Tren will provide better quality muscular gains. I've used tren once and liked it.
This right here to a point, 4K. If you already had 2 test cycles then MY advice would be to just continue with that until you start "topping out". Who knows, you may not top out. The only time you add another compound to a cycle is when you are looking to achieve a certain result that test alone wont provide. Thats really the only reason.

Tren is a HARSH compound, so dont look to add it lightly....it has some nasty sides that some people cant handle. Most people that decide to run Tren already know this, though, and have prepared properly for it. Everything in AAS is a double edged sword, bro. For every benefit, there is usually a negative. The better the benefit, the harder the negative. In my opinion only experienced people should run tren, but you're obviously an adult and you're looking for advice, which is good.

So what are you looking for? What is your goal this time around? Just pure mass? If thats the case we could all recommend something a little simpler. But if you're dead set on running tren, then maybe we could help with the dosing and PCT so you dont go experiencing too many of the sides or you can be properly prepared in case you do.

[bad rad]

At this point I would either up the dose to 750 or add one mild anabolic, ie EQ, Deca, etc. Like NL said, tren is a good next level drug. I've used it once in 8yrs of using and then the dose was really low.

[Warped]

IMO 750 Test will provide more weight, not specifically muscle. The 500 Test/200Tren will provide better quality muscular gains. I've used tren once and liked it.

I agree,vell put.

[Ninja Loco]

Sorry, bro....but Deca and EQ are not mild in the least. EQ is almost as suppresive as Tren and there is a reason why the term Deca Dick exists.

No need to up the dose to anything more than what he's been doing if he has had good luck with the old dose. What for? Doesnt make sense to change something that was working until it no longer works the same. One of the first rules in steroid use is that more doesnt always equal better.

No need to add anything else either until gains start to diminish or the overall goal has changed.

[bad rad]

I meant mild as far as effects, I should have been more clear. Everything is suppressive so that's mute, but as far as Deca sides they don't compare to Tren. Their are many ways to combat prolactin increase, also known as Deca Dick, Tren is just as bad. Case in point, I'm running 250 Test with 400 Deca right now and my libido is sky high.

[Jack of All]

deca gave me these sweet hard lumps under my nips. I did all the stuff I knew to do when they first came about. I started nolva and upped my arimidex and nothing helped. Wish I knew a little more beforei started deca, i would have had some caber or prami ready. Live an Learn.

[Ninja Loco]

I meant mild as far as effects, I should have been more clear. Everything is suppressive so that's mute, but as far as Deca sides they don't compare to Tren. Their are many ways to combat prolactin increase, also known as Deca Dick, Tren is just as bad. Case in point, I'm running 250 Test with 400 Deca right now and my libido is sky high.
Ah yes. Quite true on all counts. Are you running Deca or the "fast deca" NPP? I found NPP to be love in a bottle. If there is a good combo for mass it's test and deca/npp. Props to you for running such a high dose of deca vs test and still have killer libido. Shows you know what you're doing.

[bad rad]

Ah yes. Quite true on all counts. Are you running Deca or the "fast deca" NPP? I found NPP to be love in a bottle. If there is a good combo for mass it's test and deca/npp. Props to you for running such a high dose of deca vs test and still have killer libido. Shows you know what you're doing.

Running straight decanoate right now, will be swapping over to the NPP to let it clear with the test. Most of Deca's sides are caused by high estrogen from the test and not preventing prolactin from getting out of control. There are herbs that are very effective at prolactin inhibition, been shown in research and centuries of use. Google agnus castus.

[Ninja Loco]

Then thats even more frikkin awesome.

[rj45]

Hi Bros,

what would build more muscle - 750mg of test e or 500mg test e and 200mg tren e?

I didn't get that big on my first tren cycle it will raise your cholesterol and hurt your liver a bit for the cuts u get.

Better to stick with test maybe. I think tren is good only for a lower calorie diet not for mass. WHy not test deca and eq or something. I never tried that but why not.

[Bigphil]

soryy to disagree but tren is freakin awsome for mass and since when do injectables hurt your liver not tryin to be a dick but pretty sure tren is just kidney toxic

[Ninja Loco]

soryy to disagree but tren is freakin awsome for mass and since when do injectables hurt your liver not tryin to be a dick but pretty sure tren is just kidney toxic
Awesome for mass when stacked with test....never really heard of it being overtly good for mass just by itself. I think he may have meant kidneys, Phil. It jacks mine all to hell by the sixth week. I have since recieved some excellent advice about drinking pure cranberry juice and taking cranberry pills to take care of that problem. I just might do that in the future.

[MUD]

I agree with 750 of test. Save the tren for your second cycle. I have tried alot of different compounds and I will only do test and tren from here on out. I think 750 of test and 350 of tren would be a great second cycle.

[Bigphil]

Awesome for mass when stacked with test....never really heard of it being overtly good for mass just by itself. I think he may have meant kidneys, Phil. It jacks mine all to hell by the sixth week. I have since recieved some excellent advice about drinking pure cranberry juice and taking cranberry pills to take care of that problem. I just might do that in the future.
yes awsome with test cranberry eh?? interesting i will definatly try that i know i had some issues the last time i ran tren..i personally loved the stuff minus the very harsh sides anxiety being the worst one i had and lack of sleep

[rj45]

soryy to disagree but tren is freakin awsome for mass and since when do injectables hurt your liver not tryin to be a dick but pretty sure tren is just kidney toxic

My labs showed diffrent but it could have been dbol I did a long long time ago I guess. I believe Tren is not too great for you I wouldn't use it for mass when something else could probably give you the same results. Save the tren for recomposition.

I am relative newb so take that into account but I doubt I'm wrong, ask heavyiron. just my 2c.

[Bigphil]

rj i dont doubt what knowledge you have and labs dont lie i am just sayin from my own personal experience i have had labs done after 1200mgs sust weekly and 4-600mgs tren ace weekly with no elevated liver enzymes but every BODY is diffrerent..and for me tren is a great mass builder and also doubles as a good cutter...FOR ME.. peace bro

[rj45]

rj i dont doubt what knowledge you have and labs dont lie i am just sayin from my own personal experience i have had labs done after 1200mgs sust weekly and 4-600mgs tren ace weekly with no elevated liver enzymes but every BODY is diffrerent..and for me tren is a great mass builder and also doubles as a good cutter...FOR ME.. peace bro


That ratio you use is probably the key to your gains. I think that for my last tren cycle I didn't do enough test with it. I did equal 500, 500. I was doing axio tren enth and axio sust 325.

I will try 900/500tren next time.

My liver might have been from the dbol or who knows whats in that axio crap.

[Bigphil]

i like to stay 400mgs above the tren

[TheButcher]

Id say 750 and 400. Make the first one a good one.

[rj45]

i like to stay 400mgs above the tren

Yeah if you don't do almost double it probably won't give you the mass gains. If you do close to equal you will get more cuts but gain less.

[Bigphil]

i also like to stay 400 above the tren otherwise i get shut down and cant get hard ons.........