Need2Slin

[Rattbones]

I'm going to do a product test for our friends at Need to Build Muscle
http://www.needtobuildmuscle.net/

The product I'm going to test is Need2Slin, and all I relay know about this product so far is what they tell me.

The benefits Of need2slin
Increased LBM!
Rock hard, long lasting PUMPS!
Lower bodyfat!
Increased glycogen uptake!
Increased metabolism!
Improved thyroid function!
Increased Androgen receptor sensitivity!
Improved blood lipids
Increased vascularity

I'm going to set some goals, plan a diet, and give you all the real results,,,no bullshit!!

They want me to take 2caps twice a day, 2 when I wake up and 2 post workout. Easy Right!

What they don't know is I wake up and go to work at 9pm when most of you are getting comfortable. And I work out at 9am when most of you are at work. So What? My normal cycles are all jacked up, and my food options at night are miserable. Need2Slin will have to be the real deal to work on me.

I'm going to keep you up to date with my workouts, photos, diet, and how I feel, so check back in soon

["Rodz"]

Good luck Bro!, i cant wait to hear it, i should be getting mine soon as well, i'm excited to see if i can add some carbs back into my diet!!!!

Make sure you check out the need to build muscle section here . My transformation challenge is there, Ive been using NTBM products since last july with great results!!!!


KILL THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[needtogetaas]

Nice we got a tough on on our hands. I loved the night shift work. Used to do it my self for years. When i was on the night crew in the Army.

[needtogetaas]

where we at?

[needtogetaas]

HI>>>>>>>>>

["Rodz"]

Wow really ?

[Rattbones]

I see we want more, lol, good

I got my package from N2B Sat

Here is about what my diet should look like

meal 1 5hole eggs 2 egg whits, or half cup oats, palm full of dried cranberry's, and 50g protean powder.
meal 2 50g protean shake
meal 3 8oz fish w/ half cup brown rice and broccoli or 6oz chicken, cup asparagus
meal 4 30g protean bar
meal 5 6oz lean ground beef or chicken w/ half cup brown rice, and half cut veg
meal 6 half cut ff cottage cheese w/ handful of raw almonds

I took a before photo, it's on my home pc so I will upload it later
but here are the stats

Ht 6'0
Wt 291
My weight is up quite abit since last oct (264), no diet over the holidays has not been good to me.

I did workout today (Monday) it was chest and tri's
I took 2 Need2Slin in the AM with my multi vit and fish oil
Here's the workout:
Inc Flys 15x30lb, 12x35, 10-12x40
Dec Bench 15x135, 10x225, 3x6x275
Pech deck 50x150, 20x180, 12x215
Iso Inc HammerST 20x135,10x225, 8x225, 6x275
Nautilus Seated Pushdown 15x225, 3x8x315
Overhead tri ext 18x150, 10x180, 3x8x205
rev grip push down 18x90, 3x16x105
30min treadmill walk post workout

I took 2 Need2slin after my workout

I don't really feel anything noticeable from the caps I took. I did sweat quite a bit during my workout, but I had limited time so I had to keep the rest time down. I have no workout on Tues AM, but I do walk on the treadmill at home for 30min. Wed is back and Bi's. Back and legs are my favorite training days, I can go almost 100%.

[Rattbones]

http://www.resize2mail.com/resized/21/tmpphpcXuebI.jpg

Well this is very motivating, and disappointing how far I'm let myself slide.

[needtogetaas]

http://www.resize2mail.com/resized/21/tmpphpcXuebI.jpg

Well this is very motivating, and disappointing how far I'm let myself slide.
It can happen to anyone bro. If nothing else keeping a log like this can help you learn more about your self and motivate you to push for higher goals.

#rd shift can fuck up your life man I know. Its like you got no one but you and your work. You sleep all day and work all night. It sucks and it also kills just about everything. No worries you got rx and friends here and will all help out and be here in your log with you.

[SBT]

Subbed!! i'll be following this one, looking forward to seeing your progress!! :)

[russianstar]

I'm going to do a product test for our friends at Need to Build Muscle
http://www.needtobuildmuscle.net/

The product I'm going to test is Need2Slin, and all I relay know about this product so far is what they tell me.

The benefits Of need2slin
Increased LBM!
Rock hard, long lasting PUMPS!
Lower bodyfat!
Increased glycogen uptake!
Increased metabolism!
Improved thyroid function!
Increased Androgen receptor sensitivity!
Improved blood lipids
Increased vascularity

I'm going to set some goals, plan a diet, and give you all the real results,,,no bullshit!!

They want me to take 2caps twice a day, 2 when I wake up and 2 post workout. Easy Right!

What they don't know is I wake up and go to work at 9pm when most of you are getting comfortable. And I work out at 9am when most of you are at work. So What? My normal cycles are all jacked up, and my food options at night are miserable. Need2Slin will have to be the real deal to work on me.

I'm going to keep you up to date with my workouts, photos, diet, and how I feel, so check back in soon


I think it might be beneficial for you to take 1 cap every few hours or so, 1 am on an empty stomach 30 mins before food, 1 midday again 30 mins before food, one a few hours later the same timing and then either 1 in the evening before dinner or last thing at night on an empty stomach.

This seems to be giving the best results, we got some pics on the other sites showing the body composition changes after just a few weeks, so im hoping you will see something similar.. if you need any help with dosing or timing you can drop me a pm.

Thanks for running this sponsored log, and be brutaly honest.. everyones different so results will be dependent on such a variety of factors, but i know one thing it works.. just how it works for you will remain to be seen, Thanks R.S

[russianstar]

I see we want more, lol, good

I got my package from N2B Sat

Here is about what my diet should look like

meal 1 5hole eggs 2 egg whits, or half cup oats, palm full of dried cranberry's, and 50g protean powder.
meal 2 50g protean shake
meal 3 8oz fish w/ half cup brown rice and broccoli or 6oz chicken, cup asparagus
meal 4 30g protean bar
meal 5 6oz lean ground beef or chicken w/ half cup brown rice, and half cut veg
meal 6 half cut ff cottage cheese w/ handful of raw almonds

I took a before photo, it's on my home pc so I will upload it later
but here are the stats

Ht 6'0
Wt 291
My weight is up quite abit since last oct (264), no diet over the holidays has not been good to me.

I did workout today (Monday) it was chest and tri's
I took 2 Need2Slin in the AM with my multi vit and fish oil
Here's the workout:
Inc Flys 15x30lb, 12x35, 10-12x40
Dec Bench 15x135, 10x225, 3x6x275
Pech deck 50x150, 20x180, 12x215
Iso Inc HammerST 20x135,10x225, 8x225, 6x275
Nautilus Seated Pushdown 15x225, 3x8x315
Overhead tri ext 18x150, 10x180, 3x8x205
rev grip push down 18x90, 3x16x105
30min treadmill walk post workout

I took 2 Need2slin after my workout

I don't really feel anything noticeable from the caps I took. I did sweat quite a bit during my workout, but I had limited time so I had to keep the rest time down. I have no workout on Tues AM, but I do walk on the treadmill at home for 30min. Wed is back and Bi's. Back and legs are my favorite training days, I can go almost 100%.


Why did you take it after your workout?

["Rodz"]

Why did you take it after your workout?


Hey RS whats up man

thats the same protical i got from Need, im on 1 am, and one PWO, i take it then eat 30 min later

[Rattbones]

Subbed!! i'll be following this one, looking forward to seeing your progress!! :)
thanks for following

[Rattbones]

Why did you take it after your workout?

I'm following the protocol from Need2. I take 2am with breakfast and 2 post workout, or 2 with dinner.

Today when I got up at 8pm I hit the treadmill for 20min and ate my first meal of oats and protean with 2 Need2Slin.

Getting ready to eat my second meal now, about 7oz of steak and 2/3 cup brown rice.

Back workout in the am after work, I will update you all with that when I get back on tomorrow.

[Rattbones]

It can happen to anyone bro. If nothing else keeping a log like this can help you learn more about your self and motivate you to push for higher goals.

#rd shift can fuck up your life man I know. Its like you got no one but you and your work. You sleep all day and work all night. It sucks and it also kills just about everything. No worries you got rx and friends here and will all help out and be here in your log with you.

Thanks for the support!
I can feel my metabolism is starting to move, been pretty warm over the past 2 days.

How long can you continue to take Need2Slin before you would recommend cycling off?

[Andrew732]

Thanks for the support!
I can feel my metabolism is starting to move, been pretty warm over the past 2 days.

How long can you continue to take Need2Slin before you would recommend cycling off?
Here to support as well bro! I recommend 8-12 weeks and followed by a 4 week lay off period to allow the body not to build too much tolerance to the banaba. The feeling of a warm sensation is attributed to the combo of synepherine and forksolin.

[russianstar]

I'm following the protocol from Need2. I take 2am with breakfast and 2 post workout, or 2 with dinner.

Today when I got up at 8pm I hit the treadmill for 20min and ate my first meal of oats and protean with 2 Need2Slin.

Getting ready to eat my second meal now, about 7oz of steak and 2/3 cup brown rice.

Back workout in the am after work, I will update you all with that when I get back on tomorrow.


Ok needto will have to explain why post workout, i didnt design it for that.

Seriously bro you dont take it with food you take it 30 mins before, otherwise it cant work through fat inhibition and cAMP suppression, it needs an empty stomach to create the right enviroment.
Im telling you how it works bro because i want you to get the best from it, i designed it so it should always be taken before food, NEVER with.

[russianstar]

Thanks for the support!
I can feel my metabolism is starting to move, been pretty warm over the past 2 days.

How long can you continue to take Need2Slin before you would recommend cycling off?


Like andrew said 8-12 weeks, but it was designed to provide increasing changes through a longer period, and safe to cycle all year round, as it promotes correct and healthy insulin secretion in the pancreas, and a cholesterol lowering effect, through its ability to add stability to blood sugar levels, and glucagon secretion.

[SBT]

I've almost noticed that warming feeling!! :)

[Conrad]

I will be falling this log as well with you guys. I am anxious to see how this products works. I was just about to purchase some slin but I think the product is something I could benefit much more from.

["Rodz"]

Like andrew said 8-12 weeks, but it was designed to provide increasing changes through a longer period, and safe to cycle all year round, as it promotes correct and healthy insulin secretion in the pancreas, and a cholesterol lowering effect, through its ability to add stability to blood sugar levels, and glucagon secretion.


Amazing ill take all the help i can get!!!!

["Rodz"]

I will be falling this log as well with you guys. I am anxious to see how this products works. I was just about to purchase some slin but I think the product is something I could benefit much more from.


To quote Ronnie " Ain't nothin to it , but to do it"

LOL

[Rattbones]

Ok needto will have to explain why post workout, i didnt design it for that.

Seriously bro you dont take it with food you take it 30 mins before, otherwise it cant work through fat inhibition and cAMP suppression, it needs an empty stomach to create the right enviroment.
Im telling you how it works bro because i want you to get the best from it, i designed it so it should always be taken before food, NEVER with.

Russianstar
Thanks for speaking up! I'm checking with Need2 to change our dosing piratical.

[Rattbones]

So here's what happened since the last update

Wed am workout Back & Bi

Nat grip Pull-down - 150x15, 165x10, 180x8, 180x8, 180,8
T-Bar Row (close grip) - 135x20, 175x12, 225x8x3
Rack pulls - 135x12, 225x8, 315x8, 315x8, 405x6, 405x8
Nautilus Pullovers - 225x12, 265x10, 315x8, 355x6
ez-curl bar - 60x15, 80x12, 80x10, 80x10
DB hammer curls - 30x12, 40x8, 40x8, 40x8
Preacher curl - 45x15, 55x12, 55x12, 55x10

One think about my workout. I had to stop 3 times because of cramps. My peck cramped on my second to last set of dead lifts. My abs cramped during pull overs. And the arch of my left foot cramped when doing Preacher Curls. I normally drink 2-3 32oz bott of water every night, I will need to insure I'm getting plenty of water. I will let you know if the cramps continue. And like to here your experiences or suggestions.

What I've been eating?
Yesterday post workout had my 50g shake w/water
1 hour later 1/2 cup low fat cottage cheese and 1/3 cup raw almonds

tonight when I got up I did 20min on the treadmill, then ate
8oz grilled chicken and 1/2 cup brown rice
going to have a shake in about 30min, no workout in the am, but legs are Friday am

Thanks for all the support!

["Rodz"]

So here's what happened since the last update

Wed am workout Back & Bi

Nat grip Pull-down - 150x15, 165x10, 180x8, 180x8, 180,8
T-Bar Row (close grip) - 135x20, 175x12, 225x8x3
Rack pulls - 135x12, 225x8, 315x8, 315x8, 405x6, 405x8
Nautilus Pullovers - 225x12, 265x10, 315x8, 355x6
ez-curl bar - 60x15, 80x12, 80x10, 80x10
DB hammer curls - 30x12, 40x8, 40x8, 40x8
Preacher curl - 45x15, 55x12, 55x12, 55x10

One think about my workout. I had to stop 3 times because of cramps. My peck cramped on my second to last set of dead lifts. My abs cramped during pull overs. And the arch of my left foot cramped when doing Preacher Curls. I normally drink 2-3 32oz bott of water every night, I will need to insure I'm getting plenty of water. I will let you know if the cramps continue. And like to here your experiences or suggestions.

What I've been eating?
Yesterday post workout had my 50g shake w/water
1 hour later 1/2 cup low fat cottage cheese and 1/3 cup raw almonds

tonight when I got up I did 20min on the treadmill, then ate
8oz grilled chicken and 1/2 cup brown rice
going to have a shake in about 30min, no workout in the am, but legs are Friday am

Thanks for all the support!


Looks like a good day, if i may offer an idea, looks like you're keeping the weight the same for several sets, why not try to up the ante on your last set, even if you only get 5-8 reps, really push yourself to grow!!!!

In my thread, you'll see some of my final sets are low reps, im just trying to really tear some fibre down and let the food, suppliments and rest repair them.

[Andrew732]

So here's what happened since the last update

Wed am workout Back & Bi

Nat grip Pull-down - 150x15, 165x10, 180x8, 180x8, 180,8
T-Bar Row (close grip) - 135x20, 175x12, 225x8x3
Rack pulls - 135x12, 225x8, 315x8, 315x8, 405x6, 405x8
Nautilus Pullovers - 225x12, 265x10, 315x8, 355x6
ez-curl bar - 60x15, 80x12, 80x10, 80x10
DB hammer curls - 30x12, 40x8, 40x8, 40x8
Preacher curl - 45x15, 55x12, 55x12, 55x10

One think about my workout. I had to stop 3 times because of cramps. My peck cramped on my second to last set of dead lifts. My abs cramped during pull overs. And the arch of my left foot cramped when doing Preacher Curls. I normally drink 2-3 32oz bott of water every night, I will need to insure I'm getting plenty of water. I will let you know if the cramps continue. And like to here your experiences or suggestions.

What I've been eating?
Yesterday post workout had my 50g shake w/water
1 hour later 1/2 cup low fat cottage cheese and 1/3 cup raw almonds

tonight when I got up I did 20min on the treadmill, then ate
8oz grilled chicken and 1/2 cup brown rice
going to have a shake in about 30min, no workout in the am, but legs are Friday am

Thanks for all the support!
Gotta love the muscle cramps LOL! Cramps are common when using nutrient partritioners, up your water intake.

[Rattbones]

Thanks Mike!
I'm with you, I like going heavy, but I do my movements in the traditional HIT format 2sec contractions 4sec release, getting a good squeeze at the top. If I'm not feeling an exorcise I will sometimes drop it and do something else. So I go off feel alot! With that said I often find I cheat to much when I go heavy on bi's, and I don't normally feel them in my bi's much. I still add in heavy straight bar curls, but I've never seen the benefit from going heavy on bi's.

[needtogetaas]

Ok needto will have to explain why post workout, i didnt design it for that.

Seriously bro you dont take it with food you take it 30 mins before, otherwise it cant work through fat inhibition and cAMP suppression, it needs an empty stomach to create the right enviroment.
Im telling you how it works bro because i want you to get the best from it, i designed it so it should always be taken before food, NEVER with.
Just do it his way bro. I was doing it for other reasons but no matter. Star is the product creator so Take it his way, its only been a day or two anyway so its a easy switch

[russianstar]

Just do it his way bro. I was doing it for other reasons but no matter. Star is the product creator so Take it his way, its only been a day or two anyway so its a easy switch

Sorry bro i understand the post workout was 30 mins before pwo meal, yeah like needto suggested thats great, and an awesome idea.

As for the cramps, it to do with a major elecrtolyte inbalance caused by the product, are you taking a multi vit, and eat plenty of bannanas, and increase your water intake and avoid coffee.

[russianstar]

Great feedback, and some good numbers, how do you feel as regards to strength and endurance, or recovery even?

[Rattbones]

Sorry bro i understand the post workout was 30 mins before pwo meal, yeah like needto suggested thats great, and an awesome idea.

As for the cramps, it to do with a major elecrtolyte inbalance caused by the product, are you taking a multi vit, and eat plenty of bannanas, and increase your water intake and avoid coffee.

will do, thanks again for the corrections.
I don't drink coffee, so that should not be a problem. I normally drink BCAA during my workout, but cut it out wail running this cycle for testing purposes. Should I add the BCAA back in or something like Gatorade? I am watching my calories so I will need to account of it.

[Rattbones]

Great feedback, and some good numbers, how do you feel as regards to strength and endurance, or recovery even?

thanks for the compliment, the numbers are normal so far, but back and legs are my strong points. I'm going to continue to push everything as Mike suggested to see what strength gains we get. As for recovery, I'm older (42 for those who don't know) so sometimes I get sore for 2 days+ after a very hard workout. So far my back firm but not sore (good sign), will see how I feel when I wake up tonight.

[SBT]

Ahhh I am "younger" and still get sore sometimes 2 days later, but the slin and replenisher have definitely helped with that!

[Rattbones]

Ahhh I am "younger" and still get sore sometimes 2 days later, but the slin and replenisher have definitely helped with that!

yes, we were all younger once, and hopefully we all get older and stay health. I would normally take glutamean with my pwo shake, but I've dropped everything but protean supplements, mult-vit, fish oil, and a joint sup. I want to make sure I'm feeling the need2slin, and nothing working against it.

[Rattbones]

So I missed what would be my lunch yesterday, but I had 8 eggs (5hole 3 whites) with some spinach before I went to bed.
After about 6 hours I woke up, was extremely disoriented when I woke. This happens to me almost every week, sleeping during the day is hard. Took me about an hour to shake it. I started feeling better after I ate my first meal. I've got my leg workout today after work, so I'm getting my mind ready. Legs are hard and long workouts for me, but one thing I love is this dynabody super squat, closest thing to a real squat but much safer.


http://dynabody.com/images/commercial/225lg.jpg

[Rattbones]

Just one more note, a follow up. 2days after back, I still have some tightness, but not sore at all. I'm going to continue to go hard and see how I recover and if I have any strength gains.

[SBT]

Well I would say after a solid week or so on the slin you will notice the recovery help, I think I started noticing it around day 4-5 but the difference in pumps was almost immediate!

[needtogetaas]

Loving this log so far.

[Rattbones]

I ended up taking my N2S 45min before my pre workout meal, witch was 8oz of grilled talapa, 1/2 cup brown rice, and hot sauce.
Legs today
20min walk on the treadmill to warm up
Seated leg ext 20x150, 20x165, 18x165
Dynabody super squat 12x135, 10x315, 8x495, 8x585, 5x675 pause 1rep, pause 1rep
Vertical Leg Press 12x225, 10x315, 10x405, 10x495, 8x585
1leg hack squat 10x135, 8x225, 8x225, 6x225
Lying leg curl 10x80, 8x90, 8x90
Kneeling leg curl 12x35, 10x45, 8x55
30min on the treadmill

this is the first time I've used the vertical leg press in about 20 years, so I was cautions on the weight. I was 100% done at the end of this workout. Took my N2S post workout. Went home had some cottage cheese and raw almonds. When I woke up my legs were hardly sore, normally there very sore after a hard workout. One more thing, when I looked in the mirror tonight I noticed acne on my shoulders and chest. Tonight is my cheat night, I took my N2S 30min later I had 3 slices of pizza. Taste great after a week of sight diet. Had a shake about 30min ago so I'm back on with no problems. My Sat workout is Shoulders, abs and calves

[russianstar]

I ended up taking my N2S 45min before my pre workout meal, witch was 8oz of grilled talapa, 1/2 cup brown rice, and hot sauce.
Legs today
20min walk on the treadmill to warm up
Seated leg ext 20x150, 20x165, 18x165
Dynabody super squat 12x135, 10x315, 8x495, 8x585, 5x675 pause 1rep, pause 1rep
Vertical Leg Press 12x225, 10x315, 10x405, 10x495, 8x585
1leg hack squat 10x135, 8x225, 8x225, 6x225
Lying leg curl 10x80, 8x90, 8x90
Kneeling leg curl 12x35, 10x45, 8x55
30min on the treadmill

this is the first time I've used the vertical leg press in about 20 years, so I was cautions on the weight. I was 100% done at the end of this workout. Took my N2S post workout. Went home had some cottage cheese and raw almonds. When I woke up my legs were hardly sore, normally there very sore after a hard workout. One more thing, when I looked in the mirror tonight I noticed acne on my shoulders and chest. Tonight is my cheat night, I took my N2S 30min later I had 3 slices of pizza. Taste great after a week of sight diet. Had a shake about 30min ago so I'm back on with no problems. My Sat workout is Shoulders, abs and calves


Thanks for the great detail here buddy, really greatt log, i like how your avoiding other supps to really see what n2slin is doing.
Gatorade is a great thing to ad to avoid cramps, but do what you feel is best.

As for the recovery that will get better and better as it really gets into the system.
The acne will be because of 2 factors, androgen receptor stimulation from the l-carnatine and banaba, and the rise in testosterone caused by the very potent forskholi extract we used, shows its started to work bro.

Im really enjoying this, keep it up buddy,

R.S

[Rattbones]

Thanks for the great detail here buddy, really greatt log, i like how your avoiding other supps to really see what n2slin is doing.
Gatorade is a great thing to ad to avoid cramps, but do what you feel is best.

As for the recovery that will get better and better as it really gets into the system.
The acne will be because of 2 factors, androgen receptor stimulation from the l-carnatine and banaba, and the rise in testosterone caused by the very potent forskholi extract we used, shows its started to work bro.

I'm really enjoying this, keep it up buddy,

R.S

thanks again RS. I'm sure the cramps are from diet, forearms cramped wail loading and unloading equipment on legs yesterday but they stalled down quickly. Let me tell you one thing I really like about N2S so far, starting to see an feel the affects of the product, but it's not affecting my sleep. So may products are so loaded with stimulants they keep you buzzing late into bedtime. But so far for me, no trouble sleeping

["Rodz"]

thanks again RS. I'm sure the cramps are from diet, forearms cramped wail loading and unloading equipment on legs yesterday but they stalled down quickly. Let me tell you one thing I really like about N2S so far, starting to see an feel the affects of the product, but it's not affecting my sleep. So may products are so loaded with stimulants they keep you buzzing late into bedtime. But so far for me, no trouble sleeping

thats perfect cause thats growing time!!!!

[Rattbones]

todays workout was great
20min on the treadmill to warm up
I have several light exercises and stretches I do for my shoulders due to many past injury's.
Military press 12x135, 10x205, 8x225, 6x235, 5x245
1arm lat db raise (5x45,5x35,5x30)x3
Rev Peck Deck 12x150, 10x165, 8x185, 8x185
Front Bar Shrugs 15x225, 12x315, 10x405, 8x495, 8x495
Nautilus seated lat raise 12x150, 10x160, 10x170
Romain Chair Sit-up 30, 30, 30
30min on the treadmill post workout

I felt great during the workout. I've had problems with my left shoulder over the past 2 years and it get's real sore after a hard workout. But no soreness as of yet.

["Rodz"]

todays workout was great
20min on the treadmill to warm up
I have several light exercises and stretches I do for my shoulders due to many past injury's.
Military press 12x135, 10x205, 8x225, 6x235, 5x245
1arm lat db raise (5x45,5x35,5x30)x3
Rev Peck Deck 12x150, 10x165, 8x185, 8x185
Front Bar Shrugs 15x225, 12x315, 10x405, 8x495, 8x495
Nautilus seated lat raise 12x150, 10x160, 10x170
Romain Chair Sit-up 30, 30, 30
30min on the treadmill post workout

I felt great during the workout. I've had problems with my left shoulder over the past 2 years and it get's real sore after a hard workout. But no soreness as of yet.

What do you do for theses

[russianstar]

thanks again RS. I'm sure the cramps are from diet, forearms cramped wail loading and unloading equipment on legs yesterday but they stalled down quickly. Let me tell you one thing I really like about N2S so far, starting to see an feel the affects of the product, but it's not affecting my sleep. So may products are so loaded with stimulants they keep you buzzing late into bedtime. But so far for me, no trouble sleeping

As mike said thats growing time, we wanted to make sure that wasnt spoiled in anyway, but rather enhanced.

[Rattbones]

Monday am is my weigh-in. Today 284
down 8lb from last week

I went no carb this am and suffered.
Had my N2S 30min before my meal and ate 8 boiled eggs (5 yoks, 3 whits)

20min warm up on the treadmill
warm up and stretch my shoulders out
inc fly 25x15, 35x10, 40x10x4
Dec Bench 135x20, 225x10, 235x8x4
HS Iso Inc Bench 135x15, 225x8x4
Pech Deck 135x20, 150x12, 165x10x4
Overhead Tri Ext 150x20, 165x12, 180x10x4, 195x8
Nautalus Seated pushdown 225x10, 275x5, 255x8x4
Rev grip Pulldown 105x20, 150x12, 165x10x3
Finished up with 30min on the treadmill.

Had my post workout 2scoops of protean in water and 2 N2S
Seeing my progress on the scale was very motivating, but I have forgotten how you feel when your eating clean and drop you carbs.
None the less I'm impressed with how N2S made the most of my carbs and gave me a good pump during the workout.
BTW no cramps today, I think it was just adjusting to the diet.

[Rattbones]

What do you do for theses

I do a set of light front raises with db, and 2 different rotator cup ex I learned when rehabbing my shoulder. I normally do these in a superset 2 or 3 times

["Rodz"]

I do a set of light front raises with db, and 2 different rotator cup ex I learned when rehabbing my shoulder. I normally do these in a superset 2 or 3 times

what are these man, my cuffs are fucked from years of baseball

[Rattbones]

what are these man, my cuffs are fucked from years of baseball

You can do these standing or lying down on a bench. I do them standing

Ex 1
Start by extending your arms to you side with you elbow at shoulder hight. Bend you elbow till your hand is over your elbow at 90%. Now slowly rotate your arm, lowering your hand till it is below your elbow. Then reverse the motion, raising your hand slowly till it is above your elbow. Your elbow should remain at shoulder hight at all times. Remember to do these slowly, never jerking the weight. 10-15lb for 15-20 reps.

Ex 2
Start with your elbow tucked into your side with your hand extended in front of you. Rotate your arm so your hand moves to your stomach, then back out away from your body. Rotations should be slow and controlled same as above.

[russianstar]

You can do these standing or lying down on a bench. I do them standing

Ex 1
Start by extending your arms to you side with you elbow at shoulder hight. Bend you elbow till your hand is over your elbow at 90%. Now slowly rotate your arm, lowering your hand till it is below your elbow. Then reverse the motion, raising your hand slowly till it is above your elbow. Your elbow should remain at shoulder hight at all times. Remember to do these slowly, never jerking the weight. 10-15lb for 15-20 reps.

Ex 2
Start with your elbow tucked into your side with your hand extended in front of you. Rotate your arm so your hand moves to your stomach, then back out away from your body. Rotations should be slow and controlled same as above.

I love these exercises, thanks for posting them up, ive been using these for quite a few years to protect my rotator cuffs.
Hows things buddy?

["Rodz"]

You can do these standing or lying down on a bench. I do them standing

Ex 1
Start by extending your arms to you side with you elbow at shoulder hight. Bend you elbow till your hand is over your elbow at 90%. Now slowly rotate your arm, lowering your hand till it is below your elbow. Then reverse the motion, raising your hand slowly till it is above your elbow. Your elbow should remain at shoulder hight at all times. Remember to do these slowly, never jerking the weight. 10-15lb for 15-20 reps.

Ex 2
Start with your elbow tucked into your side with your hand extended in front of you. Rotate your arm so your hand moves to your stomach, then back out away from your body. Rotations should be slow and controlled same as above.


Fantastic man, thanks for the info, im gonna incorporate those in

[needtogetaas]

todays workout was great
20min on the treadmill to warm up
I have several light exercises and stretches I do for my shoulders due to many past injury's.
Military press 12x135, 10x205, 8x225, 6x235, 5x245
1arm lat db raise (5x45,5x35,5x30)x3
Rev Peck Deck 12x150, 10x165, 8x185, 8x185
Front Bar Shrugs 15x225, 12x315, 10x405, 8x495, 8x495
Nautilus seated lat raise 12x150, 10x160, 10x170
Romain Chair Sit-up 30, 30, 30
30min on the treadmill post workout

I felt great during the workout. I've had problems with my left shoulder over the past 2 years and it get's real sore after a hard workout. But no soreness as of yet.
Ya sore joints can always kill motivation and work outs. Hit up some skelletal-balm for this it may help. Keep killing it bro.

[Rattbones]

Wed is my back/bis workout

Started with 20min on the treadmill

Nat grip Pull-down - 165x10, 180x8, 180x8, 180x8, 180x8
T-Bar Row (close grip) - 175x12, 225x8, 225x8, 250x6, 250x6
Rack pulls - 135x12, 225x8, 315x8, 405x6, 495x3, 405x6
Nautilus Pullovers - 135x20, 180x15, 225x12, 225x12, 225x12
standing db curls - 30x15, 35x12, 40x10, 40x10, 40x10
Preacher hammer curl - 65x6, 55x10, 55x10, 55x8 pause 2, pause 1
High 1arm Cable curls - 30x10, 35x10, 35x8, 35x8
Rev Grip ez bar curls - 60x12, 70x10, 70x10, 70x10

30min post workout on the treadmill

I've been trying to keep my sets heavy wail doing 3-4 working sets. I would normally keep my reps between 8-12 doing 3-4 working sets. I think I backed off it alittle last week when I started adding more weight. I would not call this an explosive increase in strength, but adding a set at is an increase. Also, no soreness today in my back, and I am starting to see an increase in my vascularity in my arms and chest.

[SBT]

I always try and include those two shoulder exercises, as well as a few others that i've learned to help warm-up my shoulders before hitting them hard!!

i also think that the skeletal balm could help ya!

[Conrad]

I am starting to see an increase in my vascularity in my arms and chest.
That's great to hear!

[Rattbones]

Today was my off day. Still got up and hit the traidmill for 30min
took my N2S and ate my oats and whey 30min later
after I get off work it's leg day, I'm already thinking about the workout. It's full squats this week, thinking about doing 10x10 on the leg press after.

[russianstar]

Today was my off day. Still got up and hit the traidmill for 30min
took my N2S and ate my oats and whey 30min later
after I get off work it's leg day, I'm already thinking about the workout. It's full squats this week, thinking about doing 10x10 on the leg press after.

Do you ever do 100 reppers?

Best of luck with the workout bro.

[Conrad]

Do you ever do 100 reppers?

Best of luck with the workout bro.
100 R? Damn a typical widowmaker does it for me! Lol

[Rattbones]

I had hopped to have a killer leg workout today and brag about it, but it didn't happen to my disappointment. On my 4th set of squats on the 4th rep my knee had a sharp pain. I stopped immediately and took a break for 5min. I knee was sore for the rest of the workout so I kept the sets and reps light.

Warm up 10min bike
Leg extensions 20x150, 20x150, 20x165 (my legs felt tight after the warm up)
Stretched for 10min
Squats 15x135, 12x225, 10x315, 4x405, 8x315, 8x315
Leg Press 15x5plates each side, 12x7, 10x10, 10x10, 10x10, 10x10
Hack squats 12x135, 10x225, 10x225, 6x315
Romanian Deadlift 15x135, 10x225, 10x225, 8x225
Seated Leg Curls 15x225, 12x150, 8x280, 8x280

[Rattbones]

Do you ever do 100 reppers?

Best of luck with the workout bro.

I will do 10set x 10 reps, but not just knockout 100 reps without rest. I still like to keep the weight heavy, so doing 10x10=100 reps, but I can still stay heavy.

As I have mentioned before, I believe in achieving the perfect rep every time as described in HIT. I also believe in time under tension, keeping the tension on the muscle, not overextending, and even with heavy weight maintaining your total number or reps.

[SBT]

I had hopped to have a killer leg workout today and brag about it, but it didn't happen to my disappointment. On my 4th set of squats on the 4th rep my knee had a sharp pain. I stopped immediately and took a break for 5min. I knee was sore for the rest of the workout so I kept the sets and reps light.

Warm up 10min bike
Leg extensions 20x150, 20x150, 20x165 (my legs felt tight after the warm up)
Stretched for 10min
Squats 15x135, 12x225, 10x315, 4x405, 8x315, 8x315
Leg Press 15x5plates each side, 12x7, 10x10, 10x10, 10x10, 10x10
Hack squats 12x135, 10x225, 10x225, 6x315
Romanian Deadlift 15x135, 10x225, 10x225, 8x225
Seated Leg Curls 15x225, 12x150, 8x280, 8x280

sorry to hear about your sharp knee pain, hope its cleared up for ya!!

but that looks like a solid workout to me!

[Rattbones]

sorry to hear about your sharp knee pain, hope its cleared up for ya!!

but that looks like a solid workout to me!

Thanks SBT, Pain is part of the game. I didn't train Sat to give my body a break, but I did walk on the treadmill for 30min. I'll be back in the gym Monday. My knee is not sore, so that's good. I do have some tightness in my legs so I did manage an ok workout. Also going to change up my routine this week, since my recovery has been on the upswing (thanks n2s), I may work in 1 body part 2x week. Going to think it over today, but let me know what you all think.

[Conrad]

Rat,
I am one my first week of the Need2Slin and I have been sleeping VERY hard but finding myself tired throughout the say and my appetite is decreasing. Did you go through any sides?

[Rattbones]

Rat,
I am one my first week of the Need2Slin and I have been sleeping VERY hard but finding myself tired throughout the say and my appetite is decreasing. Did you go through any sides?

Only sides I have seen, if can call it a side affect. I have had some acne showing up. I work nights so I'm always tired on some level, I have leared to ignore it.

[russianstar]

Nice bro, i do 100 reppers on the bench and squat to finish off muscles not every time but a few times a month, i always notice better recovery when i do and obviously big pumps.
I respond better to 100 controled triceps push downs or skull crushers than i do to drop sets or other high intensity exercises, but i like your methods bro, enjoying reading along, regards R.S

["Rodz"]

Nice Rat, leg w/o looked good, some nice weight, my ankle is feelin good enough to bring leg day back this week!!

Keep killin it

[SBT]

Nice bro, i do 100 reppers on the bench and squat to finish off muscles not every time but a few times a month, i always notice better recovery when i do and obviously big pumps.
I respond better to 100 controled triceps push downs or skull crushers than i do to drop sets or other high intensity exercises, but i like your methods bro, enjoying reading along, regards R.S

Hmmm I may throw these 100 reppers in here or there just for the fun of it!! :p

Hope you knee is feeling all better after the rest!

[Rattbones]

I did weight in Monday 281lbs
that's 3lbs down.

So right now the goal is to reach 240lbs in the next 10 weeks.
So what is Need2Slin doing for me to help me reach this goal. N2S is helping to hold my muscle. Using my Omron Body Composition Monitor I'm showing a 2% loss in body fat and .5% increase in skeletal muscle. Now I know these type of monitors are not 100% accurate, but the real test will come in the end. For this end I would like to ask if Need 2 Build Muscle would like to continue this through the end of the 12 weeks and keep me on Need2Slin?

I've cut 200 cal out of my meals starting today to keep my progression. I am going to change my workouts as I mentioned before. I'm going to use a 3day plan on a 4day rotation. Meaning I will do 1 of the 3day workouts twice a week in a rotation. I will have to limit my exercises to 3 or 4 per body part, however when doing sets in rep range of 6-8 I will do 4-5 working sets. And when repeating a workout in the same will I will do lighter, higher reps 12-15.

Workout 1
Chest
Shoulders
Tris

Workout 2
Back
Bis
Abs
Calves

Workout 3
Quads
Hamstrings

So if I started with workout 1 on Monday, I would repeat workout 1 on Saturday. Then the following Monday I would start with workout 2 ect, ect,,
Again I am doing this to hit 1 group of body parts 2x week since I am feeling an increase in my recovery time wail using N2S.

Let me know your questions, comments and concerns.

[Rattbones]

Hmmm I may throw these 100 reppers in here or there just for the fun of it!! :p

Hope you knee is feeling all better after the rest!

thanks SBT, knee is feeling better


the 100reps is no joke, pick the right weight and be ready for it

[russianstar]

I did weight in Monday 281lbs
that's 3lbs down.

So right now the goal is to reach 240lbs in the next 10 weeks.
So what is Need2Slin doing for me to help me reach this goal. N2S is helping to hold my muscle. Using my Omron Body Composition Monitor I'm showing a 2% loss in body fat and .5% increase in skeletal muscle. Now I know these type of monitors are not 100% accurate, but the real test will come in the end. For this end I would like to ask if Need 2 Build Muscle would like to continue this through the end of the 12 weeks and keep me on Need2Slin?

I've cut 200 cal out of my meals starting today to keep my progression. I am going to change my workouts as I mentioned before. I'm going to use a 3day plan on a 4day rotation. Meaning I will do 1 of the 3day workouts twice a week in a rotation. I will have to limit my exercises to 3 or 4 per body part, however when doing sets in rep range of 6-8 I will do 4-5 working sets. And when repeating a workout in the same will I will do lighter, higher reps 12-15.

Workout 1
Chest
Shoulders
Tris

Workout 2
Back
Bis
Abs
Calves

Workout 3
Quads
Hamstrings

So if I started with workout 1 on Monday, I would repeat workout 1 on Saturday. Then the following Monday I would start with workout 2 ect, ect,,
Again I am doing this to hit 1 group of body parts 2x week since I am feeling an increase in my recovery time wail using N2S.

Let me know your questions, comments and concerns.

Im sure we can sort something out, those arent accurate but still the changes its showing are positive and im sure after 12 weeks we would see real differences.

True about those 100 reppers, they are not FUN lol.
Great log bro.

["Rodz"]

Good planning man!!!

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail!!!!!

[Rattbones]

Todays workout
15min on the treadmill warmup
5min stretching and warming up my shoulders

DB inc press
40x15, 60x12, 80x6, 80x6, 80x6, 80x5
HS iso wide chest
225x10, 315x6, 315x6, 315x6, 315x6
Cable Crossover
30x20, 40x15, 50x10, 60x9
Cybx shoulder press
115x12, 135x8, 135x8, 135x8, 135x6
Machine Standing Lat Raise
90x15, 105x10, 120x9, 120x8, 120x8, 120x8
db bent over lat raise
35x12, 40x10, 40x10, 40x9, 40x10
Overhead cable ext
105x12, 120x10, 120x10, 125x8, 125x8
Nautilus seated push-downs
225x10, 225x9, 225x10, 225x10
rev grip pushdown
105x20, 115x12, 120x10, 125x8, 125x8

20min on the elliptical post workout

Had a very good pump during my workout today. Decent energy throughout the workout dispute how long it was. Had some shoulder pain during the Cybex shoulder press. Seems the machine keeps my hand almost straight over my shoulder, I think that angel is to strict. Also I wish some of these machines would start at the top of the movement rather then the bottom. When I do shoulder presses I just break horizontal with my elbows when I start to press back up. Letting my elbows drop below my shoulder seems to cause a great deal of stress on the shoulder joint for me. None the less got it done, and feeling good tonight.

[needtogetaas]

Todays workout
15min on the treadmill warmup
5min stretching and warming up my shoulders

DB inc press
40x15, 60x12, 80x6, 80x6, 80x6, 80x5
HS iso wide chest
225x10, 315x6, 315x6, 315x6, 315x6
Cable Crossover
30x20, 40x15, 50x10, 60x9
Cybx shoulder press
115x12, 135x8, 135x8, 135x8, 135x6
Machine Standing Lat Raise
90x15, 105x10, 120x9, 120x8, 120x8, 120x8
db bent over lat raise
35x12, 40x10, 40x10, 40x9, 40x10
Overhead cable ext
105x12, 120x10, 120x10, 125x8, 125x8
Nautilus seated push-downs
225x10, 225x9, 225x10, 225x10
rev grip pushdown
105x20, 115x12, 120x10, 125x8, 125x8

20min on the elliptical post workout

Had a very good pump during my workout today. Decent energy throughout the workout dispute how long it was. Had some shoulder pain during the Cybex shoulder press. Seems the machine keeps my hand almost straight over my shoulder, I think that angel is to strict. Also I wish some of these machines would start at the top of the movement rather then the bottom. When I do shoulder presses I just break horizontal with my elbows when I start to press back up. Letting my elbows drop below my shoulder seems to cause a great deal of stress on the shoulder joint for me. None the less got it done, and feeling good tonight.
same here bro. I hate that shit. MP is the only compound lift I use a smith for and this is only because there has never been any other set up in my gym to do it another way. So i just got used to it.

[needtogetaas]

Only sides I have seen, if can call it a side affect. I have had some acne showing up. I work nights so I'm always tired on some level, I have leared to ignore it.
one could only assume this is from increased sweating IMO.

[russianstar]

How are things buddy?

[Rattbones]

Had to take a few days off. Sick kids at home, so I took the weekend off to play dad. I did hit the scale today and I'm at 279. Another 3lb drop witch means despite missing 2 days I was able to keep from cheating and did my cardio at home.
Back in the gym today, hit the N2S when I got up, eat the standard oats and protean.

20min treadmill warmup
Nautilus Xpload Pulldown 225x15, 315x10, 365x8, 365x8, 365x8, 365x8
Bent over row 135x12, 225x10, 275x8, 275x6, 275x7, 275x7
Magnum Lat Row 215x10, 260x8, 260x8, 260x8, 260x8
Flex Leverage Lat Pulldown 135x12, 180x8, 180x8, 180x7, 180x7
Standing alt Db curls 30x15, 40x10, 40x10, 45x6, 45x6
Atlantis Bi Isolator 90x12, 105x8, 105x8, 105x8
Nautilus High Bi Curl 30x10, 30x10, 35x8, 35x8
Standing Machine shrugs 225x15, 315x10, 405x10, 495x7, 495x8, 405x10
Seted Calf Raise 135x13, 135x14, 135x12, 135x13
30min treadmill

Got to use a few of my favorite peaces of equipment today Magnum Lat Row & Flex Leverage Lat Pulldown. Worked very hard today, I was drenched in sweat by the end of my workout.

[Rattbones]

Word has it that Need2Slin is selling out!!!!

No kidding, If you have been thinking about triing Need2Slin, put your order in soon!

The benefits Of need2slin
Increased LBM!
Rock hard, long lasting PUMPS!
Lower bodyfat!
Increased glycogen uptake!
Increased metabolism!
Improved thyroid function!
Increased Androgen receptor sensitivity!
Improved blood lipids
Increased vascularity

No hype and no bullshit here, I don't get paid for this, Need2Slin Works!

[fatbackgoal]

Word has it that Need2Slin is selling out!!!!

No kidding, If you have been thinking about triing Need2Slin, put your order in soon!

The benefits Of need2slin
Increased LBM!
Rock hard, long lasting PUMPS!
Lower bodyfat!
Increased glycogen uptake!
Increased metabolism!
Improved thyroid function!
Increased Androgen receptor sensitivity!
Improved blood lipids
Increased vascularity

No hype and no bullshit here, I don't get paid for this, Need2Slin Works!


It did sell out, I am waiting for it to come back in stock then jumping all over it.

[Rattbones]

It did sell out, I am waiting for it to come back in stock then jumping all over it.

Is this you first time using N2S, what are you goals?

[fatbackgoal]

Is this you first time using N2S, what are you goals?

Yes it is my first time. I am looking to compete later in the year. Right now sitting at 6'5" 310 natty with a lot of fat to drop.

[Conrad]

Word has it that Need2Slin is selling out!!!!

No kidding, If you have been thinking about triing Need2Slin, put your order in soon!

The benefits Of need2slin
Increased LBM!
Rock hard, long lasting PUMPS!
Lower bodyfat!
Increased glycogen uptake!
Increased metabolism!
Improved thyroid function!
Increased Androgen receptor sensitivity!
Improved blood lipids
Increased vascularity

No hype and no bullshit here, I don't get paid for this, Need2Slin Works!
COuld be some guys from the gym here that have ordered also. They have noticed my vascularity while I am still gaining lots of mass.

[Rattbones]

Wanted to post an update, took a few days off from work but not from the gym.
Legs on Wed
15 traidmill
streching 10min
leg extentions 120x20, 150x15, 160x12, 170x10, 180x8
squats 135x15, 225x10, 315x8, 405x6, 315x8, 315x8
leg press 10platesx15, 16x10, 20x10, 20x10, 20x9, 20x10
Romanian Deadlift 135x12, 225x10, 225x10, 225x10, 225x10
1leg Iso curl 35x15, 45x12, 55x10, 55x8, 55x9
Setted leg curls 175x12, 190x8, 190x9, 190x9
30min traidmill

Had such a pump in my legs after doing ext I sreched out a second time to make sure I was good to squat.

[Rattbones]

Back workout Saterday, it was my second back/bi workout of the week making it my slow/high rep workout.

Nautalis pulldown 135x25, 225x18, 225x15, 225x14
1 Arm DB row 65x20, 80x14, 80x15, 80x15
Seated row 155x25, 170x18, 170x16, 170x16
Standing alt db curls 20x20, 25x15, 25x15, 25x16
db hammer curls 30x21, 35x17, 35x16, 35x15
Consintration curls 15x30, 20x25, 25x15, 25x16

[Conrad]

Some nice numbers Rat!

[Jason Newman]

you can never bee too pumped! but stretching is key way to think it though rat!

[SBT]

nice workouts!! keep on killing it!!

[Rattbones]

Thanks for the support everyone!
I total shit-canned the diet this weekend and felt real good on my workout Monday.
15min warmup on the treadmill
Leg ext 150x18, 160x12, 170x10, 180x10, 190x8
Squats 135x15, 225x10, 315x10, 405x6, 405x8, 495x5, 405x8
Vert Leg Press 225x15, 315x12, 405x12, 405x12, 405x12
Seated leg curls 180x15, 190x12, 200x10, 210x8, 210x8, 210x8
1leg curls 35x20, 45x15, 55x12, 65x8, 65x8, 65x8
30min treadmill
I shortened my workout abit since I decided to go heavy on squats. So far the best thing I'm finding about N2S is the increase in recovery. I'm able to go heavy on my legs and still able to walk the next day. I've got chest/shoulders/tri in the am. Last few chest workouts have not been my best, so I'm hoping to kill it.

[Conrad]

Killer workouts man! Sometimes its good to come off the diet and have a "refeed". lol

[Rattbones]

Killer workouts man! Sometimes its good to come off the diet and have a "refeed". lol

true, but I'm off track, and getting back on the horse is hard.

[fatbackgoal]

After a leg workout like that how could you even think about getting on the treadmill.

[Rattbones]

After a leg workout like that how could you even think about getting on the treadmill.

No joke. But I always feel better after after I get my hart rate up for a few. I know there are alot of times I get a hard workout in and want to say fuck it. But part of this is ignoreing what the little man inside you says. Like George Costanza said "my little man is an idiot."

["Rodz"]

After a leg workout like that how could you even think about getting on the treadmill.


although it sucks right away, i find it helps with recovery time for the legs

[SBT]

although it sucks right away, i find it helps with recovery time for the legs

i have also found that a little light cardio right after legs help aid in recovery!!! :yep:

[Rattbones]

So I had 2 workouts that I need to update

Satterday Legs light slow day
Squats 135x25, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10
Lying leg curls 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10, 90x10
45min on the traidmill

Tuesday Chest, Shoulders, tri
15min traidmill
Decline Bench barx50, 135x20, 215x8, 245x6, 245x6, 245x6, 245x6
Smith Mil Press 135x20, 185x12, 215x8, 215x7, 215x8, 215x8
Flex upright bench 180x12, 180x10, 180x10
front DB raise 20x12, 30x10, 35x8, 35x8, 35x8
Bent over lat raise 30x12, 35x10, 35x9, 35x9, 35x9
low cable crossover 30x15, 35x12, 35x12, 35x12
lat raise 75x12, 85x10, 85x10, 85x10
overhaed tri ext 90x15, 105x10x 105x10, 105x8
seated nautalus pushdown 135x20, 180x15, 215x8, 215x10, 215x10
1arm rev grip pushdown 30x15, 35x12, 35x10, 35x9
30min traidmill

Scale told me I was at 277 today, I had a cold last week so my diet was up and down, but not bad still

["Rodz"]

Hey Bro

Nice workouts!!!

Hows the diet ?

[Rattbones]

diet is holding, but like a said I was sick last week so I was off it for a few days.

[Conrad]

Well keep you head up and get back on track. Glad to see your feeling better.

[Rattbones]

Well keep you head up and get back on track. Glad to see your feeling better.

thanks Grip, I have 4 kids so illness is always walking in the door, live go's on. I know alot of people train when there sick, but don't see the point. I need my energy to heal my illness, not reover from a workout. Family and work have got to come first.

[Rattbones]

So I did get in and do back/bi and calves today

15min treadmill
rev grip pulldown 120x20, 135x15, 150x10, 160x9, 165x8, 165x8, 165x8
bent over row barx40, 135x12, 225x10, 275x8, 275x8, 275x8
rack pulls 225x10, 315x10, 405x6, 405x7, 405x7
pull overs 135x15, 180x12, 180x10, 180x10
straight bar curls 50x15, 60x12, 70x10, 70x10, 70x9
db hammer curls 30x15, 35x12, 40x10, 45x8
preacher curls 45x12, 50x8, 50x9, 50x8
30min treadmill
took my last 2 N2S with my shake right after my workout.

I should have more N2S on the way so I will continue to keep up this log.

Thinking about doing a 1 week cleans to get my body ready for the next run, let me know what you think.

[Conrad]

So I did get in and do back/bi and calves today

15min treadmill
rev grip pulldown 120x20, 135x15, 150x10, 160x9, 165x8, 165x8, 165x8
bent over row barx40, 135x12, 225x10, 275x8, 275x8, 275x8
rack pulls 225x10, 315x10, 405x6, 405x7, 405x7
pull overs 135x15, 180x12, 180x10, 180x10
straight bar curls 50x15, 60x12, 70x10, 70x10, 70x9
db hammer curls 30x15, 35x12, 40x10, 45x8
preacher curls 45x12, 50x8, 50x9, 50x8
30min treadmill
took my last 2 N2S with my shake right after my workout.

I should have more N2S on the way so I will continue to keep up this log.

Thinking about doing a 1 week cleans to get my body ready for the next run, let me know what you think.
I have decided to give my body a cleanse also. I think its best whether any products recommend or not. Although it sucks, its worth it.

[needtogetaas]

I like the Idea of letting things clear out also.

[SBT]

Just so many different "cleanse" products out there nowadays its tough to know which ones work and which don't... I guess like any supplement though.

[Rattbones]

I'm going with salt water and apples for the Cleanse SBT. Some of the otc cleanse products upset my stomach, or there not strong.

[Rattbones]

I've got 2 workouts I need to update Legs on Friday and Chest/Shoulders slow workout Sat.

Legs
15 min treadmill
Seated Extensions 90x20, 115x18, 115x18
Squats barx20, 135x15, 225x10, 315x10, 405x6, 405x8, 405x7
Leg Press 10(plates)x18, 16x12, 20x10, 24x8, 24x8
Hack Squats 135x12, 225x10, 315x10
Lying Leg Curls 80x12, 90x10, 100x10, 100x9, 100x10
Single leg curls 45x12, 55x10, 65x10
StepMill 20min
Bike 20min

["Rodz"]

I've got 2 workouts I need to update Legs on Friday and Chest/Shoulders slow workout Sat.

Legs
15 min treadmill
Seated Extensions 90x20, 115x18, 115x18
Squats barx20, 135x15, 225x10, 315x10, 405x6, 405x8, 405x7
Leg Press 10(plates)x18, 16x12, 20x10, 24x8, 24x8
Hack Squats 135x12, 225x10, 315x10
Lying Leg Curls 80x12, 90x10, 100x10, 100x9, 100x10
Single leg curls 45x12, 55x10, 65x10
StepMill 20min
Bike 20min

Great work man!!!
Very smart with your warm up and cool down

[Rattbones]

Sat was my second chest/shoulder workout of the week so I'm doing light and slow

treadmill 20min
Decline bench-press barx20, 135x12, 185x10, 185x10, 185x10, 185x10, 185x8, 185x9, 185x8, 185x9, 185x10
Seated Lat Raise 20x15, 25x10, 25x10, 25x10, 25x10, 25x10, 25x10, 25x8, 25x9, 25x9, 25x8
Inc Fly 25x15, 35x10, 35x10, 40x9
Bent over lat Raise 30x12, 35x10, 35x10, 35x9

I had planed on doing smith presses for shoulders, but my front delts were burnt out after dec press, so I went with a lat raise. My side delts need it anyway, I'm never liked the way they look. I also must have taken about a 10min break after the lat raises, they were very hard to get through. Starting my cleans in the am, wish me luck

[Rattbones]

Great work man!!!
Very smart with your warm up and cool down
thanks man,
tell you what, I think hack squats are the hardest exercises to do at the end of a workout. How about you?

["Rodz"]

thanks man,
tell you what, I think hack squats are the hardest exercises to do at the end of a workout. How about you?

LOL, they can be tough, ive been stuck a few times on them , I'll be returning to leg training now that my ankles are healed up, but im gonna do those early in my work out, too draining for me at the end

[Rattbones]

So, I'm doing my cleanse this week. 1 qt of salt water when I wake, apples all day. I've had nothing else to eat since Easter dinner. I'm not training this week but I did do cardio today for 30min. I am starting to feel weak, but I'm sticking with it till Friday.

[Andrew732]

That sucks, cleansing aint fun LOL!

["Rodz"]

Hoes ur cleanse going, how are you feeling

[Rattbones]

applesauce, lol

[Rattbones]

I I broke my cleans yesterday, and after my first meal I was high as a kite. I'm back on the diet today with boiled eggs and oats for breakfast. Ready to get back in the gym!!!

["Rodz"]

MMMM food!!!! lol, glad ur back at it man, Give it hell!!!

[Rattbones]

thanks Mike!

Got back in the gym Sat night and did back/bi
I had watched a few Dorian Videos and went with a very Dorian like workout

15min Treadmill
Nautilus Pullovers 135x20, 205x12,205x12, 230x10
Close rev grip pulldown 120x15, 135x12, 150x10, 150x10, 150x10
Seated Row 185x12, 200x10, 200x10, 200x10
Tbar row 135x20, 225x12, 315x10, 315x10
HS pulldown 100x15, 120x12, 120x12, 120x12

rev grip cable curls 75x20, 90x15, 90x15
close grip cable curls 90x20, 105x15, 105x12
Natala's high iso curl 35x12, 35x12, 35x10
treadmill 30min

[Rattbones]

Something I did not add here was wail doing my cleans I went to see my chiropractor last week. He did some acupuncture on my left shoulder, and a laser treatment. Has anyone ever had this done?? After I described the trouble I've been having with my shoulder he said there may be two issue going on inside my shoulder he could work on.

The first is that the nerves may have been damaged due to past injury's, and may partly shut down when under high stress. He said that the acupuncture can help them to start firring normally again.

Second is the possibility of built up scare tissue in the shoulder socket. He has a laser he uses to help break down the scare tissue in the shoulder. The laser was much smaller then I had expected, and as he used it my shoulder got warm, that was about it.

The two days that followed the two affirmation treatments my shoulder was sore. Odd because normally after a adjustment I feel better. My next workout is chest so I'm eager to see if it is mostly pain free.

[Conrad]

That's a shit load of volume! Take it easy bro and sometimes to is best to train smart, not hard.

[Rattbones]

I would say it's more moderate volume. 8-12 reps for 4-5 sets on 3-5 exercises per body part. I agree you need to train smart, ego down for some things. But there's no substitute for hard work, and I believe that for everything in life.

["Rodz"]

That's a shit load of volume! Take it easy bro and sometimes to is best to train smart, not hard.


I would say it's more moderate volume. 8-12 reps for 4-5 sets on 3-5 exercises per body part. I agree you need to train smart, ego down for some things. But there's no substitute for hard work, and I believe that for everything in life.


Great point guys, Be smart and work hard, take care of that shoulder bro!!!!!!

[Rattbones]

Only had time for a quick workout today. Had to film someone I want to tell you all about. First here's the workout I got in.
15min treadmill
HS iso Inc Bench 135x20, 225x15, 315x8, 315x8, 315x7
Inc Fly 30x20, 40x12, 40x12, 40x12
Flex Upright Bench 135x15, 170x12, 205x10, 230x9
HS Iso Wide Bench 225x12, 315x6, 275x9, 275x10
Shoulder was warm/sore at the end of the workout, but not painful

So, the guy I started shooting today puts up some good numbers. He got a 500+lb flat bench, inc bench, military press and 700+lb squat. If you train at a hardcore gym you may have a few guys that put up these numbers. Here's the kicker, he is legally blind! He trainer has to assist him on every set, let's him know where to hold the bar, when to push and when to stop. He has only been training for about a year and he's strong as an ox. Despite his disability he trainer cut's him no slack, pushes him as hard as anyone else. The hole thing touches me in a very deep place, and I'm not a person who is easily moved. If I get his permission I will put his video up here once I'm done with it.

["Rodz"]

Only had time for a quick workout today. Had to film someone I want to tell you all about. First here's the workout I got in.
15min treadmill
HS iso Inc Bench 135x20, 225x15, 315x8, 315x8, 315x7
Inc Fly 30x20, 40x12, 40x12, 40x12
Flex Upright Bench 135x15, 170x12, 205x10, 230x9
HS Iso Wide Bench 225x12, 315x6, 275x9, 275x10
Shoulder was warm/sore at the end of the workout, but not painful

So, the guy I started shooting today puts up some good numbers. He got a 500+lb flat bench, inc bench, military press and 700+lb squat. If you train at a hardcore gym you may have a few guys that put up these numbers. Here's the kicker, he is legally blind! He trainer has to assist him on every set, let's him know where to hold the bar, when to push and when to stop. He has only been training for about a year and he's strong as an ox. Despite his disability he trainer cut's him no slack, pushes him as hard as anyone else. The hole thing touches me in a very deep place, and I'm not a person who is easily moved. If I get his permission I will put his video up here once I'm done with it.

Good workout man, how the supps goin?

that vid would be pretty inspirational to see

[Rattbones]

I'm not taking anything right now, other then protein, N2S is in the mail. I can tell my motablisum has kicked up since I did the clense so I'm eager to see the results once I start back on N2S and add in there fat burner Forged Burner.

[Conrad]

Thats going to be killer Rat.

[SBT]

I'm not taking anything right now, other then protein, N2S is in the mail. I can tell my motablisum has kicked up since I did the clense so I'm eager to see the results once I start back on N2S and add in there fat burner Forged Burner.

what "cleanse" did you end up doing? if you don't mind me asking...

if you listed it already i might have missed it.

[SBT]

I'm going with salt water and apples for the Cleanse SBT. Some of the otc cleanse products upset my stomach, or there not strong.

oh never mind.... i just saw this post.

I've never heard of anything like that, sounds interesting though!

[Rattbones]

I got my N2S the other day and got a workout in sat, and another today. Here is what I did.

sat Back
Hit the N2S 30min before my pre-workout meal. Eat 1cup brown rice, 7oz chicken, cup of broccoli. Off to the gym

15min treadmill.
Nautilus Pullovers 135x30, 205x15, 230x12, 255x9, 255x10, 255x10
Close Rev Grip Pulldown 135x12, 150x10, 165x9, 165x9
Tbar Row 135x15, 180x12, 225x10, 225x10, 225x10
1arm DB row 100x20, 115x15, 130x10, 150x8, 150x8, 150x8

I had to skip the treadmill at the end, needed to get home. Unfortunately I got cornered at the gym by another member who wanted to talk about politics. For anyone who wants to know my political views here it is in one sentience. String all the bastards up.

[Rattbones]

oh never mind.... i just saw this post.

I've never heard of anything like that, sounds interesting though!

it's easy, add 2 tsp sea sail to 1lt water and drink on waking. Wait 1 hours and everything should come back out. Eat only apples during the day. Apples are high in fiber and provide an adequate amount of carbs to keep you going. I also took a multi-vitamin and fish oil, and drank tons of water. That's it!

[Rattbones]

Monday I went back to shoulders, first shoulder workout in a few weeks.
downed my 2 N2S 30min before I eat a protean bar on my way to the gym.

15min treadmill
Rev Cable Fly 30x20, 30x20, 35x15, 40x12, 40x12
Seated db lat raise 25x15, 30x12, 30x12, 35x8 (all done palms back)
1arm cable lat rise 30x15, 35x10, 35x10, 40x8
Smith Military Press 135x15, 185x10, 225x7, 225x8, 225x12drop135x13
got a strange burst of adrenaline during that last set so I used it to get all I could.
3x30 sit-ups on the roman chair
45min treadmill

[Conrad]

Yea buddy! Putting up some good number Ratt.

[Rattbones]

Yea buddy! Putting up some good number Ratt.
Thanks man, always been week in the chest and shoulders so it's nice to have a good workout every so often. One of the thing I relay like about Need2Slin, I seem to hold my straight very well even when cutting.

[Rattbones]

Legs today, work last night was shitty so I ready to kill it.
2 need2slin 30min before my preworkout meal.

15min treadmill warm up

leg ext 90x25, 115x20, 115x20, 115x20
squats 135x15, 225x10, 315x10, 405x6, 405x5, 405x7, 405x8
Hrz leg press 225x15, 315x12, 405x10, 495x10, 495x10, 495x10
Barbell Lunge 135x18, 135x16, 135x16
Romanian dead-lift 135x15, 225x10, 225x8, 225x8
lying leg curls 90x15, 100x12, 115x8, 115x9, 115x8
Single leg Iso curls 45x15, 65x10, 65x8, 65x9
30min treadmil
N2S with my post workout shake

Legs' are a killer, takes 2.5 hour including the 45min on the treadmill. But they feel fucking great now.

On the flip side I ordered the forged burner and am planning on adding that in soon. I'm also looking at making some changes to my diet again. I sat down with Dylan Armbrest (http://www.armbrustprogym.com/owners.htm) today to make a 6week diet plan. As some of you may know Dylan is a Pro trainer (Heather Armbrust, Camala Rodriguez, Taylor Waldrop to name a few) and personal friend. The first month and a half I have dropped over 20lbs, it gets harder the lower I go so I'm calling in the big guns. N2BM with Need2Slin and Forged Burner!

[Rattbones]

I'm walking the line till I get the new diet, got my Forged Burner in the mail today and just took 2 of them. I'll let you know what I think of them once they kick in. But till then

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[Rattbones]

workout yesterday was good, went more for higher intensity, mid reps, mid weight

15min treadmill
Inc db fly 30x25, 35x20, 35x18, 35x20
HS iso inc bench 135x20, 225x12, 275x10, 275x10
hs iso wide bench 225x20, 315x10, 315x10, 315x10
Peck dech 135x35, 150x25, 165x18, 180x12
Overhead tri ext 90x20, 105x12, 115x9, 115x10
seated pushdown 135x30, 180x12, 225x8, 225x6-drop180x6-drop135x10
rev grip pushdown 90x15, 105x10, 105x10
rope pushdown 135x20, 150x12, 165x9, 165x10, 165x8
30min treadmill

Had a very good pump during this workout, squeezed on every rep and could relay feel the muscle.

I like the Forged Burner, have some energy for it, and feel warm. Better then many of the others I have tried

[Rattbones]

Monday I did Shoulders, second week pain free thank god. I did weight myself monday and came in at 270.8.
Had my N2S 30min before my pre workout meal.
15min on the treadmill
Rev Cable Fly 30x20, 45x15, 45x15, 50x10, 50x10
Seated DB lat rise 25x15, 30x10, 30x12, 35x8
Cable side lat raise 30x15, 40x12, 45x10, 45x10
Shoulder Press 115x20, 185x15, 255x8, 255x8, 255x8
Bent over db lat raise 35x12, 40x10, 40x10, 40x10
superset with front DB raise 35x8, 40x6, 40x6, 40x6
45min treadmill
MC Crunch 135x20, 135x20, 135x20

I wanted to mention I'm pretty impressed with NTBM product Forged Burner. My wife and I treaded fat burners for a day. I took 3 of her JetFual Pyro, and she took 2 of my Forged Burners. I felt nothing, sorry GAT, my wife however was bouncing off the walls all day even after her workout. The biggest thing to her was that there be no crash. With 4 kids there's always something to be done during the day, she can't afford to have any kind of post crash. Good stuff NTBM!

["Rodz"]

Hey Bro , How have ya been, Glad your wife likes the Forged Burner, I like the clean energy from it and it gradually tapers off!!!

Nice to see you training consistent as well, Great work

[Rattbones]

I've been away for a few days, I've been keeping up with my new diet/workouts and Need 2 Slin. I'm not going to update you will all the boring workouts, but I did a HIT style leg workout today and killed it. The pump I had in my legs was so hard I thought something was going to break. Here was my workout

Leg extensions 150x15, 170x15, 200x8
Leg press 630x15, 900x15, 1170x9
Squats 225x15, 275x15, 370x8 pause 2, pause 2
Lying Leg Curls 90x12, 120x10, 150x6 pause 2

That was it, I was done with legs in under an hour and there still sore. Going heavy and looking to 1 working set seems to work for me. I can feel a deeper muscle recruitment then with my normal workouts.