I Am Not A Competitive Bodybuilder. I Do Sessions. Do I Affect Women's Bodybuilding?

[SessionGal]

I also have no nude photos of myself. No sexy photoshoots. I do have photo shoots with me posing in bikinis. I have no youtube videos nor have I ever advertised on the internet my services. I have attented numerous Olympia, Arnold, the ex JanTana, Europa and other pro shows. I have never taken my business to them although I have seen some of my clients. So how does what I do affect female bodybuilding? I thought I'd start a new thread since we got off topic on the other one. I'd also like to point out I do look like a pro female bodybuilder/NPC level bodybuilder. I do diet, use AAS, train and "bulk" and "lean down". I don't compete though.

[Ibarramedia]

I don't think you personally would affect women's competitive bodybuilding. Do you identify yourself as a female bodybuilder when doing sessions or the word of mouth advert? Or do you just identify yourself as a muscular female?

Dominique Danger has never competed as a female bodybuilder if my memory serves me right. She is however a powerlifter and Olympic weight lifter. She may also be a strongwoman or strength athlete.

[AnglicanBeachParty]

Is it too late for you to attach a Poll to this thread?

[SessionGal]

I do refer to myself as a female bodybuilder. When doing sessions I don't but it wouldn't really come up. Although I have of course been asked if I compete and why don't I, etc.

[SessionGal]

Is it too late for you to attach a Poll to this thread?

I don't know how but I can if you want. Just tell me how to do it.

[The Big Sexy]

Do you affect women's bodybuilding... in what regard?

[SessionGal]

Do you affect women's bodybuilding... in what regard?

In absolutely anyway. I should state I am referring to competitive female bodybuilding.

[SallyAnne]

I say no. You should be able to do whatever the hell you want to do. :)

[Ibarramedia]

I do refer to myself as a female bodybuilder. When doing sessions I don't but it wouldn't really come up. Although I have of course been asked if I compete and why don't I, etc.

Would it help or hurt or make no difference in your session career if you start to refer yourself as a muscular female and not a 'bodybuilder'?

Then again, most guys will consider a muscular female a bodybuilder regardless whether she competes or not. Most guys on the other hand don't consider themselves as bodybuilders unless they compete in a contest. We will just say, we play sports and lift. Or just say we lift intensely but have never and don't compete in bodybuilding contests. Others say they are weekend warriors.

[The Big Sexy]

In absolutely anyway. I should state I am referring to competitive female bodybuilding.

You yourself probably have little to no impact on anything, other than your direct life and people who may come in contact with you.

I would say session girls as a population would definitely cast a bad shadow on FBB... just as men who do the same thing cast a similar shadow on bodybuilding.

[AnglicanBeachParty]

I don't know how but I can if you want. Just tell me how to do it.

I think it is too late, but I will post this from the FAQ, for future reference:



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[Lann1011]

I say no. You should be able to do whatever the hell you want to do. :)

I second that...

[debbiebramwell]

I say no. You should be able to do whatever the hell you want to do. :)

x2 You dont compete so it isnt relevant to the other discussion(they were adressing IFBB Pro bbrs) I personally feel what anyone does behind close doors is no ones business.

[MsGuns]

Its your life you should be able to do what you want.

[Sledge]

I say no. You should be able to do whatever the hell you want to do. :)

Exactly.

[GirlyMuscle]

And call yourself whatever you see yourself as. If you see yourself as a female bodybuilder then by all means....call yourself a female bodybuilder. Who cares what anyone else thinks. ;)

[SessionGal]

I am a female who "builds" my body. I am a muscular female. Noticeably muscular I might add. And I follow the sport but don't compete.

[GirlyMuscle]

Well, if I have to classify you I'd say you're a bodybuilder and in my opinion you do not hurt the sport at all.

[barbellbarbie]

IMO SG.. you took this very VERY personally and obviously i understand why, but i dont think in any area of "popular opinion" is there going to be ONE person that impacts the masses. I dont think anyone was personally blaming YOU for the light in which female body building is perceived, this isnt about YOU (although you just got the brunt of it because you were here)

Its more about, and correct me if i'm wrong, that it is SO common place that it seems literally synonymous now with not only fbb but muscular women in general. And since it isnt even a loose association anymore, that it is affecting the integrity of the sport and tarnishing the respect that athletes deserve.

Just from what i have observed people look at fbbs more as a sexualized oddity than athletes now and it is assumed it seems that if you are female and lift to build muscle that you do sessions and the like,

Taking myself as an example.. i am in no way, form, or fashion REMOTELY near the level of muscularity of a pro fbb however i am clearly more muscular than your "average" woman and i am not even asked if i participate in sessions.. it is assumed that i do. I get random strangers on the street asking to touch my arm or asking me how much a session is and if i wrestle.. and this is IN PERSON. its 100xs worse on the internet since the level of anonymity removes ALL SHAME from these guys. The sheer fact that this conclusion is naturally reached without even a hesitate speaks volumes for what camming /sessions etc has done to the already biased perception of female lifters..

[musclemilf]

Session Gal -

As far as doing sex or session work (whatever you want to call it), it's YOUR body and YOUR business. Your catering to a niche market like other escorts who cater to different fetishes such as S&M, diapering, feet, big breasts, etc

I would add one very important cautionary note before you decide to take your session business to the internet, don't post pictures of your face, unless you think you'll retire off of the proceeds of your business. Keep your identity private. People judge, period. If you intend on taking a "civilian" job in the real world, there's a likely hood of your pictures being cached somewhere or on someone's hard drive.

Good luck with your work. Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders.

[debbiebramwell]

I am a female who "builds" my body. I am a muscular female. Noticeably muscular I might add. And I follow the sport but don't compete.

how about non competitive bodybuilder. my first buff boyfriend was big and looked like a bodybuilder but never competed and that is what we called him.:)

[debbiebramwell]

Session Gal -

As far as doing sex or session work (whatever you want to call it), it's YOUR body and YOUR business. Your catering to a niche market like other escorts who cater to different fetishes such as S&M, diapering, feet, big breasts, etc

I would add one very important cautionary note before you decide to take your session business to the internet, don't post pictures of your face, unless you think you'll retire off of the proceeds of your business. Keep your identity private. People judge, period. If you intend on taking a "civilian" job in the real world, there's a likely hood of your pictures being cached somewhere or on someone's hard drive.

Good luck with your work. Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders.


Great openminded post. No one can tell someone else what to do or how they feel about what they do..

[Tre]

Iris Kyle is Ms. Olympia and she doesn't even 'affect' women's bodybuilding.

[sassy69]

My guess is just very simply, most of the mainstream have no idea any such thing as "sessions" even exists. Some might, most don't. Just like most, and actually many in the industry are completely unaware of the G4P aspect of men's BB. So I doubt SessionGal affects FBB. If people are aware of the relationship, then it wont' be just one person making a difference.

And to Tre's point, its kinda true re: Iris. Which is really sad but depending on which large slice of society you're looking at - most people are aware of FBB but they only have the extreme images associated w/ it, and w/ no particular name or face in mind.

[Musclepapa John]

Just based on the headline I'd say "NO."
It isn't prostitution that is the problem. It is prostitution by competitive athletes in bodybuilding, fitness, figure and bikini sports that is the problem. It's rather like being a CPA and prostitute isn't a problem unless you are the head or getting/giving head on up the corporate ladder as a prostituting CPA in your company. That is where the problem comes in. The wolves may be at the door, but until you let them in you are fine.:yep:

[GENESIS]

Define "Session"


newbie to this it seems...

[Ibarramedia]

My guess is just very simply, most of the mainstream have no idea any such thing as "sessions" even exists. Some might, most don't. Just like most, and actually many in the industry are completely unaware of the G4P aspect of men's BB. So I doubt SessionGal affects FBB. If people are aware of the relationship, then it wont' be just one person making a difference.

And to Tre's point, its kinda true re: Iris. Which is really sad but depending on which large slice of society you're looking at - most people are aware of FBB but they only have the extreme images associated w/ it, and w/ no particular name or face in mind.


I agree.

[musclemilf]

Love it or hate it, sex work has been around since the dawn of time and isn't going away anytime soon.

For those people who judge SessionGal, I'll guarantee you'd be shocked to find out who in your circle or friends, family or acquaintances have either been a sex worker or been a payer of such services. A sex worker can be a lapdancer giving hand jobs, someone serving a fetish niche like SG, a full body sensual masseuse, cam worker, dominatrix, or full service escort.

Contrary to the belief that all sex workers have fucked up lives, many have moved on to complete post graduate studies, moved into civilian professions and live quite nicely.

SessionGal found a niche and honestly if the demand (<----Key word here)for her services didn't exist, she would've continued in the biology field.

[Ibarramedia]

Someone here needs to stop using the word prostitition in their posts. Never mind the fact that some sexual activity may occur during a session. Not all sessions are done with sexual activities. Fom our purposes in this thread and related threads, use the correct terminology. In this case it is 'sessions'.

[musclemilf]

Someone here needs to stop using the word prostitition in their posts. Never mind the fact that some sexual activity may occur during a session. Not all sessions are done with sexual activities. Fom our purposes in this thread and related threads, use the correct terminology. In this case it is 'sessions'.

I respectively disagree with you. But that's ok, we can agree to disagree :)

My examples in my previous post weren't accurate. I would remove the cam worker and dominatrix (in some cases :) )

[Ibarramedia]

I respectively disagree with you. But that's ok, we can agree to disagree :)

My examples in my previous post weren't accurate. I would remove the cam worker and dominatrix (in some cases :) )


I wasn't referring to you when I made that post. :) Cheers.

[musclemilf]

I wasn't referring to you when I made that post. :) Cheers.

Got it. My bad :p

[SessionGal]

Girls that do webcam and post nude pics of themselves on the internet hurt the industry much more than I. I do not flaunt what I do or attach my real name with anything. I don't do this for attention. Nude photos and webcam are usually girls that want attention. I'm not saying it is a bad thing but if you want to corner "whom" might be giving the female bodybuilding industry a sleazy reputation take a look at those girls. Can you name 10 bodybuilders that do sessions, or can you name 10 girls that do nude photos and webcam. They are much more "out there". I keep my sessions very private because it is a wise business move and I don't want attention. Many keep their sessions private because they are ashamed. Posting nude photos on sites or doing webcam is much more out there.

[Ibarramedia]

There is a lot of overlap here.

Some FBB/FIT/FIG/Bikini do sessions and webcams,post nude pics and do porn videos. Others just do Webams. Others do webcams and nude pics, paysite pics. Others do sessions and webcams. Some do Porn videos and nude pics but not sessions. A few more do sessions but none of the above. There are different myriad combinations of such. It depends on the girl. It depends on their comfort level on each of the activities. It really is hard to pigeon hole the competitors on what they do. It is really more liek a huge Venn Diagram.

[SessionGal]

I meant to post the above post in a different thread. Pardon the mistake!

[Sledge]

Someone here needs to stop using the word prostitition in their posts. Never mind the fact that some sexual activity may occur during a session. Not all sessions are done with sexual activities. Fom our purposes in this thread and related threads, use the correct terminology. In this case it is 'sessions'.


Ok then whats the point? I thought the whole idea of a "session" was of a sexual nature. Sure it might not involve penetration in some cases. but without doubt it's sexual. Maybe a term like in person pornography would make you happier but lets not beat around the bush. Charging someone money to provide them with personal sexual stimulation. What would you call it in layman's terms.

[Sledge]

Oh, and Session girl. I do not think you harm the FBBs or their industry. Because lets face it FBB is all about sex. And you are just taking advantage of the niche industry that competitive FBB has created. And it's still being driven that way by the IFBB.

Maybe we should be asking if the inclusion of Bikini division in the IFBB is hurting the Stripper industry.

[debbiebramwell]

Ok then whats the point? I thought the whole idea of a "session" was of a sexual nature. Sure it might not involve penetration in some cases. but without doubt it's sexual. Maybe a term like in person pornography would make you happier but lets not beat around the bush. Charging someone money to provide them with personal sexual stimulation. What would you call it in layman's terms.


There are many sessions where there is no sexual contact and many sessions where the guy is fully dressed the whole time. I have fans tell me plus I know a few who have done them so I hear about it.

[Sledge]

There are many sessions where there is no sexual contact and many sessions where the guy is fully dressed the whole time. I have fans tell me plus I know a few who have done them so I hear about it.

That may be so. But lets not kid ourselves. It's still all about sex.

Though I think I might take up being a "fan" and "supporter" of womens beach volleyball. Wonder how much it would cost me to get a few of those chickys oiled up in a room and posing for me. mmmmmmm. Um totally non sexual of course.

[MsGuns]

Love it or hate it, sex work has been around since the dawn of time and isn't going away anytime soon.

For those people who judge SessionGal, I'll guarantee you'd be shocked to find out who in your circle or friends, family or acquaintances have either been a sex worker or been a payer of such services. A sex worker can be a lapdancer giving hand jobs, someone serving a fetish niche like SG, a full body sensual masseuse, cam worker, dominatrix, or full service escort.

Contrary to the belief that all sex workers have fucked up lives, many have moved on to complete post graduate studies, moved into civilian professions and live quite nicely.

SessionGal found a niche and honestly if the demand (<----Key word here)for her services didn't exist, she would've continued in the biology field.

Small world..
Great post gurl!

[Ibarramedia]

Ok then whats the point? I thought the whole idea of a "session" was of a sexual nature. Sure it might not involve penetration in some cases. but without doubt it's sexual. Maybe a term like in person pornography would make you happier but lets not beat around the bush. Charging someone money to provide them with personal sexual stimulation. What would you call it in layman's terms.

Sessions fall into four categories:


1) Submissive wrestling, for men who want to be pinned.


2) Pure wrestling, which involves more back-and-forth action without trying to hurt one another.


3) Body worship, in which the man rubs oil on the woman and admires her body. The woman also flexes her muscles and goes into her posing routine for him to admire. I think this is the most common.


4) And the least common, combative wrestling, in which the man tries to win.


Here is a cleaner, clinical version of the description of muscle worship sessions:



Muscle worship - is a form of body worship in which a participant, the worshiper, touches the muscles of another participant, the dominator, in sexually arousing ways, which can include rubbing, massaging, kissing and licking.



The dominator is almost always either a bodybuilder, a fitness competitor, or an individual with a large body size and a high degree of visible muscle tone, while worshipers are often, but not always, skinnier, smaller, and more out of shape. Muscle worship can include participants of both sexes and all sexual orientations

The amount of forceful domination and pain used in muscle worship varies widely, depending on the desires of the participants. Sometimes, the dominator uses his or her size and strength to pin a smaller worshiper, forcing the worshiper to praise his or her muscles, while in other cases, the worshiper simply feels and compliments the muscles of a flexing dominator.

Both male and female bodybuilders often offer muscle worship sessions for a price in order to supplement their low or nonexistent income from bodybuilding competitions. Although these sessions rarely involve sexual activities, they offer fans--both male and female--the rare chance to meet and touch a muscular man or woman in person.

Hope this helps.

[Sledge]

^So, Charging money to provide touching "the muscles of another participant, the dominator, in sexually arousing ways, which can include rubbing, massaging, kissing and licking." = Prostitution. No doubt about it. Sure it's not a blow job in the back seat of your ford. But it's still paying someone for sexual favors.

I don't think their is anything wrong with it. And I certainly don't think it hurts bodybuilding. Hell the guys have been doing it since Archimedes was a baby. But lets not get hung up on a word. Exchanging money to provide sex in person (no matter what the method is) is prostitution. But because the term has such negative implications with some people, maybe the personal pornography tag is more cute and cuddly.

[Sledge]

But I'm dragging this thread totally off topic. I apologize people.

Back on topic. i don't believe ANY FBB doing sessions of any nature. Or webcam or magazine shoots, or porn or G4P or whatever. Effect womans bodybuilding at any level.
Nor do I think SallyAnnes or MsGunz or The Big Sexy avatars and their sexy/sexual nature effect bodybuilding in general in a negative light.

So Session Girl if you can make a buck as a result of doing something you enjoy. I say (in the words of the great Derek Anthony) fuck all yous haterz. Get on with it and have a great life. If someone would pay me for sessions and I could make enough to give up fighting fires for a living I'd be on it tomorrow. (i take paypal :))

[barbellbarbie]

Oh, and Session girl. I do not think you harm the FBBs or their industry. Because lets face it FBB is all about sex. And you are just taking advantage of the niche industry that competitive FBB has created. And it's still being driven that way by the IFBB.

Maybe we should be asking if the inclusion of Bikini division in the IFBB is hurting the Stripper industry.
LOL! i doubt that seriously it gives the strippers something to do between shifts...

the fact that the strippers are on stage in the same day as people that actually have gym membership is hurting the IFBB imo tho..

[Tu Holmes]

LOL! i doubt that seriously it gives the strippers something to do between shifts...

the fact that the strippers are on stage in the same day as people that actually have gym membership is hurting the IFBB imo tho..

HAHA... fuck the IFBB.

Bring on the thongs!

[Tu Holmes]

Iris Kyle is Ms. Olympia and she doesn't even 'affect' women's bodybuilding.

Touche.

[barbellbarbie]

HAHA... fuck the IFBB.

Bring on the thongs!

but the shows are long enough without the added time for a lap dance!

[Tu Holmes]

but the shows are long enough without the added time for a lap dance!

Sometimes you just need to get someone to grind on your junk.

I'll get a lapdance as long as someone else buys it for me.... Or I'm really hammered and I say fuck it.

Either way.

[Ibarramedia]

^So, Charging money to provide touching "the muscles of another participant, the dominator, in sexually arousing ways, which can include rubbing, massaging, kissing and licking." = Prostitution. No doubt about it. Sure it's not a blow job in the back seat of your ford. But it's still paying someone for sexual favors.

I don't think their is anything wrong with it. And I certainly don't think it hurts bodybuilding. Hell the guys have been doing it since Archimedes was a baby. But lets not get hung up on a word. Exchanging money to provide sex in person (no matter what the method is) is prostitution. But because the term has such negative implications with some people, maybe the personal pornography tag is more cute and cuddly.


I'm not going to be splitting hairs with this. Prostitution to me is going to a prostitute to have sex, blowjob or handjob. Prostitution is the act or practice of engaging in sex acts for hire. For the sake of discussion muscle sessions are what I described above. Along with lift and carry and muscular domination.

Watch this clip:

YouTube- Muscle worship - Hidden Lives 3/5


When I said someone needs to stop using the word prostitution when describing sessions, I was referring to MPJ who used that word every time he spoke of sessions. I don't know what experience of an actual session feels like as I never had one. I don't engage in that activity, but I know of a lot of guys who do. I Know a lot of competitors who do.

To the clients and session providers who do sessions, there is a huge difference between sessions and prostitution. I'm sure they would take offense to being lumped into the same category. Now do some sessions end up with having sex or a hand job? Sure. The client just has to pay much more for that to happen and it's up to the session provider if she would do that. Others are not comfortable with having sex with their clients. That is a major misconception about sessions with a FBB.

Do some guys get aroused when doing sessions with a FBB? Some do some don't. Can't really say how much since there is no statistical record indicate one way or the other. Look, I get that it's all one and the same to you. That's not how other people see it.

[The Big Sexy]

But I'm dragging this thread totally off topic. I apologize people.

Back on topic. i don't believe ANY FBB doing sessions of any nature. Or webcam or magazine shoots, or porn or G4P or whatever. Effect womans bodybuilding at any level.
Nor do I think SallyAnnes or MsGunz or The Big Sexy avatars and their sexy/sexual nature effect bodybuilding in general in a negative light.

So Session Girl if you can make a buck as a result of doing something you enjoy. I say (in the words of the great Derek Anthony) fuck all yous haterz. Get on with it and have a great life. If someone would pay me for sessions and I could make enough to give up fighting fires for a living I'd be on it tomorrow. (i take paypal :))

Honestly... my avatar, it is like a beam of light through a snow filled mountain pass... the sun, glistening off the morning glaze... rocky top peaks pierce the heavens and embrace the clouds... yes, my avatar... it is what heaven must look like... how... how could heaven be bad?

[SessionGal]

There are many sessions where there is no sexual contact and many sessions where the guy is fully dressed the whole time. I have fans tell me plus I know a few who have done them so I hear about it.

No. There may be sessions with no sexual contact but I guarantee the guy/girl is turned on by what is occuring in a session. 100% every single time. I will say confidently your fans are lying to you and so are the people you know that do sessions. A guy/girl may stay fully dressed but there is not a session that is not sexual in nature. Why would anybody pay good money? The only exception I could possible think of but have never heard of myself, would be someone with an honest to goodness curiousity wanting to wrestle someone stronger than them. I'd also like to point out fans lie. Do you have any idea how many woman come up to me every single time I have my muscles showing or am at the gym? I get non-stop compliments. I'm not stupid. When you stand out the way we do people compliment us more out of "awe". I've heard way too many female bodybuilders talk about getting complimented all the time. Yep. But you have to be an idiot to believe every single one is genuine.

[barbellbarbie]

Sometimes you just need to get someone to grind on your junk.

I'll get a lapdance as long as someone else buys it for me.... Or I'm really hammered and I say fuck it.

Either way.
Then go to a strip club instead of a body building show

[barbellbarbie]

No. There may be sessions with no sexual contact but I guarantee the guy/girl is turned on by what is occuring in a session. 100% every single time. I will say confidently your fans are lying to you and so are the people you know that do sessions. A guy/girl may stay fully dressed but there is not a session that is not sexual in nature. Why would anybody pay good money? The only exception I could possible think of but have never heard of myself, would be someone with an honest to goodness curiousity wanting to wrestle someone stronger than them. I'd also like to point out fans lie. Do you have any idea how many woman come up to me every single time I have my muscles showing or am at the gym? I get non-stop compliments. I'm not stupid. When you stand out the way we do people compliment us more out of "awe". I've heard way too many female bodybuilders talk about getting complimented all the time. Yep. But you have to be an idiot to believe every single one is genuine.
Agreed your average fan/admirer will be at your shows cheering you on and such not paying you hundreds of dollars to wrestle you.

i actually had this guy contact me because his wife was doing MMA and needed someone challenging to spar with basically because she had some kind of fight coming up.. i totally thought it was bullshit.. until i talked to his wife lol that is the 1 and only time i have been approached by someone that did not plan to jerk off to the experience later..

[Tre]

Agreed your average fan/admirer will be at your shows cheering you on and such not paying you hundreds of dollars to wrestle you.

i actually had this guy contact me because his wife was doing MMA and needed someone challenging to spar with basically because she had some kind of fight coming up.. i totally thought it was bullshit.. until i talked to his wife lol that is the 1 and only time i have been approached by someone that did not plan to jerk off to the experience later..

Someone actually showed up with his wife??

That's way out of the ordinary. Some guys will email or chat about their wives/gfs needing a 'challenge' or even needing to be beaten up by an FBB, but to actually have you meet the wife?! You're in unchartered territory!

But...why do you assume that female vs female sparring would NOT turn this guy on?