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BEAST MODE
02-10-2009, 06:26 PM
I guess this is the forum to put this in? Just a quick question about using NO and creatine while dieting. I've been dieting for 10 weeks now, and haven't used NO because of the unnecessary calories contained in it from the sugar, and I haven't used creatine because I don't want to hold any more water. But, since NO does help in fat oxidation, would the benefits (fat burn, boost in gym) outweight the fact that there is typically somewhere around 7g+ of sugar in each scoop? I know it's such a small number, but when I'm counting everything I put in my body, I get a little anal. And has anyone used creatine while dieting, specifically kre-alkalyn? It always helps my endurance, so I guess I have the same question on it. Do you think the benefits outweight the water retention? I do tend to hold more fluids no matter what type of creatine I use, although krealkalyn is supposedly a "no bloat" form. Anyway, leave me some thoughts or some applied science from your own experience.

THUNDERGOD
02-10-2009, 07:25 PM
Good question about the NO products? Not sure if it would be recommended during contest prep, but I was wondering if it would be wise to use NO while on a keto diet? I heard that vpx had and NO product with no carbs.

BEAST MODE
02-10-2009, 07:27 PM
I know Dave and John talked about using NO while on keto on one of the radio shows recently. You may ask them.

BigJD69
02-10-2009, 07:36 PM
For me I would not use anything with Creatine in it while trying to loose weight. The Kre-Alkalyn may be the way to go. Every one's body is different, you just have to experiment and find out what work's best for you.

J2jud
02-10-2009, 07:42 PM
When I dieted for my show, using a similar diet to the Palumbo diet I was using a non-stimulant mix of arginine, ALCAR, and GLPC which seemed to aid in my workouts as well as my fight against fat burning.

BEAST MODE
02-10-2009, 10:00 PM
For me I would not use anything with Creatine in it while trying to loose weight. The Kre-Alkalyn may be the way to go. Every one's body is different, you just have to experiment and find out what work's best for you.

I may try it for a week or so and see how I respond. I've never taken it while dieting before.


When I dieted for my show, using a similar diet to the Palumbo diet I was using a non-stimulant mix of arginine, ALCAR, and GLPC which seemed to aid in my workouts as well as my fight against fat burning.

Any specific brand/product? This isn't MD so we can actually name other people's shit!:D

MusclesMarinara
02-11-2009, 12:03 AM
im currently on a keto diet and i take creatine monohydrate in the morning and post workout.

armonadibi.com
02-11-2009, 11:03 AM
I did use NO products but not creatine on diet cause it wil cause water ret but in offseason I do use creatine

dvsness
02-11-2009, 11:08 AM
I always use creatine while dieting. The goal is to lose fat, not water, and when dosed properly creatine holds water intracellularly, not subcutaneously. Creatine help retain muscle while in caloric deficit.

As for NO products, just make sure you are accounting for any calories/carbs that are in in when planning your macros.

BEAST MODE
02-11-2009, 01:11 PM
Thanks for the input everyone. I think I'm going to do some searching and see what product has the lowest caloric content. In the past I've used NOXplode, which I believe is 7g carbs per scoop. I would do 2 scoops, so that was 56 calories only on training days. Surely there's something out there that's diet-conscious.

flipper
02-11-2009, 01:20 PM
This is what Dave said about NO products when I asked him:

I was thinking of trying some NO Shotgun by VPX, it has no carbs. Any suggestions?

DP: No Shotgun and similar products have stimulants that raise cortisol levels. Shotgun also has over 80 calories, which will affect your total daily intake and could slow fatloss. Remember that the pump is just visual, what matters is retaining muscle and strength while losing fat. If you’re losing your pump during your workout, you may be doing too many sets!

dvsness
02-11-2009, 01:34 PM
Thanks for the input everyone. I think I'm going to do some searching and see what product has the lowest caloric content. In the past I've used NOXplode, which I believe is 7g carbs per scoop. I would do 2 scoops, so that was 56 calories only on training days. Surely there's something out there that's diet-conscious.

There is a product called NO Limits from Designer Supps that is a pill - caffeine, calorie, and carb free.

BEAST MODE
02-11-2009, 01:55 PM
This is what Dave said about NO products when I asked him:

I was thinking of trying some NO Shotgun by VPX, it has no carbs. Any suggestions?

DP: No Shotgun and similar products have stimulants that raise cortisol levels. Shotgun also has over 80 calories, which will affect your total daily intake and could slow fatloss. Remember that the pump is just visual, what matters is retaining muscle and strength while losing fat. If you’re losing your pump during your workout, you may be doing too many sets!

First, let me say I'm glad you didn't choose to use NO Shotgun. That stuff tastes like dirty ass.

Second, whatever Dave says typically makes perfect sense, and in this case it definitely does. I'm not on a keto diet, so a small amount of carbs would not matter too much I don't suppose. But preferably, I would not be taking in any extra from a supplement. Too bad NO Shotgun tastes so terrible.

armonadibi.com
02-11-2009, 02:48 PM
i USE MUSCLETECHS NANO THEY ARE PILLS NO CALORIES. ITS JUST ARGININE NO STIMULANTS LIKE OTHERS

BEAST MODE
02-11-2009, 03:44 PM
There is a product called NO Limits from Designer Supps that is a pill - caffeine, calorie, and carb free.


i USE MUSCLETECHS NANO THEY ARE PILLS NO CALORIES. ITS JUST ARGININE NO STIMULANTS LIKE OTHERS

I have tried several different brands' pill form products and I just don't notice anything from them. I got a ton of the Muscletech Nano pills at the ASC one year and used maybe 4 or 5 packs before I finally decided there was no point in taking them if I wasn't getting anything out of it. I also tried NO and NO Black, neither of which did anything. Powders seem to work the best for me.

flipper
02-11-2009, 04:29 PM
First, let me say I'm glad you didn't choose to use NO Shotgun. That stuff tastes like dirty ass.

Second, whatever Dave says typically makes perfect sense, and in this case it definitely does. I'm not on a keto diet, so a small amount of carbs would not matter too much I don't suppose. But preferably, I would not be taking in any extra from a supplement. Too bad NO Shotgun tastes so terrible.

I tried the fruit punch and it tastes pretty good.........

Lordston
02-11-2009, 04:37 PM
Well....you can go the arginine route to up your NO production. There are plenty of non caloric AAKG (Alpha Arginine Keto glutarate...sp*) products/powders out there without any flavoring or anything that you can take with your creatine.

Just a suggestion.

BEAST MODE
02-11-2009, 04:54 PM
I tried the fruit punch and it tastes pretty good.........

The stuff I had honestly tasted like melted plastic


Well....you can go the arginine route to up your NO production. There are plenty of non caloric AAKG (Alpha Arginine Keto glutarate...sp*) products/powders out there without any flavoring or anything that you can take with your creatine.

Just a suggestion.

Have you tried any of them?

Juntao
02-12-2009, 12:00 AM
I say yes! Your muscles whilst dieting are low on glycogen and takes longer to get that off season pump! take a NOS that works with you. Seriously, from my experience it really helps when dieting!

BigJD69
02-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Try BCAA AKG 1000 from Sci Fit prior to training with some caffeine pills.

militantmuscle
02-12-2009, 04:33 AM
NO's vasodilation and cell-signaling functions can be mediated by simply supplementing with arginine, oxygen in the body will take care of the rest. Sufficient and superior amino acid profiles will also establish these functions. During a pre-contest phase you really aren't trying to grow, but rather maintain muscle mass, so extra vasodilation really wouldn't do anything, especially on a limited macronutrient intake.

Hardly Krishna
02-12-2009, 04:40 AM
Why not try an NO product in pill form? Such as CL's White Flood, I get pretty solid pumps on this, and I think it contains 400mg of caffeine per serving????

Lordston
02-12-2009, 05:35 PM
The stuff I had honestly tasted like melted plastic



Have you tried any of them?


To be honest, I haven't... but I have some on the way. I wanted to see if increased blood flow to adipose tissue, enhanced by NO, in any way helps with mid section fat loss. We will see if the studies I saw can work for ME at all. I will post back my feelings on this after a good three to four weeks of trial. I have been tracking my caliper measurements over the last 6 weeks on a diet very similar to Dave's and will see if any measurements in the mid section show any signs of unusual acceleration.

Lordston

joedanielsx
02-13-2009, 09:42 AM
i always use beverly muscle synergy for NO ,creatine anhmb effects during dieting helps me retain size all the time

BEAST MODE
02-13-2009, 11:28 AM
Wow, lots of input to go through. Been a little sick the past few days...

I found some Nanox9 this morning and took 4 capsules just to see if my body responds any different now, and it didn't. Still nothing from capsules. I think I may try some of the calorie-free, unflavored powder w/ a little extra caffeine and see how that works. Thanks for the input everyone! Keep me posted on how things work for you if you're trying them.

ArabMuscle
02-15-2009, 06:08 PM
NO-Shotgun V3 tastes great. It has 81 protein calories, so it wouldn't hurt, even if you were on a keto-diet. Plus, the amount of caffeine in that thing is small.

BEAST MODE
02-15-2009, 08:27 PM
I'm very hesitant to try NO Shotgun after tasting the samples I got at the Arnold. If I could taste this new stuff before I bought it, I may give it a try.

chucksm00th
02-17-2009, 05:12 PM
Lyle macdonald said NO supplements are anti-lipolytic, so they inhibit fat loss. Creatine is fantastic when dieting since it helps spare muscel tissue, protects the cells against free radicals (because of the water retention) and helps in the strength area a tad. Just remember to cut it out 4wks b4 show time if you decide to compete

BEAST MODE
02-17-2009, 05:17 PM
I did take some Krealkalyn this morning. Noticed a little less fatigue, but nothing really significant. I also tried the Nanox9 again just for shits...still nothing.

Frosty
02-17-2009, 05:24 PM
If I wanted to increase blood flow to fat tissue to help lose subq fat, I would just take a hot shower before doing my cardio, or wear a sweatshirt and sweatpants.

tight booty
02-17-2009, 09:26 PM
I used the no explode while dieting for my last comp and found that my strength increased, which was a bonus! Previously I had never gotton stronger while cutting up on a restricted calorie diet! So I am all for using a creatine based product. I have added the cellmass now! :cool:

BEAST MODE
02-18-2009, 08:54 AM
I used the no explode while dieting for my last comp and found that my strength increased, which was a bonus! Previously I had never gotton stronger while cutting up on a restricted calorie diet! So I am all for using a creatine based product. I have added the cellmass now! :cool:

KAREN!!! How are you dear? I was thinking about using NOXplode because it's the only thing that I've taken that works the way I want it to and tastes great. I guess now that I'm able to see changes rather quickly, I would know if it was doing anything undesired.

Blakryno
02-22-2009, 04:16 PM
What about gaspari plasma Jet? It's got 1.6 grams of carbs per svng and no sugar.

BEAST MODE
02-22-2009, 07:06 PM
What about gaspari plasma Jet? It's got 1.6 grams of carbs per svng and no sugar.

Funny you mention Gaspari. I just got SuperPump 250. I have used it before and know it works well. It's only got like 8g carbs per serving so I'm going to use it in the morning and see how it works. I haven't used NO in so long I'll probably get a good response from it.

red barraca
02-22-2009, 10:46 PM
no explode

BEAST MODE
02-22-2009, 10:48 PM
I love NOxplode, but I want to try something else this time around. If SP250 doesn't work, I know what to go back to.

tight booty
02-23-2009, 08:56 AM
KAREN!!! How are you dear? I was thinking about using NOXplode because it's the only thing that I've taken that works the way I want it to and tastes great. I guess now that I'm able to see changes rather quickly, I would know if it was doing anything undesired.
I am really well thank you, and you??? :)
I actually find the no xplode a little bit sickly to drink, but it does work and so down the hatch it goes...haha :p

BEAST MODE
02-23-2009, 09:42 AM
I am really well thank you, and you??? :)
I actually find the no xplode a little bit sickly to drink, but it does work and so down the hatch it goes...haha :p

I am great. Just getting over an ear/sinus infection, but I feel better now than I did before that.

I sometimes get sick to my stomach from the NOxplode, but it definitely works!

tight booty
02-23-2009, 09:50 AM
I am great. Just getting over an ear/sinus infection, but I feel better now than I did before that.

I sometimes get sick to my stomach from the NOxplode, but it definitely works!

Awww that's not good to hear. :( Sinus/ear infections can make a person very miserable and can be so painful. Good to hear that the antibiotics are kicking in and you are feeling a bit better!
I am stacking the cellmass with the no xplode and it isn't as sweet as the no xplode, thank goodness!

BEAST MODE
02-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Awww that's not good to hear. :( Sinus/ear infections can make a person very miserable and can be so painful. Good to hear that the antibiotics are kicking in and you are feeling a bit better!
I am stacking the cellmass with the no xplode and it isn't as sweet as the no xplode, thank goodness!

Yeah, a little bump in the road, but it's over now.

I like Cell Mass. BSN's products taste really good. The only thing I got tired of w/ the NO was the bite it had. It's just so sweet.

Yonkersguy
02-23-2009, 07:58 PM
White Flood. and I've tried a lot of them. my body never got used to it, it always works!

tight booty
02-23-2009, 09:19 PM
Yeah, a little bump in the road, but it's over now.

I like Cell Mass. BSN's products taste really good. The only thing I got tired of w/ the NO was the bite it had. It's just so sweet.
While vapor is a really good product, it actually made me almost want to vomit while training with it. Left a really sickly feeling in my stomach which would make me aware the whole time during training. Great product...felt stronger and had good pumps but the whole wanting to run to the ladies and throw up out weighed the advantages of using it. While no xplode is extremely sweet and sickly while I drink it, at least I don't want to throw up while I am training!
I tried the plasmajet but it did absolutely zero for me. I won't be purchasing or using that again....very disappointed.

BEAST MODE
02-24-2009, 06:28 AM
White Flood. and I've tried a lot of them. my body never got used to it, it always works!

Is that a powder or a capsule?


While vapor is a really good product, it actually made me almost want to vomit while training with it. Left a really sickly feeling in my stomach which would make me aware the whole time during training. Great product...felt stronger and had good pumps but the whole wanting to run to the ladies and throw up out weighed the advantages of using it. While no xplode is extremely sweet and sickly while I drink it, at least I don't want to throw up while I am training!
I tried the plasmajet but it did absolutely zero for me. I won't be purchasing or using that again....very disappointed.

Yeah, Vapor works really well, but I had a sick feeling from it too. It'd hit me immediately. Good thing I got it for free! SuperPump worked awesome yesterday. My legs felt like they were going to explode.

MartyMcFly
02-24-2009, 02:34 PM
what about using AAKG? would that be of any benefit while cutting? in Dave's keto diet?

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beau
03-02-2009, 02:31 PM
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BEAST MODE
03-02-2009, 02:33 PM
Chinese WOW spam on the Rx forums? LOL WTF

hahaha, yeah i did not understand that post in the slightest

GENESIS
03-02-2009, 02:38 PM
you wanna take a NO product while dieting then use NO2 from MRI its pill form, and its got no sugar

BEAST MODE
03-02-2009, 02:47 PM
you wanna take a NO product while dieting then use NO2 from MRI its pill form, and its got no sugar

I tried it and felt nothing. The pills just don't seem to do anything for me.

The Wolf
03-11-2009, 09:03 PM
If you want real nitric oxide then try cialis or viagra, the rest is bulshit and Ive tried them all, plasma jet, no xplode ect. Trust me;)

BEAST MODE
03-11-2009, 09:58 PM
I'd be worried about walking around w/ a chub 24/7.

The Wolf
03-12-2009, 07:38 AM
Its all in the miind, testostorone affects me much more, it even makes me wanna do it with ugly women. Cialis works on the parts you stimulate, so if I do arms its my arms that have the pump.