Progesterone or estrogen antagonists - for fat loss

[Staggliano]

Hey all beutiful muscle girls =)

Friend of mine ( female friend ) has problems with high progesterone levels.
Which makes it really difficult for her to loose fat. No matter how hard she trains
or how carefully she eats or diet, its a real big issue for her to lose fat.
One time she competed and was in a dangerous starving state because of a
very harsh diet to get into shape.

So what do you think about her using progesterone or estrogen antagonists??
Cycles for off and on season...?

[musclemilf]

How does she know her progesterone is high? Is she on BCPs? If she tested high on a blood panel then her hormones are not in balance. She should get in balance first before approaching hormone inhibitors. BTW - estrogen and progesterone are opposing hormones, hence why females have menstrual cycles.

[Staggliano]

How does she know her progesterone is high? Is she on BCPs? If she tested high on a blood panel then her hormones are not in balance. She should get in balance first before approaching hormone inhibitors. BTW - estrogen and progesterone are opposing hormones, hence why females have menstrual cycles.


BCP = birth control pills ??

yes thats what she´s got from the doctors so far, but with those medications
she puts on maby 5kg bodyfat. I dont think she´ll ever get that in balance
because of a problem with the ovaries I think. Im gonna ask her more
specifically about her condition, but nothing has worked for her so far..
...and she has yet not used any antagonists of progesterone or estrogen.
She knew about her high levels of progesterone due to her special contition..

[musclemilf]

BCP = birth control pills ??

yes thats what she´s got from the doctors so far, but with those medications
she puts on maby 5kg bodyfat. I dont think she´ll ever get that in balance
because of a problem with the ovaries I think. Im gonna ask her more
specifically about her condition, but nothing has worked for her so far..
...and she has yet not used any antagonists of progesterone or estrogen.
She knew about her high levels of progesterone due to her special contition..

Her BCPs may have high levels of progestins. Why not come off the birth control pills and find an alternative method for 6 months and see if that resolves the problem? If not, she should see an endocrinologist to test for other stuff that could be out of balance.

[Staggliano]

Her BCPs may have high levels of progestins. Why not come off the birth control pills and find an alternative method for 6 months and see if that resolves the problem? If not, she should see an endocrinologist to test for other stuff that could be out of balance.

She´s been off the bcp for some time now, she got the bcp in first place to
treat the high progesterone that causes her condition with the ovaries...something like that.

Doctors here in sweden are chicken shit and dont give a damn about alternatives
to methods they allready tried and documented. They dont care about patients
mental well being, if you know what I mean.

Thats why we have to look for alternatives ourselves..

[musclemilf]

Well that sucks about the medical system in Sweden.

IMHO, if she has an ovarian "condition", she should work with her doctor to get her hormones balanced. Adding inhibitors on your own may cause other problems. Also, you haven't provided enough details about her condition. High progesterone levels can be an indication of something as normal as perimenopause to something more serious with the adrenals.

Maybe others can help here. Good luck with your search.

[Staggliano]

Yea the medical system along with lots of other things here is so stupid and messed up. I want out! I´d like it in the US I think...any of you looking for a husband or boyfriend?? :hugme:

..anyway

I dont know much about menopause, but she is 29-30 y.o. And very active athlete.
The main reason for looking in antagonists IS actually to balance her progesterone levels.
Seems like all the rest of the stuff is normal, but the progesterone is high and is causing
fat deposits or making it extremly hard to loose fat. And also the condition she has got.
Im going to ask her more about that..

But lets just say she wanted a leaner body by lowering estrogens and/or progesterone,
(which she´s convinced that is reason for her high BF), then what are you girls sugestions?
How do the pro BB girls do it in off season to keep leaner body all year, and still not
experiencing sides, or very little sides...?
Just the medication and hormone manipulation part now..

[Staggliano]

No one else knows anything more about this stuff then??

Been doing some reading, and I think Im going to recommend her to start with
novadex and proviron at 5mg of each per day, in split doses. And Im going to
introduce her to my ondocrinologist-doc for a full hormone profiling and hypothalamus check up.
Her ususal doc dont understand much about her condition, and thought it could
be a tumor at the hypothalamus area that causes high production in progestterone
and other hormonal inbalance....but he´s just guessing.

I talked to her about her condition, and she told me that the high progesterone
causes ovarian cyst that grows big and bursts, every time she has ovulation.
She´s also been lactating from the breasts ever since her sons birth more than 13 years ago. The ovarial cyst began at age of 12..


Anyway, what are your thoughts on nolva 5mg + proviron 5mg / day too help her loose fat??
And dampening the activity of the female hormones?

Also, what do you think about Mifepristone, an progesterone antagonist.
Is this used among BB girls to loose fat?


Staggy

[GirlyMuscle]

Estrogen will also make it harder to lose weight.

You shouldn't try "fixing" the problem yourself. She should see an endocrinologist.

[Staggliano]

Estrogen will also make it harder to lose weight.

Yes, its why I thought of an nolva and proviron combo....would it work both
ways? dampening estrogen, progesterone, prolaktin with this combo?



You shouldn't try "fixing" the problem yourself. She should see an endocrinologist.

Sure thing, I will introduce her to my endo-doc before she starts self
medicating....I wrote that in previous post.




Anybody used an nolva/proviron combo before?
Results, cycle lengths, dosage?

[musclemilf]

Yes, its why I thought of an nolva and proviron combo....would it work both
ways? dampening estrogen, progesterone, prolaktin with this combo?



Sure thing, I will introduce her to my endo-doc before she starts self
medicating....I wrote that in previous post.




Anybody used an nolva/proviron combo before?
Results, cycle lengths, dosage?

Why would you consider estrogen blockers if her issue is with high progesterone levels? Estrogen and progesterone work in opposition. Also, women need a certain amount of estradiol (E2 primary estrogen) to function. Bringing down estradiol levels just to "lean out" doesn't make sense. You may cause her more problems by not thoroughly understanding her condition and having her self medicate.

[Staggliano]

Why would you consider estrogen blockers if her issue is with high progesterone levels? Estrogen and progesterone work in opposition. Also, women need a certain amount of estradiol (E2 primary estrogen) to function. Bringing down estradiol levels just to "lean out" doesn't make sense. You may cause her more problems by not thoroughly understanding her condition and having her self medicate.


I agree with you all the way. So what Im asking here is thoughts on de very low dosages of nolva and proviron.
I never said Im going to MAKE her do anything, and Im not out for lowering her female hormones to nothing.
Im aware of the fact that women need estrogens to funktion, as mutch as males need androgens in their body.

So is 5mg of nolva and proviron stiil too mutch? or is it low enough to still allow her female
hormones to do their key funktions...?


I know estrogen and progesterone are two different things, which is why I
asked if someone knew something about Mifepristone - progesterone blocker.

Let me make one thing as clear as possible: Im not going to make her do
anything, and I will make sure that she sees a endo-doc before anything else!!

I only prommissed her that I would do some research and try to ask
experienced female BB about their usage of anti estrogens to lean out.
Thats what Im doing and nothing else, just gathering info...

[Staggliano]

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