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Chris Pearce
07-06-2010, 10:44 AM
Interesting Read:

By Mallory Creveling (http://www.aolhealth.com/bloggers/mallory-creveling) Jul 2nd 2010 12:27PM
Categories: News (http://www.aolhealth.com/categories/news/)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolhealth.com/media/2010/07/fish-oil-capsules-fight-depression-240kk.jpgFish oil may do more than improve heart health. There's compelling new evidence that it can also help heal the blues.

In the latest study on depression and fish oil, half the participants said their symptoms got better after taking supplements, according to Reuters (http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/2010/07/01/eline/links/20100701elin003.html).

The other half of the 432 patients who didn't benefit from fish oil had also been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder.

The University of Montreal study is the largest to date on the effects of omega-3 fatty acids on symptoms of depression.

Dr. Francois Lesperance and his colleagues tested a fish-oil capsule with a high ratio of eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) to docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) -- the two main forms of omega-3 fat.

They provided 1,050 milligrams per day of the EPA and 150 milligrams per day of the DHA to the patients who were each diagnosed with at least moderate depression. About 40 percent of the participants were also taking antidepressants, Reuters reported.

The researchers randomly assigned the participants to take either the fish oil supplements or a placebo containing vegetable oil every day for eight weeks.

They also provided the patients with a questionnaire asking about the severity of their symptoms at the start of the study, published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry (http://www.psychiatrist.com/), and several times throughout.
The study authors said they did not find promising results between those who took the fish oil and those who took the placebo when analyzing everyone from both groups. But they did find that the symptoms of those with depression and no anxiety improved significantly, according to Reuters. Antidepressants did not affect the findings.

Those whose symptoms weren't helped by the fish oil had other anxiety-related syndromes like post traumatic stress disorder (http://www.aolhealth.com/health-concern/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-special-1), phobias, panic disorder or generalized anxiety (http://www.aolhealth.com/symptom/anxiety-symptom-1).
Scientists are unsure as to how omega-3 acids may affect depression, but some say they may be involved in the function of certain brain chemicals and their anti-inflammatory properties may help, according to Reuters.

Most research on the effects of fish oil on depression has produced conflicting results. A number of previous studies have looked at omega-3 fatty acids as a treatment on their own, while others have tested them in combination with antidepressants.

Dr. Daniel Carlat (http://www.aolhealth.com/.../meet-mental-health-expert-dr-daniel-carlat/), an AOL Medical Advisory Board member and an associate clinical professor of psychiatry at Tufts University School of Medicine, says the latest findings are disappointing.

"This study reveals two reasons to be skeptical of fish oil for depression -- the effect is small and even this small effect only applies to a limited group of people," he said.

But despite the lack of conclusive data on fish oil as an antidepressant, it has been shown to prevent cardiac disease so the supplement may still have some benefits, he added.

Lesperance told Reuters that more studies are needed to illustrate a clear link between fish oil and treating depression. He also said the findings from his study may not apply to fish oil supplements found on the market because of the varying EPA and DHA formulas.
More on Depression:
Surprising Causes of Depression (http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-center/depression/causes-surprising)
Natural Ways to Beat the Blues (http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-center/depression/natural-remedies)

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HereToStudy
07-06-2010, 11:18 AM
Interesting quick read.

I would honestly say though, that although Fish Oil wasn't found to be super effective, this might give reason to reasses how depression is diagnosed. Seems to be a drastic difference between the group that was just "depressed" and those that were "depressed" and had "anxiety disorders." Maybe the correlation between the two, and their response to things such as fish oil acting differently, shows that the core cause of the depressions may actually be significantly different.

Oh well, Im rambling.

Chris Pearce
07-06-2010, 12:32 PM
Interesting quick read.

I would honestly say though, that although Fish Oil wasn't found to be super effective, this might give reason to reasses how depression is diagnosed. Seems to be a drastic difference between the group that was just "depressed" and those that were "depressed" and had "anxiety disorders." Maybe the correlation between the two, and their response to things such as fish oil acting differently, shows that the core cause of the depressions may actually be significantly different.

Oh well, Im rambling.

I was thinking that myself.

musclemilf
07-06-2010, 02:59 PM
Interesting Read:

By Mallory Creveling (http://www.aolhealth.com/bloggers/mallory-creveling) Jul 2nd 2010 12:27PM
Categories: News (http://www.aolhealth.com/categories/news/)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aolhealth.com/media/2010/07/fish-oil-capsules-fight-depression-240kk.jpgFish oil may do more than improve heart health. There's compelling new evidence that it can also help heal the blues.

In the latest study on depression and fish oil, half the participants said their symptoms got better after taking supplements, according to Reuters (http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/2010/07/01/eline/links/20100701elin003.html).

The other half of the 432 patients who didn't benefit from fish oil had also been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder.

The University of Montreal study is the largest to date on the effects of omega-3 fatty acids on symptoms of depression.

Dr. Francois Lesperance and his colleagues tested a fish-oil capsule with a high ratio of eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) to docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) -- the two main forms of omega-3 fat.

They provided 1,050 milligrams per day of the EPA and 150 milligrams per day of the DHA to the patients who were each diagnosed with at least moderate depression. About 40 percent of the participants were also taking antidepressants, Reuters reported.

The researchers randomly assigned the participants to take either the fish oil supplements or a placebo containing vegetable oil every day for eight weeks.

They also provided the patients with a questionnaire asking about the severity of their symptoms at the start of the study, published in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry (http://www.psychiatrist.com/), and several times throughout.
The study authors said they did not find promising results between those who took the fish oil and those who took the placebo when analyzing everyone from both groups. But they did find that the symptoms of those with depression and no anxiety improved significantly, according to Reuters. Antidepressants did not affect the findings.

Those whose symptoms weren't helped by the fish oil had other anxiety-related syndromes like post traumatic stress disorder (http://www.aolhealth.com/health-concern/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-special-1), phobias, panic disorder or generalized anxiety (http://www.aolhealth.com/symptom/anxiety-symptom-1).
Scientists are unsure as to how omega-3 acids may affect depression, but some say they may be involved in the function of certain brain chemicals and their anti-inflammatory properties may help, according to Reuters.

Most research on the effects of fish oil on depression has produced conflicting results. A number of previous studies have looked at omega-3 fatty acids as a treatment on their own, while others have tested them in combination with antidepressants.

Dr. Daniel Carlat (http://www.aolhealth.com/.../meet-mental-health-expert-dr-daniel-carlat/), an AOL Medical Advisory Board member and an associate clinical professor of psychiatry at Tufts University School of Medicine, says the latest findings are disappointing.

"This study reveals two reasons to be skeptical of fish oil for depression -- the effect is small and even this small effect only applies to a limited group of people," he said.

But despite the lack of conclusive data on fish oil as an antidepressant, it has been shown to prevent cardiac disease so the supplement may still have some benefits, he added.

Lesperance told Reuters that more studies are needed to illustrate a clear link between fish oil and treating depression. He also said the findings from his study may not apply to fish oil supplements found on the market because of the varying EPA and DHA formulas.
More on Depression:
Surprising Causes of Depression (http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-center/depression/causes-surprising)
Natural Ways to Beat the Blues (http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-center/depression/natural-remedies)

Taken from AOL.com: http://www.aolhealth.com/2010/07/02/fish-oil-may-help-with-depression/?icid=main%7Cmain%7Cdl3%7Clink4%7Chttp%253A%252F%2 52Fwww.aolhealth.com%252F2010%252F07%252F02%252Ffi sh-oil-may-help-with-depression%252F

I have to find the write up where it states fish oil has an impact on the dopamine levels in the brain (perhaps better for ADHD). For me, fish oil helps but it's not a panacea. But the overall benefits are enough to not stop taking it. Also effectiveness is really dependent on the DHA and EPA ratios and the grade of the fish oil. Personally, I don't waste my money on drug store or walmart fish oil. I use pharmaceutical grade only with a 1000mgs DHA and 1500 EPA split.

apex23
07-06-2010, 08:27 PM
What brands do you use? Now or True Protein?

lartinos
07-06-2010, 08:41 PM
great article, thanks.

GENESIS
07-06-2010, 08:57 PM
What brands do you use? Now or True Protein?

neither!

GNC's Triple strength Fish Oil.

apex23
07-07-2010, 08:21 PM
Good Choice....I actually have this in my pantry. This is the only product I buy from GNC from time to time.

GENESIS
07-07-2010, 08:33 PM
Good Choice....I actually have this in my pantry. This is the only product I buy from GNC from time to time.

Good to hear! If the GNC's in your town ran theirs like i do mine, (im a franchisee) i bet you would get all your supplements there. ;)

Chris Pearce
07-07-2010, 09:58 PM
Ya. A couple months ago there was a news report that companies like "NOW" and other non-pharma. grade Fish Oils capsules had PCBs (linked to cancer) in them.


Lawsuit claims PCBs found in 10 fish oil supplements; product labeling sought

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14501591?nclick_check=1

So, only pharma-grade fish oils for me....

lartinos
07-07-2010, 11:08 PM
Somebody who was selling bulk of that was screwed for many reasons.

GENESIS
07-08-2010, 04:11 AM
Ya. A couple months ago there was a news report that companies like "NOW" and other non-pharma. grade Fish Oils capsules had PCBs (linked to cancer) in them.


Lawsuit claims PCBs found in 10 fish oil supplements; product labeling sought

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14501591?nclick_check=1

So, only pharma-grade fish oils for me....

The products listed are cod and shark liver oil.


10 PRODUCTS TESTED
n Nature Made cod liver oil and odorless fish oil; manufacturer Pharmavite LLC in Northridge
n Twinlab Norwegian cod liver oil and emulsified Norwegian cod liver oil; manufactured in American Fork, Utah
n Now Foods shark liver oil, double strength cod liver oil and salmon oil; manufactured in Bloomingdale, Ill.
n Solgar 100 percent pure Norwegian shark liver oil complex and Norwegian cod liver oil; manufactured in Leonia, N.J.
n GNC liquid Norwegian cod liver oil; manufactured in Pittsburgh
Lab tests of these 10 fish oil supplements containing omega-3 fatty acids found they contain some of the 209 polychlorinated biphenyl compounds known to cause cancer and birth defects.

Those fish, because of their location on the food chain, should have a higher Mercury content by nature, no? This study basically calls a Lion the king of the jungle, but in a different context.

Youngguns
07-08-2010, 06:45 AM
GNC uses are cheapest garbage ingredients, I'd never use them.

HereToStudy
07-08-2010, 11:08 AM
Ya. A couple months ago there was a news report that companies like "NOW" and other non-pharma. grade Fish Oils capsules had PCBs (linked to cancer) in them.


Lawsuit claims PCBs found in 10 fish oil supplements; product labeling sought

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14501591?nclick_check=1

So, only pharma-grade fish oils for me....

I have been using Orange Oximega from Controlled Labs. They actually released the PCB information on another forum I visit, and I am not sure if the rules here allow me to link to it, but I will copy the information here:


PCB Lab Test Now Up!

http://www.controlledlabs.com/pdf/P2070_cert.%20of%20analysis%20total%20pcb.pdf

We are at only 29% of the limit for California (the strictest PCB enforcement in the USA) per serving (with its high potency you get a lot of dha/epa per serving thereby making the amount of PCB per mg of epa/dha ingested even lower in orange oximega fish oil compared to most other formulas). we are at 1.3% of the limit set by FDA. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif

For Reference:
FDA upper limit is 2000 ng/g
upper limit for California is 90 ng/g
CRN and WHO are also much higher limits compared to California

also, most fish (salmon, talapia, tuna, etc) in the food chain has MUCH higher levels of PCB than most fish oils on the market and lower dha/epa per gram.

Wrex
07-08-2010, 02:34 PM
AHHHH! I use the nature made oderless fish oil!

GuidedByScience
07-09-2010, 01:00 AM
I use wholemega


def a lot of studies out there regarding fish oil and depression

Chris Pearce
07-09-2010, 12:20 PM
I use wholemega


def a lot of studies out there regarding fish oil and depression

I've never heard of this benefit (although I should). Being in the psychological field, I thought it was quite interesting. I'll have to look up and read some of the research.

I use it mainly to minimize inflammation, for the added benefits to cardiovascular health, and I think it does wonders for my skin.

GuidedByScience
07-12-2010, 01:32 AM
I've never heard of this benefit (although I should). Being in the psychological field, I thought it was quite interesting. I'll have to look up and read some of the research.

I use it mainly to minimize inflammation, for the added benefits to cardiovascular health, and I think it does wonders for my skin.


I suppose since it has so many other pronounced effects some others go under the radar,I always tell clients/patients that it is vital for young children for the childs focus which is another "under the radar" benefit.

like you said inflamation,cardiovascular,etc.. those are all the big ones.

the studies and research is there for sure!

GENESIS
07-12-2010, 02:10 PM
GNC uses are cheapest garbage ingredients, I'd never use them.

LOL! right....

apex23
07-12-2010, 08:30 PM
GNC uses are cheapest garbage ingredients, I'd never use them.


What are you basing this on??? Come on man...