Who are the weakest bodybuilders?

[barbellman]

Strength wise...

I watched Ed Nunn lift, he's the man, but damn is he weak, cannot incline 275 hardly.

Flex Wheeler is another that comes to mind.

and don't say "oh its bodybuilding who cares what they lift"

Rock hard dense muscle requires HEAVY compound movements, not this pussy cable weight "pumping" bullshit. Many bodybuilders built their foundations in powerlifting to get freaky muscle.


Now who's on the list?

[Aditya]

not every bodybuilder has what it takes to handle freakish amounts of weights.

not every powerlifter has what it takes to develop round muscle bellies and striated glutes

[Rtotem]

I would have to say that on the balance of probabilities, bodybuilders who choose to lift Styrofoam weights, are generally the weakest.

But that's just my opinion, so don't quote me on this ;)

[GottaGetLean]

Strength wise...

I watched Ed Nunn lift, he's the man, but damn is he weak, cannot incline 275 hardly.

Flex Wheeler is another that comes to mind.

and don't say "oh its bodybuilding who cares what they lift"

Rock hard dense muscle requires HEAVY compound movements, not this pussy cable weight "pumping" bullshit. Many bodybuilders built their foundations in powerlifting to get freaky muscle.


Now who's on the list?

its bodybuilding who cares... lol

[Ryan Wacht]

Strength wise...

I watched Ed Nunn lift, he's the man, but damn is he weak, cannot incline 275 hardly.

Flex Wheeler is another that comes to mind.

and don't say "oh its bodybuilding who cares what they lift"

Rock hard dense muscle requires HEAVY compound movements, not this pussy cable weight "pumping" bullshit. Many bodybuilders built their foundations in powerlifting to get freaky muscle.


Now who's on the list?

Well, I think Flex lifted light out of laziness more then anything else. I say this because I remember reading articles back in the early 90's about how heavy him, cormier and rico mcclinton used to train. From what I gather, Lee Haney never trained all that heavy, he was more about moderation then anything else with his "stimulate, not annihilate motto".

[MiamiMadePunk]

Strength wise...

I watched Ed Nunn lift, he's the man, but damn is he weak, cannot incline 275 hardly.

Flex Wheeler is another that comes to mind.

and don't say "oh its bodybuilding who cares what they lift"

Rock hard dense muscle requires HEAVY compound movements, not this pussy cable weight "pumping" bullshit. Many bodybuilders built their foundations in powerlifting to get freaky muscle.


Now who's on the list?
Basic rule of thumb, if the bodybuilder lifts pussy weights and weighs 260-300+ pounds shreaded, then is all the AAS doing all the work.

[Ryan Wacht]

Basic rule of thumb, if the bodybuilder lifts pussy weights and weighs 260-300+ pounds shreaded, then is all the AAS doing all the work.


Paul ***cough cough*** Dillet maybe...

[Michael K. Scott]

if the muscle is growing, then thats all that matters....

[Overtrained]

if the muscle is growing, then thats all that matters....


^^this^^..........50lbs or 250lbs, your muscles have no idea what that number means. Its all about resistance:yep:

[Big'Un]

^^this^^..........50lbs or 250lbs, your muscles have no idea what that number means. Its all about resistance:yep:

Exactly!

[Ryan Wacht]

if the muscle is growing, then thats all that matters....

I feel the same way about my throbbing member..

[PeterDolan]

^^this^^..........50lbs or 250lbs, your muscles have no idea what that number means. Its all about resistance:yep:

Sorry but fuck that, your body knows the difference between a 200kg and a 250kg squat

[MiamiMadePunk]

Sorry but fuck that, your body knows the difference between a 200kg and a 250kg squat
^^^
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[Timbo89]

Sorry but fuck that, your body knows the difference between a 200kg and a 250kg squat

No, it doesn't. I could do 200KG in a way that makes a 250kg squat seem easy. There are different methods to make less weight do more. Like time under tension and such.

[Mr.Bones]

Strength wise...

I watched Ed Nunn lift, he's the man, but damn is he weak, cannot incline 275 hardly.

Flex Wheeler is another that comes to mind.

and don't say "oh its bodybuilding who cares what they lift"

Rock hard dense muscle requires HEAVY compound movements, not this pussy cable weight "pumping" bullshit. Many bodybuilders built their foundations in powerlifting to get freaky muscle.


Now who's on the list?


DO you always talk out of your ass????

Flex inclined 490 down to his fucking chest, curled 90's easily etc.

And Ed Nunn lifts the way he does, because he knows it's not hard training at his age that will net gains, it is smart training.

[Michael K. Scott]

Sorry but fuck that, your body knows the difference between a 200kg and a 250kg squat

lol

[ThePoser]

In one of Flex's vids he lifts pretty heavy!

I don't think Shawn Ray was weak, but he said he had a VERY weak grip

[Bowser1]

they dont want to risk injury bro, they get paid year round to do this and there is no insurance if u get hurt. by this logic jay cutler is weak cuz in the recent md he says he dosnt go heavy any more. no point. he then states that if it makes people feel better that they can lift more than mr olympia so be it....but who's the better body builder? lol i have to agree with that. why risk your livelyhood for an injury (specially if ur in contest shape) these guys that claim" i train smart and leave my ego at the door!" then throw 500 plus on a bar

[Aaron Singerman]

DO you always talk out of your ass????

Flex inclined 490 down to his fucking chest, curled 90's easily etc.

And Ed Nunn lifts the way he does, because he knows it's not hard training at his age that will net gains, it is smart training.

You sure Flex inclined 5 plates??? I think maybe you are mixing up Flex and Chris Cormier.

[Mr.Bones]

You sure Flex inclined 5 plates??? I think maybe you are mixing up Flex and Chris Cormier.

According to him, yes.

[Aaron Singerman]

According to him, yes.

I'll ask Chris...

[Rep300]

I've been bodybuilding for 21 years, and the best bodybuilders are the ones who can understand that heavy is relative to the individual.

It's the rep range that dictates what is heavy to me.

Assuming form and rep tempo are the same:
If I incline 315 for 6-8 reps, max....And another guy inclines 350 for 15 reps easy, then I train heavier than he does. Get it? I'd be the one hitting failure in the lower rep ranges. It's not about the weight, it's about the intensity and level of effort.

He'd be way stronger than me, but it wouldn't mean his training was "heavier", in fact it was quite light relative to his strength.

There are individuals that are incredibly talented in the strength dept. but it doesn't mean they have intensity.

[doubleogordo]

You sure Flex inclined 5 plates??? I think maybe you are mixing up Flex and Chris Cormier.
dude your name is pink

[barbellman]

DO you always talk out of your ass????

Flex inclined 490 down to his fucking chest, curled 90's easily etc.

And Ed Nunn lifts the way he does, because he knows it's not hard training at his age that will net gains, it is smart training.



Post a video or STFU

Flex Wheeler never inclined 490, hell I've never even seen him incline 405 or anything close to it..

[Michael K. Scott]

Post a video or STFU

Flex Wheeler never inclined 490, hell I've never even seen him incline 405 or anything close to it..

Just because you dont see someone do it, does not mean they arent able too.

Your whole talk of powerlifting for freaky muscle and heavy compound movements is the only way for hard dense muscle sounds soo...how should should I say...Cut and Paste....yeah...

[JAM]

If strength mattered then Stan Efferding might be placing a little higher than 14th...but then again Ronnie Coleman contends for the greatest of all time and was strong as hell so who knows.
Off the top of my head the only guys that surprised me with lighter weight than I expected were Dexter Jackson and Milos Sarcev.

[Snacks]

I've been bodybuilding for 21 years, and the best bodybuilders are the ones who can understand that heavy is relative to the individual.

It's the rep range that dictates what is heavy to me.

Assuming form and rep tempo are the same:
If I incline 315 for 6-8 reps, max....And another guy inclines 350 for 15 reps easy, then I train heavier than he does. Get it? I'd be the one hitting failure in the lower rep ranges. It's not about the weight, it's about the intensity and level of effort.

He'd be way stronger than me, but it wouldn't mean his training was "heavier", in fact it was quite light relative to his strength.

There are individuals that are incredibly talented in the strength dept. but it doesn't mean they have intensity.

I like the way this guy thinks.

[Shadow]

Post a video or STFU

Flex Wheeler never inclined 490, hell I've never even seen him incline 405 or anything close to it..

Here's 405. I'll look for 495.

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[Michael K. Scott]

^
pwned

Post a video or STFU

Flex Wheeler never inclined 490, hell I've never even seen him incline 405 or anything close to it..

[Sledge]

a bodybuilder who doesn't lift heavy is a fake

[Ibarramedia]

Weakest in terms of what weight? The 400+ pounds for reps that are being thrown out here are still too much for the general population. I guess what makes a weight heavy or light is relative. Some FBBs can put up great numbers like 315 benches but that is their max. If it is weaker compared to Powerlifters, Olympic lifter and strongman competitors or even football players it is because they have a different training scheme. Strength increase is a by product of the weight training for bodybuilders not the end all be all like the Powerlifters, Olympic Lifter and Strongman competitors.

[Mike Yablon]

DO you always talk out of your ass????

Flex inclined 490 down to his fucking chest, curled 90's easily etc.

And Ed Nunn lifts the way he does, because he knows it's not hard training at his age that will net gains, it is smart training.
I agree this guy is clueless..Flex lifted very heavy...

[Sandpig]

I agree with Mike.
TBS is the weakest MF'r alive!

[machine]

Strength wise...

I watched Ed Nunn lift, he's the man, but damn is he weak, cannot incline 275 hardly.

Flex Wheeler is another that comes to mind.

and don't say "oh its bodybuilding who cares what they lift"

Rock hard dense muscle requires HEAVY compound movements, not this pussy cable weight "pumping" bullshit. Many bodybuilders built their foundations in powerlifting to get freaky muscle.


Now who's on the list?

I really do not agree with this statement at all. Sure there are some people that have built world class physiques using bone crushing weights, but most have in time, injured themselves. I believe it requires genetics more than anything.

Recently I have actually been working with more bodybuilders that just go for a crazy pump and burn. I truly thik this is much better for everyone over the long run...I have already been paying for my stupid ego lifts while training in college.

I dont want to make it seem like what you are saying is wrong, but i think we all respond to different stimuli. For example my chest and arms grow from heavy weight...but my legs and delts ONLY have seen growth with less weight, higher reps and shorter rests between sets.

[Mr.Bones]

Also according to flex, he never competed at over 225.

With that weight he used, and his bodyweight I think it's fair to say he may be one of the strongest pound for pound bbers ever.

[UriahMcGee]

Also according to flex, he never competed at over 225.

With that weight he used, and his bodyweight I think it's fair to say he may be one of the strongest pound for pound bbers ever.
he did compete heavier than 225

[Mr.Bones]

he did compete heavier than 225

Not according to him when I asked him.

[Ibarramedia]

I really do not agree with this statement at all. Sure there are some people that have built world class physiques using bone crushing weights, but most have in time, injured themselves. I believe it requires genetics more than anything.

Recently I have actually been working with more bodybuilders that just go for a crazy pump and burn. I truly thik this is much better for everyone over the long run...I have already been paying for my stupid ego lifts while training in college.

I dont want to make it seem like what you are saying is wrong, but i think we all respond to different stimuli. For example my chest and arms grow from heavy weight...but my legs and delts ONLY have seen growth with less weight, higher reps and shorter rests between sets.


What kind of poundages were you using or do you use?

[BuffGuy]

a bodybuilder who doesn't lift heavy is a fake

lol, bodybuilder's who lift light and are huge are real!

[Aaron Singerman]

Also according to flex, he never competed at over 225.

With that weight he used, and his bodyweight I think it's fair to say he may be one of the strongest pound for pound bbers ever.

Ok, I spoke to Chris Cormier... and you were right about how strong Flex was. I was surprised to hear that Chris had actually witnessed Flex press 455lbs (4 plates and a 25) on incline barbell.

You are wrong about his contest weight however. He got his pro card weighing less than 225, but competed over 225 at almost every pro contest he did. He weighed over 250lbs at the 99 British Grand Prix... His heaviest contest weight ever.

[The Big Sexy]

I agree with Mike.
TBS is the weakest MF'r alive!

Every morning when I wake up, I say this 10 times in the mirror... it gets me going for my day.

[Aaron Singerman]

dude your name is pink

Don't be jealouzzz...

[The Big Sexy]

Ok, I spoke to Chris Cormier... and you were right about how strong Flex was. I was surprised to hear that Chris had actually witnessed Flex press 455lbs (4 plates and a 25) on incline barbell.

You are wrong about his contest weight however. He got his pro card weighing less than 225, but competed over 225 at almost every pro contest he did. He weighed over 250lbs at the 99 British Grand Prix... His heaviest contest weight ever.

I just spoke to Ronnie Coleman... he said Flex ain't nothing but a peanut.

[chris mason]

Yeah, Flex was known to be a strong presser.

For all of those who say who cares etc. A MAJOR point that ALL bodybuilders need to consider is that a percentage (which varies individually and then situationally for the individual) of ALL HYPERTROPHY will be the result of an increase in the size of the contractile myofibrils which means an increase in strength. What that means is that every bodybuilder should try to get stronger using their target rep range and good form. That is the ONLY way to optimize hypertrophy.

For all the bro science gurus there is no arguing this point. It is an immutable fact.

[The Big Sexy]

Yeah, Flex was known to be a strong presser.

For all of those who say who cares etc. A MAJOR point that ALL bodybuilders need to consider is that a percentage (which varies individually and then situationally for the individual) of ALL HYPERTROPHY will be the result of an increase in the size of the contractile myofibrils which means an increase in strength. What that means is that every bodybuilder should try to get stronger using their target rep range and good form. That is the ONLY way to optimize hypertrophy.

For all the bro science gurus there is no arguing this point. It is an immutable fact.

You just destroyed everyone... I don't know if anyone can argue an "immutable fact" - that's fucking powerful shit there.

[machine]

What kind of poundages were you using or do you use?

In the past I have gone as heavy as 405 for incline press (horrible form, maybe one actual rep and two from a spotter), I could legitimately do flies with 125 dumbells and 100lb dumbell curls. But now I dont go above 245 for incline presses and I rarely go over 70lbs dumbell shoulder presses.

I know you will love this Ibar I worked with Alina Popa over the weekend. She has some of IF NOT the best legs in the sport today and trains light for a pump (wait till you guys see the video). Truly one of the standout female bodybuilders in the sport today. Her structure and size are one of the best in the world. I think once Iris retires Alina will be the next Ms O. We talked about her prep for the Arnold, in which she owned up to making some mistakes that she will never make again. Watch for her to improve upon her Arnold placing this year...

[Aaron Singerman]

I just spoke to Ronnie Coleman... he said Flex ain't nothing but a peanut.

I bet you wish your blue was pink (but you had the same blue powers).

[The Big Sexy]

I bet you wish your blue was pink (but you had the same blue powers).

Actually I wish my blue had burning flame animation and smoke coming off it because I'm En Fuego

[The Big Sexy]

......

If I could be as on time as my pictures on threads of this nature (or not even of this nature) I would be the most on-time, on-point MF in the planet. This train is never late! lol

[Aaron Singerman]

In the past I have gone as heavy as 405 for incline press (horrible form, maybe one actual rep and two from a spotter), I could legitimately do flies with 125 dumbells and 100lb dumbell curls. But now I dont go above 245 for incline presses and I rarely go over 70lbs dumbell shoulder presses.



100lbs dumbell curls?! Damn Chris... You and I need to do a in the Iron Asylum video! When can we schedule this?

[Aaron Singerman]

Actually I wish my blue had burning flame animation and smoke coming off it because I'm En Fuego

Don't be ridiculous... that's impossible... Even for the great SallyAnne.

(Did you have an early morning toke this AM?)

[Ibarramedia]

In the past I have gone as heavy as 405 for incline press (horrible form, maybe one actual rep and two from a spotter), I could legitimately do flies with 125 dumbells and 100lb dumbell curls. But now I dont go above 245 for incline presses and I rarely go over 70lbs dumbell shoulder presses.

I know you will love this Ibar I worked with Alina Popa over the weekend. She has some of IF NOT the best legs in the sport today and trains light for a pump (wait till you guys see the video). Truly one of the standout female bodybuilders in the sport today. Her structure and size are one of the best in the world. I think once Iris retires Alina will be the next Ms O. We talked about her prep for the Arnold, in which she owned up to making some mistakes that she will never make again. Watch for her to improve upon her Arnold placing this year...


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Alina for the win. She is one of many I have in mind. I also posted a few of her pics in RX somewhere. I might be able to do 80 pound dumbbell concentration curls. Maybe not 100 yet... You never did flat bench?

[The Big Sexy]

Don't be ridiculous... that's impossible... Even for the great SallyAnne.

(Did you have an early morning toke this AM?)

LOL @ early morning and toke in same sentence. Define the parameters of "early" morning...

[Aaron Singerman]

LOL @ early morning and toke in same sentence. Define the parameters of "early" morning...

Early morning for me is like 10am-ish. U?

[machine]

I can still do the curls...not much else heavy :) crazy thing is, even though I'm training much lighter i def got into the best shape of my life this yr at 33 not contest shape, but not too far off from it either. I was traveling and eating all your left overs at the contests Aaron. I just wanted to live life and have fun ;) ...

[Aaron Singerman]

I can still do the curls...not much else heavy :) crazy thing is, even though I'm training much lighter i def got into the best shape of my life this yr at 33 not contest shape, but not too far off from it either. I was traveling and eating all your left overs at the contests Aaron. I just wanted to live life and have fun ;) ...

LOL... You didn't just eat all my left overs... you ate EVERYONE'S left overs!

So, you down for a In The Iron Asylum?! Can you keep up?! Decemeber 11th in NY for the Bros Vs Pros Grand Championship... BE THERE, Zimm!

[The Big Sexy]

I've seen Zimmerman in person... all I can say is... Photoshopped. Although, he's a good kisser... I mean, or... so I've hard... i mean, heard... (SORRY CHRIS!)

[ob205]

Yeah, Flex was known to be a strong presser.

For all of those who say who cares etc. A MAJOR point that ALL bodybuilders need to consider is that a percentage (which varies individually and then situationally for the individual) of ALL HYPERTROPHY will be the result of an increase in the size of the contractile myofibrils which means an increase in strength. What that means is that every bodybuilder should try to get stronger using their target rep range and good form. That is the ONLY way to optimize hypertrophy.

For all the bro science gurus there is no arguing this point. It is an immutable fact.


Chris, I agree with the statement but don't you feel that "assistance" totally skews the results. Yes, for a natural to achieve any size they must be able to use some decent weight, but "using" I see plenty of examples in the gym who achieve some good size without the corresponding strength.

Also, while strength correlates to the contractile myofribils, I don't believe it does to the "sarcoplasmic hypertrophy" effect, which is probably greatly affected by AAS.

[HeavyDutyGuy]

100lbs dumbell curls?! Damn Chris... You and I need to do a in the Iron Asylum video! When can we schedule this?

Heck I can get those. And cheat curls with the 125's.

[Aaron Singerman]

Also, while strength correlates to the contractile myofribils, I don't believe it does to the "sarcoplasmic hypertrophy" effect, which is probably greatly affected by AAS.

Yeah! What he said!

[Aaron Singerman]

Heck I can get those. And cheat curls with the 125's.

Wow... 100lbs dumbbell curls is pretty impressive. I can do the 80s for 12... 90s for a few... I might be able to 100s for 1 or 2... but I dunno.

[The Big Sexy]

Video of any sort of lift or it never happened. NEVER HAPPENED. There, I said it. It is just the way it goes yo! ;)

[HeavyDutyGuy]

Aaron its mostly attitude- actually kinda weird, last year I was training for the Masters and one of my prospective competitors was talking about curling the 80's... so I said I can beat that, so worked up to the 80's and then kept trying 5 lbs more for a few reps... and next thing you know the 100's were going up... (long biceps help with shorter upper arms to forearm ratios).

[machine]

LOL... You didn't just eat all my left overs... you ate EVERYONE'S left overs!

So, you down for a In The Iron Asylum?! Can you keep up?! Decemeber 11th in NY for the Bros Vs Pros Grand Championship... BE THERE, Zimm!

WHA WHA WHAT? What is this one about? I will be in Mexico for a week doing a shoot though...shiiiiiiit!!!!

[Aaron Singerman]

Video of any sort of lift or it never happened. NEVER HAPPENED. There, I said it. It is just the way it goes yo! ;)

That is true... I have a year old video of me doing seated curls with the 80s... I think for 10 reps...

I'm hoping to participate in the next Bros vs Pros... So that will definitely be on video. If we are doing 225 on military press, I will do pretty well... Or incline Barbell 315... I just want to beat Jeff the Producer in some lift and I will be happy.

[Aaron Singerman]

Aaron its mostly attitude- actually kinda weird, last year I was training for the Masters and one of my prospective competitors was talking about curling the 80's... so I said I can beat that, so worked up to the 80's and then kept trying 5 lbs more for a few reps... and next thing you know the 100's were going up... (long biceps help with shorter upper arms to forearm ratios).


I'll have to give it a shot today... It's arm day.

[Aaron Singerman]

WHA WHA WHAT? What is this one about? I will be in Mexico for a week doing a shoot though...shiiiiiiit!!!!

December 11th?! Dude... Well, I'm sure Mexico will be more fun.

[machine]

December 11th?! Dude... Well, I'm sure Mexico will be more fun.

It's going to be a mix of fun and work. I'm going out to shoot a wedding, which is a lot more stressful than regular shoots.
But the wedding party is full of IFBB Pros... <cough cough, name dropper, cough cough> Taylor Waldrop, Phil Heath, Abbie Burrows. So it's going to be wedding shoots, then beach photoshoots, then a few extra days to relax. :yep:

[TooPowerful4u]

You just destroyed everyone... I don't know if anyone can argue an "immutable fact" - that's fucking powerful shit there.

Ya?

So Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy plays no role in bobybuilding?.....like volume and fullness/roundness? Won't make you Phil Heath round, but will optimize the fullness/roundness you can attain for your own physique......

Hence....reps are important also......

myofibril for mass, sarcoplasmic for optimal polish and fullness/roundness...both important.....

:D :angel:

[Aaron Singerman]

It's going to be a mix of fun and work. I'm going out to shoot a wedding, which is a lot more stressful than regular shoots.
But the wedding party is full of IFBB Pros... <cough cough, name dropper, cough cough> Taylor Waldrop, Phil Heath, Abbie Burrows. So it's going to be wedding shoots, then beach photoshoots, then a few extra days to relax. :yep:


Oh, Abbie Burrows... Tell her I said hi! lol...

[chris mason]

You just destroyed everyone... I don't know if anyone can argue an "immutable fact" - that's fucking powerful shit there.

It's a fact. WTF do you want? Would my point suit you better if I wore a goofy ass wig, took a picture, and then used that as my avatar? Maybe if I changed my name to The Big and Strong Sexy?

[MiamiMadePunk]

I can do the 80s for 12
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[LonelyPhallus]

^Horrible form for a guy 218 6'1 on stage.

[chris mason]

Chris, I agree with the statement but don't you feel that "assistance" totally skews the results. Yes, for a natural to achieve any size they must be able to use some decent weight, but "using" I see plenty of examples in the gym who achieve some good size without the corresponding strength.

Also, while strength correlates to the contractile myofribils, I don't believe it does to the "sarcoplasmic hypertrophy" effect, which is probably greatly affected by AAS.

You misunderstand what I said.

First, yes, tissue building drugs make a difference.

To your point, yes, some people, especially those who are using can train pretty light and get VERY big. With that said, if those same individuals got stronger in the same rep ranges that they currently use and with the same form, they would get even bigger. In other words, they have not tapped out their size potential if they do not try to increase their strength, again, not necessarily 1RM strength, strength in the rep ranges they use for their training (i.e. 10, 20 etc.). Does that make sense?

[chris mason]

Heck I can get those. And cheat curls with the 125's.

You have made some pretty big strength claims on this site over time. Have you ever posted a video of you doing anything like what you claim?

[chris mason]

Ya?

So Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy plays no role in bobybuilding?.....like volume and fullness/roundness? Won't make you Phil Heath round, but will optimize the fullness/roundness you can attain for your own physique......

Hence....reps are important also......

myofibril for mass, sarcoplasmic for optimal polish and fullness/roundness...both important.....

:D :angel:

Geez, please read what I said. You clearly did not understand it. I said SOME PERCENTAGE of any hypertrophy will be due to the contractile myofibrils thickening. That clearly leaves plenty of room for non-contractile hypertrophy. I also never stated anything about absolute strength, I said strength within the rep range that the trainee uses. That could be 5, 10, 15, 20+. Get it?

[Aaron Singerman]

^Horrible form for a guy 218 6'1 on stage.

You would expect more from a guy that's 6'1 218 on stage?

[LonelyPhallus]

You would expect more from a guy that's 6'1 218 on stage?

Yeah i am sorry that's really small.

[MiamiMadePunk]

Yeah i am sorry that's really small, but small enough to do the physique division next year.
fixed:)

[Jeremy24]

Strength wise...

I watched Ed Nunn lift, he's the man, but damn is he weak, cannot incline 275 hardly.

Flex Wheeler is another that comes to mind.

and don't say "oh its bodybuilding who cares what they lift"

Rock hard dense muscle requires HEAVY compound movements, not this pussy cable weight "pumping" bullshit. Many bodybuilders built their foundations in powerlifting to get freaky muscle.


Now who's on the list?

Heavy weight i relivant to the person lifting it jack ass. What light to you may be avy to someone else. enough said

[TooPowerful4u]

Geez, please read what I said. You clearly did not understand it. I said SOME PERCENTAGE of any hypertrophy will be due to the contractile myofibrils thickening. That clearly leaves plenty of room for non-contractile hypertrophy. I also never stated anything about absolute strength, I said strength within the rep range that the trainee uses. That could be 5, 10, 15, 20+. Get it?

Never once did i challenge you. I was more so teasing TBS so he would say something funny in reply to my post lol........

Actually, i whole heartedly agree with all of the above. Trust me, no need to break things down for me ;)

[PTB]

Well from video I've seen over the years, Vince Taylor always seemed to work out with lighter weights. I remember him on ESPN FLEX Workout w/Shawn Ray and this guy Duffy doing a bench workout, and while Shawn & Duffy did 100lb dumbells, Vince always did lighter - in the 70lb range. Plus he's always improvising using machines for different purposes.

So clearly pushing heavy weight wasn't his aim.

[MiamiMadePunk]

Well from video I've seen over the years, Vince Taylor always seemed to work out with lighter weights. I remember him on ESPN FLEX Workout w/Shawn Ray and this guy Duffy doing a bench workout, and while Shawn & Duffy did 100lb dumbells, Vince always did lighter - in the 70lb range. Plus he's always improvising using machines for different purposes.

So clearly pushing heavy weight wasn't his aim.
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[chris mason]

Never once did i challenge you. I was more so teasing TBS so he would say something funny in reply to my post lol........

Actually, i whole heartedly agree with all of the above. Trust me, no need to break things down for me ;)

Cheers!

[Mr.Bones]

Ok, I spoke to Chris Cormier... and you were right about how strong Flex was. I was surprised to hear that Chris had actually witnessed Flex press 455lbs (4 plates and a 25) on incline barbell.

You are wrong about his contest weight however. He got his pro card weighing less than 225, but competed over 225 at almost every pro contest he did. He weighed over 250lbs at the 99 British Grand Prix... His heaviest contest weight ever.

That lieing sob, he told me on a forum post that he never competed at over 225 ish

I will look for that post.

[MattyH7688]

The biggest guys are usually the strongest....Coleman, Yates, Kovacs.

People say Jay Cutler is weak, but if he wanted to I guarantee he would push insane weights. He just responds better to insane volume with perfect forum.

[Mr.Bones]

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Your a strong SOB Aaron, just squeeze that shit at the top to make em pop.

[Aaron Singerman]

The biggest guys are usually the strongest....Coleman, Yates, Kovacs.

People say Jay Cutler is weak, but if he wanted to I guarantee he would push insane weights. He just responds better to insane volume with perfect forum.


He did push insane weights, just doesn't anymore.

[Aaron Singerman]

Yeah i am sorry that's really small.

So what's worse? My form or my size? lol.

[The Big Sexy]

That is true... I have a year old video of me doing seated curls with the 80s... I think for 10 reps...

I'm hoping to participate in the next Bros vs Pros... So that will definitely be on video. If we are doing 225 on military press, I will do pretty well... Or incline Barbell 315... I just want to beat Jeff the Producer in some lift and I will be happy.

If there is ANY SORT of ROM requirement... you are going to be FUCKED in a lifting competition Aaron. :)

[The Big Sexy]

Ya?

So Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy plays no role in bobybuilding?.....like volume and fullness/roundness? Won't make you Phil Heath round, but will optimize the fullness/roundness you can attain for your own physique......

Hence....reps are important also......

myofibril for mass, sarcoplasmic for optimal polish and fullness/roundness...both important.....

:D :angel:

Last dude got one upped... not only more smart words, but also a reference to Phil Heath... which, is all I really got out of this, because I thought of Phil Heath and how awesome he is and then was like hitting side chest in the mirror.

[Barrett]

the weakest bodybuilders are the ones you see in lightweight classes at NANBF or NGA shows.

[fitzy]

Why do people find it so hard to answer the question?, who do you think is the weakest bodybuilder? not why are bodybuilders not as strong as powerlifters etc? just answer who you think is the weakest bodybuilder, is it so hard.
I would personally say a number of guys who come into gyms I work at I have seen 220 pound guys that are ripped struggle to do 225, then see skinny little brick layers do the same weight, some peoples genetics enable them to have a more developed nervous system then others

[Dee]

flex wheeler wasnt ronnie coleman with the weights, but i dont think he was "weak", if you saw his training vid "mass construction" filmed after the 95 olympia he was lifting some decent weight.......keeping in mind dude broke his neck in a couple places in 93.....

[Ryan Wacht]

he did compete heavier than 225

I had read that he was like 247 at the 1999 O when he was trying to chase Ronnie at the size game.

[Ryan Wacht]

Also according to flex, he never competed at over 225.

With that weight he used, and his bodyweight I think it's fair to say he may be one of the strongest pound for pound bbers ever.

Maybe he was refering to his highest competitive bodyweight minus synthol.

[barbellman]

maybe he was refering to his highest competitive bodyweight minus synthol.

lol

[Mr.Bones]

Maybe he was refering to his highest competitive bodyweight minus synthol.


How can you come out with these bogus claims with a physique like yours?

[Aaron Singerman]

If there is ANY SORT of ROM requirement... you are going to be FUCKED in a lifting competition Aaron. :)

You with ROM BS again! My ROM is FINE... Here in Texas, my ROM is considered excessive. Just watch a Branch Warren video and see for yourself!

We train together ONE time, and I get this for the rest of my life... lol.

[OMEGA]

The dudes that are super Strong ted to use alot of Trenbelone.

[OMEGA]

There is a weak correlation between size and strength

[Ryan Wacht]

There is a weak correlation between size and strength

Yeah, the smaller the size, the weaker the bodybuilders tend to be..

[Ryan Wacht]

How can you come out with these bogus claims with a physique like yours?

What does my physique (which I've never posted on here or anywhere) have to do with the fact that Valentino shot boatloads of synthol into his body?

[x100696]

I think Wheeler and Nun's physique speak for themselves.

[OMEGA]

Yeah, the smaller the size, the weaker the bodybuilders tend to be..

Strength goals should not be a goal in Bodybuilding
it should only be a side effect

[Ryan Wacht]

Strength goals should not be a goal in Bodybuilding
it should only be a side effect

Speak for yourself, a lot of us take pride in moving some serious weight around.

[meatheadio]

I think alot of the bigger bodybuilders really aren't that strong. Jay Cutler incline benching 315 for reps,big deal, he ways early that much. I can pump out my own bodyweight with much tighter form,but I dont look remotely close to what he does.

I personally like the bodybuilders who are also strong,like Steve Kuclo and Justin Harris. However alot of the strongest guys dont seem to do that well in competition.

[meatheadio]

Speak for yourself, a lot of us take pride in moving some serious weight around.

X2, strength can be used as a means of measuring progression. People assume getting stronger means very low reps, doubles and singles, but this is not the case. Getting stronger within rep range proven to build muscle. f you go from deadlifting 225 for 10 to 405 for 10 in a year, you can be damn sure you're going to have a bigger back,it has to adapt to cater to the stress.
This is one of the reasons I like DC training,if you break it down the key points are lifting progressively heavier weight, eating more food, and in turn getting bigger. Lift more,eat more,get bigger.

[barbellman]

X2, strength can be used as a means of measuring progression. People assume getting stronger means very low reps, doubles and singles, but this is not the case. Getting stronger within rep range proven to build muscle. f you go from deadlifting 225 for 10 to 405 for 10 in a year, you can be damn sure you're going to have a bigger back,it has to adapt to cater to the stress.
This is one of the reasons I like DC training,if you break it down the key points are lifting progressively heavier weight, eating more food, and in turn getting bigger. Lift more,eat more,get bigger.



x3, fuck "pumping" workouts. Hard and heavvvvvvvvvy, aint nothing but a peanut.

[Michael K. Scott]

different ways and journey's in the quest to get bigger

[Nic Brunicardi]

I don't know if they're "weak", but according the videos I've seen of Dexter and Melvin, they don't seem to like haulin' heavy iron around the gym.

*Edit: Both awesome physiques though...

[Cyanide]

Ya?

So Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy plays no role in bobybuilding?.....like volume and fullness/roundness? Won't make you Phil Heath round, but will optimize the fullness/roundness you can attain for your own physique......

Hence....reps are important also......

myofibril for mass, sarcoplasmic for optimal polish and fullness/roundness...both important.....

:D :angel:
exactly!!!! 4-6 reps for the myofibril growth. Which means HEAVY! Thats why they have quarter turns, so the people who dont lift heavy dissapear when they turn sideways.

[Cyanide]

You should get stronger and try to move as much weight as possible in all rep ranges. 4-6 reps for white fast twitch, 12-15 for red fast twitch, and 20-25 for red slow twitch. To many bodybuilders skip the 4-6 rep range and end up looking like the bowflex guy.

[Growin24/7]

I think Stan E. is pretty weak, i mean he's strong but nothing special...LOL

[MattyH7688]

I don't know if they're "weak", but according the videos I've seen of Dexter and Melvin, they don't seem to like haulin' heavy iron around the gym.

*Edit: Both awesome physiques though...

lol at dexter, stop talking out of your ass
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unless repping out 405 on bench like its nothing, is weak

[UriahMcGee]

You should get stronger and try to move as much weight as possible in all rep ranges. 4-6 reps for white fast twitch, 12-15 for red fast twitch, and 20-25 for red slow twitch. To many bodybuilders skip the 4-6 rep range and end up looking like the bowflex guy.
i choose to skip these rep ranges...your doing that many reps your going too light unless its a wamr up

[barbellman]

lol at dexter, stop talking out of your ass
Oe61ASH_XIc

unless repping out 405 on bench like its nothing, is weak


Looks like he's having problems stabalizing that?


Still, fucking strong for one of the "smaller" bodybuilders...and that is to say...he doesn't have to be 280 to take out the super giants, he can do it at 230-240 if not lighter..

[crossbellas]

I think that everyone goes through times of feeling really strong and times of being weaker than normal. I personally have seen times when, on the same week, lifted personal bests on monday with chest then on tues on back being not so strong. If you would have recorded a video that week you would have thought that I was weak in back exersizes

[HeavyDutyGuy]

Reps are almost irrelevant, its really tension (resistance) and TUT- time under tension oor TUL- Time under load. Reps are just a means to do this. You possibly could do all static contractions, but this doesnt work that great in practice

[The Big Sexy]

You with ROM BS again! My ROM is FINE... Here in Texas, my ROM is considered excessive. Just watch a Branch Warren video and see for yourself!

We train together ONE time, and I get this for the rest of my life... lol.

ladies and gentleman... I would like to call witness testimony of PJ Braun to the stand... PJ will testify as to Aaron's ROM as well.

Training is one thing - but if you are talking about a competition - that's another ball game!!! LOL :)

[Aaron Singerman]

ladies and gentleman... I would like to call witness testimony of PJ Braun to the stand... PJ will testify as to Aaron's ROM as well.

Training is one thing - but if you are talking about a competition - that's another ball game!!! LOL :)

Your honor, please allow me to approach the bench...

Let's see what Braun has to say!

[TigerUpperCut]

women!

[bigem225]

All I can say is Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia, watch his new training style:) it's not all that heavy.

[HeavyDutyGuy]

All I can say is Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia, watch his new training style:) it's not all that heavy.
And odds are noone on this board can come close to loooking like him no matter what they do. Lots of guys dont train heavy. Why aren't they huge too? Genetics, drugs and food.

[barbellman]

All I can say is Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia, watch his new training style:) it's not all that heavy.



Take a look at his older styles, he wasn't training like that and did train heavy.

He's fucking huge, he's basically maintaining size with higher reps and shitloads of drugs and new compounds

[Michael K. Scott]

Take a look at his older styles, he wasn't training like that and did train heavy.

He's fucking huge, he's basically maintaining size with higher reps and shitloads of drugs and new compounds

spoken like a true professional :yep:

[jacshelb]

So, this is on topic but not quite. Just an observation. I'm certainly not big by bodybuilding or strong by powerlifting standards or anything. I just like to train and do my thing and I started out rail thin, so any gains I make I'm happy with.

I don't flat bench anymore, but I incline db press and do decline barbells and dumbells. Recently I was giving a try at increasing my decline barbell strength and I worked up to 350 for 3 slow reps- a little shaky form, but no momentum. Now, that's damned good for me! But it's nothing for a lot of other people.

But, here's the weird part of my story. I go into the gym the next day after doing that and there's this big scary mofo in there working on the bench press. Now, this guy is 6'4" or 6'5" and probably 320 lbs or a bit bigger. Some fat, but mostly just intimidating looking. He's working his way up, chatting, and then adding more weight. When he gets to 315 he puts on these bands- neoprene sleeve on each arm with a piece running through the middle. Anyone seen these? Basically they are obviously going to do the work for you at the bottom of the movement to some extent. He then bounces out a few reps off his chest and that's all the further he goes. He looks spent. WTF? So you are benching your bodyweight with weird arm sleeve help? and that's it?

I still didn't say anything to him...

[crossbellas]

So, this is on topic but not quite. Just an observation. I'm certainly not big by bodybuilding or strong by powerlifting standards or anything. I just like to train and do my thing and I started out rail thin, so any gains I make I'm happy with.

I don't flat bench anymore, but I incline db press and do decline barbells and dumbells. Recently I was giving a try at increasing my decline barbell strength and I worked up to 350 for 3 slow reps- a little shaky form, but no momentum. Now, that's damned good for me! But it's nothing for a lot of other people.

But, here's the weird part of my story. I go into the gym the next day after doing that and there's this big scary mofo in there working on the bench press. Now, this guy is 6'4" or 6'5" and probably 320 lbs or a bit bigger. Some fat, but mostly just intimidating looking. He's working his way up, chatting, and then adding more weight. When he gets to 315 he puts on these bands- neoprene sleeve on each arm with a piece running through the middle. Anyone seen these? Basically they are obviously going to do the work for you at the bottom of the movement to some extent. He then bounces out a few reps off his chest and that's all the further he goes. He looks spent. WTF? So you are benching your bodyweight with weird arm sleeve help? and that's it?

I still didn't say anything to him...


I have some neoprene sleeves that I use when my tendonitis in my elbow is acting up, which is whenever I am coming off and start drying out.
Maybe that explains this guy? He could just be an idiot that watched too much roadrunner as a kid lol

[jacshelb]

I have some neoprene sleeves that I use when my tendonitis in my elbow is acting up, which is whenever I am coming off and start drying out.
Maybe that explains this guy? He could just be an idiot that watched too much roadrunner as a kid lol

lol @ roadrunner cartoons. Could be.

But, about your sleeves, do they have a thick, wide band in between them to help you press? I can't even find these online to even see what they are all about.

I am all about helping out and preventing joint pain- I have good sleeves for my knees, though I haven't used them in awhile. I'm not even knocking his device. It just seemed weird to be sooo damned big and bench so little. Maybe he's just a big dude and just getting back into it or starting out. Who knows.

[Ryan Wacht]

So, this is on topic but not quite. Just an observation. I'm certainly not big by bodybuilding or strong by powerlifting standards or anything. I just like to train and do my thing and I started out rail thin, so any gains I make I'm happy with.

I don't flat bench anymore, but I incline db press and do decline barbells and dumbells. Recently I was giving a try at increasing my decline barbell strength and I worked up to 350 for 3 slow reps- a little shaky form, but no momentum. Now, that's damned good for me! But it's nothing for a lot of other people.

But, here's the weird part of my story. I go into the gym the next day after doing that and there's this big scary mofo in there working on the bench press. Now, this guy is 6'4" or 6'5" and probably 320 lbs or a bit bigger. Some fat, but mostly just intimidating looking. He's working his way up, chatting, and then adding more weight. When he gets to 315 he puts on these bands- neoprene sleeve on each arm with a piece running through the middle. Anyone seen these? Basically they are obviously going to do the work for you at the bottom of the movement to some extent. He then bounces out a few reps off his chest and that's all the further he goes. He looks spent. WTF? So you are benching your bodyweight with weird arm sleeve help? and that's it?

I still didn't say anything to him...

Did he have long arms proportionate to the rest of his body? I have this issue and my bench has always been shit compared with the rest of my lifts..

[crossbellas]

lol @ roadrunner cartoons. Could be.

But, about your sleeves, do they have a thick, wide band in between them to help you press? I can't even find these online to even see what they are all about.

I am all about helping out and preventing joint pain- I have good sleeves for my knees, though I haven't used them in awhile. I'm not even knocking his device. It just seemed weird to be sooo damned big and bench so little. Maybe he's just a big dude and just getting back into it or starting out. Who knows.

No. mine are the regular sheik neoprene knee wraps and I just got large for my arms and xl for my knees. The immediately make you start sweating when you put them on so I thought it might help my tendonitis. They do help you at the bottom on your knees and elbows cuz they are thick. The only thing that really helped it was going back on test and adding deca and stretching at the wrist back and forth. On another note I trained with a guy that was 6-5 and around 350 lbs that looked like some biker on tv that couldn't do jack in the gym. big and useless! He was ok strong at wrestling or all over strength lifts though.

[bornonthebayou]

not trying to be a hater but al auguste was using 185 for sets on incline barbell bench in one of the videos he did this year.

[barbellman]

not trying to be a hater but al auguste was using 185 for sets on incline barbell bench in one of the videos he did this year.


Damn thats the lightest I've heard so far lol

[fdiesel]

lol at dexter, stop talking out of your ass
Oe61ASH_XIc

unless repping out 405 on bench like its nothing, is weak
what type of wraps is he using ? i remember seeing those in a few vids

[mdvsony]

what type of wraps is he using ? i remember seeing those in a few vids


versa gripps.

[fdiesel]

versa gripps.

thanks, would you by chance have a site that you recommend i order from?

whoa these r pretty expensive for straps

[MiamiMadePunk]

thanks, would you by chance have a site that you recommend i order from?

whoa these r pretty expensive for straps
http://store.versagripps.com/cart/category/0/Our_Store/
You will pay me reps

[fdiesel]

http://store.versagripps.com/cart/category/0/Our_Store/
You will pay me reps
sure ill give u some 0 reps lol tht was the site i was lookin at but $52? i think i know why my birthday presents gonna be :)

my wrist is like 6 1/2 an inch down from my hand...not sure whether to get the small or medium

[The Realist]

Seems to me the most aesthetically pleasing bodybuilders lift less. Ed Nunn, Flex Wheeler, etc.

[Nic Brunicardi]

lol at dexter, stop talking out of your ass

I've noticed the way you respond to people's posts here on the board, and I must say that it will come as a shock to me, if you don't get the title as member of the year! You're extremely eloquent.