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daft205
01-04-2011, 11:14 PM
Welcome to my phytoserms log! I will be running at least one bottle of phytoserms( mostly likely 2) at the recommended dose. I will being getting pre and post bloods done, aswell as including some before and after pics. I am really exited about the potential of this product and have high hopes for this run. I hope some of you guys will follow along.

An extra big thanks to Nate and RLS for this opportunity- it's much appreciated.

daft205
01-04-2011, 11:21 PM
I'll be getting my test levels measured( had a
full comprehensive panel done about six weeks ago) tomorrow morning. I'll be taking my first dose right afterwards and then to the gym. I'm ready to get this started!

Young Gotti
01-05-2011, 10:06 AM
in on this one....kill it bro

daft205
01-05-2011, 05:32 PM
About to pop the first dose- it's go time baby! I'll report back later. Also I'll see if I can't get some current pics up in the next day or so. Stay tuned.

daft205
01-06-2011, 03:18 AM
I guess I shoul probably include dome some stats so here we go:
Stats-
Bw-181
Ht-5'10"
Bf-unknown- maybe 10-11ish?

Current highlight/benchmark lifts-
Incline bench -225x 3sets x 6-8reps
Barbell row-265x 3 sets x 6-8reps
Squats- 265x 3sets x 6-8 reps
Flat bench- 260x 3 sets x 6-8 reps
Leg press- 675x 3 sets 6x 8 reps
*all exercise are performed in super strict form.

I hope to gain some strength over the next 4-8 weeks and will use numbers as my starting point. I've been building up to these numbers over the last 8 weeks and hope to keep gaining.

daft205
01-06-2011, 04:07 AM
Day-1
Alright fellas here's my starting pics, just a couple random shots, the lighting is terrible and im fresh out the shower no pump or anything, but whatever-


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/swtgurll/Mike/10511.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/swtgurll/Mike/10543.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/swtgurll/Mike/10526.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/swtgurll/Mike/10530.jpg

Young Gotti
01-06-2011, 10:38 AM
can't see pictures at work....however can't wait to see the results

daft205
01-06-2011, 11:26 PM
Day 2- nothing to report. I think anything noticed at this point would be purely placebo anyhow. Feel good, though and had a rippin chest workout went up 5lbs on my bench and got the same number of reps on all sets as last week. Had dome good numbers on incline too- overall just a very good session.

daft205
01-07-2011, 09:43 PM
Day 3- just had a great workout! I focused on deadlifts and got-
315x6
315x6
315x6
Then I did stiff legged for-
225x8
225x7
225x6
Then I pulled 405 for a single, felt good so I said f-it and tried 455- but failed- i was just too exhausted! Followed deads with a little ham detail work- but I was just fried, so I called it. Great workout though.
A couple things of note- seems some increased libido effects have started, also a bit of acne( both could be coincidence , but thought I'd mention).

daft205
01-09-2011, 01:51 PM
Day-4
Off day so nothing really to report. Just rested up and ate good.

"Rodz"
01-10-2011, 01:31 PM
Workouts look good man, enjoy the day off

Young Gotti
01-10-2011, 11:35 PM
finally got to see the pictures...shredded dude! nice...keep up the killer work

daft205
01-11-2011, 02:13 AM
Day 6-
Just had a great workout killed shoulders and set some pr's. Some highlights were-
Seated military-
135x10
155x8
175x6
185x6-pr*
Then did standing military
135x6
135x6
185x3pr*
followed by upright rows
135x6-3 sets
I wrapped up with some laterals. Rear delts, and shrugs. Great workout-feelin strong.

Weight update-
Start weight 1/3- 181.1
Today's weight 1/10- 184.3

daft205
01-14-2011, 01:46 AM
Day-7
Had another awesome workout-crushed back, set some pr's - everything seems to really be coming together for me. Highlights were-
Bent rows- 265x8, 275x7(pr),275x6(pr)
Dumbell row- 125x8, 125x8,125x7

Felt strong throughout and had a great pump.

daft205
01-14-2011, 01:46 AM
Day 8-
Super sore so I just took the day off, and ate up. Nothing else really of note. Some signs of elevated test( ie- libido, acne, oily skin, aggression), are noted, but nor overwhelming.

daft205
01-14-2011, 01:54 AM
Day 9-
Well strength and aggression are definitely going up- put up some great numbers and once again some pr's. Toddy was chest, highlights were-
Bench press-275x6, 275x6, 275x5+1 (pr's)
Incline bench- 235x5+1, 235x5+1, 235x4+2 ( pr's)

Found myself having a second and then third wind- tons of intensity. My training partner was like WTF? Lol. Yeah it was a good session.

"Rodz"
01-14-2011, 02:47 AM
Great lifts so far, lookin to see these numbers jump, nice trashing of your back!!!!!

daft205
01-14-2011, 03:25 AM
Thanks mike! Yeah I've been moving up in reps or weight pretty much every workout. I'm really happy with where my rows are at right now, feel like my back is really growing.

Young Gotti
01-14-2011, 10:24 AM
Found myself having a second and then third wind- tons of intensity. My training partner was like WTF? Lol. Yeah it was a good session.

Gotta love the second wind and endurance aspect of things

daft205
01-17-2011, 12:17 AM
Day 10, 11,12-
Did shoulders on Friday( my training partners idea) and it was brutal. My shoulders were already wrecked from going chest the previous day, but I ground it out and still had a great workout.
Took yesterday and today off and just layed low and tried squeeze a little extra grub in. Muscles feeling real full.

"Rodz"
01-17-2011, 03:25 AM
Good thinking man, be smart, rest when you need it

daft205
01-18-2011, 03:58 AM
Day 13-
Had a pretty good workout today- crushed legs. It was early, I only had a shake, and yet I still set some pr's- the main highlight was squats-
275x6
275x5
275x5
Plus, I didn't have my belt or my normal squat shoes, so I was pretty pumped to have done so well, all things considered.

So, increased test is some what evident- libido is raging, a little acne, great gym aggression and steady increases in strength- really pretty happy this far. Stay tuned.

Young Gotti
01-18-2011, 10:14 AM
looks good up in here...keep KTS

"Rodz"
01-18-2011, 07:09 PM
Great leg day, def this and next week it shold really be kicking in for you, keep eating and get your fluid intake up

daft205
01-19-2011, 01:44 AM
Day 14-
So today I decided to scale back a bit( joints are feelin pretty dry and achy) - and do a little more volume and higher rep range. Still had a great workout and put some good numbers up with highlight being-

Incline bench(guillotine style, with short rest periods)
185x15, 185x12,185x11

I was bummed we didn't go heavy today, but both my training partner I decided a little "break" was necessary.

daft205
01-22-2011, 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milas
Good log, I'm excited to try this out soon!!!

Really strong lifts at your bodyweight. Pics show why too!

I'm looking forward to seeing the bloodwork, I'm guessing 600-800ng/dl.
Actually my pre's were at 400 on the button, but my previous test, taken on nov 1st, was just over 600. My levels seem to bounce around a bit- generally inbetween 400-600( my results from nov was the highest it's ever been). I ve always had relatively low test.

daft205
01-22-2011, 02:38 PM
Day 16-
I continued with the lighter weight high rep for back day. I just wasn't feeling it today, was totally dragging, but pushed through and ended up having a pretty decent lift. The main highlights were-

Bent over bb rows
185x15, 185x17, 185x19
Dumbell row
100x12, 100x10, 100x10

daft205
01-22-2011, 02:39 PM
Day 17-
Had a great workout today- killed calves, bi's and tri's. Joints are feeling better and overall things are going smoothly. Libido is definitely elevated and strength and aggression ate on point. Now I just need to eat more, lol! Highlights from today were-
Seated dumbell curls
55x8, 60x8,60x7
Cambered bar skullcrushers
115x10,125x8,125x7

daft205
01-22-2011, 02:43 PM
"Quote:
Originally Posted by jin
u r one strong dood.

by the way, some people have reported a LOSS of libido.
and, some have suggested that this may be from an overly low estrogen.

are you doing anything/eating anything that may affect your libido outside of the 347?

i guess everyone responds differently, but,
at bottom there should also be some sort of trend,
perhaps dietary,
that might account for such differences..."


Yeah, i haven't changed anything about program other than the phyto. I'm hardly taking any other supps- just whey iso, onslaught, and the occasional cissus. I've purposely not been taking anything to fairly judge the phyto- therefore any and all symptoms I've noticed should, theoretically, be attributed to the inclusion of phyto.
The lowered libido( I've only read one log where someone eluded this) thing makes no sense to me. I definitely don't see the estrogen lowering capabilities of this product being severe enough to effect ones libido/sex drive.
Actually Im strongly considering adding in an AI, because I fear that estrogen may be elavating to high via conversion. I mean bn, is purported to increase test at nearly ten times the rate it decreases estrogen, so even with that reduction it's still feasible that estro could be elevated through aromatase conversion .

"Rodz"
01-25-2011, 12:58 AM
Awesome, how u feelin today bro

NYJetsFan80
01-25-2011, 02:44 AM
"Quote:
Originally Posted by jin
u r one strong dood.

by the way, some people have reported a LOSS of libido.
and, some have suggested that this may be from an overly low estrogen.

are you doing anything/eating anything that may affect your libido outside of the 347?

i guess everyone responds differently, but,
at bottom there should also be some sort of trend,
perhaps dietary,
that might account for such differences..."


Yeah, i haven't changed anything about program other than the phyto. I'm hardly taking any other supps- just whey iso, onslaught, and the occasional cissus. I've purposely not been taking anything to fairly judge the phyto- therefore any and all symptoms I've noticed should, theoretically, be attributed to the inclusion of phyto.
The lowered libido( I've only read one log where someone eluded this) thing makes no sense to me. I definitely don't see the estrogen lowering capabilities of this product being severe enough to effect ones libido/sex drive.
Actually Im strongly considering adding in an AI, because I fear that estrogen may be elavating to high via conversion. I mean bn, is purported to increase test at nearly ten times the rate it decreases estrogen, so even with that reduction it's still feasible that estro could be elevated through aromatase conversion .
Just add on MrSupps Forma-Stanzol which is another of Nathans products for estrogen control bro its topical just apply on chest and shoulders and it will also help boost test levels.:yep:

Young Gotti
01-25-2011, 10:03 AM
Just add on MrSupps Forma-Stanzol which is another of Nathans products for estrogen control bro its topical just apply on chest and shoulders and it will also help boost test levels.:yep:


i agree forma would be a nice addition, it should work very well with the phyto

daft205
01-26-2011, 02:56 AM
Day 21-
Weight update- 187.1lbms!(+7lbs)
Feel great! Weight is up and I had a killer chest workout today- set a few pr's. Ive also had a few people asking "what I'm doing differently", in regards to my physique- I'm up about 7 lbs but feel like the visible physical changes are more drastic than that.
Highlights from today-
Bench press
275x9,275x7,275x8- pr's across the board!

Young Gotti
01-26-2011, 09:55 AM
wow 7 lbs....nice work my man

"Rodz"
01-26-2011, 10:53 PM
Day 21-
Weight update- 187.1lbms!(+7lbs)
Feel great! Weight is up and I had a killer chest workout today- set a few pr's. Ive also had a few people asking "what I'm doing differently", in regards to my physique- I'm up about 7 lbs but feel like the visible physical changes are more drastic than that.
Highlights from today-
Bench press
275x9,275x7,275x8- pr's across the board!

awesome man, keep at it

daft205
01-30-2011, 10:39 PM
Day 24-
So last night I decided to "max out" on squats- something I never do - and it ended up being an incredible workout-filled with pr's- I'm still pumped about it. Here's how it went down-
Warm ups
225x2
275x2
295x2 pr
315x2 pr
335x3 pr
335x3 pr(got a spotter and did some nice deeps reps)
350x2 pr- then finished with
275x10 pr!

I've never squated( in what I would consider proper form) more than 315- ever! I'm super pleased- this was an epic workout for me.

daft205
01-30-2011, 10:40 PM
Day 25-
Well, had another great lift this morning, set a couple more pr's and overall just feeling good. Some highlights were-
Seated military
185x9
205x3 pr
185x6 (deep, touched clavicle on first 4)

I'm really exited about my progress as of late and am more motivated than ever to keep pushing it. I think I need to push the diet a little harder and try and keep the scale movin up.

Young Gotti
01-31-2011, 10:22 AM
PR's are always welcomed with open arms, keep it up man

daft205
02-06-2011, 01:48 PM
Day 26-
Destroyed arms last night- good lift only one really notable pr, though. I've recently started doings dips, after not doing them for 8 months due to injury, so last night I did some weighted dips- highlights were-
Weighted dips-
Bwx15
bw+45x10
Bw+90x8
Bw+90x6
Considering I haven't done them in a long time I was pretty happy with numbers.... Update later today.

daft205
02-06-2011, 01:49 PM
Let me recap the last few days-
Day 27- solid back routine nothing to notable pretty much par for the course.

Day 28- great day! I've made huge improvements on my bench- did 315(touched chest) for 4 singles each one perfect- then ended with 275 for 10 clean reps- felt
excellent strength was on point!

Day 28- too busy with school and was unable to make it in.

Day 29- smashed shoulders and hit some pr's. Got 185 on seated military for 10, and then 8. Followed with standing military worked up to 185 and got 3 reps! Very satisfied.

Day 30- just relaxed and rested up- libido is roaring- my girl is like WTF is going on, lol..


Day 31- well today is day 31 it's 9 am and I think I'm gonna go do some squats and then spend the rest of the day stuffing my face.... Update later.

"Rodz"
02-07-2011, 02:35 AM
Nice seeing those numbers rise!!!

Whats your eating like? What r u taking post workout?

needtogetaas
02-08-2011, 02:46 AM
looking good bro

daft205
02-13-2011, 11:33 AM
Day 32- from 2-8-11
Did chest last night and had a great lift, despite the fact that I was super beat from work. I dragged myself into the gym- and walked out feelin like a champ. Hit a couple pr's and got just a massive pump going. Some highlights were-
Bench press
315x3(touching chest) pr!
315x4 ( little bit looser form)

Incline bench
275x3 ( did this right after flat)pr!

Next week I'll start with incline- I bet I can get 6-7 clean reps with 275 if start fresh. I'm amazed how comfortable I was with 315 this week- I did slow deliberate reps and had total control... In another week or two I'm sure I'll be able to do it for 5-6 reps...
For those that dont remember 4 weeks ago, when I started, I was barely getting 260 for 5-6 reps- so a 55lb jump on bench in just over 4 weeks is not too bad..

daft205
02-13-2011, 11:35 AM
Day 37-update(from 2-11-11)
Weight is up! Weighed myself lastnight- 189.4! I am ecstatic! I'm up 9- almost 10lbs! Soo pumped!
Workouts have been stellar- still moving up on just about everything. Slammed legs last night and having trouble walking today, lol. Highlights from lift were-
Squats-
275x10( super deep, perfect controlled reps) pr
295x8( same strict form^)
275x8( had to get a little help outta the hole on the last one)
My training partner is like WTF! And keeps joking that I must secretly be juicing, Lol- he wishes!

daft205
02-13-2011, 09:35 PM
So seeing as things are going so well, I definitely gonna keep going for at least another 4 weeks, maybe even 6. But seeing as I've established that phyto works, and works well on it's own, I think I gonna add some other goodies to the mix. I thinking a little extra nettle root extract( help free up some test) , a insulin mimetic( I've got some need2slin I've been dying to try), and maybe a little lclt for starters... What do guys think? Ideas? Suggestions?

bigjavs
02-14-2011, 04:57 AM
awesome thread man.

are you a lifetime natty?

feeling any estrogenic effects?

keep kickin ass!

Young Gotti
02-14-2011, 09:56 AM
i think need2slin with phyto would be an awesome mix, that way you can eat eat eat, and put that food to better use....i'm also interested in running a phyto/bridge combo package

Conrad
02-19-2011, 09:49 PM
Daft, sounds like you making some great progress. That's great! When do you plan on getting more pics up?

daft205
02-19-2011, 10:33 PM
Daft, sounds like you making some great progress. That's great! When do you plan on getting more pics up?

Everythings going great! Making progress on pretty much everylift.
I'm gonna get some pics up in the next couple of days- maybe tomorrow. I gonna get my testosterone measured again this week also.

daft205
02-19-2011, 10:43 PM
awesome thread man.

are you a lifetime natty?

feeling any estrogenic effects?

keep kickin ass!

Thanks for following along!
I'm not a lifetime natural- I dabbled with some phs and such from the pre-2004 era- however I got really sick in 08, lost everything(-35lbs muscle), and had to start all over, a rebirth of sorts- been "clean" for over 3 years now.
No estro sides to speak of...

daft205
02-22-2011, 04:13 AM
Day 46-
Well I ve been crazy busy with work, school, gym, valentines day etc.- anyways haven't updated in bit, my bad... Everythings going good- making progress all around I believe. Did legs this morning and had a pretty good lift- squats felt good went up to 295x6- pretty good for a morning lift.
Just got a fresh bottle of phyto, some whey iso, and a couple jugs of onslaught- gonna really try and step it up a notch and keep this thing going. Also been running need2slin for about a week now and that seems to be going well- makes me really hungry aftet I take it.
Looking forward to chest tomorrow, an hoping for a pr- I'll be better about updates this week, fwiw.

daft205
02-24-2011, 05:04 AM
Pic update- took these tonight, but my girls camera died so I only got a couple. I'll try and get some better ones up tomorrow...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/swtgurll/Mike/feb2320113.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/swtgurll/Mike/feb23201123.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/swtgurll/Mike/feb23.jpg

daft205
02-24-2011, 05:06 AM
Day 48-
I crushed back tonight! I'm so pissed though- tried to deadlift 455, got just passed my knees and my grip slipped and I lost it! Ugh! So close! My training partner pulled 475 clean- to make matters worse! So, I thrashed my back the rest of the lift as punishment. I'm hurting- bad- already...

Young Gotti
02-24-2011, 09:56 AM
i'll check out the pics when i get home, this computer doesn't allow it.....do you use straps when deadlifting? i don't and grip does become a problem with the heavier weights on deads and shrugs

daft205
02-25-2011, 02:42 PM
Day 49- had a good shoulder lift- hit some standing military, got 185 for 4-5reps, pretty happy with that. Joints have been pretty dry and achy lately, still getting a bit of acne here and there, and libido is still strong . I've noticed I'm bit tired and lethargic lately, but it could just be from working full time, commuting 80-100miles per day, school, training my ass off, and everything else- but who knows, lol?

daft205
02-25-2011, 02:43 PM
i'll check out the pics when i get home, this computer doesn't allow it.....do you use straps when deadlifting? i don't and grip does become a problem with the heavier weights on deads and shrugs

Yeah no straps or wraps, just a belt. I like to use chalk or liquid grip but I'm all out right now.

Mike Conley
03-02-2011, 01:41 PM
Yeah no straps or wraps, just a belt. I like to use chalk or liquid grip but I'm all out right now.

Good old fashioned chalk :)

daft205
03-06-2011, 03:18 PM
Day 59-
Everything still going pretty good. Strength gains have tapered off a bit but still progressing. Starting to feel a bit run down and thinking this run is nearing it's end. I think I gonna try and grind it for like 11 more days and wrap this run up. Already starting to plan what I'm going to do next- the goal is to keep pushing till I break that elusive 200lb mark- I haven't weighed myself in a few weeks and I probably won't again till day 70- hopefully I'll be 190+.

Young Gotti
03-07-2011, 10:21 AM
sounds like a nice week break is needed to regroup and refocus....it's a blessing in disguise to have those weeks off

Mike Conley
03-08-2011, 02:47 PM
Man keep killing it. Got my phytoserms in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

daft205
03-08-2011, 03:28 PM
Day 61- man! I'm hurting so bad right now! I switched it and did a higher rep leg routine last night- I cannot believe how sore i am already! Did squats, presses, hacks, and a bunch of iso movements it was brutal. Highlight was-
Squats-
225x12,225x15,225x11- all down slow controlled and for real atg- all the way in the hole.

I'm seriously blown away how bad my legs hurt- it's ridiculous!

Mike Conley
03-08-2011, 03:32 PM
damn dude. I feel like my knees would pop out haha. I go to a 12 inch box w some plates so its around 14inches and that pushes it.

daft205
03-12-2011, 05:40 PM
Day 65- everything going smooth. Had some good lifts this week- great chest lift, smashed legs and had a good back lift. Took yesterday and probably today off- gonna destroy some arms tomorrow though. Just one more week and then some pics, test faults and final thoughts.... Stay tuned.

Mike Conley
03-13-2011, 09:06 PM
Man can't wait. I'm loving the Phyto