Sharing the secrets...

[barbellman]

Well I'm always busting peoples balls on here to ask what they run / like / have run in the past....


So in the interest of that and bringing in more views to the section...I'll share some drug cycles of guys I know in the industry. I'm not naming names but I'll give you as much info as I can.

Some of these will be "WOW" others will be very underwhelming but exactly what the guys are using no bullshit.


first guy....very high profile well known 242lb powerlifting champ

1-16 1g test cyp
12-16 60mg halo
cheque drops on day of contest, he could not recall exact dose

This guy honestly knows DICK about drugs...and only knows what he knows from converations with previous guys. He is 100% in the dark, I was pretty shocked at that...

Thats it for now

[BC123Jm]

back in the early 90's Paul Dillet used to work out at the same gym as me. I had a few years of AAS under my bealt at this point
but was by no means a BB.

I didn't even know who paul was, I thought he was just some huge black dude.

so one day i'm at my sources house picking up some shit
and in walks Paul Dillet.

so my source introduces us and we start talking.
He asks me what i'm getting, I say i'm getting the
sust preloads.

i ask him what he's getting. he says test suspension
and winny (good old winthrop)

i ask how much does he take. he says. 1.5 cc's of each
every day. then he says "i never let a needle go to waste"
meaning that the syringe should always be full.

he was also picking up some clen. told me he uses 15-20
tabs a day.

true story, no bullshit

[barbellman]

back in the early 90's Paul Dillet used to work out at the same gym as me. I had a few years of AAS under my bealt at this point
but was by no means a BB.

I didn't even know who paul was, I thought he was just some huge black dude.

so one day i'm at my sources house picking up some shit
and in walks Paul Dillet.

so my source introduces us and we start talking.
He asks me what i'm getting, I say i'm getting the
sust preloads.

i ask him what he's getting. he says test suspension
and winny (good old winthrop)

i ask how much does he take. he says. 1.5 cc's of each
every day. then he says "i never let a needle go to waste"
meaning that the syringe should always be full.

he was also picking up some clen. told me he uses 15-20
tabs a day.

true story, no bullshit


Glad you shared that, this is exactly what I'm trying to do and would encourage others to do.

[adpolice]

Well i only know one pro.Where i live there are only 4-5,so i'm lucky enough to openly speak with one of them...He once shared his ideology of a cycle which made a lot of sense to me,this is how it goes.1.5g of test,400mg of tren/weekly.16iu of slin,12iu pharm gradeGH,50mcg of t3per day.Sometimes he plays with orals,especially on pre contest.On cruising he never goes lower than 750mg of test and no lower than 6iu of gh.This guy has freaky genetics,works like a beast year round and he is lucky enough to use ''good stuff''...

[HammerStrength12]

You'd be amazing at the idiocy I've heard from a couple very famous IFBB pros/gurus regarding AAS. Can't share the details because I'm sure many do read this forum.

[jnickels]

You'd be amazing at the idiocy I've heard from a couple very famous IFBB pros/gurus regarding AAS. Can't share the details because I'm sure many do read this forum.

C'mon spill it. :)

I don't really have any serious bb amateur or pro or "gurus" at my gym other than a friend of mine who used to compete at the national level. I've never gotten him to give specifics but he claims his staples when he did compete were
1.5-2g test/wk
up to 6iu GH
50-100mg/day of dbol/a50 depending
No slin
Nothing too crazy as you can see.

[fitnessfirst]

NPC male bodybuilder in my area. About 230 on stage. We spoke one day about his pre-contest stack.

Test Prop 100mg/cc: 4 cc's ED
Anadrol: 100mg a day, so two caps.
Tren Ace: 150mg/1cc:1cc eod
GH: 5 iu's ED no rest

That's all i got out of him lol

[barbellman]

Ok here's another

Teen Nationals comp competitor, 19 years old, 211lbs
1-12 1000mg test e
1-12 200mg deca
1-12 400mg EQ
1-12 75mg tren acetate ED
1-4 50mg dbol
5-8 50mg anavar
8-12 100mg winstrol

This kid was doing every thing under the kitchen sink to say the least..

[BC123Jm]

Ok here's another

Teen Nationals comp competitor, 19 years old, 211lbs
1-12 1000mg test e
1-12 200mg deca
1-12 400mg EQ
1-12 75mg tren acetate ED
1-4 50mg dbol
5-8 50mg anavar
8-12 100mg winstrol

This kid was doing every thing under the kitchen sink to say the least..

holy bat balls, wtf did this kid look like?
it amazes me sometimes that some guys take buckets
of stuff and still look like they are little more than natural

[barbellman]

holy bat balls, wtf did this kid look like?
it amazes me sometimes that some guys take buckets
of stuff and still look like they are little more than natural


He looked alright..he did not place in the show, so basically got his ass handed to him.

I'll say his genetics were mid level at best and the kid had being using steroids since age 16 for various sports.

Also...he seemed to be a former "fat kid" who was obsessed with being as lean as possible, and he used a keto diet that I fear was basically an ALL PROTEIN diet with 0 carbs and too low of fat.

Point blank...as his energy levels continued to fall....and his lifts became weaker and weaker, he kept pumping in more drugs and using orals for extended periods to make up the difference.

[BC123Jm]

He looked alright..he did not place in the show, so basically got his ass handed to him.

I'll say his genetics were mid level at best and the kid had being using steroids since age 16 for various sports.

Also...he seemed to be a former "fat kid" who was obsessed with being as lean as possible, and he used a keto diet that I fear was basically an ALL PROTEIN diet with 0 carbs and too low of fat.

Point blank...as his energy levels continued to fall....and his lifts became weaker and weaker, he kept pumping in more drugs and using orals for extended periods to make up the difference.

Dude is that you in your avatar. if so you're jacked out
of your fucking mind. how tall are you and how much did you
weigh in that pic.

[barbellman]

Dude is that you in your avatar. if so you're jacked out
of your fucking mind. how tall are you and how much did you
weigh in that pic.


That would be IFBB pro bodybuilder Tom Prince at the 2001 Night of Champions

but don't worry I'm not a little guy either...5'10 246lbs :yep:

[BC123Jm]

That would be IFBB pro bodybuilder Tom Prince at the 2001 Night of Champions

but don't worry I'm not a little guy either...5'10 246lbs :yep:

freakin shame what happened to that dude.
i met him in person one time. he used to live in
my area and a good friend of mine was friends with
him. so we met him out at a club one night in ft Lauderdale. he was a fucking beast. quite the partier that night he was.
really cool dude.

[HammerStrength12]

Ok here's another

Teen Nationals comp competitor, 19 years old, 211lbs
1-12 1000mg test e
1-12 200mg deca
1-12 400mg EQ
1-12 75mg tren acetate ED
1-4 50mg dbol
5-8 50mg anavar
8-12 100mg winstrol

This kid was doing every thing under the kitchen sink to say the least..


The kid's needs to be kicked in the balls. HARD

[barbellman]

The kid's needs to be kicked in the balls. HARD


I believe he got what he had coming, has had multiple knee/leg surgeries in the last 5 years and no longer competing. Karma and life kicked him in the balls.

[HammerStrength12]

I believe he got what he had coming, has had multiple knee/leg surgeries in the last 5 years and no longer competing. Karma and life kicked him in the balls.

What the fuck were his parents doing all this time? lol. Fuck man at that age you can put on 30lbs naturally per year if you chain yourself to a squat rack. If 210lbs is the best he can do WITH all that gear, he needs to gtf out of bodybuilding and find another sport lol.

The 1 IFBB pro I've spoken with says he never goes over 1.5 grams a week.

[barbellman]

What the fuck were his parents doing all this time? lol. Fuck man at that age you can put on 30lbs naturally per year if you chain yourself to a squat rack. If 210lbs is the best he can do WITH all that gear, he needs to gtf out of bodybuilding and find another sport lol.

The 1 IFBB pro I've spoken with says he never goes over 1.5 grams a week.


You'd be amazed these days my friend....younger and younger cycling with heavy doses. I can see why they do it, hearing "pro X uses this..and if I want to be as good as him...."

[HammerStrength12]

You'd be amazed these days my friend....younger and younger cycling with heavy doses. I can see why they do it, hearing "pro X uses this..and if I want to be as good as him...."

I agree. I actually know a kid who uses MORE than they kid you mentioned above and is 17. No joke. And right now he wouldn't even be able to compete at teen nats. Looks like shit.

The problem with these kids is that first off, they have no fucking clue how to train naturally. They don't know how to diet. They don't know how to lift. They're afraid to eat big. Yet for their first cycle they'll stack like 6 compounds. Decide to stay on for months. Get huge in the process, but have no clue how to do pct and lose a shit ton of the mass after the cycle. So they go back on a couple months later, androgen receptors completely irresponsive. And gain maybe 10bls in their 6 month long test/tren/deca/eq/winny cycle. Finish that cycle and their leydig cells are so dead and irresponsive, their balls are ruined for life. And they're too stupid to realize that. So when all is said and done, if they had eaten and trained properly, they would have been WAY bigger if they had just gone the natty route.

I've seen it so many times bro it's scary. Be thankful you don't live in Jersey lol.

[adpolice]

I agree. I actually know a kid who uses MORE than they kid you mentioned above and is 17. No joke. And right now he wouldn't even be able to compete at teen nats. Looks like shit.

The problem with these kids is that first off, they have no fucking clue how to train naturally. They don't know how to diet. They don't know how to lift. They're afraid to eat big. Yet for their first cycle they'll stack like 6 compounds. Decide to stay on for months. Get huge in the process, but have no clue how to do pct and lose a shit ton of the mass after the cycle. So they go back on a couple months later, androgen receptors completely irresponsive. And gain maybe 10bls in their 6 month long test/tren/deca/eq/winny cycle. Finish that cycle and their leydig cells are so dead and irresponsive, their balls are ruined for life. And they're too stupid to realize that. So when all is said and done, if they had eaten and trained properly, they would have been WAY bigger if they had just gone the natty route.

I've seen it so many times bro it's scary. Be thankful you don't live in Jersey lol.
It is the industry which creates ''myths'' that you need tons of ass,kids bite, pay and some people get very rich....:mad:

[Gunners]

It is the industry which creates ''myths'' that you need tons of ass,kids bite, pay and some people get very rich....:mad:

That's no myth :yep:

[BC123Jm]

Roger Stewart used to train at the gym i worked at back in the late 90's.
We spoke all the time.

he said the most test he ever used was 3 amps of sust per week.
he seemed pretty uneducated when we talked about gear and cycles.

i believe him. he wasn't big, but he did have good legs and calves.

[Diabetic Muscle]

A PL I talked to said he runs
750 mg Test
200 mg winni (short duration)
100mg dbol

orals are short duration increasing the closer to the meet. Also said he didn't like tren for strength.

[adpolice]

That's no myth :yep:

You need A LOT but then again not that much...:yep:

[barbellman]

A PL I talked to said he runs
750 mg Test
200 mg winni (short duration)
100mg dbol

orals are short duration increasing the closer to the meet. Also said he didn't like tren for strength.

Funny you'd say that, I am good friends with a "bench press monster" and he has tried tren and HATED it. He does not use it at all. I was pretty shocked.

But heavy orals among powerlifters is always common

thanks for posting

[HammerStrength12]

But heavy orals among powerlifters is always common

thanks for posting

They like sustanon 250 too lol. Abombs, halo and sust

[Gunners]

You need A LOT but then again not that much...:yep:

Are you gettin the ass vs aas joke i'm makin here?

[barbellman]

Are you gettin the ass vs aas joke i'm makin here?

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


reps broski

[HammerStrength12]

Are you gettin the ass vs aas joke i'm makin here?

Only certain highly respected supplement company CEOs are sophisticated to get that one :no:

[Diabetic Muscle]

They like sustanon 250 too lol. Abombs, halo and sust
I am eagerly awaiting my first go around with Halo. I wouldn't mind finding some cheque drops as well.

[Dre23]

I believe he got what he had coming, has had multiple knee/leg surgeries in the last 5 years and no longer competing. Karma and life kicked him in the balls.

Sorry, I dont see the correlation...

Was the kid an asshole or something or are you saying that b/c he used/abused steroids that karma was somehow getting back at him for that?

As long as we aren't harming/hurting others then I dont see why karma would care what we put in our bodies. But if that's the case then maybe a lot of us should be worried.

[barbellman]

Sorry, I dont see the correlation...

Was the kid an asshole or something or are you saying that b/c he used/abused steroids that karma was somehow getting back at him for that?

As long as we aren't harming/hurting others then I dont see why karma would care what we put in our bodies. But if that's the case then maybe a lot of us should be worried.


Let me spell this out for you.


You take ass tons of shit, health problems increase, torn muscles here, detached tendons there, kidney failure, complete knee reconstructions etc.

You abuse, you pay.

[Gunners]

Sorry, I dont see the correlation...

Was the kid an asshole or something or are you saying that b/c he used/abused steroids that karma was somehow getting back at him for that?

As long as we aren't harming/hurting others then I dont see why karma would care what we put in our bodies. But if that's the case then maybe a lot of us should be worried.

Replace karma with inevitable. Are you sticking to the diet? Making progress bro?

[s2h]

this is a pre-contest cycle run by a training partenr of mine for state the championship..he had been to nationals 3 times before..took 4 yrs off(of competing) and was looking to re-qual..he is a exteremist to say the least..
1-8 2100mg test cyp ew
1-8 1200mg deca ew
1-8 60mg d-bol ed
1-8 12 iu tevatropin GH ed
8-16 200mg prop ed
8-16 100mg npp ed
8-16 100mg mast ed
8-16 12 iu tevatropin GH ed
12-16 60mg halo ed
12-16 100mg anavar ed
12-16 100mg tren a ed

10-16 cytomel 25mg ew..bumped 25 mg ew...100mg last week
10-16 clen..was up to 240mcg by last week..he was eating blister packs at a time...

he was in first after the morning show..at about 2pm his wife called me to there hotel room..he was in the shower in the fetal position..we rushed him to the ER..he had a heart attack...he fully recovered and never competed again..

he never showed me his cycle til after the show...i would have NEVER condoned that type of cycle...not only is that crazy amounts..but imagine pinning all that..he said he spent about 5k on that cycle alone..

2 months removed from the show his BW came back fine..he also did little to NO cardio..he was on a keto diet for this show...all for a plastic trophy and a dream..almost killed him...

[s2h]

P.S...he was also 6 pounds over the wieght limit at 10am the day of wiegh in...he never admitted to me how he dropped the 6 pounds..but i venture to say he IV'd lasix..

[HammerStrength12]

Unbelievable. I never really understood why people stacked so many compounds. Is just using test really not enough for people at that level to get any bigger? And to get shredded, isn't clen + diet good enough? Why t3? Being hypothyroid and remembering how much having no thyroid function SUCKS BALLS, I have no idea why bodybuilders use cytomel.

Also, not to sound cocky, but if I were to lose a little bodyfat, I'd probably be able to hold my own at a regional npc show. And have only done 3 extremely mild cycles and have never stacked anything To get to that next level, are massive doses and stacks really that necessary?

[NickD]

this is a pre-contest cycle run by a training partenr of mine for state the championship..he had been to nationals 3 times before..took 4 yrs off(of competing) and was looking to re-qual..he is a exteremist to say the least..
1-8 2100mg test cyp ew
1-8 1200mg deca ew
1-8 60mg d-bol ed
1-8 12 iu tevatropin GH ed
8-16 200mg prop ed
8-16 100mg npp ed
8-16 100mg mast ed
8-16 12 iu tevatropin GH ed
12-16 60mg halo ed
12-16 100mg anavar ed
12-16 100mg tren a ed

10-16 cytomel 25mg ew..bumped 25 mg ew...100mg last week
10-16 clen..was up to 240mcg by last week..he was eating blister packs at a time...

he was in first after the morning show..at about 2pm his wife called me to there hotel room..he was in the shower in the fetal position..we rushed him to the ER..he had a heart attack...he fully recovered and never competed again..

he never showed me his cycle til after the show...i would have NEVER condoned that type of cycle...not only is that crazy amounts..but imagine pinning all that..he said he spent about 5k on that cycle alone..

2 months removed from the show his BW came back fine..he also did little to NO cardio..he was on a keto diet for this show...all for a plastic trophy and a dream..almost killed him...

Now this is what gets the bad rep in the media... they won't tell us that he used way too much and completely destroyed his body but they'll say "steroids are bad, look at this guy for example". Death only happens when you abuse, not use. Imagine if you're in pain, you take 20 advils per day with 500mg of oxycodone and 20g of Vicodin per day... Now who's to blame? The pharmaceutical companies or the guy who took the cocktail? And if you can die on ibuprofen why is it an OTC...

Sorry for the off-topic post but I couldn't resist seeing this insane stack and the results afterwards.

[GottaGetLean]

Unbelievable. I never really understood why people stacked so many compounds. Is just using test really not enough for people at that level to get any bigger? And to get shredded, isn't clen + diet good enough? Why t3? Being hypothyroid and remembering how much having no thyroid function SUCKS BALLS, I have no idea why bodybuilders use cytomel.

Also, not to sound cocky, but if I were to lose a little bodyfat, I'd probably be able to hold my own at a regional npc show. And have only done 3 extremely mild cycles and have never stacked anything To get to that next level, are massive doses and stacks really that necessary?

so then lose a little body fat and compete a regional npc show.

[bushmaster]

Unbelievable. I never really understood why people stacked so many compounds. Is just using test really not enough for people at that level to get any bigger? And to get shredded, isn't clen + diet good enough? Why t3? Being hypothyroid and remembering how much having no thyroid function SUCKS BALLS, I have no idea why bodybuilders use cytomel.

Also, not to sound cocky, but if I were to lose a little bodyfat, I'd probably be able to hold my own at a regional npc show. And have only done 3 extremely mild cycles and have never stacked anything To get to that next level, are massive doses and stacks really that necessary?

Not to sound like a dick but a little bodyfat? So what are you 8% year round? I hardly doubt you are even 6 weeks away to place decently at a show, just saying. If you haven't competed you have no idea how low you have to go to get to the stage level. I agree in a few weeks you may be beach ready but lets be realistic there are only a rare genetic few that only need to "lose a little bodyfat" to hold their own at ANY show.:yep:

[JohnnyStyles]

This should be good...

First time i met a TOP 3 OLYMPIA PRO he said....Oh non of that animal grade for me bro....Oh and i shoot all of it in my ass.....Fuck the rest...LOL

Cool true story!!! I have a couple great ones...!!!

[mr intensity]

this is a pre-contest cycle run by a training partenr of mine for state the championship..he had been to nationals 3 times before..took 4 yrs off(of competing) and was looking to re-qual..he is a exteremist to say the least..
1-8 2100mg test cyp ew
1-8 1200mg deca ew
1-8 60mg d-bol ed
1-8 12 iu tevatropin GH ed
8-16 200mg prop ed
8-16 100mg npp ed
8-16 100mg mast ed
8-16 12 iu tevatropin GH ed
12-16 60mg halo ed
12-16 100mg anavar ed
12-16 100mg tren a ed

10-16 cytomel 25mg ew..bumped 25 mg ew...100mg last week
10-16 clen..was up to 240mcg by last week..he was eating blister packs at a time...
+ Lasix
he was in first after the morning show..at about 2pm his wife called me to there hotel room..he was in the shower in the fetal position..we rushed him to the ER..he had a heart attack...he fully recovered and never competed again..

he never showed me his cycle til after the show...i would have NEVER condoned that type of cycle...not only is that crazy amounts..but imagine pinning all that..he said he spent about 5k on that cycle alone..

2 months removed from the show his BW came back fine..he also did little to NO cardio..he was on a keto diet for this show...all for a plastic trophy and a dream..almost killed him...

These were the primary cuplrit in my opinion

[Gunners]

Almost had a heart attack reading that dose of clen & tren.

[BC123Jm]

this is a pre-contest cycle run by a training partenr of mine for state the championship..he had been to nationals 3 times before..took 4 yrs off(of competing) and was looking to re-qual..he is a exteremist to say the least..
1-8 2100mg test cyp ew
1-8 1200mg deca ew
1-8 60mg d-bol ed
1-8 12 iu tevatropin GH ed
8-16 200mg prop ed
8-16 100mg npp ed
8-16 100mg mast ed
8-16 12 iu tevatropin GH ed
12-16 60mg halo ed
12-16 100mg anavar ed
12-16 100mg tren a ed

10-16 cytomel 25mg ew..bumped 25 mg ew...100mg last week
10-16 clen..was up to 240mcg by last week..he was eating blister packs at a time...

he was in first after the morning show..at about 2pm his wife called me to there hotel room..he was in the shower in the fetal position..we rushed him to the ER..he had a heart attack...he fully recovered and never competed again..

he never showed me his cycle til after the show...i would have NEVER condoned that type of cycle...not only is that crazy amounts..but imagine pinning all that..he said he spent about 5k on that cycle alone..

2 months removed from the show his BW came back fine..he also did little to NO cardio..he was on a keto diet for this show...all for a plastic trophy and a dream..almost killed him...

this is just fucking insane. amazing he didn't do permanent damage.

[HammerStrength12]

These were the primary cuplrit in my opinion

100mg of cytomel is ridiculous IMO. 2.1 grams of test is kinda crazy too haha

[HammerStrength12]

Not to sound like a dick but a little bodyfat? So what are you 8% year round? I hardly doubt you are even 6 weeks away to place decently at a show, just saying. If you haven't competed you have no idea how low you have to go to get to the stage level. I agree in a few weeks you may be beach ready but lets be realistic there are only a rare genetic few that only need to "lose a little bodyfat" to hold their own at ANY show.:yep:

No, I was never saying I'd win or even do that well. Just that I'd be able to hold my own and not look like I didn't belong there.

I was more curious about what it took to get to that next level. Are most nationals competitors on really huge stacks like that?

[bushmaster]

No, I was never saying I'd win or even do that well. Just that I'd be able to hold my own and not look like I didn't belong there.

I was more curious about what it took to get to that next level. Are most nationals competitors on really huge stacks like that?

I know I was just giving you a hard time. As for your question I believe so. A guy I use to train with competes nationally and takes everything under the sun. He has no clue on what he is doing. For example this is what I can think of from his last national prep in 2010.

1200mg Test Prop
350mg Tren Ace
350mg Tren Enan
350mg Masteron
100mg winny oil
100mg winny tabs
100mg proviron
100mg anavar
8iu's Yellow Tops

Whenever this guy says he's off he is just taking orals, blows my mind.

[HammerStrength12]

I know I was just giving you a hard time. As for your question I believe so. A guy I use to train with competes nationally and takes everything under the sun. He has no clue on what he is doing. For example this is what I can think of from his last national prep in 2010.

1200mg Test Prop
350mg Tren Ace
350mg Tren Enan
350mg Masteron
100mg winny oil
100mg winny tabs
100mg proviron
100mg anavar
8iu's Yellow Tops

Whenever this guy says he's off he is just taking orals, blows my mind.


So instead of prop, he takes 1-t or m1-t? :)

I never really understood the point of t3 either, especially if you already have clen, ephedra, and of course cardio lol.

[Gunners]

100mg of cytomel is ridiculous IMO. 2.1 grams of test is kinda crazy too haha

It's a typo.

[adpolice]

I am eagerly awaiting my first go around with Halo. I wouldn't mind finding some cheque drops as well.

You will love halo...

[daywalker72]

100mg of cytomel is ridiculous IMO. 2.1 grams of test is kinda crazy too haha

did he mean 100mcg?

[GottaGetLean]

So instead of prop, he takes 1-t or m1-t? :)

I never really understood the point of t3 either, especially if you already have clen, ephedra, and of course cardio lol.

cuz t3 works great.

[Dre23]

Let me spell this out for you.


You take ass tons of shit, health problems increase, torn muscles here, detached tendons there, kidney failure, complete knee reconstructions etc.

You abuse, you pay.

Ok. Thanks bro for the lesson.

Unfortunately, this kid had no guidance from a knowledgeable adult and has suffered for his ignorance.


Replace karma with inevitable. Are you sticking to the diet? Making progress bro?

Yes, inevitable is a better word IMO. Yup, still sticking to the diet. Enjoyed myself during the holidays but nothing crazy. Not tryna ever step onstage so I try not to be too neurotic about stuff. As long as i'm making continual progress then I am happy.

Thanks for asking G.

[barbellman]

Now this thread is starting to go places..and wild cycles are being shown :)

[BarbellBeast]

I wish I had the disposable income to obtain even half of some of these cycles.

[apex23]

cuz t3 works great.


The Truth

[s2h]

this is just fucking insane. amazing he didn't do permanent damage.true..you never know what will come in the long run...

[s2h]

So instead of prop, he takes 1-t or m1-t? :)

I never really understood the point of t3 either, especially if you already have clen, ephedra, and of course cardio lol.why do cardio when you can take cytomel instead..unless you to lazy to take the tab..lol...

[Shadow]

I wish I had the disposable income to obtain even half of some of these cycles.

Seriously. You and me both.

[HammerStrength12]

why do cardio when you can take cytomel instead..unless you to lazy to take the tab..lol...

Maybe I'm just biased cuz I'm hypothyroid. But I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would risk this all for the sake of some lines in your ass.

[s2h]

Maybe I'm just biased cuz I'm hypothyroid. But I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would risk this all for the sake of some lines in your ass.there have been several solid studies i have read(no i dont have them handy)..that t3 isnt as "bad" for you unless you have a pre-existing prob..or you abuse them heavily...

[HammerStrength12]

there have been several solid studies i have read(no i dont have them handy)..that t3 isnt as "bad" for you unless you have a pre-existing prob..or you abuse them heavily...

I don't doubt they exist.

But I remember speaking with Tom O'Connor and he did tell me I'd be amazed at the number of patients he has ( all ex bodybuilders) with really poor thyroid function.

[s2h]

I don't doubt they exist.

But I remember speaking with Tom O'Connor and he did tell me I'd be amazed at the number of patients he has ( all ex bodybuilders) with really poor thyroid function.those would fall into the "heavy abuser" range..

[HammerStrength12]

those would fall into the "heavy abuser" range..

He did say he deals with a lot of those

[s2h]

He did say he deals with a lot of thosecytomel is one drug in BB..that is used with little thought put into its results in the end...

[HammerStrength12]

I'm sure Dr. O could have some pretty epic contributions to this thread

[s2h]

I'm sure Dr. O could have some pretty epic contributions to this threadmy posts are "epic" enuff...thats dr. s2h from now on...

[HammerStrength12]

You should change your name too. Then we'd have a Doctor and an Uncle running this forum.

[s2h]

You should change your name too. Then we'd have a Doctor and an Uncle running this forum.i would..but i'm so famous now..i dont want to confuse the 1,000's that follow my preachings...

[HammerStrength12]

You could change it to S2H -- MD. Be less confusing than Dr. s2h

[s2h]

You could change it to S2H -- MD. Be less confusing than Dr. s2hMD would be illegal..to confusing w/ the other MD...

[jnickels]

Reading all this knowing i'm not trying to make a living off bodybuilding and not even sure that i ever want to compete almost makes me question why i'm taking shit in the first place. Although i do test only cycles between 750-1000mg/wk, there's still some risk, health and legal. oh well, fuck it. This is def a good read though.

[BC123Jm]

I just found this interview with pro BB Mike Morris.

here is what he said.


Were you pretty moderate with your dosages?

"There were times when I was doing a heavy cycle. That would be five shots a week. A shot every day of the week and then two days off. A daily shot would include 250 mg. of Sustanon, 200 mg. of Enthanate and 300 mg. of Deca. So that's 3,750 mgs. a week plus orals. I'd usually take one oral at a time, like D-Bol or Anadrol. I can't speak for other bodybuilders, just for myself and what I've done. Anything over that-man, that's a lot of shit to take a shot with that everyday! "

[adpolice]

I just found this interview with pro BB Mike Morris.

here is what he said.


Were you pretty moderate with your dosages?

"There were times when I was doing a heavy cycle. That would be five shots a week. A shot every day of the week and then two days off. A daily shot would include 250 mg. of Sustanon, 200 mg. of Enthanate and 300 mg. of Deca. So that's 3,750 mgs. a week plus orals. I'd usually take one oral at a time, like D-Bol or Anadrol. I can't speak for other bodybuilders, just for myself and what I've done. Anything over that-man, that's a lot of shit to take a shot with that everyday! "
This is moderate compared with the cycles of some guys here who aren't the 1/3 of what Mike Morris was...and he did some damage to his kidneys...Despite the facts when those boys post with pride their cycles and someone tries to sane them,they get very aggressive...I hope they won't learn the hard way...

[barbellman]

alright another cycle


275lb powerlifter 41 years of age

3,500mg test e 1-12
1,200mg eq 1-12
100mg anavar ED 1-12
150mg anadrol ED 8-12
50mg halo ED 8-12

Now where this got interesting...and may be border line here....on the week of the contest and contest day this individual pumped in a variety of rec drugs. Think uppers, and lots of them along with stuff to dry out if weight was above class limit

[BC123Jm]

alright another cycle


275lb powerlifter 41 years of age

3,500mg test e 1-12
1,200mg eq 1-12
100mg anavar ED 1-12
150mg anadrol ED 8-12
50mg halo ED 8-12

Now where this got interesting...and may be border line here....on the week of the contest and contest day this individual pumped in a variety of rec drugs. Think uppers, and lots of them along with stuff to dry out if weight was above class limit

my liver just exploded reading that.

is it really possible to take 300mg a day of
orals for a month and not die?

[cook]

my liver just exploded reading that.

is it really possible to take 300mg a day of
orals for a month and not die?
I did know a guy who took 30 dianabol a day (or 150mg ) while training for a powerlifting meet.

[barbellman]

my liver just exploded reading that.

is it really possible to take 300mg a day of
orals for a month and not die?


He reasoned anavar was mild and "didn't really count"

Would I do it? No

But life is funny...

[jnickels]

He reasoned anavar was mild and "didn't really count"

Would I do it? No

But life is funny...

Yeah maybe not but what about the other 2 orals...those don't have a rep for "not counting" lol. I bet his liver disagrees w/ his brain on that one. DAAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNN

[s2h]

my liver just exploded reading that.

is it really possible to take 300mg a day of
orals for a month and not die?many moons ago..i once ran 200mg of anandrol ed for 6 weeks..not sure what my liver thought..but my head was about to explode from HBP..thats the only reason i stopped..i couldnt train because the headaches got so bad...

[BC123Jm]

many moons ago..i once ran 200mg of anandrol ed for 6 weeks..not sure what my liver thought..but my head was about to explode from HBP..thats the only reason i stopped..i couldnt train because the headaches got so bad...

what type of gains did you get with that?
I have never run more than 50mg.
but i'm only 200lbs

so what type of gains compared to 50mg?

[growing]

I know a non competitor that liked 1-2 grams of test a week. 27 years old and would mix in whatever he wanted, including street drugs. the guy was around 5'10 240. he had a heart attack and died :O(

[s2h]

what type of gains did you get with that?
I have never run more than 50mg.
but i'm only 200lbs

so what type of gains compared to 50mg?dont recall the exact amount of lbs gained..but i was competing in raw bench comps at the time...shirt,shorts..not even wrist wraps..i was in the under 225 class..with a 30 inch waist...i benched 454 in that last comp..my head was about to explode about then...

[barbellman]

what type of gains did you get with that?
I have never run more than 50mg.
but i'm only 200lbs

so what type of gains compared to 50mg?


i cannot speak over 50mg of anadrol...but i can tell you on 750mg test i got the bright idea to add 50mg abombs for 4 or 6 weeks i think it was and literally blew up with 15lbs of water in a week, couldn't get into my benchshirt, took 4 guys to get it on :no:

[Fah-Q]

Awesome thread!

[bushmaster]

many moons ago..i once ran 200mg of anandrol ed for 6 weeks..not sure what my liver thought..but my head was about to explode from HBP..thats the only reason i stopped..i couldnt train because the headaches got so bad...

I think we all have done something along these lines at one time. I got this crazy idea a year ago to run 900mg of Tren Enanthate. Lets just say 6 weeks in I was ripped to the bone and eating like shit but my head felt like it was going to pop!! Luckily I had some BP medication on hand to control the sides as it cleared. Never again! My cycles are now just Test and dbol except for contest prep.