500ml of test for life.

[said53]

Guys i would like to know if runing 500mg of Test E for life is that safe comper to 250Mg?

[barbellman]

you'll have issues on that much testosterone for life, think high blood pressure, high RBC count, cholesterol problems

I have many buddies on HRT who were having problems on 250 a week as they approached late 40's early 50's

[Medium Extreme]

Dont need 500 a week. I'm at 300 a week but I am only on for 8 months of the year.

[said53]

so 250 is enough for life ?

[barbellman]

so 250 is enough for life ?


250 is plenty if you value your health...and without proper drugs you'll probably still have some RBC issues later in life...the nature of using testosterone for years and years..

[caribeman]

I think its better to run a lower dose and then cycle at high dose. Say 200 per week for 10 weeks and then 500 for another 10 and so on...

[s2h]

my trt script is for 300mg ew...been that way for around 3 yrs..there are many clinicial studies on somewhat longterm test use...due to its use with HIV positive men..i venture to think there wil be more studies of use(10+)yrs as test scripting for HIV positive men increases..i have had no negative test results from my use to date..

[said53]

my trt script is for 300mg ew...been that way for around 3 yrs..there are many clinicial studies on somewhat longterm test use...due to its use with HIV positive men..i venture to think there wil be more studies of use(10+)yrs as test scripting for HIV positive men increases..i have had no negative test results from my use to date.. This is the reson why i ask and alot of guys talling me 250 its old man dosage for TRT.

[s2h]

This is the reson why i ask and alot of guys talling me 250 its old man dosage for TRT.250mg ew is a better than avg trt script dose...

[said53]

Thank you guys i will probably stay at 250 for 10 weeks and then will bump it up to 1000mg + something else :)

[barbellman]

250mg is a fairy liberal test hrt dose. many doctors do not even give out injectable test, they want you on that gel shit or if they do its some 100mg every 2 weeks BS

[said53]

Thank you my iron brothers :) Like i said and I will always say this is the best Forum you can find in Internet thank you again barbellman and s2h.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

what you guys seem to fail to realize is simple; it varies person to person, and age then later becomes a factor. 300ew is high, but not for my main man s2h. 250EOW is is a pretty normal dose for an over 40 guy with free levels in <300. now, it will vary greatly if LH and FSH have fluctuating values as well. it is a very individual Rx.

[Dre23]

what you guys seem to fail to realize is simple; it varies person to person, and age then later becomes a factor. 300ew is high, but not for my main man s2h. 250EOW is is a pretty normal dose for an over 40 guy with free levels in <300. now, it will vary greatly if LH and FSH have fluctuating values as well. it is a very individual Rx.


Agreed.

I'm hypogonadal due to a prepubescent brain tumor, and I am prescribed more than 250/wk.

But I am a rather rare situation as well.

[s2h]

Thank you my iron brothers :) Like i said and I will always say this is the best Forum you can find in Internet thank you again barbellman and s2h.welcome bro..as uncle attilia stated..test dosing along with many other drugs..falls into a person to person situation..like dre theres many things that can alter the dosing needs..

[said53]

what you guys seem to fail to realize is simple; it varies person to person, and age then later becomes a factor. 300ew is high, but not for my main man s2h. 250EOW is is a pretty normal dose for an over 40 guy with free levels in <300. now, it will vary greatly if LH and FSH have fluctuating values as well. it is a very individual Rx.
so what you saing Uncle Attila 500Mg perwk is not dangeres? Im 27 by the way.

[Warped]

I`m on 600mg ew for life. Have you read the study that stated that 600mg vs 300mg. 600mg gave no more sides than 300mg. But better effect. I think Milos Sarcev said this too(on off topic).

[Bryan Hildebrand]

so what you saing Uncle Attila 500Mg perwk is not dangeres? Im 27 by the way.

what I am saying is it depends on what your blood work says and what your actual diagnosis is.

[said53]

what I am saying is it depends on what your blood work says and what your actual diagnosis is.
I just did and few weeks ago and its all good :)

[s2h]

I just did and few weeks ago and its all good :)it was good on 500mg ew???

[BC123Jm]

studies show that at 600mg per week blood levels
are at 2,370 total.

and thats one week after the injection.

there is nothing natural about that.

TRT is meant to bring low test back to norm.

all these guys who take more than required to bring
them back to norm are juicing and trying to justify
it by calling it TRT.

get blood work done and anything that puts you
out of normal range is more than you need
for true TRT.

or is TRT the new way of saying i'm juicing for life?

[caribeman]

TRT is meant to bring low test back to norm.


or is TRT the new way of saying i'm juicing for life?
:yep: is between that and "cruizing and blastin"....

[heavyiron]

500mg T weekly is fine. Just get regular labs and an annual physical.

Most issues with T can be solved pretty easily if you get labs.

[said53]

it was good on 500mg ew???
I did on 1000mg of Test E and 300 Tran Ace :) i have post her :)

[BryanB]

I'm 43 and my TRT is 100mg/wk Test E. Enough to keep me at the top of the chart

[said53]

but not enough to keep you gain your muscle.

[s2h]

I've been on TRT for a couple yrs now and my doc wont let me go over 100mg/wk of test C. That only brings my levels up to about 400 but she said over 100mg was too high dosage. Supposed to sched with a endo now....keep in mind..doctors/endos are basing there dosing off of your levels...as they fall in your range for your age..so if 100mg ew puts you in the normal range..then thats all there gonna script you for..they wont bump your dose based on ones want to get bigger or to get your levels to a high or above high range..you may want to seek out a anti-aging clinic if you want to get a more liberal script...

[LittleChris]

I have been on 200-300mg of test per week for the last 5 years now, and my blood tests come in good. Your blood panels dont only reflect the amount of test you are taking but also reflect your lifestyle. If you are eating the wrong foods, it will affect your cholesterol levels and if you are not fit and in good shape cardio wise, it will affect your blood pressure.
I say dont take any more than 300 mg per week if you are going long term. I dont see a problem with throwing in some deca and anavar for 3 months out of the year, my doctor allows me that. Again, if you want to have overall good blood panels, make sure you take care of yourself, and of course, i hope your doc has prescribed you antiestrogens because estrogen is the main culprit in aging men.
Also, doses in the 200-300 mg range of testosterone per week are VERY VERY suffecient in gaining and keeping muscle mass, if its not doing the job for you, you need to look at your diet and training. Good luck.
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[said53]

I have been on 200-300mg of test per week for the last 5 years now, and my blood tests come in good. Your blood panels dont only reflect the amount of test you are taking but also reflect your lifestyle. If you are eating the wrong foods, it will affect your cholesterol levels and if you are not fit and in good shape cardio wise, it will affect your blood pressure.
I say dont take any more than 300 mg per week if you are going long term. I dont see a problem with throwing in some deca and anavar for 3 months out of the year, my doctor allows me that. Again, if you want to have overall good blood panels, make sure you take care of yourself, and of course, i hope your doc has prescribed you antiestrogens because estrogen is the main culprit in aging men.
Also, doses in the 200-300 mg range of testosterone per week are VERY VERY suffecient in gaining and keeping muscle mass, if its not doing the job for you, you need to look at your diet and training. Good luck.
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Thank you very much my iron brother !!! Thank you

[lartinos]

Seems a little high to me.

[force]

High doses TRT over time can and will lead to dangerously high hematocrit levels...I am going through this myself now....being at high risk for a stroke is not a fun thought.

[heavyiron]

High doses TRT over time can and will lead to dangerously high hematocrit levels...I am going through this myself now....being at high risk for a stroke is not a fun thought.
Yeah, I hear this from time to time and it definately can happen but not to everyone. In fact it may be less common than you think. I have used HRT for 4 years with very few breaks. Recently I was getting headaches and even though my hematocrit is usually in the normal high range I began to wonder if it was too high. I was on 600mg of cyp weekly and 50mg anadrol daily. I went to give blood and they always perform a hematocrit test first. Mine was exactly 48%-totally normal. I gave blood anyway but it was normal.

btw, giving blood is good for the community and aas users, not to mention the free hematocrit test...

[D_T]

Yeah, I hear this from time to time and it definately can happen but not to everyone. In fact it may be less common than you think. I have used HRT for 4 years with very few breaks. Recently I was getting headaches and even though my hematocrit is usually in the normal high range I began to wonder if it was too high. I was on 600mg of cyp weekly and 50mg anadrol daily. I went to give blood and they always perform a hematocrit test first. Mine was exactly 48%-totally normal. I gave blood anyway but it was normal.

btw, giving blood is good for the community and aas users, not to mention the free hematocrit test...
Where do you give?

[heavyiron]

Bonfils Blood Center

[buresu]

my trt script is for 300mg ew...been that way for around 3 yrs..there are many clinicial studies on somewhat longterm test use...due to its use with HIV positive men..i venture to think there wil be more studies of use(10+)yrs as test scripting for HIV positive men increases..i have had no negative test results from my use to date..

s2h..do you take any antie's?

[buresu]

I have been on 200-300mg of test per week for the last 5 years now, and my blood tests come in good. Your blood panels dont only reflect the amount of test you are taking but also reflect your lifestyle. If you are eating the wrong foods, it will affect your cholesterol levels and if you are not fit and in good shape cardio wise, it will affect your blood pressure.
I say dont take any more than 300 mg per week if you are going long term. I dont see a problem with throwing in some deca and anavar for 3 months out of the year, my doctor allows me that. Again, if you want to have overall good blood panels, make sure you take care of yourself, and of course, i hope your doc has prescribed you antiestrogens because estrogen is the main culprit in aging men.
Also, doses in the 200-300 mg range of testosterone per week are VERY VERY suffecient in gaining and keeping muscle mass, if its not doing the job for you, you need to look at your diet and training. Good luck.
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what kind of antie's did your doc prescribe you..and what's the dosage? Thanks

[joe d]

so 250 is enough for life ?

there is no set dose that is good for life.

[bad rad]

btw, giving blood is good for the community and aas users, not to mention the free hematocrit test...

This so true, my cousin is on a the liver transplant list and constantly getting transfusions. For those that give thanks, everybody else please start.

[LittleChris]

what kind of antie's did your doc prescribe you..and what's the dosage? Thanks

Hi, my doc prescribes me arimidex at 1mg 3 times a week, so i take it mon,wed, and friday.

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[s2h]

Hi, my doc prescribes me arimidex at 1mg 3 times a week, so i take it mon,wed, and friday.

-we must have the same doc....

[Dre23]

what kind of antie's did your doc prescribe you..and what's the dosage? Thanks

25mg Aromasin daily. But I usually only take it M/W/F and stock pile the rest in case Test doses ease their way up. :yep:

[Greg0ry]

I run 250mg/wk because it's CHEAP... 20-30 weeks out of the year I bump it to 500mg for 10 week blasts where I also toss in some orals...

[LittleChris]

I run 250mg/wk because it's CHEAP... 20-30 weeks out of the year I bump it to 500mg for 10 week blasts where I also toss in some orals...
Thats pretty much what i do. i look and feel great year round!

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[Greg0ry]

Here in a few weeks I'm gonna go back to 500mg/wk and toss in 50mg/ed of Winny

[Shariff Abel]

how about 100mg/wk will it still give some result then not taking it at all .
how long would you recommended staying on 100mg .

[Greg0ry]

how about 100mg/wk will it still give some result then not taking it at all .
how long would you recommended staying on 100mg .

Don't think that would do much at all.

[Dre23]

how about 100mg/wk will it still give some result then not taking it at all .
how long would you recommended staying on 100mg .

JUST 100mg of test? That will shut down your endogenous so you won't be making hardly any at all, and then this little bit of exogenous amount prob will do very little. At least in regards to actual muscle growth or even maintenance.

[D_T]

A 20'something guy produces roughly the equivalent of 7-10mg test per day, so 50-75mg weekly. I don't get people who act like they're wasting their time training on less than 500mg test. I don't see any reason to cruise on more than 250-300mg; that's 4-5 X what you're normally getting.

I'm starting to see why people don't want to come off now. You're already defeated and convinced you're going to shrivel away when you do.

[Greg0ry]

A 20'something guy produces roughly the equivalent of 7-10mg test per day, so 50-75mg weekly. I don't get people who act like they're wasting their time training on less than 500mg test. I don't see any reason to cruise on more than 250-300mg; that's 4-5 X what you're normally getting.

I'm starting to see why people don't want to come off now. You're already defeated and convinced you're going to shrivel away when you do.

This is why I only cruise at 250mg/wk

I'm not afraid I'll shrivel though if I come off, lol... Do to my job (mil) I know in the future during deployments I'll have to come off for 6 months at a time, unless I get an oral or something to take while I'm gone...

[barbellman]

A 20'something guy produces roughly the equivalent of 7-10mg test per day, so 50-75mg weekly. I don't get people who act like they're wasting their time training on less than 500mg test. I don't see any reason to cruise on more than 250-300mg; that's 4-5 X what you're normally getting.

I'm starting to see why people don't want to come off now. You're already defeated and convinced you're going to shrivel away when you do.



yup mentally weak people.

[heavyiron]

how about 100mg/wk will it still give some result then not taking it at all .
how long would you recommended staying on 100mg .
Depends on the ester and frequency of administration. The heavier the ester the less free hormone per 100mg so Cyp will be way less free hormone then say Prop.

In human studies 125mg Cyp weekly was pretty close to replacement so no real sense in shutting yourself down just to replace your T levels.

[LittleChris]

JUST 100mg of test? That will shut down your endogenous so you won't be making hardly any at all, and then this little bit of exogenous amount prob will do very little. At least in regards to actual muscle growth or even maintenance.

this

[Dre23]

yup mentally weak people.

Stop talking about me!!! :zip:

[Dre23]

Depends on the ester and frequency of administration. The heavier the ester the less free hormone per 100mg so Cyp will be way less free hormone then say Prop.

In human studies 125mg Cyp weekly was pretty close to replacement so no real sense in shutting yourself down just to replace your T levels.

So, take .25cc every other day of Prop & you'd be good to go possibly?

Soooo not worth it IMO. :no:

[Waylon]

This is why I only cruise at 250mg/wk

I'm not afraid I'll shrivel though if I come off, lol... Do to my job (mil) I know in the future during deployments I'll have to come off for 6 months at a time, unless I get an oral or something to take while I'm gone...

lol people I know have got their stuff while on tour in Iraq so I'd imagine Afghanistan can't be all that different, I mean something like 80% of the worlds opium comes out of there so I think they got bigger stuff to deal with

[DameDash]

Good read so far. I just began my TRT today at 150mg ew. I go back in 6 weeks for labs. My NP said she'll prob bump me up then, see if I need an AI and start me on Hcg. She told me from jump street that they don't believe in screwing around with little placebo test doses. They want to see you at optimal levels and they always use Hcg in younger males at least. I feel like I am in good hands so far. And the cost is not "FLORIDA" crazy outrageous. My insurance pays for most of it.