beliefs regarding pro bodybuilders and the amount of hgh they take

[-BLP-]

i myself has a amateur bber start a 18ui a day journal , it' became quite multi dimensional , ppls say it stupid , meaningless , awesome , incredible , useless

from my sight 18ui a day for a pro it's a laugh, it nothing a budget of 250k a year of drugs it what you need

36ui hgh a day and talking about high end quality pre mix nutropin aq

im a clown , im delllusional , or this is th reality

let me know

thk u

[lilhawk1]

I've heard of those amounts and more.

[-BLP-]

yah me too

in th living/real secret experience

at 265 with abs i become a litlle monster but not a pro look.. will love too

carry weaker genetic tho

[Jer]

I can't speak for all Pro BB's, but the couple I know don't use anywhere near that much.

[-BLP-]

in my vision it' extreme dosage for long time , consistency 36ui ED for 5-6 years bring a freak

less then 10ui i fell nothing now

wonder what swiper think of this ..

[tony44]

i myself has a amateur bber start a 18ui a day journal , it' became quite multi dimensional , ppls say it stupid , meaningless , awesome , incredible , useless

from my sight 18ui a day for a pro it's a laugh, it nothing a budget of 250k a year of drugs it what you need

36ui hgh a day and talking about high end quality pre mix nutropin aq

im a clown , im delllusional , or this is th reality

let me know

thk u
You're a clown, delusional, but it is reality. Not even Palumbo took that much gh.

[Swiper]

in my vision it' extreme dosage for long time , consistency 36ui ED for 5-6 years bring a freak

less then 10ui i fell nothing now

wonder what swiper think of this ..

I think it's worth experimenting. I never went over 10 iu ed. seems to work for me. If i had the $ I'd do more. Would be nice to know from a top 5 pro what they really take. you hear a lot of different amounts, but who really knows. i do believe jer. he has a lot of credibility in my book.

[D_T]

If you have what it takes to be a pro it doesn't take that much.

[Swiper]

Has anyone ever asked Dave what's the most gh you can take to build muscle without it being a waste? Would love to know his view on this.

[barbellman]

I think some of you guys are buying into BIG hype. As someone who knows ifbb pros and discusses drugs with them, this 18+ IU shit is bsssssssssssssssssssss. Half of these guys arent even making decent money from bodybuilding, they cannot afford big growth doses, sometimes cannot even make house payment/child support. Think more 4-10iu of hgh, are some using mega doses? Of course they are, but a great majority are not running these insane doses.

[Warped]

Rodney St Cloud said he used 12 ui a day,that`s what he could afford.
And I have heard of someone saying someone taking 20 iu. The cost is the big limiting factor.

[300lbmonster]

I know a couple pros too and barbellman is right. Most pros would probably do more if they could afford it but thats not the case so usually 10iu's is the most I here from them. I have heard the higher numbers about some top pros but its just speculation so that means nothing.

[Bob Smith Jr.]

dave has always said anymore than 5 iu is a waste......i know ronnie did up to 32 iu a day, same with kai.....I also know jay said regarding gh to use as much as you can afford. I also know that when vic got 2nd at the o, he was running 10 iu of gh pre contest.

[ok303]

Has anyone ever asked Dave what's the most gh you can take to build muscle without it being a waste? Would love to know his view on this.

Dave mentioned in one of the heavymuscle radio shows mentioning he doesn't think any human ever needs to go above 5iu per day.

Here is a another reference about dosage: RX Muscle Forums - View Single Post - Dave at your peak what was your cycle like.. the truth!!!

[Massfreak2063]

Dave mentioned in one of the heavymuscle radio shows mentioning he doesn't think any human ever needs to go above 5iu per day.


Pro bodybuilders aren't human though

[PDL]

dave has always said anymore than 5 iu is a waste......i know ronnie did up to 32 iu a day, same with kai.....I also know jay said regarding gh to use as much as you can afford. I also know that when vic got 2nd at the o, he was running 10 iu of gh pre contest.

^ that would explain why kai lives in a shitty project

[JacksonRose]

This is terrifying

[GottaGetLean]

I think some of you guys are buying into BIG hype. As someone who knows ifbb pros and discusses drugs with them, this 18+ IU shit is bsssssssssssssssssssss. Half of these guys arent even making decent money from bodybuilding, they cannot afford big growth doses, sometimes cannot even make house payment/child support. Think more 4-10iu of hgh, are some using mega doses? Of course they are, but a great majority are not running these insane doses.

i agree.

[jhender82]

I'm new to gh just running my second kit at 6 iu a day, great gains so far but would run more if I had the funds.

[JamesWebb]

there has to be a point of diminishing returns, i have a hard time believing it is much above 10iu of pharm grade growth. but maybe im just not in the know.

[toxic Avenger]

GH, slin, AAS, peptides.. they all open the door but the work and diet that goes through the door is a big factor. You can only open a door so far. These f***ers train their balls off and have crazy genetics. I think that has something to do with it. I just can't buy into the idea that ridiculously high and expensive drug consumption is the be all and end all answer.

[Swiper]

Usual Adult Dose for Cachexia
AIDS-related wasting or cachexia:

Serostim: subcutaneously once daily at bedtime:
less than 35 kg: 0.1 mg/kg
35 kg to 44 kg: 4 mg
45 kg to 55 kg: 5 mg
greater than 55 kg: 6 mg

Usual Adult Dose for Short Bowel Syndrome
Short bowel syndrome:
Zorbtive:
0.1 mg/kg subcutaneously once daily. Maximum 8 mg daily. Treatment longer than 4 weeks has not been studied adequately. Excessive fluid retention or arthralgias may be treated symptomatically or by a 50% dosage reduction; stop therapy for up to 5 days prior to lowering dosage if symptoms are severe; if symptoms do not resolve after 5 days or recur with the lowered dosage, discontinue treatment.

Usual Pediatric Dose for Pediatric Growth Hormone Deficiency
Genotropin and Omnitrope:
0.16 to 0.24 mg/kg/week subcutaneously- divided into equal doses given either 6 or 7 times a week.
Growth failure due to Prader-Willi syndrome: 0.24 mg/kg/week subcutaneously - divided into equal doses given either 6 or 7 times a week.
Growth failure in children who were born small for gestational age: 0.48 mg/kg/week subcutaneously - divided into equal doses given either 6 or 7 times a week.

Humatrope:
0.18 mg/kg per week subcutaneously - divided into equal doses given either on alternate days or 6 times a week. Maximum weekly dose is 0.3 mg/kg)
Growth failure in children who were born small for gestational age: 0.47 mg/kg/week subcutaneously - divided into equal doses given either 6 or 7 times a week.

Norditropin:
0.024 to 0.034 mg/kg subcutaneously 6 or 7 times a week.
Growth failure in children who were born small for gestational age: 0.469 mg/kg/week subcutaneously - divided into equal doses given 7 times a week.

Nutropin and Nutropin AQ:
0.3 mg/kg per week subcutaneously - divided into daily injections. In pubertal patients, dosage may be increased to 0.7 mg/kg per week - divided into daily injections.

Nutropin Depot:
1.5 mg/kg subcutaneously once a month (given on the same day of each month). Patients more than 15 kg will require more than one injection.
-or-
0.75 mg/kg subcutaneously twice a month (given on the same days of each month - e.g. days 1 and 15 of each month). Patients more than 30 kg will require more than one injection.

Saizen:
0.06 mg/kg by subcutaneous injection 3 times per week.

Tev-Tropin:
0.1 mg/kg by subcutaneous injection 3 times per week.

Usual Pediatric Dose for Turner's Syndrome
Genotropin:
0.33 mg/kg subcutaneously per week - divided into equal daily doses or on 3 alternate days.
Norditropin:
up to 0.067 mg/kg/day
Nutropin and Nutropin AQ:
Up to 0.375 mg/kg subcutaneously per week - divided into equal doses 3 to 7 times per week.

Usual Pediatric Dose for Idiopathic Short Stature
Genotropin:
0.47 mg/kg weekly subcutaneously divided into equal doses 6 to 7 days/week
Humatrope:
Up to 0.37 mg/kg per week subcutaneously divided into 6 or 7 equal doses
Nutropin and Nutropin AQ:
Up to 0.3 mg/kg subcutaneously per week divided into daily doses

Usual Pediatric Dose for Growth Retardation - Chronic Renal Failure
Nutropin and Nutropin AQ:
0.35 mg/kg per week subcutaneously. May be continued until time of transplantation.

Dosage recommendations in patients treated for Chronic Renal Failure who require dialysis:
Hemodialysis: Administer dose at night prior to bedtime or at least 3 to 4 hours after hemodialysis to prevent hematoma formation from heparin.
CCPD: Administer dose in the morning following dialysis
CAPD: Administer dose in the evening at the time of overnight exchange

Usual Pediatric Dose for Noonan's Syndrome
Norditropin:
up to 0.066 mg/kg/day

Usual Pediatric Dose for Short Stature for Age
Short stature born SGA (short for gestational age) with no catch-up growth by age 2-4 years:
Norditropin: Up to 0.067 mg/kg/day administered subcutaneously.
Humatrope: Up to 0.067 mg/kg/day (0.47 mg/kg/week) administered subcutaneously.

Short stature or growth failure in children with short stature homeobox-containing gene (SHOX) deficiency:
Humatrope: 0.050 mg/kg/day (0.35 mg/kg/week) administered subcutaneously.

Usual Pediatric Dose for Cachexia
AIDS-related wasting or cachexia:
Serostim: 0.04-0.07 mg/kg/day subcutaneously for 4 weeks (limited information).
http://www.drugs.com/dosage/somatropin.html





assuming this is right, ^^ looks like the most recommended that a doc would prescribe for an illness is upwards of 18 ius ed. thats if you have aids.

[-BLP-]

i got to be dillisional lol because i dont believe most of you

the reality is you amateur level bber when you try to get a warren look

i might be psycho but for me it money first , genetic second

i know freaky great genetic who make top 3 national with a
1000$ but without money they dont go further

[-BLP-]

dave has always said anymore than 5 iu is a waste......i know ronnie did up to 32 iu a day, same with kai.....I also know jay said regarding gh to use as much as you can afford. I also know that when vic got 2nd at the o, he was running 10 iu of gh pre contest.

true , that my near my vision

cmon , 5ui lol i know ppl at 200 pounds on 5ui, member who did touch gh should make asumption

dave hav said he gain 30 pounds on 1gf

and swiper still fell th 10ui bring progressive mass or adding more will be beneficial ?

let's say you win 500k with lottery what will be your gh budget ?

[JamesWebb]

if i won the lottery my life expectancy would plummet and the moon would be the limit

[Swiper]

true , that my near my vision

cmon , 5ui lol i know ppl at 200 pounds on 5ui, member who did touch gh should make asumption

dave hav said he gain 30 pounds on 1gf

and swiper still fell th 10ui bring progressive mass or adding more will be beneficial ?

let's say you win 500k with lottery what will be your gh budget ?

If i had the $ I'd bump it up to 20ius ed. Just to try it. I don't know if it would be beneficial. I still think 10 ius ed works good for mass building. Could 20iu ed be better??? don't know. as you already know, drugs can only take you so far. For me adding more food in my diet helped out a lot. I don't know how much you're currently eating, but if i were you I'd be eating all day long. being on that much gh you probably don't have to worry about bf all that much.

[barbellman]

Like I said there is no way some of these guys are running 20IU. Some people seem to build up IFBB pros as this great fantasy island where drugs flow freely and everything is free. If you are Jay Culter? Probably If you are Ronnie? Probably

but honestly...alot of these guys are just doing this for a "career", they know they will never make the olympia top 3 or certainly never WIN the olympia. But like Tom Prince said, even being very well educated, he made more money being a "good bodybuilder" and for the freak factor then he EVER WOULD HAVE MADE with his master's degree. They are doing it to make $50-100K and be happy in their lives, and what I just mentioned is very few; some struggle just to make $20-30K from sponsers and get no contest money.

It just pisses me off to hear some of these insane doses, trust me, if some of these guys had that kind of money, they wouldn't be struggling with 200-300K in debt.

"If Ronnie runs 32iu, then I need to run 40IU", been said a million times but you aren't ronnie coleman, and if you are, get your ass on stage you've got millions waiting for you. 4-10iu guys, thats it, plain and simple. Be safe

[Jer]

I.... i do believe jer. he has a lot of credibility in my book.
I appriciate that bro. I don't open my mouth about things I have no clue about, but when I have some knowledge on a topic I like to share.



I think some of you guys are buying into BIG hype. As someone who knows ifbb pros and discusses drugs with them, this 18+ IU shit is bsssssssssssssssssssss. Half of these guys arent even making decent money from bodybuilding, they cannot afford big growth doses, sometimes cannot even make house payment/child support. Think more 4-10iu of hgh, are some using mega doses? Of course they are, but a great majority are not running these insane doses.

I gotta agree with this for the most part.



I'm sure there are some guys pushing it to 25-30+, but I certainly don't think it's the norm.

[BC123Jm]

years ago i had a good friend who got 4 kits of sero
a month on medicaid, so i got them from him dirt cheap.

so i was excited to try a higher dose.

i tried 9 iu's of sero a day and had to quit after 2 weeks
due to the joint pain and water rentetion.

i cant imagine the side effects at 18ius a day.

[Swiper]

years ago i had a good friend who got 4 kits of sero
a month on medicaid, so i got them from him dirt cheap.

so i was excited to try a higher dose.

i tried 9 iu's of sero a day and had to quit after 2 weeks
due to the joint pain and water rentetion.

i cant imagine the side effects at 18ius a day.

If you slowly work your way up, the sides aren't that bad

[D_T]

My hands hurt on 2IU daily even after a year. I'd want to cut them off if I was at 8IU.

[BC123Jm]

If you slowly work your way up, the sides aren't that bad

yeah, i just started whacking 1/2 a bottle a day right
out of the gate.

i would like to try again, but my buddy isnt around anymore.

RIP ralphie boy

[barbellman]

My hands hurt on 2IU daily even after a year. I'd want to cut them off if I was at 8IU.

amen we must be super responders or something because I'm with you. 2iu my feet fucking hurt, hands ALWAYS in pain, and joints like the tin man

[adpolice]

Well it is also genetics,some people are born to be great bbers,some aren't...How many times have you seen two young buddies that begin bbing together,do the same training,eating the same foods...3 months after one has already developed muscles,the other doesn't even look like he is training...

[Rymdkaviar]

Well it is also genetics,some people are born to be great bbers,some aren't...How many times have you seen two young buddies that begin bbing together,do the same training,eating the same foods...3 months after one has already developed muscles,the other doesn't even look like he is training...

dont we all hate those easy developing mother fuckers! ye you heard me..MOTHER FUCKERS. Ill just compensate with the needle tho np :yep:

[adpolice]

dont we all hate those easy developing mother fuckers! ye you heard me..MOTHER FUCKERS. Ill just compensate with the needle tho np :yep:

Oh yessss!We dooooo!!!:yep:

[BC123Jm]

dont we all hate those easy developing mother fuckers! ye you heard me..MOTHER FUCKERS. Ill just compensate with the needle tho np :yep:

why you gotta hate on me bro.

[barbellman]

dont we all hate those easy developing mother fuckers! ye you heard me..MOTHER FUCKERS. Ill just compensate with the needle tho np :yep:


haterrrrrrrrrrrrrrr lol

seriously though I benched 225lb first night in the gym

that made my jr high school peen SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HUGE at the time :yep:

[adpolice]

haterrrrrrrrrrrrrrr lol

seriously though I benched 225lb first night in the gym

that made my jr high school peen SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HUGE at the time :yep:

That's impressive!You are a born powerlifter...This is what i'm talking about actually.Talent must be there in first place...everyone is juicing...so what makes the difference..?I doubt it is just more juice....

[Rymdkaviar]

why you gotta hate on me bro.

:p;) Im just jealous, clearly, and I admit it!

[alpmaster]

dave has always said anymore than 5 iu is a waste......i know ronnie did up to 32 iu a day, same with kai.....I also know jay said regarding gh to use as much as you can afford. I also know that when vic got 2nd at the o, he was running 10 iu of gh pre contest.



LOL so you sat down and had a conversation with ronnie and kai? And they spoke of their GH use? Or was it from some muscle mag? Or a forum post.

Haha

Have to disagree with you this time barbellman. There's a reason why the biggest thing before GH was arnold @ 6'1'' 235lbs. Dexter Jackson is the same weight at 5'6".

Oh and yeah, Dave Palumbo definitely used just 5iu of GH, I mean, the whole entirely morphed head, jaw, hands, and feet thing was from crealyze.

[Rymdkaviar]

barbell man: I guess you won the gene lottery then, congrats! Make well use of it! :p
adpolice: Yep, definitely, you need to have/do what others dont. Everyone can juice, train, eat, sleep but not everyone can have über genes.. .. . .. YET. ;)

am I the only one who cant get the multi quote function to work. With firefox nothing happens, and IE says script error. Fucking mootools. Pootools is a better describing name. End of e-rage.

[Con]

Which pro's are you talking about exactly....
A lot of the pro's are not even that massive but they have amazing shape and genetics (Dexter Jackson for example).
On the point of genetics look at Tom Platz, no amount of gh will make your legs look like that.
Sure take tons of drugs and make your whole body get massive but its the whole body so the illusion never really improves does it?!
Who cares if your 300lb ripped if you have the propotions (waist to leg difference arm to head and so on)as a guy who is 200lb.

Any way where is the proof that gh makes muscle grow this much besides on message boards?

[s2h]

as GH use increases in the medical community..largely in the area of HIV positive men..the amount of clinical research has grown..in these types of studies it has been shown that excessive GH use isnt what many at first thought it was in regards to being a "muscle builder"..keep in mind these studies are from HIV positive men mostly..not studies in BB's with a healthy immunine system..what has been found in the BB community is that GH used at a modest dose(4-6ius ed) along the combination of other PEDs has greatly increased the effectivness of GH in many ways not thought of or studied before..its a real game of trail and error..and a game that comes with a high price tag...

[-BLP-]

my gh experience

3 months ghrp6 dirt cheap .. + 3 month chinese generic 5ui ED , i litteraly sleep for 3 months even nap on bench in gym on fat burner , adapt to it , i turn to quality domestic , norvo , arctotropin , hardcore g , th new flavor press cake hgh of th month kinda a thing , increase slowly to 10ui EOD , for about 2 years , first year was great, but only maintain same size on second years , i switch to pharmagrade way too late , i get th finance mind for it , then jump 9ui EOD , omfg , breathing heavy , pituary gland dream entire night, 4 months after obvious gain , ppls at gym mention i look bigger every week , go to 9ui a day ,after 2 months seem to maintain 260-265 with th leanest i ever been offseason , 9ui pharm felt like nothing eventually , i think fuck it , i got two years to go before out of competitive world, wont buy a house , carelless about car, 18ui a day boom kept 260-265 but with better roundness n quAlity , im 35 mayb my natural gh suck .. i make obvious gain and in june will see final result of this , once i see on stage weight n look , i came to conclusion of 18ui, you make it national but it not a pro dosage ,

start at 18ui all of a sudden on a first day try out will b insane but after few years it' no biggie... it' fun

[barbellman]

LOL so you sat down and had a conversation with ronnie and kai? And they spoke of their GH use? Or was it from some muscle mag? Or a forum post.

Haha

Have to disagree with you this time barbellman. There's a reason why the biggest thing before GH was arnold @ 6'1'' 235lbs. Dexter Jackson is the same weight at 5'6".

Oh and yeah, Dave Palumbo definitely used just 5iu of GH, I mean, the whole entirely morphed head, jaw, hands, and feet thing was from crealyze.


Nobody said pro's dont use HGH, obviously they do. But this 30-40iu+ BS is NOT the norm, I'll assure you of that.

[Con]

There also was far fewer people bodybuilding in Arnolds era which means less genetic potential.

[alpmaster]

Ok I'll say it one time so my message is clear.


ANYONE can be 260+ pound lean (talking average height of 5'8"-5'10" here). ANYONE. Now WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE at that weight is genetic. Waist/hip size, muscle bellies, muscle instructional, wide clavicles, THESE are genetic components and will dictate how far you go in bodybuilding, now SIZE can all be achieved.

Look at your beloved Palumbo. A skinny frail kid is whole life, tiny tiny frame, 120 pound in college. BOOM 300lb lean huge motherfucker. Oh you think this tiny kid is whole life just had this secret muscle building genetic element that was just waiting to make him huge? Look at his head and jaw. His feet are fucking HUGE for his height. You think someone has some godly "metabolism" to walk around all day that lean on some 8,000 calorie massive carb massive fat mcdonald diet? LOL god some people are blind.


Look there's a reason a horse doesn't lift a weight in it's life, eats a 100% vegetarian non-bodybuilding diet and is just a walking fuckton of lean muscle. There's a reason gorillas can fuck around all day, eat some fucking berries and insects and be 5'6'' 400lbs, its called H O R M O N E.


Even the OP is shoving it right in front of your face. Anyone can be fucking ridiculous huge and lean but what you LOOK like at that weight is what is "bodybuilding genetics". There's a reason Ronnie coleman @ 245 looks fucking huge compared to Palumbo @ 285.

PS thanks to Con for summarizing this entire post, at least someone gets it

[-BLP-]

great point alp

ok let's me phrase this again then

if your genetic suck like me and want to be a massive freaky on stage 30k of hgh will do th job

19 june i get pics n members will tel me if i did was great or stupid

in my book spend as much as you can , more is beneficial n dont stuck on generic too
long .. and if you dont believe me get pharm grade gh to see th major difference

[JacksonRose]

WHy don't you try 40 iu's of generic a day?

[alpmaster]

great point alp

ok let's me phrase this again then

if your genetic suck like me and want to be a massive freaky on stage 30k of hgh will do th job

19 june i get pics n members will tel me if i did was great or stupid

in my book spend as much as you can , more is beneficial n dont stuck on generic too
long .. and if you dont believe me get pharm grade gh to see th major difference

You know I'm glad that we're in the few, because these other guys keep the dream alive.

Keep believing Lee Priest does 400mg/week of deca. Keep believing Palumbo did up to 5iu of GH. And keep writing about how you're on 500mg a week of test, and then adding tren in later as a "cutter". Keep buying chinese generic nothingness and saying GH doesn't work.

[alpmaster]

WHy don't you try 40 iu's of generic a day?

Because it's either fake or severely UNPURE, does not work like GH is supposed to.

This is what real GH is:

Nutropin
Humatrope
Saizen
Serostim


THAT shit will make anyone a Jumbo Palumbo.

[Jer]

Ok I'll say it one time so my message is clear.


ANYONE can be 260+ pound lean (talking average height of 5'8"-5'10" here). ANYONE. Now WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE at that weight is genetic. Waist/hip size, muscle bellies, muscle instructional, wide clavicles, THESE are genetic components and will dictate how far you go in bodybuilding, now SIZE can all be achieved.

Look at your beloved Palumbo. A skinny frail kid is whole life, tiny tiny frame, 120 pound in college. BOOM 300lb lean huge motherfucker. Oh you think this tiny kid is whole life just had this secret muscle building genetic element that was just waiting to make him huge? Look at his head and jaw. His feet are fucking HUGE for his height. You think someone has some godly "metabolism" to walk around all day that lean on some 8,000 calorie massive carb massive fat mcdonald diet? LOL god some people are blind.


Look there's a reason a horse doesn't lift a weight in it's life, eats a 100% vegetarian non-bodybuilding diet and is just a walking fuckton of lean muscle. There's a reason gorillas can fuck around all day, eat some fucking berries and insects and be 5'6'' 400lbs, its called H O R M O N E.


Even the OP is shoving it right in front of your face. Anyone can be fucking ridiculous huge and lean but what you LOOK like at that weight is what is "bodybuilding genetics". There's a reason Ronnie coleman @ 245 looks fucking huge compared to Palumbo @ 285.

PS thanks to Con for summarizing this entire post, at least someone gets it

So, what's your clear message? I don't see it.

Are you saying that all the huge Pro's are on a shit ton of GH?

[alpmaster]

So, what's your clear message? I don't see it.

Are you saying that all the huge Pro's are on a shit ton of GH?

Among other things yes. There's a reason we never ever saw 265+ pounds on stage untill GH became widely available.

Here I'll use pictures so people can understand better:


ANYONE can look like this


http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/53/images/Art_Atwood_88.jpg

NOT everyone can look like this

http://muscle.iuhu.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/dexter-jackson.jpg

[Jer]

Well, that may be your opinion, but I know several Pro's and they don't use double didget IU's/day.

I'm certainly not saying that NONE of them do, I obviously don't know what everyone takes, but not all of them are using a kit or more a week.

[alpmaster]

You guys are also under the false impression that a Pro who's whole life is what they do and needs to keep the facade that drugs are "just the finishing touch" (to quote Cicherillo) is going to tell you they use 20iu a day of GH when they want you to believe they're using 4iu. And yet ALL the people using that much never seem to get anywhere near their size.

Also, as I said, 10iu of TRUE pharmaceutical GH is far greater than you can ever imagine some nasty chinese shit can do. LOL trust me it's not even funny

[-BLP-]

most pro jer lie , c' mon , by professional protection, it' understandable

[Jer]

most pro jer lie , c' mon , by professional protection, it' understandable

I certainly can appriciate that too. I mean, if you're emailing some Pro who you've never spoken with, yeah, don't expect to get the 100% truth.

I'm saying though, why would someone be so open with everthing else they do, lie about the amount of GH they are using?


I'm not trying to change anyone mind here, I'm just putting in some infomation that I have. Anyone can take it or leave it, believe me or not, it's not going to hurt my feelings.

[alpmaster]

I certainly can appriciate that too. I mean, if you're emailing some Pro who you've never spoken with, yeah, don't expect to get the 100% truth.

I'm saying though, why would someone be so open with everthing else they do, lie about the amount of GH they are using?


I'm not trying to change anyone mind here, I'm just putting in some infomation that I have. Anyone can take it or leave it, believe me or not, it's not going to hurt my feelings.


What would make someone respect a Pro more?

"I eat a very meticulous diet. I eat 6 equally portioned out meals a day, mostly 10oz of fish or chicken, with 1 cup of rice or oatmeal. I give my all in the gym, I push weight with such intensity it would cause a normal man to pass out. I am very dedicated."

"I eat a very meticulous diet. I eat 6 equally portioned out meals a day, mostly 10oz of fish or chicken, with 1 cup of rice or oatmeal. I give my all in the gym, I push weight with such intensity it would cause a normal man to pass out. I am very dedicated. Oh, I'm also using 20iu a day of serostim GH, split into 2 doses. I take 40iu of eli lilly humalog insulin per day as well. I'm using 2250mg of schering testosterone, 900mg of finaplex tren per week, 1200mg of EQ. I take 4 tabs of irani hormone anadrol per day. SEO in my delts and tris."

[Dre23]

I've taken A LOT...like a lot...medical grade/scripted Genotropin...but only for about a week b/c all I could pretty much do is sleep like a baby. It was almost too much to train b/c my body just felt like it needed SOOOO much sleep.

But then again, I didn't build up to it either. I had a few extra 36iu kits laying around before a new shipment arrived and decided to do a little hgh bolus. The sleep was nice and the fat loss was cool, but I can't imagine maintaining high doses like that for any length of time.

I tend to believe that most pros have just simply AWESOME genetics and take above average amounts, but not insane either.

[Dre23]

Among other things yes. There's a reason we never ever saw 265+ pounds on stage untill GH became widely available.

Here I'll use pictures so people can understand better:


ANYONE can look like this


http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/53/images/Art_Atwood_88.jpg

NOT everyone can look like this

http://muscle.iuhu.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/dexter-jackson.jpg

Great comparison! Even if I don't alway buy the tossed around idea that "the lighter guy uses less stuff". Maybe he uses more/just as much and his genetic structure is such that he doesn't end up looking like just a gob of muscle...

[Jer]

What would make someone respect a Pro more?

"I eat a very meticulous diet. I eat 6 equally portioned out meals a day, mostly 10oz of fish or chicken, with 1 cup of rice or oatmeal. I give my all in the gym, I push weight with such intensity it would cause a normal man to pass out. I am very dedicated."

"I eat a very meticulous diet. I eat 6 equally portioned out meals a day, mostly 10oz of fish or chicken, with 1 cup of rice or oatmeal. I give my all in the gym, I push weight with such intensity it would cause a normal man to pass out. I am very dedicated. Oh, I'm also using 20iu a day of serostim GH, split into 2 doses. I take 40iu of eli lilly humalog insulin per day as well. I'm using 2250mg of schering testosterone, 900mg of finaplex tren per week, 1200mg of EQ. I take 4 tabs of irani hormone anadrol per day. SEO in my delts and tris."

I would respect the second answer more, if it were the truth.

Just like anyone else, I'm curious to know what guys are doing. It's just human nature to be curious about something that is interesting to you.

I can totally understand why guys are writing out their cycles in there monthly magazine colums though.

[Game Time]

It's the sad truth, training takes a backseat to the drugs. You can train/eat to the best of your ability and make some gains. You start taking GH and you can half ass it at the gym with a semi shitty diet and make monster gains.

GH = BB'ing.

As said earlier, Palumbo did not grow his head, feet and entire body on 4IU/day. Monster doses as key!!!

[alpmaster]

It's the sad truth, training takes a backseat to the drugs. You can train/eat to the best of your ability and make some gains. You start taking GH and you can half ass it at the gym with a semi shitty diet and make monster gains.

GH = BB'ing.



Truth gentlemen.

[Game Time]

To bad guys like Juan, Aceto, Pulambo and PJ haven't given their input on this thread

[-BLP-]

this is the holy grail of truth , hardcore honesty

gh=bbing + many other factor

spend 1-2k week hgh it' now part of th sport *and i think it' great , you need th excessive passion to go that far

* this was mention to me by a pro trainer

[Barrett]

You know I'm glad that we're in the few, because these other guys keep the dream alive.

Keep believing Lee Priest does 400mg/week of deca. Keep believing Palumbo did up to 5iu of GH. And keep writing about how you're on 500mg a week of test, and then adding tren in later as a "cutter". Keep buying chinese generic nothingness and saying GH doesn't work.

This is no knock to you as a man, but the amount of ignorance in your posts is fucking unfathomable. The ideas and mentality you possess is scary and I'm actually in awe of your statements. The reason bodybuilders are revered as idiots is because of senseless, poorly thought, dull, beyond unintelligent thinking and behavior you're displaying. I hope to god you aren't a drinker. Because if you think two drinks feels good or is OK, 46 drinks must be better and must mean you're crossing into a new threshold. A new realm is awating past the 46 drink mark. You my friend are the embodiment of the "Bodybuilder mentality". Please keep posting. My cable is out and you're my only source of entertainment for awhile.

[spude]

No guys...blp and alpmaster are the only ones here fully understanding the truth...i know a couple of amateurs in europe using around 12-16iu/day and if they had money they would use more...im personally shooting 8iu a day and planning on working it slowly up as well

you guys ever thought why most the bb'ers are in financial problems, why they do g4p, why they sell drugs...its cos thy spend fucking every penny they have in hormones, first gh then anabolics...competitive bb'er can go off aas and shrink a bit but IF and WHEN he still has lots of lots of quality growth hormone in his system he can come back in no time, kevin is a good example...semi huge musician in the off-season, fucking sick monster on stage

GH is modern bodybuilding...it makes aas more effective, it reduces sides of high androgens, it increases appetite, it makes the legendary "bodybuilding diet" unnecessary etc...there's a reason why arnie competed at 235 at 6ft1 and fellas nowadays compete at 260 height around 5ft8

[alpmaster]

This is no knock to you as a man, but the amount of ignorance in your posts is fucking unfathomable. The ideas and mentality you possess is scary and I'm actually in awe of your statements. The reason bodybuilders are revered as idiots is because of senseless, poorly thought, dull, beyond unintelligent thinking and behavior you're displaying. I hope to god you aren't a drinker. Because if you think two drinks feels good or is OK, 46 drinks must be better and must mean you're crossing into a new threshold. A new realm is awating past the 46 drink mark. You my friend are the embodiment of the "Bodybuilder mentality". Please keep posting. My cable is out and you're my only source of entertainment for awhile.

LOL ok junior, keep trying to belittle me without any actual counter argument. As you can already see by the people in the know posting, I'm not lying.

You think Jay Cutler gets into shape for the olympia on an over 6,000 calorie diet due to Hany Rambods mythical perfect combination of brown rice and grilled chicken? You think branch openly talks about consuming up to 800g of carbs when getting into contest shape and its all because he has these badass training sessions? Don't you see how Dave uses his keto diet on low level amateurs who are just barely using AAS because no or low carb diet is the only true way to get shredded, while other top amateurs and pros are pounding down the carbs and shredding up? Carbs only made their way back into bodybuilding diets with the introduction of GH. Are you blind or do I have to connect the dots for you?

You're just ignorant, and I don't blame you. You have not had access to or could afford the brands mentioned and seen/know what real GH can do. Don't worry, it's like I said, we need guys like you to keep the dream/facade alive, cuz to us who actually know a thing or to, we just start seeing the drug game and it's very uninspirational.

So keep working hard. Eat your oatmeal and eggwhites. Do some FST7 and HIT training. And Live the dream.

[sp3t5n4z]

30k of hgh will do th job

just an informal poll: If you won 100k in a lottery (after taxes) would you spend 30k on GH?

just wondering.

[Jer]

No guys...blp and alpmaster are the only ones here fully understanding the truth...i know a couple of amateurs in europe using around 12-16iu/day and if they had money they would use more...im personally shooting 8iu a day and planning on working it slowly up as well



OK, you know a couple of amateurs using 12-16iu's a day. Does that mean every pro has to be using 30+ iu's a day?

Once again, I'm not saying that no pro's are using a high amount of growth, but the tone of this thread insinuates that ALL pro bodybuilders are using a shit load of GH and I just do not believe it.

[Con]

LOL ok junior, keep trying to belittle me without any actual counter argument. As you can already see by the people in the know posting, I'm not lying.

You think Jay Cutler gets into shape for the olympia on an over 6,000 calorie diet due to Hany Rambods mythical perfect combination of brown rice and grilled chicken? You think branch openly talks about consuming up to 800g of carbs when getting into contest shape and its all because he has these badass training sessions? Don't you see how Dave uses his keto diet on low level amateurs who are just barely using AAS because no or low carb diet is the only true way to get shredded, while other top amateurs and pros are pounding down the carbs and shredding up? Carbs only made their way back into bodybuilding diets with the introduction of GH. Are you blind or do I have to connect the dots for you?

You're just ignorant, and I don't blame you. You have not had access to or could afford the brands mentioned and seen/know what real GH can do. Don't worry, it's like I said, we need guys like you to keep the dream/facade alive, cuz to us who actually know a thing or to, we just start seeing the drug game and it's very uninspirational.

So keep working hard. Eat your oatmeal and eggwhites. Do some FST7 and HIT training. And Live the dream.
LMAO! The arrogance is just off the charts, i love it.
Reading asshole posts like this keeps me coming back to this board keep it up:)

[barbellman]

OK, you know a couple of amateurs using 12-16iu's a day. Does that mean every pro has to be using 30+ iu's a day?

Once again, I'm not saying that no pro's are using a high amount of growth, but the tone of this thread insinuates that ALL pro bodybuilders are using a shit load of GH and I just do not believe it.


Well that would be a good thing for you not to believe it because its not true. People with shitty genetics and half assed training are always going to overdo the drugs to make up the difference. I assure you there are guys standing in the top 15 at the Olympia who do not require over 10iu's of growth. If they look better then you do, its always gotta be "he's on more drugs" rather then just admitting you aren't good enough.

[alpmaster]

OK, you know a couple of amateurs using 12-16iu's a day. Does that mean every pro has to be using 30+ iu's a day?

Once again, I'm not saying that no pro's are using a high amount of growth, but the tone of this thread insinuates that ALL pro bodybuilders are using a shit load of GH and I just do not believe it.


Ha good, keep the dream alive.

[spude]

OK, you know a couple of amateurs using 12-16iu's a day. Does that mean every pro has to be using 30+ iu's a day?

Once again, I'm not saying that no pro's are using a high amount of growth, but the tone of this thread insinuates that ALL pro bodybuilders are using a shit load of GH and I just do not believe it.

Well, to be honest...i do know a few ex pros and...guess its ok to admit in the forum where majority of the ppl is 100s of kilometers away form me...ive also sold some generic gh to some top level amateur bb'ers and a couple of athletes as well...and yes, you cant be a high level amateur in europe with less than 8iu a day, and thats a bare minimum im sure theres many AMATEURS who double or triple it...its hard to be a successfu cross-country skiier/ice-hockey player with less than 4iu a day etc...bodybuilding is not the only sport full of drugs but bodybuilding IS the only sport where being successful is 90+% drugs...

[alpmaster]

The people who are actually in the know are making quality posts, and the people who just-don't-want-to-believe-it are just going "noo!" and "lmao". seriosuly I and others put up quality points open for debate, yet I haven't seen anything taken apart.


So stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la la"

[THE_MANN]

alpmaster, repped for the uncensored truth......I think its because people dont want to admit it, and you demonstrated what your talking about very well with the comparison pics.

[HammerStrength12]

this is the holy grail of truth , hardcore honesty

gh=bbing + many other factor

spend 1-2k week hgh it' now part of th sport *and i think it' great , you need th excessive passion to go that far

* this was mention to me by a pro trainer

Did you mean to say bbing=gh+ many other factors? I'm mad confused

[JamesWebb]

The people who are actually in the know are making quality posts, and the people who just-don't-want-to-believe-it are just going "noo!" and "lmao". seriosuly I and others put up quality points open for debate, yet I haven't seen anything taken apart.


So stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la la"

with your vast array of first hand knowledge i would love to see some pics cuz i bet your one of those 300+ lb monsters that you say 'anyone with enough gh' can be. pics or STFU until you are either a)like BLP and actually living it or b)admit that your jealous of the guys who are at that level and want to believe its all drugs, which you don't take enough of, which is why your not them.

[JamesWebb]

alpmaster, repped for the uncensored truth......I think its because people dont want to admit it, and you demonstrated what your talking about very well with the comparison pics.

comparison pics of two guys that he knows literally nothing about from a drug perspective. who is he to say that one guy takes more than another?

[Con]

The people who are actually in the know are making quality posts, and the people who just-don't-want-to-believe-it are just going "noo!" and "lmao". seriosuly I and others put up quality points open for debate, yet I haven't seen anything taken apart.


So stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la la"
Most of us know the truth.
I am also from Europe and know a lot of the top guys.
I don't find your posts unbelievable or anything like that i just find you highly ammusing in how you make the posts, that is all.

But sure keep on posting and argueing with guys are either completely out of the loop or simply find it funny to read your reactions.

[crashcrew56]

with your vast array of first hand knowledge i would love to see some pics cuz i bet your one of those 300+ lb monsters that you say 'anyone with enough gh' can be. pics or STFU until you are either a)like BLP and actually living it or b)admit that your jealous of the guys who are at that level and want to believe its all drugs, which you don't take enough of, which is why your not them.


I don't think anyone is saying that bb is all drugs, it's a lot of other factors, but what he is trying to say here is if you are doing everything right and only take moderate dosages of drugs you aren't going to get to the pro level. It's more of, if everything is done right and you are taking enough drugs then you can get there. I think a lot of guys are afraid to admit how much gh they actually take because they are afraid of everyone think that their physique is all drugs, and doesn't have anything to do with all the other work they put into themselves.

[alpmaster]

comparison pics of two guys that he knows literally nothing about from a drug perspective. who is he to say that one guy takes more than another?


Most of us know the truth.
I am also from Europe and know a lot of the top guys.
I don't find your posts unbelievable or anything like that i just find you highly ammusing in how you make the posts, that is all.

But sure keep on posting and argueing with guys are either completely out of the loop or simply find it funny to read your reactions.

Why thank you ;)


comparison pics of two guys that he knows literally nothing about from a drug perspective. who is he to say that one guy takes more than another?

Is that you in your avatar? LOL look little man, you're not in the real game, please don't bother me

[JamesWebb]

Is that you in your avatar? LOL look little man, you're not in the real game, please don't bother me

yes. is that you in yours?

[ritch]

You are delusional BLP. You've been at this for many years with the mega dosing, yet no offense, it has not gotten you very far. You keep saying a pro body can be bought, yet you are 100% evidence this is not true. Up to you bro what you want to do, but with all you've done you should at least be a solid contender in the Mr Canada show. After all that, and the crazy doses you run, I'd reconsider... But I know you're not about living with "limits or restraints" so keep up the crazy dosing that will lead you to where it does.

[JacksonRose]

You are delusional BLP. You've been at this for many years with the mega dosing, yet no offense, it has not gotten you very far. You keep saying a pro body can be bought, yet you are 100% evidence this is not true. Up to you bro what you want to do, but with all you've done you should at least be a solid contender in the Mr Canada show. After all that, and the crazy doses you run, I'd reconsider... But I know you're not about living with "limits or restraints" so keep up the crazy dosing that will lead you to where it does.

Hey come on man. He has a good build, sure he isn't at the national level yet. But he's 36. No kids. He has NOTHING to look forward to in these last few years before 40 - after 40 his life will revolve around looking after his newly born kids, listening to his wife nag, and chasing paper to pay real bills (no GH fund)

I for one agree with trading in a little bit of health, adding a little bit of jaw, maybe an extra toe AT WORST to fight for the dream one last time.

"It aint over, because the sun is shining, and it ain't over" - Guy who lived in the Van outside Gold's gym in the movie BIGGER FASTER STRONGER

[BC123Jm]

I for one agree with trading in a little bit of health, adding a little bit of jaw, maybe an extra toe AT WORST to fight for the dream one last time.



pure poetry

[ritch]

Hey come on man. He has a good build, sure he isn't at the national level yet. But he's 36. No kids. He has NOTHING to look forward to in these last few years before 40 - after 40 his life will revolve around looking after his newly born kids, listening to his wife nag, and chasing paper to pay real bills (no GH fund)

I for one agree with trading in a little bit of health, adding a little bit of jaw, maybe an extra toe AT WORST to fight for the dream one last time.

"It aint over, because the sun is shining, and it ain't over" - Guy who lived in the Van outside Gold's gym in the movie BIGGER FASTER STRONGER

I really don't want to come off as a hater, but you said it perfectly. "a good build" Now tell me... Should a person who megadoses steroids, gh, insulin for years on end, be left with what is considered a good build? No. By now the results should be much more advanced, way, way more advanced...

I like BLP, like his posts, when he's a guest on a radio show, but now way can you say his steroid abuse is going to lead him to a successful bodybuilding carreer. I mean has he not been told this by now? Somebody needs to be honest about this.

[JacksonRose]

I really don't want to come off as a hater, but you said it perfectly. "a good build" Now tell me... Should a person who megadoses steroids, gh, insulin for years on end, be left with what is considered a good build? No. By now the results should be much more advanced, way, way more advanced...

I like BLP, like his posts, when he's a guest on a radio show, but now way can you say his steroid abuse is going to lead him to a successful bodybuilding carreer. I mean has he not been told this by now? Somebody needs to be honest about this.

He's deceptively thick. When he goes to Mexico, they MOB him thinking he is a famous wrestler. When he goes to china, huge crowds gather to see his biceps.

Sure he isn't going to be an IFBB pro but BLP is an avant-gard philosopher, lover of culture, has violence ingrained in his soul that manifests as thrash metal and serves as an inspiration and possible martyr for heavy supplementation and relationships with transexual men-women

[ritch]

He's deceptively thick. When he goes to Mexico, they MOB him thinking he is a famous wrestler. When he goes to china, huge crowds gather to see his biceps.

Sure he isn't going to be an IFBB pro but BLP is an avant-gard philosopher, lover of culture, has violence ingrained in his soul that manifests as thrash metal and serves as an inspiration and possible martyr for heavy supplementation and relationships with transexual men-women

If I invested that type of cash, no way would I want to be recognized as a wrestler. They're not known for having the nice flowing physique of a bodybuilder. They're known as being big dudes, like a doorman, not specific to their shape and such. Is that really the goal and a conmpliment to a bodybuilder, to be recognized as a wrestler? Although Cena does have a good physique, but I don't see the resemblance between BLP and Cena, maybe how they dress in the pics he posted, I'm guessing that's why they thought he was Cena... Probably the hat that make them think that as well.

Anybody over 200lbs in China will be mistaken for Godzilla, sorry not a good point, lol!

Either way, I wish him all the best, just don't think the mega dosing he does is smart, but deep down inside, I think he realizes that.

[-BLP-]

just an informal poll: If you won 100k in a lottery (after taxes) would you spend 30k on GH?

just wondering.

did not win lottery , i should b fine , contest 18 june , 11 weeks on diet , did 4 weeks so far , and it truly fucking awesome , it insane indeed n it work , i look like closer to a bbers , normal ppls think im a pro lol... 9 weeks off seAson to go , it's come to 24k , im no materialistic n im not living in a shitload either or gf suffer financially either , i hav no regret and 60$ of meat a day ,it's harder in my book, at 35 it's too late, at 25 yo would had be perfect but it' never too late to try out a dream.. injecting sustenon n prop in upper chest that brutal haha .. im sure many of you seen coleman , what th first sentenced who pop in mind ? " wow , what a genetic " or "my god how many unit is that"'.. ??

[-BLP-]

I've taken A LOT...like a lot...medical grade/scripted Genotropin...but only for about a week b/c all I could pretty much do is sleep like a baby. It was almost too much to train b/c my body just felt like it needed SOOOO much sleep.

But then again, I didn't build up to it either. I had a few extra 36iu kits laying around before a new shipment arrived and decided to do a little hgh bolus. The sleep was nice and the fat loss was cool, but I can't imagine maintaining high doses like that for any length of time.

I tend to believe that most pros have just simply AWESOME genetics and take above average amounts, but not insane either.

that sleepy phase last 3-4 months , you got no life , you sleep ! then 9-18ui make you sleep long time , about 12 hours a day , but not ridiculous level , i remember lost 4 months of my life sleeping

you did not keep up long enough , mini quick pzyser genetropin wow!!!

[-BLP-]

I really don't want to come off as a hater, but you said it perfectly. "a good build" Now tell me... Should a person who megadoses steroids, gh, insulin for years on end, be left with what is considered a good build? No. By now the results should be much more advanced, way, way more advanced...

I like BLP, like his posts, when he's a guest on a radio show, but now way can you say his steroid abuse is going to lead him to a successful bodybuilding carreer. I mean has he not been told this by now? Somebody needs to be honest about this.

im done with steroid abuse , i cant , mild tolerance , prim
npp prop n that it

i know im no pro potential , i have all i want in life , i dont fell stay same n keep goin , i want an extra edge , reach th freaky in me i can bring , th will n financial motivation for it came naturally , want to be top 5 national ir near n that my option to nail it , i know others will do better then less , but when i see pro still gain 20 pounds or more a year on mass even after reach freaky size , im skeptical.. i seriously fell 36ui will b th perfect number and that i cant

[THE_MANN]

comparison pics of two guys that he knows literally nothing about from a drug perspective. who is he to say that one guy takes more than another?

From what I gathered, I think alpmaster was not saying one takes x and the other y (Although he IS SAYING that the mass monsters of BB's are taking higher amounts than the majority of people on this board think). I think it was a representation of how genetics is always thrown around, dexter has genetics to look the way he does and the other guy has just packed on loads of muscle obviously via drugs, but dosent have that 'look' if that makes sense. Reminds me of palumbo.

How much did the other guy weigh in that pic?

[barbellman]

From what I gathered, I think alpmaster was not saying one takes x and the other y (Although he IS SAYING that the mass monsters of BB's are taking higher amounts than the majority of people on this board think). I think it was a representation of how genetics is always thrown around, dexter has genetics to look the way he does and the other guy has just packed on loads of muscle obviously via drugs, but dosent have that 'look' if that makes sense. Reminds me of palumbo.

How much did the other guy weigh in that pic?


Damn Palumbo takin a beating in this thread

[THE_MANN]

You are delusional BLP. You've been at this for many years with the mega dosing, yet no offense, it has not gotten you very far. You keep saying a pro body can be bought, yet you are 100% evidence this is not true. Up to you bro what you want to do, but with all you've done you should at least be a solid contender in the Mr Canada show. After all that, and the crazy doses you run, I'd reconsider... But I know you're not about living with "limits or restraints" so keep up the crazy dosing that will lead you to where it does.

Agreed.


Damn Palumbo takin a beating in this thread

lol. No disrepect to the man, but the proprtions and mainly the gut was crazy. Whats your take on his 5IU/day GH? Beliveable?

[spude]

From what I gathered, I think alpmaster was not saying one takes x and the other y (Although he IS SAYING that the mass monsters of BB's are taking higher amounts than the majority of people on this board think). I think it was a representation of how genetics is always thrown around, dexter has genetics to look the way he does and the other guy has just packed on loads of muscle obviously via drugs, but dosent have that 'look' if that makes sense. Reminds me of palumbo.

How much did the other guy weigh in that pic?

Yes...What he ment, and what i mean too...Is that by taking enough drugs, mainly gh, EVERYONE can build himself a fucking huge physique, top national at least...What decides who turns pro and who doesnt, and who does well as a pro and who needs to "escort" creepy old men to make even a decent living and "live the dream", so to say...is genetics, genetic ability to get the best possible results of drugs, genetic ability to abuse them without fucking up ones health, genetic ability to train at lest semi-hard without risking injury...and ofc some brains to know how your body functions and to make it look best on the game day...and lots of lots of money n connections to buy legit drugs...and being smart enough to stay out of rec drugs, alcohol etc...

[adpolice]

This is no knock to you as a man, but the amount of ignorance in your posts is fucking unfathomable. The ideas and mentality you possess is scary and I'm actually in awe of your statements. The reason bodybuilders are revered as idiots is because of senseless, poorly thought, dull, beyond unintelligent thinking and behavior you're displaying. I hope to god you aren't a drinker. Because if you think two drinks feels good or is OK, 46 drinks must be better and must mean you're crossing into a new threshold. A new realm is awating past the 46 drink mark. You my friend are the embodiment of the "Bodybuilder mentality". Please keep posting. My cable is out and you're my only source of entertainment for awhile.

This is one of the best posts ever...

[alpmaster]

Who the hell are you guys to say what a man should do with his money, and just because he's not a Pro makes years of drug use pointless, but when a Pro does it just the same, makes no money either, and sells you protein powders, then it's worth it? Fuck that.

As I said and as BLPs stats prove, for the millionth time, ANYONE CAN BE HUGE AND LEAN, that is what drugs do. Every single advancement in bodybuilder size has come along with a new drug addition, HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT MEANT TO LOOK LIKE BODYBUILDERS DO. We are simply cheating mother nature by using growth-inducing fat-shedding DRUGS to accomplish it...

Now where ART and BEAUTY come in is what the end result looks like. Take Art Atwood or Palumbo for example, huge huge waist line, big gut, crappy quad sweep, not full arms, not wide enough clavicles, not small enough joints, not correct muscle insertions to reach full muscle bellies, etc etc. BUT when Phil Heath reaches the same size and weight, his shoulders are wide (enough), his waist/hip bone structure allotted a tiny waistline, he has small joints with muscles inserting higher up to cause sweeps, full bellies, and roundness, lats connect low, forearm muscles respond, ETC ETC.

FOR FUCK SAKE ^THIS^ is what GENETICS for bodybuilding success mean. NOT SIZE. Anyone can reach size, ANYONE. It's called DRUGS + FOOD. It's simple feed effeciency, it's done for all the cattle and chicken you eat, they are bodybuilders as well morons. All we're doing is creating a body with maximum amount of muscle, minimal amount of fat using drugs food and training. BUT THE END RESULT is different due to the factors I outlined, and THAT determines bodybuilding success.

Here's the formula:

Have money --> Have source for LEGITIMATE drug --> USE/EAT/TRAIN --> See where you land in the crop of 'bodybuilders'

Fuck.


Anyway, if you guys all want to still think there's heroes in this sport, sorry they're all gone, it's not longer the facade you think it is.

THESE ARE YOUR HEROES:

http://www.danpadilla.com/photos/DanandBoysWorld.jpg

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE LAUGHING THEIR ASS OFF AT YOUR IDIOCY

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/05/25/0525_jay_cutler-1.jpg



Wake the fuck up people. Holy shit.

[adpolice]

yes. is that you in yours?

It is obvious he won't show how he looks....Traditional net parrots like him usually look like shit...

[BC123Jm]

@Alpmaster,
how much money per month are the guys you know spending on growth?

it just seems like a shit ton of money when i figure
out how much it would cost me if i wanted to run 18iu's
of real HG growth. where do these guys get that kind of dough?

[alpmaster]

Um you see how after a "successful" year Troy Alves couldn't do the Olympia cuz he needed cash? Lol you think that was for oatmeal and eggwhites? How Kai Greene was doing gay4pay, stripping, porn, etc. before he finally got enough cash to do well, and still lives in the projects? How Mr Olympia is also a real estate millionaire? How guys blow up after they get a good supplement contract? LOL you think thats from the free protein? Stan Efferding is fucking swimming in $$$ and walks around all day at 275lbs+ @ 6%bf, but as said has shit genetics so he sucks.


Do I have to keep going?

[-BLP-]

@Alpmaster,
how much money per month are the guys you know spending on growth?

it just seems like a shit ton of money when i figure
out how much it would cost me if i wanted to run 18iu's
of real HG growth. where do these guys get that kind of dough?

they dont..

compouns pharmacy have maximum quantity allow, if not reach , stamp prescription goes to black market
at 10% commision of 10kits serostim you got 126ui free / you need a network of 10 kits weekly stable year basis and even better , once prescribed they cant be seized , they cross costum and they Are legal

[Game Time]

Um you see how after a "successful" year Troy Alves couldn't do the Olympia cuz he needed cash? Lol you think that was for oatmeal and eggwhites? How Kai Greene was doing gay4pay, stripping, porn, etc. before he finally got enough cash to do well, and still lives in the projects? How Mr Olympia is also a real estate millionaire? How guys blow up after they get a good supplement contract? LOL you think thats from the free protein? Stan Efferding is fucking swimming in $$$ and walks around all day at 275lbs+ @ 6%bf, but as said has shit genetics so he sucks.


Do I have to keep going?

Stan never came to mind, but great example. You just need the finances and the drugs do the rest.

[BC123Jm]

they dont..

compouns pharmacy have maximum quantity allow, if not reach , stamp prescription goes to black market
at 10% commision of 10kits serostim you got 126ui free / you need a network of 10 kits weekly stable year basis and even better , once prescribed they cant be seized , they cross costum and they Are legal


so basically you need to become a dealer
if you don't have the cash
is what you are saying?

[alpmaster]

I dunno if we should keep exposing bodybuilding lol I'm sorry kids this isn't my mission, I just can't lie to you like Dave n' friends.

[barbellman]

All this GH talk and nobody wants to talk insulin?

[-BLP-]

so basically you need to become a dealer
if you don't have the cash
is what you are saying?

you figure that one yourself

but bigger you are more ppls tend to ask for it lol

[alpmaster]

It's even on your fucking site

Scott Siegel's jailhouse chronicles:

Up to the time of my arrest I was on a heavy cycle. This consisted of 1800 mg of test and 400 mg of tren a week. In addition I was taking 50 mg of D-Bal and 10 IU's of GH a day.


Bodybuilder. Dealing drugs. Had shit ton of cash flow. Big motherfucker. 2.5g of anabolic, 70iu pharmaceutical GH/week, and I still doubt he's telling it all.


Sounds like everything I've been saying.

So me and blp are still delusional liars?

[-BLP-]

the crazy is not 18ui a day , it once you stop after 2 years , whatever you had spend is gone

[alpmaster]

the crazy is not 18ui a day , it once you stop after 2 years , whatever you had spend is gone

Oh we know..


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=364081.0;attach=39 9863;image


lol @ the size 16 shoes

[Jer]

Well that would be a good thing for you not to believe it because its not true. People with shitty genetics and half assed training are always going to overdo the drugs to make up the difference. I assure you there are guys standing in the top 15 at the Olympia who do not require over 10iu's of growth. If they look better then you do, its always gotta be "he's on more drugs" rather then just admitting you aren't good enough.

This post sums it all up.

There will always be guys that just have to believe it's gotta be the drugs, because they can't admit to themselves that they just do not have what it takes.

Sad.

[barbellman]

this alpmaster guy is just delivering the lols. i don't agree fully with what you say, but god damn your funny.

he's like a fuckin gh15, only on rxmuscle..

entertain us with your thoughts on steroids/growth/insulin use of that lady standing next to palumbo in the photo you posted..

[JamesWebb]

Stan Efferding is fucking swimming in $$$ and walks around all day at 275lbs+ @ 6%bf, but as said has shit genetics so he sucks.


yeah your right and he trains like a pussy so it must be the drugs. i mean really i've never seen a video of stan training like an animal and pushing ridiculous weights. . . . .

[alpmaster]

yeah your right and he trains like a pussy so it must be the drugs. i mean really i've never seen a video of stan training like an animal and pushing ridiculous weights. . . . .

LOL

How come powerlifters aren't big and lean? How come HIT works? How come FST7 works? How come low weight high reps work? How come high weight low reps work? How come 1 working set works, 3 working sets works, 5 working sets works, 30 minutes training works, 3 hour training works? How come whatever the hell you're doing is definitely not working?

Dur dur dur.

Next.

[JamesWebb]

LOL

How come powerlifters aren't big and lean? they eat like shitHow come HIT works? muscle hypertrophy due to increased contractile filamentsHow come FST7 works? fascia stretchingHow come low weight high reps work? muscle hypertrophy due to sarcosplasmic increases due to increased work loadHow come high weight low reps work? muscle hupertorphy due to increased contractile filamentsHow come 1 working set works, 3 working sets works, 5 working sets works, 30 minutes training works, 3 hour training works? How come whatever the hell you're doing is definitely not working?

Dur dur dur.

Next.

in bold. do i really need to continue?
i also love how you attack me and my build vs the argument at hand.

no amount of drugs is going to turn an average person into a 300 pound ripped bodybuilder without large amount of time, work, food.

[alpmaster]

in bold. do i really need to continue?
i also love how you attack me and my build vs the argument at hand.

Spare me the scientific word version of brologic, I have a BA in Exercise Science if you'd like to discuss further.




no amount of drugs is going to turn an average person into a 300 pound ripped bodybuilder without large amount of time, work, food.

How come Jason Huh made a 20lb difference in stage weight in one year? How did Ronnie make a 40-50lb change in stage weight in one year? Phil Heath made 10-20lb changes consistently. Kai Greene blew the fuck up once enough money started coming in. When only AAS was around, you're stage weight was the same +/- 5-10lbs MAX.

How does Jason Huh's 1/4 form training work?
Branch Warrens crap-as-fuck form training work?
How come for other mammals only increased hormone creates large lean muscle? Even with 0 training, 0 diet, and very little protein? H O R M O N E
Cattle sit in a pen, eat a corn based diet, we pump them with tren, they grow new lean muscle tissue.

Oh I know..

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7616/flexoverraymond.png

[JamesWebb]

Spare me the scientific word version of brologic, I have a BA in Exercise Science if you'd like to discuss further.


LOL a BA?! impressive whats wrong couldnt handle the O-chem to get a BS? if you want to compair education your talking to the wrong guy.

but in all honesty i have nothing against you, i just dont agree with your argument that anyone could get huge and all it takes is tons of chemicals. if it were that easy we would see many more huge kids living off mommy daddy money.

also i think that if you had half a build you would stop attacking and just show a picture of yourself and say see i built this on drugs. that would simply prove your point and your lack of doing so shows the board that you dont know what your talking about.

[barbellman]

holy shit at jose's non existant calfs...

[alpmaster]

i also love how you attack me and my build vs the argument at hand.



You seem to forget you were first attacked me.


LOL a BA?! impressive whats wrong couldnt handle the O-chem to get a BS? if you want to compair education your talking to the wrong guy.

but in all honesty i have nothing against you, i just dont agree with your argument that anyone could get huge and all it takes is tons of chemicals. if it were that easy we would see many more huge kids living off mommy daddy money.

Didn't say it was just money, I also said you need a source for legitimate product.



also i think that if you had half a build you would stop attacking and just show a picture of yourself and say see i built this on drugs. that would simply prove your point and your lack of doing so shows the board that you dont know what your talking about.

I'm honest, I am open to debate. I added in solid points that you can barely argue with (non-brologic). All the big guys agreeing with me, all the smaller guys not. Get it? Guess not.


Never out to attack anyone. Here's the truth, take it or leave it or waste your time, don't really care.

[Jason Newman]

alpha master keep bringing it man this is better than a suspense novel!

[crashcrew56]

yeah your right and he trains like a pussy so it must be the drugs. i mean really i've never seen a video of stan training like an animal and pushing ridiculous weights. . . . .

I don't think anyone is saying that Stan Efferdings hard training doesn't come from training his ass off, nobody said he trains like a pussy.


in bold. do i really need to continue?
i also love how you attack me and my build vs the argument at hand.

no amount of drugs is going to turn an average person into a 300 pound ripped bodybuilder without large amount of time, work, food.


I know a lot of powerlifters, and all with different physiques, and the ones that are lean is because of two main reason drugs and gentics. Facia stretching, I don't buy into that for a minute, and I would hope you don't either. I don't think Hany Rambod has a ton of knowledge when it comes to the science of things, a lot of what he says sounds more like brologic, or some things he puts together with a half assed knowledge of science.

[joe-ali]

Guys I want to weigh in on this coz I am a guy with money who has taken a ton of shit, and it doesn't make u into a monster unless u have the drug metabolism. Not only do u need genetics, a good metabolims, but u also need to have a body that can use the drugs effectively. I only saw a 15lbs diiference from using about 10k for a cycle as I seen when I use 500bucks!! It isn't the drugs, so quit with that bullshit thinking! It is a combo of everything.


Also stan efferding was 270 when he managed a crappy apartment building!! Mr olympia became a real estate pro after he was a high paying ifbb bodybuillder. Stop using specious reasoning to make a point. I hate that! Just coz most of us will never come close to those pros doesn't mean we demean their efforts and sacrifices. Stop being jealous sewing circle bitches!!!

[joe-ali]

And to the guy who says all u need is a ton of drugs to be a top national level bodybuilder. Post a photo of urself I garrauntee u look nothing like arnold or lou ferrigno and I know u use a ton more drugs then them. So if it were just drugs u would dwarf those guys rite?

[UriahMcGee]

Facia stretching, I don't buy into that for a minute, and I would hope you don't either. I don't think Hany Rambod has a ton of knowledge when it comes to the science of things, a lot of what he says sounds more like brologic, or some things he puts together with a half assed knowledge of science.
well thats some GREAT brologic then lol....I just don't think we are getting the whole story on the fascia stretching

[alpmaster]

Yeah "fascia stretching" has to do with SEO and insulin use, not "do 7 sets after your workout" LOL

[BC123Jm]

I only saw a 15lbs diiference from using about 10k for a cycle as I seen when I use 500bucks!!

I would kick my father square in the nuts if he passed
those shitty genetics on to me.

[axioma]

Because it's either fake or severely UNPURE, does not work like GH is supposed to.

This is what real GH is:

Nutropin
Humatrope made in china
Saizen
Serostim made in china


THAT shit will make anyone a Jumbo Palumbo.

There is a trading company that sells bulk gh from china. One of the companies is Hunan bio tech. They will put any lid, blue, yellow, whatever, on their product. Just going by what I see...humatrope is as "pharma" as I have used and it is really cheap. Now when I think "pharma" I think Lilly.

[barbellman]

There is a trading company that sells bulk gh from china. One of the companies is Hunan bio tech. They will put any lid, blue, yellow, whatever, on their product. Just going by what I see...humatrope is as "pharma" as I have used and it is really cheap. Now when I think "pharma" I think Lilly.


yup and its retarded expensive, My buddy had a script for lilly and its was roughly $24/iu, lets think 40iu at $24/iu $960 A day around $107,520 for an olympia pre contest cycle at 16 weeks

[axioma]

This has been a great thread, enjoyable read. We really just don't know. I love alpmaster ripping it up...I think playing DA just to get some of these guys riled...good shit.
I fall into the camp that It IS a little of EVERYTHING! Responsiveness, $$$$, training integrity....genetics. Has to be a combo...BUT, it takes ALL of the above to make to the top...period.

The thing that gets me is when gurus publically state that they do nothing but diet...they have no knowledge of drug interactions...manipulating the diet based on their clients responsiveness to compounds...Basically, " I will lie to your face until you pay me thousands of dollars over several years...then I will get you there."

GH15 and BLP are from the same cloth...they say fuck the hypocrisy guys...it is what it is.

[alpmaster]

First off, crapgenetics, you don't know shit dude. It's painfully obvious the moment you tried to support fascia stretching. Lol trust me you're SO out of the loop you're in a different time zone than the rest of us. Keep doing what you're doing if it makes you happy, it will keep you rich and away from the dark-er side. Just don't think you'll be placing in any national shows anytime soon.


Guys I want to weigh in on this coz I am a guy with money who has taken a ton of shit, and it doesn't make u into a monster unless u have the drug metabolism. Not only do u need genetics, a good metabolims, but u also need to have a body that can use the drugs effectively. I only saw a 15lbs diiference from using about 10k for a cycle as I seen when I use 500bucks!! It isn't the drugs, so quit with that bullshit thinking! It is a combo of everything.




Dude BULLSHIT lol sorry you blew 10 grand and still look like shit. You just made it apparent how much you're lying. 15lbs? Lol you got bunk shit, from the GH to AAS to the insulin to fucking whey. get out of here retard go find a real source


Seriously people stop even trying to bother with this if your GH history is fucking rips, ellitrops, maxis, mexis, blue tops, green tops, red tops, carrot tops, whatever. Unless you've fucking dealt with actual pharma shit, HUMATROPin, genotropin, hypertropin, nutropin, SEROSTIM, than why the fuck even bother getting into this.



This has been a great thread, enjoyable read. We really just don't know. I love alpmaster ripping it up...I think playing DA just to get some of these guys riled...good shit.
I fall into the camp that It IS a little of EVERYTHING! Responsiveness, $$$$, training integrity....genetics. Has to be a combo...BUT, it takes ALL of the above to make to the top...period.

The thing that gets me is when gurus publically state that they do nothing but diet...they have no knowledge of drug interactions...manipulating the diet based on their clients responsiveness to compounds...Basically, " I will lie to your face until you pay me thousands of dollars over several years...then I will get you there."

GH15 and BLP are from the same cloth...they say fuck the hypocrisy guys...it is what it is.

YES

It takes some mild form of competitive brain. We are the type of people who invent religions, these retards are the types who follow it. This is all liars, lol you think chris doesn't ask what cycle a guys on? Fuck yea he knows if your on Deca dbol adrol whatever on a precomp he needs to change it around, haha like I said these guys don't just have these perfect meal plans of 10.4356oz of chicken that gets you shreeeeeded. They give you a diet to follow, have a trained eye of seeing water retention vs fat and slowly remove calories from the diet as the comp goes, or slowly add drugs in, THATS ALL HOW THEY DO IT. THERE IS NO CHICKEN AND RICE SCIENCE. You ever go the gym and see some lame little white kid pouring his heart and soul out into perfect 'magazine' bodybuilding and looking like shit, but the fucking big black guy downstairs playing basket ball going to get a Big Mac after the game is bigger, more muscular, and more ripped? GENETICS AND HORMONES. George Farah wants you no more than 10% bf if you come to him, lol he wants to know you're already on GH and have good access to it, THEN he'll make you a champion. This is excluding his ties to good ass middle east pharmacies.


Mother nature has one way of regulating the size, muscularity, and bodyfat level of creatures and its called genetic make up AND HORMONES. As I fucking said, a horse will always be big and ripped, NEVER touching a weight and NEVER eating animal protein and rice and whey shakes. Gorilla has tiny diet of insects and berries, for fuck sake he would be the heaviest thing on a bodybuilding stage at 5'5''. YOU CANT CHEAT MOTHER NATURE just work with her tools, THUS HORMONES.

[HammerStrength12]

LOL a BA?! impressive whats wrong couldnt handle the O-chem to get a BS? if you want to compair education your talking to the wrong guy.

but in all honesty i have nothing against you, i just dont agree with your argument that anyone could get huge and all it takes is tons of chemicals. if it were that easy we would see many more huge kids living off mommy daddy money.

also i think that if you had half a build you would stop attacking and just show a picture of yourself and say see i built this on drugs. that would simply prove your point and your lack of doing so shows the board that you dont know what your talking about.


Obviously work, genetics and all that stuff matter, but you are severely understating the impact of the drugs. Just because you happened to be a natural beast doesn't mean that's the case for everyone.

I busted my ass for years to put on a measley 30-40lbs. Hurt myself and got fed up with the lack of progress. So ran a ph cycle, pretty much unable to do shit except 15lb bicep curls, pushups, and some lateral raises due to injury, and gained 15lbs of lean muscle. On top of that, there are medical studies that show that patients administered testosterone gain a significant amount of muscle mass and strength -without even training!

[alpmaster]

LOL yeah just need a small amount of drugs, then you're genetics make huge and lean...

nLKiBJ6iGSk

:dunno:


2a4W8yUx0tY

:yep:

[ritch]

im done with steroid abuse , i cant , mild tolerance , prim
npp prop n that it

i know im no pro potential , i have all i want in life , i dont fell stay same n keep goin , i want an extra edge , reach th freaky in me i can bring , th will n financial motivation for it came naturally , want to be top 5 national ir near n that my option to nail it , i know others will do better then less , but when i see pro still gain 20 pounds or more a year on mass even after reach freaky size , im skeptical.. i seriously fell 36ui will b th perfect number and that i cant

Just curious... What kind of dosages are you talking about for just "an extra edge" If I understand correctly you want to be in the nationals? But you say you want to stop the mega dosing, but to do the nationals, you will need the mega dosing, I don't follow you here bud! Is it worth it to take all those drugs just for the chance to be in a national show? And then what?

If I were you, I'd cruise on like 200mg of test for a while to let your body rest, but that's just me... I hate to ask this, but have you won a show yet?

[ARVD]

Dave, give us a shoe size comparison. From when running to now.

[AVBG]

the negative attacks are now stop. Anymore you'll be infracted/banned, this is not negotiable.

[The Big Sexy]

the negative attacks are now stop. Anymore you'll be infracted/banned, this is not negotiable.

qItugh-fFgg

I don't know why this popped into my mind for some reason. LOL

[Aaron Singerman]

Dave, give us a shoe size comparison. From when running to now.

Just an FYI- I know several pros who don't even take hgh.

[Jer]

Just an FYI- I know several pros who don't even take hgh.

IMPOSSIBLE!

They take 30-40ius/day.

Haven't you been reading this thread? :dunno:




(I couldn't resist)

[alpmaster]

Just an FYI- I know several pros who don't even take hgh.

LOL


Anyway


I'll be done here. This board is a positive bodybulding board which aims to only protray bodybuilding in a positive light, which I have nothing against.


I'll take PMs if questions but most has been said.

[HammerStrength12]

most pro jer lie , c' mon , by professional protection, it' understandable

Exactly

[HammerStrength12]

I certainly can appriciate that too. I mean, if you're emailing some Pro who you've never spoken with, yeah, don't expect to get the 100% truth.

I'm saying though, why would someone be so open with everthing else they do, lie about the amount of GH they are using?


I'm not trying to change anyone mind here, I'm just putting in some infomation that I have. Anyone can take it or leave it, believe me or not, it's not going to hurt my feelings.


I've spoken with a couple big name pros about this - have a hard time believing what they say to me.

[HammerStrength12]

with your vast array of first hand knowledge i would love to see some pics cuz i bet your one of those 300+ lb monsters that you say 'anyone with enough gh' can be. pics or STFU until you are either a)like BLP and actually living it or b)admit that your jealous of the guys who are at that level and want to believe its all drugs, which you don't take enough of, which is why your not them.

I don't really understand what your getting at. BLP is living it, but also admitting to everything that alp is saying.

[hulk7510]

gotta love the keyboard bodybuilders!some of you who talk shit need to put a "real" pic in your avi.

[HammerStrength12]

Also, in Palumbo's defense, since he's taking quite a beating in this thread - he was a long distance track athlete in high school and college. That activity by itself is catabolic, even if you do have the genetics for insane muscle growth.

I've seen plenty of long distance runners put on a buttload of muscle mass from the neurologicial shock of transitioning from endurance to heavy weight training. On top of that, the work ethic carries over very well.

Not saying he didn't use a ton of GH, because he obviously did. But based off of his athletic background, he clearly wasn't "All GH" as some people are saying. Yes, he wouldn't have gotten to where he was without it. But I'd imagine his work ethic and genetics were well above average for a top level national competitor.

[Jer]

I've spoken with a couple big name pros about this - have a hard time believing what they say to me.

What is it that leads you to not beleive them?

Do you just not beleive it's possible, are you just a little leary about the possibility that they don't use copious ammounts, or is it in the manner they tell you?

[borderjustin1]

I used to take those amounts. Now I take Methastatadrol (Superdrol clone), Halo Plex (Hdrol clone) and M1D. It does the same as the stuff you are taking but without all the acne, hair loss, and liver damage. Just saying.

It's still hard to find, but Supplement Warehouse dot com has em and Nutritional Arsenal dot com has em as well. You gotta keep checking cause their usually out.

Thanks

[HammerStrength12]

I used to take those amounts. Now I take Methastatadrol (Superdrol clone), Halo Plex (Hdrol clone) and M1D. It does the same as the stuff you are taking but without all the acne, hair loss, and liver damage. Just saying.

It's still hard to find, but Supplement Warehouse dot com has em and Nutritional Arsenal dot com has em as well. You gotta keep checking cause their usually out.

Thanks

From 20iu of GH to M1D, LMAO

nice first post

[HammerStrength12]

What is it that leads you to not beleive them?

Do you just not beleive it's possible, are you just a little leary about the possibility that they don't use copious ammounts, or is it in the manner they tell you?

I shouldn't say I necessarily don't believe them, what I really meant was that I'm skeptical for all the reasons you listed above.

[Jer]

I shouldn't say I necessarily don't believe them, what I really meant was that I'm skeptical for all the reasons you listed above.

I can certainly understand that.

[alpmaster]

Is this really a question?

Why would they want you to know the secret is large amounts of GH and AAS? Seriously, do you even think? It can't sell. It can't make any money. Of course we need you to believe it's special trainings, so we can sell you magazines and workout DVDs. We need you to think its all nutrition so we can sell you diets and magazines with diet info and 'what the pros eat'. Of course we want you to believe Kai Greene had this terrible life and is just a guy trying to make it out of the ghetto through the wonderful sport of bodybuilding, that shit sells, why the hell would we want you to know it's that he does G4P, stripping, etc. and spends all his money on GH so he can stay in the projects and get subsidized housing. Seriously, whats more glamorous, these epic workouts, these epic pictures, that plate of huge amounts of rice and beef.... or this tiny little vial with this weird white powder in it? We need you to buy supplements, we need you to buy buy buy we have people making money here. They don't want their families and fans knowing how nasty the dark side of this "sport" is, they don't want you to see their failing health, and constant state of broke-ness, please just come to the shows and awe at the bodies and give the the respect and believe it's all this hard work, they need that, they are human just as well, everyone would love that shit.

Take all the people who juice on this board, just mild AAS cycles, people give you compliments and ask for diet advice and workout advice, cmon you don't tell ANYONE about your use, only behind the comfort of a keyboard and computer monitor.


Seriously, as I said, keeping the dream/facade alive. God it's not rocket science people. There's money to be made and glory to be given, just like any athletic sport or any government or ANYTHING. You're not supposed to know the dark side. So just shut up, do you 500mg cycles, talk about the difference between carbs in the morning and carbs at night, talk about the difference between FST7 and HIT and all that interesting stuff, as I said, the truth is uninspirational and depressing.

Ignorance is bliss, as always.

[The Big Sexy]

Just an FYI- I know several pros who don't even take hgh.

Unfortunately, no one else knows who they are NOOK NOOK NOOK (I joke I joke! I kid I kid!)

[Medium Extreme]

FUCK GH!!!!

Also, I'm only saying this because I can't get any.

[Medium Extreme]

Just an FYI- I know several pros who don't even take hgh.


Great point. How is Jocelyn Pelletier doing anyways?

[The Big Sexy]

Great point. How is Jocelyn Pelletier doing anyways?

I cannot rep you - I must have repped you in the past like recently.

[BigJD69]

yah me too

in th living/real secret experience

at 265 with abs i become a litlle monster but not a pro look.. will love too

carry weaker genetic tho
BLP do you currently weigh 265? If so at what height? Any pics?

[JayJones]

is this really a question?

Why would they want you to know the secret is large amounts of gh and aas?

Seriously, as i said, keeping the dream/facade alive. God it's not rocket science people. There's money to be made and glory to be given, just like any athletic sport or any government or anything. You're not supposed to know the dark side. So just shut up, do you 500mg cycles, talk about the difference between carbs in the morning and carbs at night, talk about the difference between fst7 and hit and all that interesting stuff, as i said, the truth is uninspirational and depressing.

Ignorance is bliss, as always.

EXACTLY! Bodybuilding was much more fun when I didn't know the real deal...

[Medium Extreme]

I cannot rep you - I must have repped you in the past like recently.


lol, its the thought that counts TBS!!!

You repped my for the shit I took on Vic Richards....

I thought it was a funny post....I had to google IFBB Pro with comb over to remember Jocelyns last name.

[axioma]

Is this really a question?

Why would they want you to know the secret is large amounts of GH and AAS? Seriously, do you even think? It can't sell. It can't make any money. Of course we need you to believe it's special trainings, so we can sell you magazines and workout DVDs. We need you to think its all nutrition so we can sell you diets and magazines with diet info and 'what the pros eat'. Of course we want you to believe Kai Greene had this terrible life and is just a guy trying to make it out of the ghetto through the wonderful sport of bodybuilding, that shit sells, why the hell would we want you to know it's that he does G4P, stripping, etc. and spends all his money on GH so he can stay in the projects and get subsidized housing. Seriously, whats more glamorous, these epic workouts, these epic pictures, that plate of huge amounts of rice and beef.... or this tiny little vial with this weird white powder in it? We need you to buy supplements, we need you to buy buy buy we have people making money here. They don't want their families and fans knowing how nasty the dark side of this "sport" is, they don't want you to see their failing health, and constant state of broke-ness, please just come to the shows and awe at the bodies and give the the respect and believe it's all this hard work, they need that, they are human just as well, everyone would love that shit.

Take all the people who juice on this board, just mild AAS cycles, people give you compliments and ask for diet advice and workout advice, cmon you don't tell ANYONE about your use, only behind the comfort of a keyboard and computer monitor.


Seriously, as I said, keeping the dream/facade alive. God it's not rocket science people. There's money to be made and glory to be given, just like any athletic sport or any government or ANYTHING. You're not supposed to know the dark side. So just shut up, do you 500mg cycles, talk about the difference between carbs in the morning and carbs at night, talk about the difference between FST7 and HIT and all that interesting stuff, as I said, the truth is uninspirational and depressing.

Ignorance is bliss, as always.

^^^well said.

[axioma]

Great point. How is Jocelyn Pelletier doing anyways?


Daaaahemmmmm! Ah, Aaron, the optimist. I can rep you:yep:

[Con]

Sure at the end of the day you're correct Alpmaster, drugs are the limiting factor. It doesn't matter if we talk about 1 or 20 grams of gear, a little responsive or a lot, at the end of the day there is a reason natural guys look so "small" compared to the non-naturals.

Where you seem to deviate from reality is the fact that drugs do not make the champion, its the drugs AND genetics. I know guys on 4-5 grams who weigh 180lb and not ripped, sure half of that is probably fake but it wont all be. They simply lack the genetics to do any thing with it. Same goes for the guys that get crazy big but never win any thing because they look like shit.

You would be 100% correct with all you say IF size was the only thing that wins bb shows.

[ARVD]

Just an FYI- I know several pros who don't even take hgh.

Well, good for them. I am purely interested in the effect on shoe size, if there was any ?. It may be that there has been no change ?.

[alpmaster]

Sure at the end of the day you're correct Alpmaster, drugs are the limiting factor. It doesn't matter if we talk about 1 or 20 grams of gear, a little responsive or a lot, at the end of the day there is a reason natural guys look so "small" compared to the non-naturals.

Where you seem to deviate from reality is the fact that drugs do not make the champion, its the drugs AND genetics. I know guys on 4-5 grams who weigh 180lb and not ripped, sure half of that is probably fake but it wont all be. They simply lack the genetics to do any thing with it. Same goes for the guys that get crazy big but never win any thing because they look like shit.

You would be 100% correct with all you say IF size was the only thing that wins bb shows.

Dude what the hell? lol you have been skipping around in this thread, go back to my posts and read them, prob the one with atwood and dexter jackson pics explains it the best. From the very begining i said DRUGS = SIZE, and Genetics determine how far that size takes yoy with how your body looks at that size, roundness, small waist, wide clavicles, muscle insertions for muscle bellies etc. lol trust me just go and read back I said everything you said I should have said

Also the brain, the ruthless and smart will go far.. Cheesy idiots with no truly competitive mindset and ability to adapt and deceive and work and register bullshit will never get anywhere. All champions think alike.

[GUNNER]

wonder how many guys who are doing GH are running bogus gear. Tev-Tropin for example, 5mg (15 iu) is about $250, regular price from the pharmacy.

like alpmaster said... you'd grow like mad... if ya can afford that.

[Con]

Dude what the hell? lol you have been skipping around in this thread, go back to my posts and read them, prob the one with atwood and dexter jackson pics explains it the best. From the very begining i said DRUGS = SIZE, and Genetics determine how far that size takes yoy with how your body looks at that size, roundness, small waist, wide clavicles, muscle insertions for muscle bellies etc. lol trust me just go and read back I said everything you said I should have said

Also the brain, the ruthless and smart will go far.. Cheesy idiots with no truly competitive mindset and ability to adapt and deceive and work and register bullshit will never get anywhere. All champions think alike.
Guilty as charged:p

You would be a great voice for the mens physique movement.
In physique you MAY actually be able to become Mr Physique O with slightly less drug abuse.....slightly.:)

[Barrett]

Is it really THAT fucking hard to wrap your head around pro's having superior genetics to us? I'm glad i've figured out the solution to our problems though Alp. If you don't grow, give yourself more growth. Got stubborn fat? Growth. Are you "5'8 210" and want to be 5'8 265? Growth.



GROWTH

GROWTH

GROWTH

GROWTH

GROWTH

GROWTH

GROWTH HORMONE!!!!!!!!!!!

[betito]

Among other things yes. There's a reason we never ever saw 265+ pounds on stage untill GH became widely available.

Here I'll use pictures so people can understand better:


ANYONE can look like this


http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/53/images/Art_Atwood_88.jpg

NOT everyone can look like this

http://muscle.iuhu.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/dexter-jackson.jpg

You are very delusional if you think anyone can look like Art Atwood.... that´s crazy genetics right there, just a bad structure.

[destro]

And the current leaders board


Alpmaster +20
pastgenetics 0


Looks like a clean sweep victory for alpmaster and a nice care package for pastgenetics for second place.

[ritch]

You are very delusional if you think anyone can look like Art Atwood.... that´s crazy genetics right there, just a bad structure.

Was thinking the same thing...