Which UG labs to avoid?

[Warped]

Which are the most faked and what to avoid now in 2011?

[Sieve]

Ive heard that pharmacom labs suck hard.

[chuck89gt5.0]

Typically UG labs arent faked....its the Human Grade that gets faked the most.... Run a search...it isnt hard at all to get feedback about a lab....

[shorty9]

yeah ugl stuff may be underdosed, or even dirty sometimes, but there isnt much money in faking ugl stuff.

[Warped]

What about international pharmaceuticals or eurochem labs or alpha pharma?
I don`t want underdosed gear either. I ran some underdosed tren that didn`t do shit even at 500+mg ew. That sucked.
I haven`t run HG stuff in a while, how much better is it than UG?

[shorty9]

to be totally honest I havent ever run human grade gear. Ip has always been kinda shady. once took a pack 5months to arrive, I had given up on it. heard good stuff about eurochem if Im thinking of the same lab....dont know about alpha. HG stuff is always the way to go if you can get it from a reliable source, im lucky to have access to decent ugl stuff right now but it isnt stuff that is widely available I dont think.

[-BLP-]

U mean which kitchen lab who make sticker I should not buy n they call themselves a lab
, when they use hand gun filter n oven

[joe d]

to be realistic the answer would be all of them.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

^^^^reps!

[lartinos]

If you don't know who you're buying it from at all you will never really have a good idea of the quality of what you buy.

[caribeman]

U mean which kitchen lab who make sticker I should not buy n they call themselves a lab
, when they use hand gun filter n oven

Well said sir, this is what it has come down to....

[barbellman]

I'd avoid IP

as for the "avoid them all"...obviously there are shitty makers of gear...but you'd be VERY surprised at just who's running some of these UGLs. Not all of these people are just your regular "its made in a bath tub" types. Chemists by day, outlaws by night.

[-BLP-]

with today available technology , ugl or pharmgrade , not much difference , radiation filter ugl can afford , probably not a refrigeration system but you can do quality without it

i prefer ugl nolva , adex , n clomid then pharmgarde form

in my mind at th end it' what your stomach prefer dissolve has press binder (
calcium , magnesium , cellulose ) .... for solvent all same esthers in EO or ba - bb or grapeseed oil could interact better for yourself but it could be my placebo imagination

under dosing ugl = bankruptcy , this conception is false

ugl caps = better easier absorption , dont underestimate capsule

fake pharmgrade exist for non experience ppls but expert who carry th pharmgrade market know what there doing, get pharmgrade it's a headache and a specific networking

unless national level you be fine with ugl , chinese raw supplier have a great ratio toward impurities 96-98% which is normal

with advance software press machine you end up press one button , how hard is that ?

winject tho , that a complex one to make, if want try out a UGL personal test , get winstrol injectable,,,

since raw halostestin , parabolan and primobolan are playin in th 40$ a gr i will go pharmgrade for those but testosterone , oil , melt point , solvent it/s so easy there' nothing to worry about

like i try explain machine now do everything , you think ugl employee sealed thousand of bottles , with cotton and counting 100 tabs per bottle by hand... not

that call home brewer

[Gunners]

to be realistic the answer would be all of them.

lol true. but not much choice mate. i dont experiment wth this lab & that lab... find one thats good and stick to it.

Even if you can get a script for test hrt & happy to run just test - how high can you really go?

[Warped]

with today available technology , ugl or pharmgrade , not much difference , radiation filter ugl can afford , probably not a refrigeration system but you can do quality without it

i prefer ugl nolva , adex , n clomid then pharmgarde form

in my mind at th end it' what your stomach prefer dissolve has press binder (
calcium , magnesium , cellulose ) .... for solvent all same esthers in EO or ba - bb or grapeseed oil could interact better for yourself but it could be my placebo imagination

under dosing ugl = bankruptcy , this conception is false

ugl caps = better easier absorption , dont underestimate capsule

fake pharmgrade exist for non experience ppls but expert who carry th pharmgrade market know what there doing, get pharmgrade it's a headache and a specific networking

unless national level you be fine with ugl , chinese raw supplier have a great ratio toward impurities 96-98% which is normal

with advance software press machine you end up press one button , how hard is that ?

winject tho , that a complex one to make, if want try out a UGL personal test , get winstrol injectable,,,

since raw halostestin , parabolan and primobolan are playin in th 40$ a gr i will go pharmgrade for those but testosterone , oil , melt point , solvent it/s so easy there' nothing to worry about

like i try explain machine now do everything , you think ugl employee sealed thousand of bottles , with cotton and counting 100 tabs per bottle by hand... not

that call home brewer
Appriciate it man.

[airagee23]

Find a good source or two or three or four and stay with them. Its not hard. But one company i would stay away from is Biogen. GARBAGE.

[Buckeye Fan]

Anyone used puregear before?

[shorty9]

Anyone used puregear before?

I havent but I heard very mixed results on them. Some say guy isnt reliable, others love him. Some say gear is so-so. some love it. Id say look else where if you can. Otherwise buy at your own risk. ps never used personally.

[zacatkings]

with today available technology , ugl or pharmgrade , not much difference , radiation filter ugl can afford , probably not a refrigeration system but you can do quality without it

i prefer ugl nolva , adex , n clomid then pharmgarde form

in my mind at th end it' what your stomach prefer dissolve has press binder (
calcium , magnesium , cellulose ) .... for solvent all same esthers in EO or ba - bb or grapeseed oil could interact better for yourself but it could be my placebo imagination

under dosing ugl = bankruptcy , this conception is false

ugl caps = better easier absorption , dont underestimate capsule

fake pharmgrade exist for non experience ppls but expert who carry th pharmgrade market know what there doing, get pharmgrade it's a headache and a specific networking

unless national level you be fine with ugl , chinese raw supplier have a great ratio toward impurities 96-98% which is normal

with advance software press machine you end up press one button , how hard is that ?

winject tho , that a complex one to make, if want try out a UGL personal test , get winstrol injectable,,,

since raw halostestin , parabolan and primobolan are playin in th 40$ a gr i will go pharmgrade for those but testosterone , oil , melt point , solvent it/s so easy there' nothing to worry about

like i try explain machine now do everything , you think ugl employee sealed thousand of bottles , with cotton and counting 100 tabs per bottle by hand... not

that call home brewer
GH15? lol

[-BLP-]

GH15? lol

Me ? Nah lol

I think gh15 his Nasser, similar writing

[bushmaster]

I have used pharm grade and in my experience the UGL I use is far better. I know where it is made and by who so I have no concerns on quality or safety. Also a board I know is going to send it in for testing soon to see how the dosing is!

[jstevenson460]

They have Folistatin for sale there, if it is legit who even knows how to dose it?

[bushmaster]

They have Folistatin for sale there, if it is legit who even knows how to dose it?

No offense but I doubt its real. Folistatin prices are in the thousands if you look it up.

[Gunners]

I will be avoiding asia pharma and any products from world pharma

[Shadow]

I will be avoiding asia pharma and any products from world pharma

Care to elaborate?

[danieleslinger02]

I'll call a Company out. I just got some Shit gear from company called BioGenGear. Fuckin Tren E looking like Kool Aid and thin as water.

[chronicabuser]

I'll call a Company out. I just got some Shit gear from company called BioGenGear. Fuckin Tren E looking like Kool Aid and thin as water.

has any one else used this ugl before? i just ordered some prop. wondering if i wasted my money

[chocolatemilk]

I'll call a Company out. I just got some Shit gear from company called BioGenGear. Fuckin Tren E looking like Kool Aid and thin as water.

lmao

[blergs.]

british dragon i herd theres alot of fakes. i unno never use them.

[Warped]

What about dragon-pharma
I don`t like them. Seems to be underdosed. The tren a was really cloudy and ameteur made, and 50mg ed didn`t do anything.

[Warped]

Did you use their test at all?
Test e and test p. It does work,but it seemed weaker from the rest.
I just don`t use them anymore.

[Bencher]

Sciroxx?

[zacatkings]

How would home brew compare to UGls?

Talking powder conversions here. Not syno or fina pellets.

[jnickels]

Sciroxx?

Just started Sciroxx 300mg sust blend. Seems good so far. Hurts once i get about a half cc in the shoulders so ima give the glutes a try. That usually hurts less.

[The Big Sexy]

How would home brew compare to UGls?

Talking powder conversions here. Not syno or fina pellets.

Well, I would say you would know exactly what is going into it, you could vary the BA content to what would be necessary as opposed to what most people put in (i.e., a shade under 2% as opposed to around 5%) so it would hurt less. Also, you would be 100% sure of the mg dose per cc.

As far as powder is concerned - you are probably getting the same, exact powder the UG labs are using (for the most part).

[danieleslinger02]

has any one else used this ugl before? i just ordered some prop. wondering if i wasted my money
Chronic, If you look at my post history, I read the forums, more than I do reply. So If I call someone out bro, trust me. Im doing because I feel strongly on the issue. I ordered 2 test 400, a 2 tren 200, and tell me how my test level is 39? Just FYI, not gonna call bunk, because I know some are selective scammers, but just giving a heads up to beware.

Train Hard Bro.

[zacatkings]

Well, I would say you would know exactly what is going into it, you could vary the BA content to what would be necessary as opposed to what most people put in (i.e., a shade under 2% as opposed to around 5%) so it would hurt less. Also, you would be 100% sure of the mg dose per cc.

As far as powder is concerned - you are probably getting the same, exact powder the UG labs are using (for the most part).

Thats what I was thinking regarding the concentrations. If Im getting the same powders it makes no sense not to do it.

Thanks for the response TBS. Maybe get an interview from you one day after I win a comp. lol Tell dave you guys should cover some more nw contests.

[dsyndrome]

Just started Sciroxx 300mg sust blend. Seems good so far. Hurts once i get about a half cc in the shoulders so ima give the glutes a try. That usually hurts less.

I am using their EQ and test-e right now and it is good, they both hurt like hell in the shoulder though. Not bad in the glutes, I prefer the shoulders though so I just go for it, 2 days later, good to go again.

[heavyiron]

Thats what I was thinking regarding the concentrations. If Im getting the same powders it makes no sense not to do it.

Thanks for the response TBS. Maybe get an interview from you one day after I win a comp. lol Tell dave you guys should cover some more nw contests.
Just FYI, powder sources do vary on average. Some by as much as 20%...

[Judge]

what about Geneza? are they any good?

[MrOXY]

orbit labs = garbage
atlas = trash
olympic = monkey piss

[Hendog]

Anyone use Euro Pharmacies or Geneza Pharm?

[Bryan Hildebrand]

I have always had good success with geneva test c, e and sust.

[Muscle-Man]

How about americhem labs?

[Secret]

Geneza seem good.

[shorty9]

using geneza deca right now. 1st time with deca so dont really have anything else to compare, but so far so good. Zero joint issues and strength is great. I know they had some probs with underdosing a few yrs back, but I would buy again. especially at their prices!!

[Buckeye Fan]

I'm starting my first cycle in a few weeks I'm doing dbol 30mg day for the first 4 and test c for 12 500mg wk. What should I look for of signs of under dosed. How soon will I feel the dbol and what should I feel same with test? Thanks guys.

[barbellman]

How about americhem labs?


I was not impressed

[AlphaMaleDawg]

what did you guys think of syntrop and axio? I know they are gone but I have sooooo much gear left from them back when I knew of no other sources. To be honest that's the only gear I have used

[heavyiron]

Axio seemed to get positive reviews so what you have is likely good. However, I would not buy anything Axio from here forward until things lighten up over seas.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

I had zero issues with axio. used blends, C, E, deca, EQ and dbol. no issues and it was legit.

[adpolice]

87348

[barbellman]

nice lab lol

[heavyiron]

87348
Now that is an UGL. LOL!

[s2h]

i thought he was baking cookies????????????

[Miami Muscle]

87348

Looks like Axios factory lol

[barbellman]

i thought he was baking cookies????????????


so did his mommy.....naw little timmy was cooking TREN....like meth...only worse but nearly same amount of no sleeping lol

[shorty9]

wtf was the blender for?! is that how syntrop made their "blends"? lol. pop the stopper on a few bottles, pour, blend for 30 seconds, then pour like margaritas into new bottles.

And what is the metal tin on the floor that looks like varnish or paint thinner?!

[beezy13]

wtf was the blender for?! is that how syntrop made their "blends"? lol. pop the stopper on a few bottles, pour, blend for 30 seconds, then pour like margaritas into new bottles.

And what is the metal tin on the floor that looks like varnish or paint thinner?!

I think thats a pics of a real home drug lab (not steroid lab) thats why all the weird shit and the paint thinner.

[axioma]

Never been disappointed by IP. Always reliable and effective. I know alot of people bashing...I think the British Dragon Test enanthate is as good as any. The prices for 25ml is very good. Whether someone is dealing with the same chinaman that I am dealing with is a different matter.

[axioma]

what did you guys think of syntrop and axio? I know they are gone but i have sooooo much gear left from them back when i knew of no other sources. To be honest that's the only gear i have used


gtg.

[HammerStrength12]

87348

IS that your basement? lol

[cook]

Is that a beer bottle sitting on the second sink from the left?

[Gunners]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4031/flypf.jpg

[5 Grams year round baby]

Geneza injects seem to be really good, ive never had a problem with their tren or test, the orals seem a little weak.
Blue heart dbols from bodyreasearch thai's are the best ive ever used, on 40-50mg a day i saw more gains then 70mg of genezas.

[ironeater]

What about dragon-pharma


Yes bro im running their Test E and Mast right now. Smooth as butter and the gains have been awesome :) Its legit!!!

[Gunners]

Are you guys able to see the pic i posted?

[Bencher]

Are you guys able to see the pic i posted?
yes sir.

[Gunners]

yes sir.

OK thanks - sometimes it don't work. Make sure you double check your gear for insects lol :)

[Bencher]

Never used Masteron, is it not very much akin to Tren?

[Bencher]

Just picked up some Sciroxx test blend 300 and some Tren a 100. Brother has used Sciroxx for a while, and has liked the results. Figure i'll give it a whirl. Loved when WWP was in biz, all his stuff was top notch to me.

[Gunners]

^^ you can see the fly right?

[Bencher]

In pick looks like fruit fly, seems small. Dont worry, probly wont make it through the syringe!!

[barbellman]

how the fuck did a fly get in there

[joe d]

Geneza injects seem to be really good, ive never had a problem with their tren or test, the orals seem a little weak.
Blue heart dbols from bodyreasearch thai's are the best ive ever used, on 40-50mg a day i saw more gains then 70mg of genezas.

That is the exact opposite as the reviews of most including myself lol. thats weird.

[Gunners]

how the fuck did a fly get in there

It's a brand new product out of asia pharma - FLYOBOLIC

Just kiddin :)

[barbellman]

It's a brand new product out of asia pharma - FLYOBOLIC

Just kiddin :)


is that really an asia pharma vial?

[heavyiron]

it's a brand new product out of asia pharma - flyobolic

just kiddin :)
lol!!!

[5 Grams year round baby]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4031/flypf.jpg

lmfao wtffffff, u deff still used it didnt u??? loll

[joe d]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4031/flypf.jpg

reminds me of a pp vial i got once. it had a little red wood shaving in it and a small animal hair of some sort.

[Mavs]

If you don't know who you're buying it from at all you will never really have a good idea of the quality of what you buy.
True That

[Gunners]

lmfao wtffffff, u deff still used it didnt u??? loll

it's not mine. i always check my gear for flies now tho lol. thanks law makers - for making us all safer :drool:

[Mavs]

wtf was the blender for?! is that how syntrop made their "blends"? lol. pop the stopper on a few bottles, pour, blend for 30 seconds, then pour like margaritas into new bottles.

And what is the metal tin on the floor that looks like varnish or paint thinner?!
Makin Margaritas, during down time......MAN that pic is scary :confused:

[Gunners]

reminds me of a pp vial i got once. it had a little red wood shaving in it and a small animal hair of some sort.

Ya, my thinking is, if there is a fly in it or a hair, or wood shaving, it's not the best sign of quality and i'll pass. lol!

[Warped]

Wasn`t there a pubic hair found in an axio vial one time too? I`m sure I read about it.

[heavyiron]

Uncle Z is no longer on Outlaw muscle. I am hearing mixed reports but rumor has it he was selling fakes. Z says it is all BS.

More to come I am sure.

[HammerStrength12]

^^

I know multiple people in real life who said their gear didn't do shit for them.

[Kekoa]

is that really an asia pharma vial?


Balkan Pharmaceuticals

[Ironbrian82]

Anyone use Euro Pharmacies or Geneza Pharm?

ive used some of geneza tren and drostrolone had had awesome results

[shorty9]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4031/flypf.jpg

Oh shit, I looked at this but didnt see the fly in it! was this yours Gunner? cause if not, I guess it could just be on the outside, but goddamn. If I found a bug in my gear, I think I would punch the person I got it from. Literally. Or maybe headbutt then punch, then pop the stopper and make him drink the nasty "insecta-bol 100" he gave me.

[shorty9]

Uncle Z is no longer on Outlaw muscle. I am hearing mixed reports but rumor has it he was selling fakes. Z says it is all BS.

More to come I am sure.

Funny you say that. This was a while back but on one board, he was promoted heavily, and everyone had good things to say about him but I got a funny feeling that there wasnt anything but people kissing his ass and singing his praises. so I took a look at another board, and people were talking shit that some of his international stuff was fake and his domestic brand "zline" was crap. Sucks that you cant always depend on certain boards to give an unbiased review of a supplier, or cant depend on mods not "screening" posts about a given supplier just bc he/shes a sponsor or greases the palms of those in charge.....

But if hes no longer on outlawmuscle thats prob not a good sign.

[Gunners]

Oh shit, I looked at this but didnt see the fly in it! was this yours Gunner? cause if not, I guess it could just be on the outside, but goddamn. If I found a bug in my gear, I think I would punch the person I got it from. Literally. Or maybe headbutt then punch, then pop the stopper and make him drink the nasty "insecta-bol 100" he gave me.

LOL @ insectabol! the fly is in the vial, it's not mine no. scary eh.

[D_T]

I had some powder test once and I swear it looked like some idiot trimmed his goatee right into the bag.

[shorty9]

I had some powder test once and I swear it looked like some idiot trimmed his goatee right into the bag.

Ouch, that would be both disappointing and gross. Blows me away that any "business" would let something like this go out the door. Did they atleast replace the powder, not that youd want to use anything of theres after something like that.....

[adpolice]

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[Shadow]

Ouch, that would be both disappointing and gross. Blows me away that any "business" would let something like this go out the door. Did they atleast replace the powder, not that youd want to use anything of theres after something like that.....

Easy. You pay before you actually see the product. You take a leap of faith, they fuck you in the ass.

That's why when you're starting to use a new source, you should ALWAYS ALWAYS place a small order first, to test quality.

[Gunners]

Easy. You pay before you actually see the product. You take a leap of faith, they fuck you in the ass.

That's why when you're starting to use a new source, you should ALWAYS ALWAYS place a small order first, to test quality.

100% true! well worth the patience.

[Shadow]

100% true! well worth the patience.

I learned this from experience. My first ever order was fucking HUGE. And bunk as fuck, LOL!

[BoneBz]

Uncle Z is no longer on Outlaw muscle. I am hearing mixed reports but rumor has it he was selling fakes. Z says it is all BS.

More to come I am sure.

His norma deca was confirmed fake, he says he got a mixed batch fake and real. His Br. Dispensary anabol he posted are "working replicas" and offered to replace with his own lines tabs. :zip:

[Gunners]

I learned this from experience. My first ever order was fucking HUGE. And bunk as fuck, LOL!

same here, way to over zelous. now i go with a few bottles of dbol and nolvadex, cheap but i can still use to good effect :yep:

[shorty9]

Easy. You pay before you actually see the product. You take a leap of faith, they fuck you in the ass.

That's why when you're starting to use a new source, you should ALWAYS ALWAYS place a small order first, to test quality.


I understand that, and I guess im just thinking from a "normal" business standpoint. But even with underground commerce, word gets around that a ugl is shit, or underdosed, or just plain scammer.

1.Take care of your customers 2.put out a good product (only use quality powders from a trusted supplier) , 3.and keep your expenses/overhead as low as possible while still accomplishing 1 and 2 and you will be good. Word of mouth works wonders for business, especially business that is underground. And in this game there is a #4. Security and discretion(money is never more important then being safe....)

[Shadow]

I understand that, and I guess im just thinking from a "normal" business standpoint. But even with underground commerce, word gets around that a ugl is shit, or underdosed, or just plain scammer.

1.Take care of your customers 2.put out a good product (only use quality powders from a trusted supplier) , 3.and keep your expenses/overhead as low as possible while still accomplishing 1 and 2 and you will be good. Word of mouth works wonders for business, especially business that is underground. And in this game there is a #4. Security and discretion(money is never more important then being safe....)

Very true. You would think distributors would understand in this community, and try and do right by the consumer. They probably use too, so why be dicks? Boggles my mind.

[Gunners]

^^ Yes, but you have to contend with another logic:

1, I take money, deliver nothin, now i keap all the money and no way that idiot can catch me.

I have been fucked over a couple of times with the above logic. Best to order a few cheap dbol first, maybe £75 total-MAX, just to test the waters...

[Shadow]

^^ Yes, but you have to contend with another logic:

1, I take money, deliver nothin, now i keap all the money and no way that idiot can catch me.

I have been fucked over a couple of times with the above logic. Best to order a few cheap dbol first, maybe £75 total-MAX, just to test the waters...

Yeah, I know a lot of guys probably have the "run with the money" logic. It's a brilliant scam. But if they had any sense of how easy it is to RULE this biz with impeccable service and reliability, you'd think they'd jump on it.

It's just a dream of mine that illegal substance sellers would have a conscious, LOL

[heavyiron]

His norma deca was confirmed fake, he says he got a mixed batch fake and real. His Br. Dispensary anabol he posted are "working replicas" and offered to replace with his own lines tabs. :zip:
Last I heard he was making everything right but we will see.

[Fah-Q]

So Geneza is good? A few of my buddies here switched over to that from xr&^ds site. So far they haven't said anything bad

["Rodz"]

OK thanks - sometimes it don't work. Make sure you double check your gear for insects lol :)


Its just like the Tequila worm, fuckin eat it!!!!


:no:

[Shadow]

Elite Anabolics?

[Bencher]

Elite Anabolics?

Dont know how their products stack up, just dont like how "accessable" they seem.

[Shadow]

Dont know how their products stack up, just dont like how "accessable" they seem.

Very valid point.

[s2h]

So Geneza is good? A few of my buddies here switched over to that from xr&^ds site. So far they haven't said anything badgeneza orals are gtg...

[hawtbutseckz:)]

What about "ABG" labs (advanced biogenetics) anyone used them?

[joe d]

geneza orals are gtg...

have you heard any bad about their oils of recent?

i know gp had issues with their oils being crap in the past but ive heard they straightened it out. i used some of their e maybe a year or so ago and i was impressed.

[s2h]

have you heard any bad about their oils of recent?

i know gp had issues with their oils being crap in the past but ive heard they straightened it out. i used some of their e maybe a year or so ago and i was impressed.i'm hearing some good things about there oils..but i dont have any 1st hand exp to say for sure...

[ritch]

I have used pharm grade and in my experience the UGL I use is far better. I know where it is made and by who so I have no concerns on quality or safety. Also a board I know is going to send it in for testing soon to see how the dosing is!

c'mon man, if you have a good ugl, share the love brother...

[ritch]

I will be avoiding asia pharma and any products from world pharma

I would add that cocksucker uncle Z as well to that list.

[sandmanss]

My last go around with Geneza was excellent. Used prop, tren ace, and winny. Great results.

[Fah-Q]

Thinkin about getting some GP oils ...

[rottweiler.pt]

What's your opinion about Veyron Pharma and Novocrine?

Thanks.

[Shadow]

Elite Anabolics?


Dont know how their products stack up, just dont like how "accessable" they seem.

Anybody else?

[Provo82]

I was not impressed

agreed. used some primo by them and held a ton of water and bp spiked so it def was not primo.

[rottweiler.pt]

What's your opinion about Veyron Pharma and Novocrine?

Thanks.

bump

[bushmaster]

agreed. used some primo by them and held a ton of water and bp spiked so it def was not primo.

Sounds like it could of been EQ which a lot of UGL's use instead of Primo.

[Secret]

O.K, So how do the various 'Stealth' products measure up those sold in vials. I ask because I notice customs seem to be getting good at spotting vials.

[world-pharma]

I will be avoiding asia pharma and any products from world pharma


I love you too, you are so funny member!

[Shadow]

I love you too, you are so funny member!

You really don't have the greatest reputation around. While there are some (who can afford you or were lucky enough to be sent free product) who say it's legit and great quality, your prices make you a joke.

Though I'm curious as to what the person you quoted was referring to.

[Greg0ry]

VIGBiosciences????

[Bcoop78]

O.K, So how do the various 'Stealth' products measure up those sold in vials. I ask because I notice customs seem to be getting good at spotting vials.

My only experience with stuff from sachets was great. Definitely inconvenient, but good stuff. Don't know the source but the sachets were made to look like German fragrance samples...

[5% Monster]

lol true. but not much choice mate. i dont experiment wth this lab & that lab... find one thats good and stick to it.

Even if you can get a script for test hrt & happy to run just test - how high can you really go?

Gunners, I agree once my underground connection was no longer an option, I explored ways to get it legally via HRT. Currently have two sources. Once from my doc covered under my insurance and another when its time to stack or cut up, so I can order stuff from him. But, this person comes highly recommended and I have blood work about three weeks into purchasing anything, to insure its pure and not fake.

[ADRAKE21]

anyone gear anything about GAULS? their price's seem to good to be true to be good quality..:dunno:

[heavyiron]

I love you too, you are so funny member!


Asia pharma trenabolic is treating me very well :)

Smooth liqud gold...

[DieselXT]

Asia pharma trenabolic is treating me very well :)

Smooth liqud gold...

seems to be trating you good looking sick heavyyyy:yep:

[test42myhttp]

I think they got busted, it was one of those from Moldovia, I think..
Since then I have not been able to find a a replacement for Liquid Proviron,
I love that stuff, pills are way more expensive than liquid.

Pills I could find plenty but it adds up quickly for a full cycle.

[Bencher]

I think they got busted, it was one of those from Moldovia, I think..
Since then I have not been able to find a a replacement for Liquid Proviron,
I love that stuff, pills are way more expensive than liquid.

Pills I could find plenty but it adds up quickly for a full cycle.
I wish the Source Fairy will come around and guide me in my quest.:yep:

Source Fairy? Not sure the "Source Fairy" responds to first time posters.

[jnickels]

I think they got busted, it was one of those from Moldovia, I think..
Since then I have not been able to find a a replacement for Liquid Proviron,
I love that stuff, pills are way more expensive than liquid.

Pills I could find plenty but it adds up quickly for a full cycle.
I wish the Source Fairy will come around and guide me in my quest.:yep:

What did it sound like when the water truck crashed into the vinegar truck......dooooooooooooooooche.

[bushmaster]

Source Fairy? Not sure the "Source Fairy" responds to first time posters.

I hope the mods do with the ban hammer. This place has been getting better with less trouble.

[Bencher]

I hope the mods do with the ban hammer. This place has been getting better with less trouble.

Very true man.

[Sieve]

AVOID:
Balkan, Pharmacom, Geneza, Genesis.

[test42myhttp]

AVOID:
Balkan, Pharmacom, Geneza, Genesis.

Thanks guy, I apologize if I did something I shouldn't, I am not able to edit the post, I wish I could.
I am a long time reader and fan, lots of info in this site.

[Mike Marcano]

AVOID:
Balkan, Pharmacom, Geneza, Genesis.

Then what would you NOT avoid? It's so confusing considering how some like Wolrd Pharma and others avoid, some like Geneza and some avoid, etc. I know when I first tried Geneza I was AMAZED! My last order that had TEST E was like taking water....I hope they cleaned up as I really loved them and there prices!

[DA]

Ccb labs??picked some up but haven't used it yet. Supposed to be a nY (east coast) ugl.

[test42myhttp]

From Board to board or sometimes in the same forum it is hard to sort out who is telling the truth, Hence my question about Proviron, I have been taken a couple of times already.

[adpolice]

Another one to avoid:Hubei huangshi,their halotestin is pure dust(thank i didn't pay for it)

[test42myhttp]

I pickup some Proviron pills, very expensive, I have used Proviron in the past and it really does a very nice job.

I am still looking for Liquid Proviron, it was quite cheap and effective, it has been quite impossible to find it in liquid from, but I am not giving up.

[airagee23]

VIGBiosciences????

Heard nothing but good things.

[Mike Marcano]

Not asking for a source, but does any source have ....dont test the system...

[Shadow]

^ yes

[adpolice]

AVOID:
Balkan, Pharmacom, Geneza, Genesis.

I on the other hand had great success with genesis meds,their halotestin is the bomb..

[5% Monster]

What do you guys think of chemone research?

[s2h]

What do you guys think of chemone research?they cant hold genx chemicals jock strap....

[shorty9]

got another one to add to the list. Peak Pharmaceuticals. Had never used them before but my buddy said he had used a decent amt of their stuff it was g2g. just finished a bottle of their enanthate several wks ago, and it was real, but problem was it caused extreme inflammation for about 3days post injection. I didnt notice this at 1st bc was using it with GP deca and pulling both back in same pin everytime so hadnt used the enanthate alone. Had 3 different people approach me about the inflammation issue and brushed it off as crappy injection technique at 1st, but decided to test things myself. Ran out of deca, and before started eq loaded up a pin with 1.5 cc's of Peak's t.enanth 300 and pinned my right glute......They werent lying or exaggerating, didnt hurt at 1st but the next morning had a lump the size of a half baseball they took several days to go down.

Just to be sure, 3 days later I tried it again on the opposite side, and had the same result. This is the 2nd brand oaf enanthate ive had issues with in the last 5months, and never had a problem in any of my previous 4-5cycles. Anyway, will be avoiding stuff from Peak Pharmaceuticals in future.

[s2h]

got another one to add to the list. Peak Pharmaceuticals. Had never used them before but my buddy said he had used a decent amt of their stuff it was g2g. just finished a bottle of their enanthate several wks ago, and it was real, but problem was it caused extreme inflammation for about 3days post injection. I didnt notice this at 1st bc was using it with GP deca and pulling both back in same pin everytime so hadnt used the enanthate alone. Had 3 different people approach me about the inflammation issue and brushed it off as crappy injection technique at 1st, but decided to test things myself. Ran out of deca, and before started eq loaded up a pin with 1.5 cc's of Peak's t.enanth 300 and pinned my right glute......They werent lying or exaggerating, didnt hurt at 1st but the next morning had a lump the size of a half baseball they took several days to go down.

Just to be sure, 3 days later I tried it again on the opposite side, and had the same result. This is the 2nd brand oaf enanthate ive had issues with in the last 5months, and never had a problem in any of my previous 4-5cycles. Anyway, will be avoiding stuff from Peak Pharmaceuticals in future.could be BA..could be its the ester in enanthate...hows cyp treat ya..might want to go that route...shorty...take some ibu...

[Mike Marcano]

could be BA..could be its the ester in enanthate...hows cyp treat ya..might want to go that route...shorty...take some ibu...
Hey, didn't mean to seem like I was hunting a source like to give me a website or an email, just wanted to know what brand had M1T....Like saying that British Dragon has Test Enanthate, not where can I get BD Test Enan....know what I mean? Thanks any way for keeping the board clean s2h

[spude]

Anyone know anything about incbb?

[heavyiron]

What do you guys think of chemone research?
Very good

[5% Monster]

they cant hold genx chemicals jock strap....

? what do you mean? GenX is better?

[Jack of All]

never used genx but chemone is top notch, real stuff! Letro is 100% legit, clen and t3 are as well.

[IzlamikPork]

What do you guys think of chemone research?


Their Clen is ridiculously overdosed. 2 years later, I'm still trying to finish the bottle.

[s2h]

Hey, didn't mean to seem like I was hunting a source like to give me a website or an email, just wanted to know what brand had M1T....Like saying that British Dragon has Test Enanthate, not where can I get BD Test Enan....know what I mean? Thanks any way for keeping the board clean s2hall good..bro..

[s2h]

? what do you mean? GenX is better?yep..genx is better..thats from pratical application..not board talk..genx's peptides are the best out there...for your lab animals of course...

[AZZA]

So the consensus on Chemone is they are good to go and good products?

AZZA

[heavyiron]

So the consensus on Chemone is they are good to go and good products?

AZZA
All I used for 2 years was ChemOneResearch. Everything they sell is 100% good to go.

[Gunners]

LOL! @ crashing...

[heavyiron]

LOL! @ crashing...
Doc apt May 2nd ;)

[AZZA]

Thanks Heavy that answers a few Q's. How you feeling right now after the challenge?

AZZA

[heavyiron]

Thanks Heavy that answers a few Q's. How you feeling right now after the challenge?

AZZA
Great! Carb load day!

[spude]

Anyone know anything about incbb?

anyone???

[shorty9]

could be BA..could be its the ester in enanthate...hows cyp treat ya..might want to go that route...shorty...take some ibu...

Cyp and enanthate have both been fine in the past. Actually those 2 are all I use(dont do well with prop, or atleast the 2 type of prop have used in past...will prob try it again some day anyway.)

Think it maybe BA thats too high like ya said:dunno:.... Whats normal concentration for BA in enanthate?

both types of enanthate that have had issues with (PEAK and Athens pharma) have been a little higher concentration at 300mg/ml rather then 250/ml but I dont know if that has anything to do with anything. I am inclined to steer away from any brand that cant make decent enanathate bc from everything Ive ever read enanthate isnt too had to make, so that may be a reflection of quality of their entire line... But again thats just going by what others have told me.

[daywalker72]

puregear?

[shorty9]

puregear?

heard a mixed bag on reviews, but havent tried myself. would be good to know though since it is supposed to be local... anyone else? curious in any 1st hand experiences as well. :dunno:

[dbow196]

Delta Pharm, it's crap. Not fake, just compared to everything else I've used under-dosed and weak.

[s2h]

outside of the major pharms..everbody makes something thats crap or under/overdosed however you want to label it..some make a good "this' and a bad "that"..just got to try and see sometimes...

[bashman]

Posted this question in another thread, thought it might be a appropriate here as well.

"Can anyone advise on Gen X Ostarine / MK-2866. In a solution of 50MG/ML - 60ML, for the price its abosutely dirt cheap - out of the 10+ companies I can source from, none of them are even near as cheap.

Can anyone confirm thier raws are high quality, not some knock off asian crap.

The only real legit company I know 100% is sarmsearch. I've tried it and the effects are apparant, and apparantely they source, test and supply from a UK lab. It's also the most expensive at only 750mg for $150, but would glady pay for quality of quantity."

[daywalker72]

jelfa?

[adpolice]

jelfa?

If you mean the omnadren it is gtg,actually it is pharm grade..but unfortunately recently a lab has faked them:drool:

[daywalker72]

If you mean the omnadren it is gtg,actually it is pharm grade..but unfortunately recently a lab has faked them:drool:

test e (jelfa prolongatum)

[adpolice]

test e (jelfa prolongatum)

The only product that i'm familiar with is the omnadren which is very popular here in EU,if it is real jelfa then it should be legit;)

[bushmaster]

outside of the major pharms..everbody makes something thats crap or under/overdosed however you want to label it..some make a good "this' and a bad "that"..just got to try and see sometimes...

I know a good lab that makes a good everything! But that's my opinion. I think most labs are great when they first start out then they start to cut corners. A few grams here and there goes a long way in profit margin. If they just stayed honest they would make more in the long haul, just my opinion. I don't deal with any large UGL's because of this.

[daywalker72]

The only product that i'm familiar with is the omnadren which is very popular here in EU,if it is real jelfa then it should be legit;)

thank you sir

[Love//less]

medistar? canadian ugl. anyone have any canadian domestics?

[RawLifter]

medistar? canadian ugl. anyone have any canadian domestics?

Medistar is good to go. At least their test/tren is.

[Buckeye Fan]

heard a mixed bag on reviews, but havent tried myself. would be good to know though since it is supposed to be local... anyone else? curious in any 1st hand experiences as well. :dunno:

Puregear is good to go. 16 weeks of test e 750 a wk I'm up 40lbs. I did first three weeks with dbol which is gtg also just killed my appetite and bloated too much. Starting deca and test c in 6 weeks.

[airagee23]

got another one to add to the list. Peak Pharmaceuticals. Had never used them before but my buddy said he had used a decent amt of their stuff it was g2g. just finished a bottle of their enanthate several wks ago, and it was real, but problem was it caused extreme inflammation for about 3days post injection. I didnt notice this at 1st bc was using it with GP deca and pulling both back in same pin everytime so hadnt used the enanthate alone. Had 3 different people approach me about the inflammation issue and brushed it off as crappy injection technique at 1st, but decided to test things myself. Ran out of deca, and before started eq loaded up a pin with 1.5 cc's of Peak's t.enanth 300 and pinned my right glute......They werent lying or exaggerating, didnt hurt at 1st but the next morning had a lump the size of a half baseball they took several days to go down.

Just to be sure, 3 days later I tried it again on the opposite side, and had the same result. This is the 2nd brand oaf enanthate ive had issues with in the last 5months, and never had a problem in any of my previous 4-5cycles. Anyway, will be avoiding stuff from Peak Pharmaceuticals in future.

Running Peak now and no problems. Good stuff.

[Buckeye Fan]

Anyone hear of jelfa Poland or organon?

[vuji]

Hey guys long follower of the site mainly just a reader but finally needed other opinions on a question. For someone living in Canada, Life Sciences, Dynamic, and New Pharma are brands that are circling around. Having done research on all 3 it is tough to find actual users of the brands opinions, the only info i've found are from the members with 1 post just boosting brands not even knowing what there talking about.

any help?

[Bencher]

Anyone hear of jelfa Poland or organon?

Both have been around for years!! Both make a good test blend. Organon is the legit Sustanon 250 company.

[Buckeye Fan]

Both have been around for years!! Both make a good test blend. Organon is the legit Sustanon 250 company.

Thanks bro. Going to try some sust out. The amps are a pain but oh well.

[unracked]

Made the mistake of trying Balkan TC years ago when it came out, crippling.

[strappingyounglad]

Hi , new member here and this looks like a good thread . I don't seem to hear too much about Dragon Pharma , GenShi Labs or Opiox Pharma .

These brands are sold by a sponsor on musclediscussion and looks like the feedback on MD is good , however on OLM , members are complaining of the long T/A and a lot of seizures which I know has nothing to do with the quality of the gear .

Also Balkan Pharmaceuticals has a lot of mixed feedback on different boards , and anyone here use this because I thought the Balkan Var was shit . I have used Geneza Test Prop and Var with good results , only it was almost 2 years ago and things may have chaged .

[heavyiron]

Hi , new member here and this looks like a good thread . I don't seem to hear too much about Dragon Pharma , GenShi Labs or Opiox Pharma .

These brands are sold by a sponsor on musclediscussion and looks like the feedback on MD is good , however on OLM , members are complaining of the long T/A and a lot of seizures which I know has nothing to do with the quality of the gear .

Also Balkan Pharmaceuticals has a lot of mixed feedback on different boards , and anyone here use this because I thought the Balkan Var was shit . I have used Geneza Test Prop and Var with good results , only it was almost 2 years ago and things may have chaged .
In May there were a ton of seizures. EK had to stop shipping from a particular location because of it. DP and Gen Shi are now back on line and good to go.

[Sieve]

Balkan is pure shit

[SloBro]

Anyone heard of panther pharmaceuticals? Have a local source that can get their gear, but I have never heard of it. If its legit was gonna pick up some test e

[EVO rep]

Hi , new member here and this looks like a good thread . I don't seem to hear too much about Dragon Pharma , GenShi Labs or Opiox Pharma .

These brands are sold by a sponsor on musclediscussion and looks like the feedback on MD is good , however on OLM , members are complaining of the long T/A and a lot of seizures which I know has nothing to do with the quality of the gear .

Also Balkan Pharmaceuticals has a lot of mixed feedback on different boards , and anyone here use this because I thought the Balkan Var was shit . I have used Geneza Test Prop and Var with good results , only it was almost 2 years ago and things may have chaged .

gp is still gtg ..never was a balkan fan

[smflorence]

Nova ... Nova Labs?

[ADRAKE21]

anyone???
incbb is selios G2G

[vuji]

anyone know much about the sydgroup dbol with the kangaroo print on the back of the pills?

[smflorence]

Nova ... Nova Labs?

^ ???

[kron22]

anyone know much about the sydgroup dbol with the kangaroo print on the back of the pills?
have used their winstrol years ago and it was gtg back then....

[kron22]

the UG lab i currenty utilize is just as good as my trt watson test e 200...have used many diff chems from this lab and everyone is legit dosed correct and service is impeccable...

[ritch]

^^^ well don't leave us sitting here with our cocks in our hands, lol... which lab is it you use? If that's you in the avatar, respect!

[kron22]

^^^ well don't leave us sitting here with our cocks in our hands, lol... which lab is it you use? If that's you in the avatar, respect!
its a small domestic lab....and they make a good everything

[kron22]

and no thats not me in the avatar....drop 60 lbs and their i am...i sit at 225 comfortably..no desire to compete so i dont feel the need to get in the 260 range...although MPD is appealing to me

[ritch]

its a small domestic lab....and they make a good everything

that's the name of the lab? weird name...

[Aleksis]

how about Lixus? any feedbacks?

[juiceinator3000]

how about? any feedbacks?

Test sucks ass. All else is ok, but don't order any test.

[Iverson3030]

Anybody use optimal labs test or tren? i believe it comes from anabolic body

[Aleksis]

Test sucks ass. All else is ok, but don't order any test.

...Damn :((( i already ordered their cyp and prop...

[juiceinator3000]

Anybody use optimal labs test or tren? i believe it comes from anabolic body

Optimal test is the tits. No sourcing on here though homie. Haven't used the tren but know its g2g. The sust was insane.

[juiceinator3000]

...Damn :((( i already ordered their cyp and prop...

Sorry bro. Pm me your source and I'll at least tell you if you got a chance..

[Iverson3030]

Optimal test is the tits. No sourcing on here though homie. Haven't used the tren but know its g2g. The sust was insane.

my bad man im new on this forum im going to edit the post...glad to hear the positive feedback i plan on ordering it soon

[juiceinator3000]

my bad man im new on this forum im going to edit the post...glad to hear the positive feedback i plan on ordering it soon

You won't be able to, 5 minute limit I'll get a mod to edit it bro. No big.

[Big Baldwin]

my bad man im new on this forum im going to edit the post...glad to hear the positive feedback i plan on ordering it soon
Optimal is good stuff. Tren, Deca and Test are all g2g

[juiceinator3000]

Yep deca is good too. I just switched to Normas though since I got them free. Shit can't beat that.

[nitrous]

Medistar is good to go. At least their test/tren is.

i think medistar is highly underdosed.. many labs have also shown that to be true

[ritch]

i think medistar is highly underdosed.. many labs have also shown that to be true

LOL, I dare you to say that on chemical mass, lol... or any other canadian ug board they run!

[nitrous]

LOL, I dare you to say that on chemical mass, lol... or any other canadian ug board they run!

haha thats why i'm saying it on RX ;)

[ritch]

haha thats why i'm saying it on RX ;)

don't blame ya, some of them do come here, so at least they will see the truth as that would be moderated out in .0003 seconds over there, lol... and their stuff is not cheap for UG... Oh well, there is worse like northern something... $120 for a bottle of enanthate, lol... human grade prices for UG stuff...

[s2h]

Ok..lets not talk prices...and no links to suppliers and sources...you can feel free to talk about a ugl and its quality...all clear..

[Iverson3030]

Optimal is good stuff. Tren, Deca and Test are all g2g

good news appreciate the feedback

[Anabolic77]

I'm NOT trying get flamed here but what's the big deal about sourcing? Everyone posts everything else about there personal lives on here. Cycles, pictures etc...What does it matter where u get the shit? I could use some new sources myself, I'm kinda a lone ranger where I live.

[GirlyMuscle]

I'm NOT trying get flamed here but what's the big deal about sourcing? Everyone posts everything else about there personal lives on here. Cycles, pictures etc...What does it matter where u get the shit? I could use some new sources myself, I'm kinda a lone ranger where I live.

Because that's the rules. I don't make them, just enforce them. :)

[s2h]

I'm NOT trying get flamed here but what's the big deal about sourcing? Everyone posts everything else about there personal lives on here. Cycles, pictures etc...What does it matter where u get the shit? I could use some new sources myself, I'm kinda a lone ranger where I live.cause thats the rules..we keep things under a certain rules blanket for a reason..:yep:

[Anabolic77]

cause thats the rules..we keep things under a certain rules blanket for a reason..:yep:

Ok just wondering

[bb1129]

Uncle Z is no longer on Outlaw muscle. I am hearing mixed reports but rumor has it he was selling fakes. Z says it is all BS.

More to come I am sure.

Anyone know what ever came of this? Is Z's stuff shit or what?

[ritch]

Anyone know what ever came of this? Is Z's stuff shit or what?

Why don't you order and find out? I've never used it, been on the boards for a while and vedict is... Find another place/source.

[Greg0ry]

Dynasty China Labs...

Pretty sure I'm one of the last to receive anything from them... Gear knotted me up like a son of a bitch (Prop and Tren A)... Last shot I did, my quad was swollen for 2 fucking weeks... I'd lump up wherever I injected... Worst cycle ever...

EDIT....
UncleZ is back on OLM... I used his shit about 4 years back, first stuff I ever used, and I think it was OKAY... Felt under dosed to me... Was also my first cycle though so I had nothing to compare it to...

[Provo82]

how about Kalpa pharm?

[kron22]

dynasty labs BLOWS in my opinion....

[ICE WATER]

how about Kalpa pharm?


wondering the same thing myself. ive heard its good on another board but def hope someone can chime in here

[s2h]

Anyone know what ever came of this? Is Z's stuff shit or what?

I know someone who knows a bunch about uncle z....will see whats up...and report back...

[shaunw8lftr]

I know someone who knows a bunch about uncle z....will see whats up...and report back...


Would love to hear, Ive used his stuff in the recent past and was pleased.

[gadawg56]

Anyone use Benchmarks Pharms products from canada ?

[bb1129]

I know someone who knows a bunch about uncle z....will see whats up...and report back...

nice. thank you

[joe d]

Anyone know what ever came of this? Is Z's stuff shit or what?

z is an ass. you may get decent stuff or get scammed. thats how he is.

[s2h]

z is an ass. you may get decent stuff or get scammed. thats how he is.that's kinda what i have thought...but i will give him the benefit of the doubt til i talk to someone i know...that's the new s2h...2012..

[bb1129]

the new and improved s2h..i'm impressed. very level headed. leads me to think you're on cruise or pct..

[BC123Jm]

the new and improved s2h..i'm impressed. very level headed. leads me to think you're on cruise or pct..


i prefer the 2011 model. irrational,compulsive and quick to ban a cracker.

[bb1129]

i prefer the 2011 model. irrational,compulsive and quick to ban a cracker.

hahaaa!

[s2h]

the new and improved s2h..i'm impressed. very level headed. leads me to think you're on cruise or pct..

I'm on perma cruise....no clomid for s2h...

[s2h]

i prefer the 2011 model. irrational,compulsive and quick to ban a cracker.

Oh...i"m sure the 2011 model will rear it's ugly head again sometime...i actually prefer the 2009 model...that would be the impaired model...you should have seen some of those...

[joe d]

lol

[joe d]

that's kinda what i have thought...but i will give him the benefit of the doubt til i talk to someone i know...that's the new s2h...2012..

well i guess if thats all you have to rely on you never will actually know. i do in fact know since ive received a handful of bottles that where nothing more than plain sterile oil from them. the typical no response to emails until you let it be known that you can trash their rep then its all hugs and kisses lined with bs excuses and promise of extra for the troubles. no thanks. selective scammers are shit regardless of who their reps are or who they sponsor. screw z.

[juiceinator3000]

well i guess if thats all you have to rely on you never will actually know. i do in fact know since ive received a handful of bottles that where nothing more than plain sterile oil from them. the typical no response to emails until you let it be known that you can trash their rep then its all hugs and kisses lined with bs excuses and promise of extra for the troubles. no thanks. selective scammers are shit regardless of who their reps are or who they sponsor. screw z.

Fuck that shit. I love my sources.

[Jeremy24]

anyone ever use Fast Muscle Co

[circspecialist]

Anyone have any experience with using Nuvanna Labs products, i.e. gear?

[Ironbrian82]

guys my best ugl is alpha pharma 100&, ive had great gains, dont seem to be underdosed gained great everytime, my other favorite is balkan (moldovia) not sure if its ugl but it awesome. my fav hg gear is polish omnadren,metananobol5mg(dbol), testex from spain turkish primes gotta be carefull all the orgenon sus,deca,andriol40mg caps. bayer testoviron depot.primobolan, and the greek noma hells test e and deca are all great