Why didn't pros from back then

[Youngguns]

have 0 gyno with no PCT?

[esplendido]

No clomid, nolvadex, arimidex.

[BarbellBeast]

have 0 gyno with no PCT?

PCT? When would they come off?

[Youngguns]

Were they then shut down permanently because of that?

[Bob Smith Jr.]

i always read that they would just taper down and then come off...

[Hendog]

have 0 gyno with no PCT?

What? What does gyno have to do with PCT. Most gyno is developed during a cycle.

If you meant to ask how guys didnt get gyno without achillary drugs, the answer is dose. 500-600mg of Test with 300-400mg of Primo was a pro dose.

As far as no PCT, you can recover without it. It certainly takes longer and you loose more gains, but you recover.

[Caleb56]

Im not sure why not ask Franco Columbo. :eek::D:popcorn:

[Jacquester]

What? What does gyno have to do with PCT. Most gyno is developed during a cycle.

If you meant to ask how guys didnt get gyno without achillary drugs, the answer is dose. 500-600mg of Test with 300-400mg of Primo was a pro dose.

As far as no PCT, you can recover without it. It certainly takes longer and you loose more gains, but you recover.

well said.

[BigJD69]

The Cycling was different as duncanlukas said they would taper down toward the end of the cycle!!!

[irishpride]

What? What does gyno have to do with PCT. Most gyno is developed during a cycle.




while try it does happen to some during pct from tjhe estrogen rebound.
i do agree though it is more prevalent to happen during said cycle

[BigJD69]

HCG was around!

[eman]

Plus back then they kept it simple. Test,dbol.winny... now it looks more like test, dbol, hgh,insulin,tren, etc,etc...

[s2h]

lower doses,back in the days the average pro was taken 1/2 of what most amateurs take today!

[Realize]

So you guys think that 500mg/wk of test wont give someone gyno ??

[JamesWebb]

what makes you think there was no gyno? plenty of guys had gyno back then. not arnold and other big name guys but plenty of gym rats and bbers had gyno in the 70's

[esplendido]

Yes, we had HCG, but it wasn't used as a PCT drug. It was used to build muscle with a cycle or for those who went on the cheap, used as a cycle.

We also weren't on year 'round. We'd do 2 cycles per year.....one to bulk, usually 6-12 weeks, and one to cut, usually 6-12 weeks. Some adventerous guys would cycle on 6 weeks, off 4 weeks and repeat....year 'round.

Huge doses in the 70's were considered anything over 300mg/wk injectibles and anything over 50mg/day oral. It was originally thought that growth was not dose-dependent.

Powerlifters were the ones that went over the top and experimented with large dose cycles....and when they DID get bigger and stronger as the dose went up, that data floated over into BBing in the early 80's and we were off to the races!

[BigPablo300]

So you guys think that 500mg/wk of test wont give someone gyno ??

I would say that would be an individual genetic circumstance. Androgen receptors and estrogen sensitivity play a large part in dose related gyno. Some guys can use a ton of gear and have minimal to no problems while others may have issues at a low to moderate dose. Everyone responds differently to AAS.

[fits]

Nice debate and good to have some one here that was around back 'in the day' Lots of people ask about old time ASS use.

[ironstudent]

Yes, we had HCG, but it wasn't used as a PCT drug. It was used to build muscle with a cycle or for those who went on the cheap, used as a cycle.

We also weren't on year 'round. We'd do 2 cycles per year.....one to bulk, usually 6-12 weeks, and one to cut, usually 6-12 weeks. Some adventerous guys would cycle on 6 weeks, off 4 weeks and repeat....year 'round.

Huge doses in the 70's were considered anything over 300mg/wk injectibles and anything over 50mg/day oral. It was originally thought that growth was not dose-dependent.

Powerlifters were the ones that went over the top and experimented with large dose cycles....and when they DID get bigger and stronger as the dose went up, that data floated over into BBing in the early 80's and we were off to the races!

I'm pretty sture this thread is about "Pro's Back then". I would venture to guess that your top pros were taking more than "300 mg's per week"

[MRT]

have 0 gyno with no PCT?

You must be the dumbest man alive!