Biggest dose

[fitzy]

Just curious to what is the biggest steroid stack you have ever known somebody to take, either personally known or had reliable information on???

[barbellman]

Kovacs said NASSER was taking 10,000 MG of testanona(not including other drugs)

[fitzy]

Kovacs said NASSER was taking 10,000 MG of testanona(not including other drugs)

Far out, that's insane

[Ryan Bracewell]

Kovacs said NASSER was taking 10,000 MG of testanona(not including other drugs)

I call bullshit on that. Not only is that 40cc a week, not even counting other drugs, but that's double or triple what most pro's are rumored to take....and half the time I think the rumors are fake

[Sledge]

Whew. when I saw the thread title I was thinking someone got my medical records from Thailand.

[axioma]

Kovacs said NASSER was taking 10,000 MG of testanona(not including other drugs)
I don't think Kovacs is the most reliable source AND everyone seems to use Nassar as their example of late....what happened to Kamali?:hmn:

[barbellman]

I call bullshit on that. Not only is that 40cc a week, not even counting other drugs, but that's double or triple what most pro's are rumored to take....and half the time I think the rumors are fake


ARE YOU CALLING GREG KOVACS A LIAR?


I don't think its that hard to believe, even on Nasser's "On the way Part 1" he admits to gaining 143lbs of solid muscle as a pro bodybuilder. He was a 140lb twink without juice. He is rumored to be one of the biggest abusers of all time.

I know local guys running 3,500 mg test + other drugs, its not that hard to believe a pro bodybuilder is abusing the hell out of drugs

[axioma]

Whew. when I saw the thread title I was thinking someone got my medical records from Thailand.

For some reason I can't rep anyone...not even people with ZERO reps...so will a cohiba do? LMFAO!

[fitzy]

hell even 5000mg is huge, do people really take that much, they must feel awful on that much??

["Rodz"]

i don't think kovacs is the most reliable source and everyone seems to use nassar as their example of late....what happened to kamali?:hmn:

89127

[axioma]

89127

Thank you sir!

[barbellman]

what the fuck

[joe d]

5-6g total. i also find 10g hard to believe. keeping yourself alive on that dose seems to be damn near impossible even with great genetics. when you get up there in the doses shit starts happening.

[DJTree]

I call bullshit on that. Not only is that 40cc a week, not even counting other drugs, but that's double or triple what most pro's are rumored to take....and half the time I think the rumors are fake

"I actually know a guy who was taking 10,000 mg/week of anabolic steroids. You read that correctly--ten thousand milligrams per week! He walked around with a perpetual fever, achy joints, constantly sweating, nauseous, and he had the worst case of edema (water retention) I have ever seen." (Palumbo)

Palumbo, David. "Ask the Godfather" RxMuscle Magazine Issue #5, p. 8. Print. Winter 2004.

[BC123Jm]

Just curious to what is the biggest steroid stack you have ever known somebody to take, either personally known or had reliable information on???


just read the Paul Borrenson thread in the chem section.

paul borrenson - RX Muscle Forums

[barbellman]

"I actually know a guy who was taking 10,000 mg/week of anabolic steroids. You read that correctly--ten thousand milligrams per week! He walked around with a perpetual fever, achy joints, constantly sweating, nauseous, and he had the worst case of edema (water retention) I have ever seen." (Palumbo)

Palumbo, David. "Ask the Godfather" RxMuscle Magazine Issue #5, p. 8. Print. Winter 2004.

great find

[swoleoneday]

I know a couple of guys personally that run around 2 grams a week of test, not counting other drugs. The thing is that they aren't big at all. Their max offseason weight is around 230.

[ANADROLicfreak]

10.000mg right here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DJTree]

great find

Thanks, Dave had a pretty good magazine going there. I still harbor unfounded hope that maybe he'll start printing a quarterly again. :yep:

[rinse]

7-10 grams of test a week. Year round. Big time strongman competitor. He's retired now. This came straight from the guy himself.

[ANADROLicfreak]

i recommend a whole cup a day.

[JayJones]

230 lbs on 2 grams of test. Must be some old bunk garbage because no way you only get to that weight on that much test especially combined with other stuff.

You know it could be a food thing to because most people just don't like to eat like they should a lot of the time.

Gotta love the guys who go into the grams on testosterone but don't read on the other things you need to include to actually make it worth while so you don't look like a water buffalo.

Its like the guys who sit there at 15% bf on cycle. Why get on and be a fatass???

I can understand for a strongman because they walk around at damn near 400 lbs but for bodybuilding. just seems like overkill...

[barbellman]

7-10 grams of test a week. Year round. Big time strongman competitor. He's retired now. This came straight from the guy himself.


now we are talking

[5 Grams year round baby]

5 in the bush

[Ryan Bracewell]

"I actually know a guy who was taking 10,000 mg/week of anabolic steroids. You read that correctly--ten thousand milligrams per week! He walked around with a perpetual fever, achy joints, constantly sweating, nauseous, and he had the worst case of edema (water retention) I have ever seen." (Palumbo)

Palumbo, David. "Ask the Godfather" RxMuscle Magazine Issue #5, p. 8. Print. Winter 2004.

Even though I still find that hard to believe, he is talking 10g total, not 10g Test plus all the other drugs....huge difference. Regardless both seem unbelievable to me, and if they are true the people are fucking idiots.


7-10 grams of test a week. Year round. Big time strongman competitor. He's retired now. This came straight from the guy himself.

Just because someone says it, doesnt make it true. I hear all kinds of stories that are probably not true. I also have 100 customers at my store that benched 500lbs raw in high school....came straight from their mouth. ;)

[barbellman]

Even though I still find that hard to believe, he is talking 10g total, not 10g Test plus all the other drugs....huge difference. Regardless both seem unbelievable to me, and if they are true the people are fucking idiots.



Just because someone says it, doesnt make it true. I hear all kinds of stories that are probably not true. I also have 100 customers at my store that benched 500lbs raw in high school....came straight from their mouth. ;)



Yea but we are talking DRUGS here. Who the fuck over states their drug use in bodybuilding? Everyone is minimizing their use.

We have Lee priest saying he takes 1 amp of parabolin 3x a week with some deca

We have 100% all natural hard work Gustavo


What does a bodybuilder gain from saying, OH YEA I USED 10,000 MG if he's only using 2,000 MG?

[BC123Jm]

^^^^^
Dudes got a point.

[Ryan Bracewell]

Yea but we are talking DRUGS here. Who the fuck over states their drug use in bodybuilding? Everyone is minimizing their use.

We have Lee priest saying he takes 1 amp of parabolin 3x a week with some deca

We have 100% all natural hard work Gustavo


What does a bodybuilder gain from saying, OH YEA I USED 10,000 MG if he's only using 2,000 MG?

But you also have guys that claim to be on more than they are because they think it makes them cool or some other retarded bullshit.

Plus, Nassar is a notorious liar. He used to claim that eating melon(or some shit like that) was the best post workout and all he had....no protein

[HammerStrength12]

ARE YOU CALLING GREG KOVACS A LIAR?


I don't think its that hard to believe, even on Nasser's "On the way Part 1" he admits to gaining 143lbs of solid muscle as a pro bodybuilder. He was a 140lb twink without juice. He is rumored to be one of the biggest abusers of all time.

I know local guys running 3,500 mg test + other drugs, its not that hard to believe a pro bodybuilder is abusing the hell out of drugs


I have no clue what the pros are doing, but I also know local guys running that much. I know guys that look like natties that are on stacks of 5 compounds with a gram of test as a base.

[HammerStrength12]

Yea but we are talking DRUGS here. Who the fuck over states their drug use in bodybuilding? Everyone is minimizing their use.

We have Lee priest saying he takes 1 amp of parabolin 3x a week with some deca

We have 100% all natural hard work Gustavo


What does a bodybuilder gain from saying, OH YEA I USED 10,000 MG if he's only using 2,000 MG?



Let's put it this way - on these boards alone, you have guys publicizing their use of 2-3 grams a week, BLP is open about how he's taking like 20iu of growth a week, etc etc. And he's not even a pro.

While 10g is definitely hard to believe, it's complete denial/see no evil if one thinks there's no SERIOUS abuse going on lol.

[barbellman]

But you also have guys that claim to be on more than they are because they think it makes them cool or some other retarded bullshit.

Plus, Nassar is a notorious liar. He used to claim that eating melon(or some shit like that) was the best post workout and all he had....no protein

I have no clue where you are going with this Bracewell, but I know you can WATCH nasser eat his post workout meal which was papaya and liquid whey protein on "Nasser on the way Part I"

[Bencher]

All the talk of local gym rats on huge doses reminds me of the line Vic Richards used in a seminar years ago.
Kinda pertains to genetics effect on how different guys react to drugs.
"You can give a chihuahua a ton of steroids, but he will never be a Great Dane!"

[Bencher]

I have no clue where you are going with this Bracewell, but I know you can WATCH nasser eat his post workout meal which was papaya and liquid whey protein on "Nasser on the way Part I"

Think he is just stating that guys say all kindsa shit that isnt the truth.

[5 Grams year round baby]

Who cares what some use honestly, if some gotta abuse to be the best then thats what it takes to make up for their shitty genetics... Is it there fault for having bad genetics? NO, so take more drugs to fix the problem and make the best of what you got. If some only need 1 gram to reach an IFBB pro physique then woopdee doo, you have better genetics then some, so fuckin what?? Some of yous make it seem like the people with bad genetics dont deserve a chance to try to make it as far as they can, and if this requires more drugs why does that mean you have to call them out like its the end of the world??

[axioma]

All the talk of local gym rats on huge doses reminds me of the line Vic Richards used in a seminar years ago.
Kinda pertains to genetics effect on how different guys react to drugs.
"You can give a chihuahua a ton of steroids, but he will never be a Great Dane!"

^^Word

[Triple-H_2005]

We have Lee priest saying he takes 1 amp of parabolin 3x a week with some deca

Great point.

As you're implying, anyone with a brain knows that's bullshit.

If he can get huge on such small amounts, why can't he "afford" to compete?

He's been telling that lie for so long, that he'll have to continue that forever!

[barbellman]

Great point.

As you're implying, anyone with a brain knows that's bullshit.

If he can get huge on such small amounts, why can't he "afford" to compete?

He's been telling that lie for so long, that he'll have to continue that forever!


LIAR PRIEST

Yea

I still don't see the point of lying saying you use MORE then you actually do. I'd say you just told the world you have piss poor genetics and use drugs to make up the difference, little to gain from that scenario. But hey, what do I know, someones got to be battling it out for 15th place lol

[BigJD69]

Are we talking underground gear that's made in someone's house? or pharmagrade product? I couldn't imagine someone's body being able to handle that much gear...won't your organs (kidneys liver) stop working???

[Dre23]

I have no clue where you are going with this Bracewell, but I know you can WATCH nasser eat his post workout meal which was papaya and liquid whey protein on "Nasser on the way Part I"

You can also watch Jay Cutler take Cell-Tech...

[barbellman]

You can also watch Jay Cutler take Cell-Tech...

and that would be great if someone made the claim that he does not when there is in fact a video of him doing so

[Dre23]

and that would be great if someone made the claim that he does not when there is in fact a video of him doing so

Well it is pretty solid 'word' that Jay actually uses Isopure protein and not other muscletech products.

[barbellman]

Well it is pretty solid 'word' that Jay actually uses Isopure protein and not other muscletech products.


My point is, Bracewell made the claim Nasser was full of shit when he said he had fruit after a workout. There are at least 2 training videos both 2-3 hours long that show him no less then 6 times eating papaya and whey protein for his post workout meal ;)

[Ryan Bracewell]

My point is, Bracewell made the claim Nasser was full of shit when he said he had fruit after a workout. There are at least 2 training videos both 2-3 hours long that show him no less then 6 times eating papaya and whey protein for his post workout meal ;)

Yes and ronnie used NOxplode & Nitrix before each workout, and Syntha6 protein all the time....I mean it was on his video. It couldn't have been for advertising. And I'm sure Nasser, who is known for giving false information to people just to fuck with them, wouldn't tell people to eat a ton of papaya after workout just to fuck with them? Never, he's as honest as they come. Even Milos has commented on this.

[rinse]

Even though I still find that hard to believe, he is talking 10g total, not 10g Test plus all the other drugs....huge difference. Regardless both seem unbelievable to me, and if they are true the people are fucking idiots.



Just because someone says it, doesnt make it true. I hear all kinds of stories that are probably not true. I also have 100 customers at my store that benched 500lbs raw in high school....came straight from their mouth. ;)

Yes but lying about taking more steriods than you actually are when you're well known in your country(actually very well known) makes little to no sense. He actually said that he been doing it that way for the last 3 years at the time he made the statement. Not saying that he did these things a 100% but that's what he said and not in a joking kind of way.

[47ronin]

You can also watch Jay Cutler take Cell-Tech...

That's powdered anadrol.

[Hydrofonix]

Jesus f! On 400mgs I was humping everything within arms reach. At what dosage do you just mutate into a giant penis??

[barbellman]

Yes and ronnie used NOxplode & Nitrix before each workout, and Syntha6 protein all the time....I mean it was on his video. It couldn't have been for advertising. And I'm sure Nasser, who is known for giving false information to people just to fuck with them, wouldn't tell people to eat a ton of papaya after workout just to fuck with them? Never, he's as honest as they come. Even Milos has commented on this.




OH COME THE FUCK ON BRACEWELL


Does Nasser own a little papaya fruit stand that he's PROFITING from for endorsing papaya so much LOL

You do realize papaya has several unique protein-digesting enzymes in it don't you? Maybe Lee Haney was lying about eating Pineapple post workout for its bromelain content also

MAYBE HE HAD A PINEAPPLE STAND TOO!

HOLY SHIT, MAYBE he had a super secret Jaquitta contract for all those bananas and pineapples

:no:

[Ryan Bracewell]

OH COME THE FUCK ON BRACEWELL


Does Nasser own a little papaya fruit stand that he's PROFITING from for endorsing papaya so much LOL

You do realize papaya has several unique protein-digesting enzymes in it don't you? Maybe Lee Haney was lying about eating Pineapple post workout for its bromelain content also

MAYBE HE HAD A PINEAPPLE STAND TOO!

HOLY SHIT, MAYBE he had a super secret Jaquitta contract for all those bananas and pineapples

:no:


First, wasn't saying he would profit off fucking papaya's. Im saying what you see in the videos isn't always true.

Second, He is known in the industry for being deceitful.

Third, I dont give a fuck what you think. Go eat a pound of papaya with 8 scoops of Syntha-6 for all I care.

[5 Grams year round baby]

I believe the person Dave was talking about in that quote WAS nasser.

[Young Gotti]

OH COME THE FUCK ON BRACEWELL


Does Nasser own a little papaya fruit stand that he's PROFITING from for endorsing papaya so much LOL

You do realize papaya has several unique protein-digesting enzymes in it don't you? Maybe Lee Haney was lying about eating Pineapple post workout for its bromelain content also

MAYBE HE HAD A PINEAPPLE STAND TOO!

HOLY SHIT, MAYBE he had a super secret Jaquitta contract for all those bananas and pineapples

:no:

mmm jacquita:yep:

[5 Grams year round baby]

Oh also wasn't levrone said to have been taking around 10 grams also?? That could explain why he went from like 280lbs(Correct me if im wrong on his weight) to 160 lbs of gross once he stopped the juice.

[peteacher]

i often up my normal coke zero consumption from 2 cans daily to as much as 3 or 4. 5 would be just insane.

[barbellman]

First, wasn't saying he would profit off fucking papaya's. Im saying what you see in the videos isn't always true.

Second, He is known in the industry for being deceitful.

Third, I dont give a fuck what you think. Go eat a pound of papaya with 8 scoops of Syntha-6 for all I care.


LOOK HERE BRACEWELL


I WILL FUCKING EAT PAPAYA ALL I GOD DAMN WANT AND WATCH NASSER VIDEOS IN MY UNDERWEAR

wait what...






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[caribeman]

My point is, Bracewell made the claim Nasser was full of shit when he said he had fruit after a workout. There are at least 2 training videos both 2-3 hours long that show him no less then 6 times eating papaya and whey protein for his post workout meal ;)

Dude you're like a "Nasser training video" stalker :)

[barbellman]

Dude you're like a "Nasser training video" stalker :)

Nasser actually got me interested in bodybuilding after his 99 AC win, I'm a powerlifter. I always thought bodybuilders were little beach muscle twinks, all show and no go.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

for every Lee Priest who claims small doses, we have guys like this. You will not believe this article because it is so insane

"The State of Competitive Bodybuilding

The Most Shocking Bodybuilding Interview Ever (IRONMAN, February '97)
by Steve Holman

Warning:This is an extremely controversial interview. To be honest, we almost decided not to print it; however, because IRONMAN has always been an open forum, going to great lengths to tell the whole truth, we felt it was our responsibility to the sport and to you, the reader, to allow this athlete to speak his mind

It took a lot of courage for this man to stand up and tell it like it is, and we are keeping him anonymous to protect his status as a professional bodybuilder. We're inserting [blanks] in place of names to help protect his identity-no process of elimination to narrow down the field-and also in place of drug names, so drug-using bodybuilders don't get any inadvertent "help" with their drug programs.

Keep in mind that we paid this man nothing because we feel money can only corrupt the information. When people are paid a high sum, they feel as if they have to give the interviewer his or her money's worth, and that can result in exaggeration.

As you read this, remember that this athlete came to us because, like us, he loves bodybuilding and wants to see it prosper, not die a painful drug-induced death.

Fasten your seatbelts. This dose of reality is going to open your eyes like nothing ever printed in this or any other bodybuilding magazine.

IM: You want to get some things off your chest. You have the bodybuilding world's ear. What is it you want to talk about?
BB: Well, you know, most of the things nobody wants to talk about. I want to let everybody know how it really is.

IM: How it is with the drugs?
BB: Damn right!

IM: You're having to take too many, correct?
BB: Way too many, man.

IM: What kind of drug bill are we talking about?
BB: Well, growth hormone alone costs you $30,000 a year.

IM: Good lord!
BB: And steroids, that's not a really big problem. I use a lot, but you can get it cheap. Mostly you gotta pay people to tell you how to use them. The growth hormone, IGF-IÉ.

IM: And just the thought of putting all that in your body all at one time-that's gotta take its toll on you mentally too.
BB: Well, I don't mind a little bit, because I do like big arms, big back, big chest and legs and everything. But when it comes to the point where I'm as big as I want to get-

IM: They tell you that you have to get bigger, right?
BB: Yeah, I don't have a choice. I'm gonna be bigger. Next year you're going to see me 24 pounds heavier.You know it's the whole mind-set that you gotta get bigger and sacrifice your shape. I may not like the way my back looks. I mean, I've got improvements to make, obviously. But those things come with time. Maturing into a physique is nice, but they want a monster.

IM: Do you think it can ever stop? I mean, if people keep getting bigger, what's going to happen to the sport?
BB: Well, the sport is already-

IM: Out of control?
BB: Yeah. It's an underground sport. It's [a cult that] likes to see the freaky mass monsters....They really don't care. They just say, Whatever it takes to do that, that's what we want to see. But I think a lot of people want to see something that's somewhat attainable.

IM: Do you think the size of the competitors has caused the people to be a little blast about it all? Like: Well, they're just going to have to do what it takes. We don't care; if they die, they die. We want to see 'em bigger, and we want to see 'em better.
BB: That's right. They want us to do it, and the judges want to see something bigger. In order for us to make a living and live our dreams, we gotta do whatever it takes, you know? You got guys like [blank, a bodybuilding columnist for another magazine] saying, "Well, nobody's making you." I guess nobody is, but a lot of us [have] this dream of being the best of the built.

IM: Absolutely. And it's a performance thing too. It's gratifying to be on stage. What do you think is a solution here? Do you think there is one at this point?
BB: Well, it's hard to say. Once you've seen extreme physique development, how are you going to train the eye of the audience to accept something less? You can practically see [some of these guys'] lungs when they do rear lat spreads. You just gotta accept something less. By the way, before I go on, let me tell you right now, there's a lot of things in your hands.

IM: I understand. Your identity is completely confidential, I promise you that. We'll just say you're a top pro. That's all.
BB: Right. Okay. Ask anything.

IM: Do you think part of the solution is for the judges to start rewarding a more aesthetic physique?
BB: That would be the only way the sport would go into a positive direction. Like Bob Paris.

IM: Right, if Bob Paris came back. I think the problem is you have to have an eye for that type of physique, and the general public and most bodybuilding fans don't have it, so they look at size as the top criterion for victory.
BB: I think there's a certain presence, an aura to a really complete physique like Lee Labrada's, rather than someone who's just grotesque.

IM: Getting back to the whole drug thing, do you have to stay on the drugs year-round?
BB: Yes. I haven't gone off at all for years.

IM: You have to inject, what, three to four times a week?
BB: Every day.

IM: Every day you have to inject something into your body?
BB: Yeah. Every day. Let me go over my stack.[He rattles off a list of injectibles and orals that's so long, my jaw hits the desk.]

IM: This is just off-season?
BB: Yeah. And of course I like to use [blank] that blocks estrogen and also increases testosterone levels. Also [blank] four times a day in the off-season to allow me to eat more calories. I also take half a tablet of [blank], which works better synergistically with growth hormone. Six weeks or so out I start taking some [blank] to stop some of the gyno. I did have to have it removed a few years back, but it kind of flares up now and then.And I use [blank] to take some of the water out. And [every so often] I switch from the heavy androgens to the lighter anabolics, like [blank and blank], 300 milligrams every other day. Let's see, [blank], 200 milligrams a day. That helps you harden up your physique, increase your vascularity. I take some [blank], which helps me harden, and I keep my insulin the same and my growth hormone the same.

IM: Whew! Quite a laundry list!
BB: Well, you know there's also many other things, like [blank], which keeps my gonadal system up and [blank] to boost my testosteone to make sure I don't atrophy down there. Also, anti-estrogens and other compound factors to combat the many side effects that I get.

IM: Have you ever noticed any serious health problems that you think are related to this?
BB: I piss a lot of blood come contest time.

IM: But in the off-season you feel pretty decent, even though you're taking all that stuff?
BB: Well, recently I started getting blood tests every two months.

IM: How about cholesterol count, blood pressure and so forth? All that's pretty normal?
BB: No, everything is high. My blood pressure gets really high, and that must be watched, especially when I take stimulants.

IM: It sounds as if you're on pins and needles a lot of the time.
BB: If you gotta do it, you got no choice. You want to make a living in this sport, that's what you gotta do.

IM: Race cars keep going faster and faster and there are more crashes, but the drivers keep doing it, right? What do you think your total drug bill is for the year?
BB: About $60,000, but it's going to be higher next year. Just this last year I had to add [blank]. Right now it's the number-one bodybuilding "supplement" in the competition ring. All these guys you see getting bigger, it's that. No question. Two years ago...I don't want to take nothing from [blank], really nice guy, nice family man, but physiquewise he was flat as a pancake. Now he's bigger, 20 to 30 pounds heavier. It's all [from this stuff]. [Blank] is heavy on it. Of course, we all are. I'm scared shitless.

IM: Are you guys pretty frank with each other about what you're taking?
BB: Only with friends. I mean, I get questions in the gym all the time, and I tell them I take [a popular protein powder]! Yeah, we talk.

IM: You don't feel you need to keep secrets and maintain an edge?
BB: There are no secrets. There's one guy out there-I won't mention his name-he's a top pro who helps out the other pros with their [blank] 'cause we don't know how to do it, so we go to him. He helps us out.

IM: I know the old-timers say there's no camaraderie in the sport anymore.
BB: Oh, there's some. But the only thing we talk about is-

IM: Drugs and training.
BB: We don't talk about training, because most of the guys-

IM: All train alike?
BB: Well, yeah. We don't train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half asleep when they [work out].

IM: So it's mostly just the drugs. The top guys really don't have an inkling how to train without them. Do you think most of the top 10 guys are taking pretty much the same thing then?
BB: Yeah, they're all jabbing themselves just as much, but I think [winning] has to do with your estrogen levels and your normal testosterone levels, your receptor abilities and things like that. You know, it's a genetic thing. Some people are more susceptible to steroids. Five milligrams might hit me differently than it might hit you.

IM: I asked you this earlier, and I know you said you think that it's just all part of the game, but aren't you afraid that this will catch up with you later in life?
BB: I am. I don't think I'll be able to have children. My doctor told me my sperm count is way too low. And my thyroid [is blown out].

IM: Do you feel that the sport indirectly promotes the whole drug thing?
BB: Yeah, but then you have people saying that nobody makes us. But this is our childhood dream. This is something we want to do, and for the most part we don't have other jobs.

IM: Do you think this drug test they had at the Olympia was a step in the right direction?
BB: It was a step in the right direction for the sport and probably a step in the wrong direction for people's careers because I know four people who [should have] tested positive. But we can beat the drug tests. Next year if they want to get diuretics, that's fine. We'll use plasmics. It's fairly simple. There's always exotic steroids."Let's change some molecule on the 17th position, and it can't be detected." [Blank] still can't be detected.

IM: This is the most eye-opening interview I've ever had. I appreciate your opening up to me.
BB: You're welcome. It could be because I'm very low on carbohydrates.

IM: And you're pissed off.
BB: Yeah, you know the diuretic scene is very difficult. I'm back there with my I.V. bag and heart monitor. It's just the situation. You take a person and put him into a lab in a freak science experiment. Then you throw him on stage, and you take him off to pump blood back into him. Is that a sport?The training is pretty much beaten to death. In fact, your magazine for the natural athletes is what I recommend. Professional bodybuilding [is about] drugs. Of course, there's abuse in every professional sport-boxing, basketball, baseball, football.

IM: How long do you think you can keep at it? I mean at this pace?
BB: Well I've been on forÉoh God. I'll tell you right now, if anybody's going to die next, it's going to be [blank]. He's too old to be messing with [junk] like that. His pancreas I don't think is too good.There's a look that you get. I can see it. [Blank, a top pro] is very ill. I understand what he wants to do for the sport, and he can do some great things, but he's dying and every contest he loses is a blow to him. He's killing himself literally because he wants to make this sport better. Eventually he's either going to win the contest or he's going to die.

IM: He's really playing Russian roulette?
BB: Yeah, he was using [blank] before any of us. I prefer his look back [a few years]. He wasn't big but aesthetic-a pleasing physique. Something a kid would look at and say, Hey, I would like to look like that. Now he should be concentrating more on certain bodyparts, but instead his body is getting bigger, his stomach, his head, everything.

IM: It's a scary look. Yes, the body's getting bigger, but all the internal organs are getting large, bloated.
BB: They should have a contest for the biggest growth-hormone gut.

IM: Got anything else you want to get off your chest?
BB: Yeah, you know I have a hard time thinking because of all the things I'm on now. But they don't talk about how much drug [abuse] there is. And it's not just the steroids. We've got to use speed and stuff like that. We have to use a lot of diuretics, things that aren't too healthy, and they don't feel good. Lots of guys are using cocaine-not just because they like it, but it helps you get cut up, it helps you not eat.With drugs there's use and abuse. But at our level I feel we're getting exploited, you know? They pump us full of drugs...or we pump ourselves full of drugs to make ourselves look like freaks, and we get on stage and that's our job. But we don't get paid hardly anything. The guy who uses our pictures, the supplement companies, make all the money, and they don't give us nothing. If it wasn't for our picture, they wouldn't have nothing to promote.

IM: Yeah, and you gotta keep risking your life to try to make a few bucks winning a show.
BB: I'll tell you what: [Some] of the guys, like [blank], are gay prostitutes.

IM: Think so?
BB: I know so. That's how they can afford all those drugs. That's definite. Of course [certain people in] the gay community are going to walk up and say, Hey, we'll give you so much to have sex. That's just like a straight guy walking up to Cindy Crawford and saying it. But for us it's a way to make a good $10,000 a month. It helps with our drug bill and sometimes they just give us drugs for the act.

IM: When you think about it, you guys can't make much money.
BB: There's not much money in the contracts. Especially with the drugs, the living, the food. You have to sacrifice your-

IM: Integrity?
BB: Yeah, your integrity, your pride. It's all a sacrifice. The drugs, the prostitution. These guys don't want to do that. They have to look in the mirror. They know they're sacrificing what makes them a man.And all this crap you see about carb loading and sodium. Bunch of shit.

IM: So you don't think they actually do sodium loading? It's all just drugs?
BB: Precontest every once in a while you catch a guy in McDonald's or eating pizza. You can do that kind of thing-of course, in moderation.

IM: But you're a pretty heavy supplement user?
BB: I don't use supplements at all! No vitamins, nothing.IM: You don't think that vitamins and minerals would help protect you somewhat from all the drugs?BB: Yeah, but-

IM: You've got put your money where it's going to be the most effective, right? On drugs.
BB: Right. I'd like to see a $1 million prize [for a bodybuilding contest]. That's something else that would help the sport. If there's a decent amount of money in there, it would be something people would watch. Unfortunately, I think people want to see the freaks at this point. Really big mothers up there. It's like you said, you really can't go backwards. I guess you have to let [it] self-destruct and see what happens.

IM: I don't want to see any of you guys die.
BB: We will. I guarantee you. You're going to see lots of guys dying in the next few years.

IM: I hope the drug test is a step in the right direction, and maybe they'll start judging for more aesthetic physiques. If they did backtrack to more of the Bob Paris look, I think it would help.
BB: Is that ever going to happen?IM: How much longer do you think you're going to go on with it?BB: Till I reach my goal. Or it beats me.

IM: Have you ever experienced any kind of depression or rage?
BB: Oh, yeah. Beaten many peopleÉgot out of hand. I feel bad about that.

IM: Having all that coursing through your system has to do something to you mentally.
BB: Well, besides that, you feel a lump here, and you feel scared, and you don't know what's going on.

IM: Do you get checked by a doctor regularly?
BB: I get the blood tests, and he reads it. It's foreign to me. I just ask how much longer do I have to live, what am I doing wrong?

IM: But he doesn't do any MRIs on you? It's just basically a blood test?
BB: No. He checks my thyroid, sperm count. Of course, I'm never going to be able to have children.

IM: Perhaps some of this will reverse itself once you-
BB: No, I have irreversible damage.

IM: That's really sad.
BB: I think it happened last year. When I upped everything, I shut my thyroid down. And if I go off the [blank], I'm going to get fat. I'm going to stay on the stuff permanently. If I go off, I'm going to rebound. None of these guys go off. It's just nonstop. These guys do what it takes.Don't you see that they're exploiting us? They're selling us. They're pumping us up, putting us on stage, throwing us off, and they're collecting the money. And we're back there rolling around in death.In the process they will make money. Sell ourselves. Sell our souls, and we don't get much. And even if you take the drugs, it's no guarantee you're going to win. You have to have something going on there. But [the people who run this sport] say, Keep it going, keep it going. And watch their wallets getting bigger. They don't care.

IM: But you did say looking like that helps you with women?
BB: That makes it a little worthwhile, but I never had any problem with the bitches. I got plenty before. Now I'm bigger, so I get a lot more. But you also get the bad-that includes harassment from the homos.I want to say for the guys who want to take their physiques to a [higher level], weight training, eating right and exercising will help you achieve your goals. What's big to you may be small compared to a pro, but like I said, Lee Labrada will look huge to a lot of guys. So you can attain your goals, get bigger, get better with the women, look good. You may not win Mr. Olympia, but you can still have something to be proud of [without the drugs].[Competitive bodybuilding, for the most part] is all chemistry. It's chemical warfare. Andreas Munzer had something we never had. All those striations and [blank] drugs, but look what it did to him. He died by the sword. And [blank] pocketed everything Andreas ever did.We have to deal with the rat race and the counterfeit steroids. All these guys saying, Yeah, I fell down and broke my arm. That's not true. That's the dealer breaking their arms because they didn't pay for their shipment of growth hormone.

IM: You say you go to Mexico for a lot of this stuff?
BB: Yeah, I go to Mexico. The European tour is where most of us get our drugs.[Switches subjects again] You don't need drug testing. Just a Lee Labrada. It didn't take a ton [of drugs] to do that. Pick that, and there you go. All the other guys will have to trim down to look like that.

IM: Go for the aesthetic physique. That's one of the big steps they have to take. By the way, isn't there a drug that you can inject directly into the muscle to blow it up?
BB: Oh, yeah, [blank]. Use that for my peak on my biceps. [Blank] uses it everywhere-80 to 100 shots. Tell you right now it hurts like hell. But it's hard to predict. It may look good five days before the show, then it lumps out and you'll get guys with the real lumpy, weird-looking biceps.This whole sport is about being a bitch. You gotta be a bitch to pay your bills. You gotta be a bitch to win. That's what it's all about. Total exploitation. I'd like the athletes to make a little more money. All these magazines talk about how much Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson make. They don't talk about how much we make, 'cause it's disgraceful. What am I going to do? Sell pictures of myself?

IM: Do a lot of the guys sell drugs on the side?
BB: Oh, yeah. I've done that myself. Now it's a lot harder.

IM: So what else? Is there's anything you can think of that you're really pissed off about.
BB: Well, I'm pissed off that we have to use this amount of drugs. I was happier with my physique last year. [They want us] in the 270-pound range.

IM: Don't you think the magazines are a little at fault too?
BB: Yeah, they are. They don't print nothing about the drug regimen. They're selling fake dreams to kids: Take this protein powder, and you're going to look like that. And it ain't true. Drugs play a predominant role, and most of the [champions'] training articles lead to overtraining. You know that. And unless you're on steroids, you're going to end up unhappy and lose your dream.

IM: I guess it's a vicious cycle.
BB: The insulin's very dangerous. I'm feeling it right now. I'm getting real tired, headaches, weakness. I breathe hard. Not a good drug to take.

IM: What's the danger with the insulin? It's a hormone, so what's the big problem?
BB: You can die right there. I mean, there isn't one of us who hasn't been in shock. You really don't know.

IM: Have you ever had to go to the hospital because of it?
BB: I've been in the hospital a few times, yeah. They had to use half a bag of glucose intravenously to keep me going. I didn't have any glucose in my liver, because I did too much insulin. My brain was starved, and I was beginning to fall asleep, go into a coma. It's the most painful feeling you'll ever feel. During that time your mind's going nuts.What am I getting out of all this? A cover picture? That won't pay the bills. Maybe they should start giving back to the athletes instead of taking. If they're gonna make it where we have to be bigger, we should get something out of it. Golfers make more money than we do. I saw how much they make at these rodeos too. They collect $50,000 for riding some damn bull. They don't have to take drugs to do that.

IM: The danger's there for eight seconds, then they're out of there. You guys have danger all year long.
BB: Yeah it's dangerous.

IM: To say the least."

[bigjavs]

First, wasn't saying he would profit off fucking papaya's. Im saying what you see in the videos isn't always true.

Second, He is known in the industry for being deceitful.

Third, I dont give a fuck what you think. Go eat a pound of papaya with 8 scoops of Syntha-6 for all I care.

Hey man, don't shit on my PWO meal!!!!:mad:

[AlphaMaleDawg]

also, since Nasser is being brought up a lot, here is an interview with him

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson329.htm

I believe there is some truth to this interview

[Taylor Normandeau]

I believe a great body can be built without the crazy insulin abuse. Just train harder and shoot more gear, fuck.

[BigJD69]

for every Lee Priest who claims small doses, we have guys like this. You will not believe this article because it is so insane

"The State of Competitive Bodybuilding

The Most Shocking Bodybuilding Interview Ever (IRONMAN, February '97)
by Steve Holman

Warning:This is an extremely controversial interview. To be honest, we almost decided not to print it; however, because IRONMAN has always been an open forum, going to great lengths to tell the whole truth, we felt it was our responsibility to the sport and to you, the reader, to allow this athlete to speak his mind

It took a lot of courage for this man to stand up and tell it like it is, and we are keeping him anonymous to protect his status as a professional bodybuilder. We're inserting [blanks] in place of names to help protect his identity-no process of elimination to narrow down the field-and also in place of drug names, so drug-using bodybuilders don't get any inadvertent "help" with their drug programs.

Keep in mind that we paid this man nothing because we feel money can only corrupt the information. When people are paid a high sum, they feel as if they have to give the interviewer his or her money's worth, and that can result in exaggeration.

As you read this, remember that this athlete came to us because, like us, he loves bodybuilding and wants to see it prosper, not die a painful drug-induced death.

Fasten your seatbelts. This dose of reality is going to open your eyes like nothing ever printed in this or any other bodybuilding magazine.

IM: You want to get some things off your chest. You have the bodybuilding world's ear. What is it you want to talk about?
BB: Well, you know, most of the things nobody wants to talk about. I want to let everybody know how it really is.

IM: How it is with the drugs?
BB: Damn right!

IM: You're having to take too many, correct?
BB: Way too many, man.

IM: What kind of drug bill are we talking about?
BB: Well, growth hormone alone costs you $30,000 a year.

IM: Good lord!
BB: And steroids, that's not a really big problem. I use a lot, but you can get it cheap. Mostly you gotta pay people to tell you how to use them. The growth hormone, IGF-IÉ.

IM: And just the thought of putting all that in your body all at one time-that's gotta take its toll on you mentally too.
BB: Well, I don't mind a little bit, because I do like big arms, big back, big chest and legs and everything. But when it comes to the point where I'm as big as I want to get-

IM: They tell you that you have to get bigger, right?
BB: Yeah, I don't have a choice. I'm gonna be bigger. Next year you're going to see me 24 pounds heavier.You know it's the whole mind-set that you gotta get bigger and sacrifice your shape. I may not like the way my back looks. I mean, I've got improvements to make, obviously. But those things come with time. Maturing into a physique is nice, but they want a monster.

IM: Do you think it can ever stop? I mean, if people keep getting bigger, what's going to happen to the sport?
BB: Well, the sport is already-

IM: Out of control?
BB: Yeah. It's an underground sport. It's [a cult that] likes to see the freaky mass monsters....They really don't care. They just say, Whatever it takes to do that, that's what we want to see. But I think a lot of people want to see something that's somewhat attainable.

IM: Do you think the size of the competitors has caused the people to be a little blast about it all? Like: Well, they're just going to have to do what it takes. We don't care; if they die, they die. We want to see 'em bigger, and we want to see 'em better.
BB: That's right. They want us to do it, and the judges want to see something bigger. In order for us to make a living and live our dreams, we gotta do whatever it takes, you know? You got guys like [blank, a bodybuilding columnist for another magazine] saying, "Well, nobody's making you." I guess nobody is, but a lot of us [have] this dream of being the best of the built.

IM: Absolutely. And it's a performance thing too. It's gratifying to be on stage. What do you think is a solution here? Do you think there is one at this point?
BB: Well, it's hard to say. Once you've seen extreme physique development, how are you going to train the eye of the audience to accept something less? You can practically see [some of these guys'] lungs when they do rear lat spreads. You just gotta accept something less. By the way, before I go on, let me tell you right now, there's a lot of things in your hands.

IM: I understand. Your identity is completely confidential, I promise you that. We'll just say you're a top pro. That's all.
BB: Right. Okay. Ask anything.

IM: Do you think part of the solution is for the judges to start rewarding a more aesthetic physique?
BB: That would be the only way the sport would go into a positive direction. Like Bob Paris.

IM: Right, if Bob Paris came back. I think the problem is you have to have an eye for that type of physique, and the general public and most bodybuilding fans don't have it, so they look at size as the top criterion for victory.
BB: I think there's a certain presence, an aura to a really complete physique like Lee Labrada's, rather than someone who's just grotesque.

IM: Getting back to the whole drug thing, do you have to stay on the drugs year-round?
BB: Yes. I haven't gone off at all for years.

IM: You have to inject, what, three to four times a week?
BB: Every day.

IM: Every day you have to inject something into your body?
BB: Yeah. Every day. Let me go over my stack.[He rattles off a list of injectibles and orals that's so long, my jaw hits the desk.]

IM: This is just off-season?
BB: Yeah. And of course I like to use [blank] that blocks estrogen and also increases testosterone levels. Also [blank] four times a day in the off-season to allow me to eat more calories. I also take half a tablet of [blank], which works better synergistically with growth hormone. Six weeks or so out I start taking some [blank] to stop some of the gyno. I did have to have it removed a few years back, but it kind of flares up now and then.And I use [blank] to take some of the water out. And [every so often] I switch from the heavy androgens to the lighter anabolics, like [blank and blank], 300 milligrams every other day. Let's see, [blank], 200 milligrams a day. That helps you harden up your physique, increase your vascularity. I take some [blank], which helps me harden, and I keep my insulin the same and my growth hormone the same.

IM: Whew! Quite a laundry list!
BB: Well, you know there's also many other things, like [blank], which keeps my gonadal system up and [blank] to boost my testosteone to make sure I don't atrophy down there. Also, anti-estrogens and other compound factors to combat the many side effects that I get.

IM: Have you ever noticed any serious health problems that you think are related to this?
BB: I piss a lot of blood come contest time.

IM: But in the off-season you feel pretty decent, even though you're taking all that stuff?
BB: Well, recently I started getting blood tests every two months.

IM: How about cholesterol count, blood pressure and so forth? All that's pretty normal?
BB: No, everything is high. My blood pressure gets really high, and that must be watched, especially when I take stimulants.

IM: It sounds as if you're on pins and needles a lot of the time.
BB: If you gotta do it, you got no choice. You want to make a living in this sport, that's what you gotta do.

IM: Race cars keep going faster and faster and there are more crashes, but the drivers keep doing it, right? What do you think your total drug bill is for the year?
BB: About $60,000, but it's going to be higher next year. Just this last year I had to add [blank]. Right now it's the number-one bodybuilding "supplement" in the competition ring. All these guys you see getting bigger, it's that. No question. Two years ago...I don't want to take nothing from [blank], really nice guy, nice family man, but physiquewise he was flat as a pancake. Now he's bigger, 20 to 30 pounds heavier. It's all [from this stuff]. [Blank] is heavy on it. Of course, we all are. I'm scared shitless.

IM: Are you guys pretty frank with each other about what you're taking?
BB: Only with friends. I mean, I get questions in the gym all the time, and I tell them I take [a popular protein powder]! Yeah, we talk.

IM: You don't feel you need to keep secrets and maintain an edge?
BB: There are no secrets. There's one guy out there-I won't mention his name-he's a top pro who helps out the other pros with their [blank] 'cause we don't know how to do it, so we go to him. He helps us out.

IM: I know the old-timers say there's no camaraderie in the sport anymore.
BB: Oh, there's some. But the only thing we talk about is-

IM: Drugs and training.
BB: We don't talk about training, because most of the guys-

IM: All train alike?
BB: Well, yeah. We don't train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half asleep when they [work out].

IM: So it's mostly just the drugs. The top guys really don't have an inkling how to train without them. Do you think most of the top 10 guys are taking pretty much the same thing then?
BB: Yeah, they're all jabbing themselves just as much, but I think [winning] has to do with your estrogen levels and your normal testosterone levels, your receptor abilities and things like that. You know, it's a genetic thing. Some people are more susceptible to steroids. Five milligrams might hit me differently than it might hit you.

IM: I asked you this earlier, and I know you said you think that it's just all part of the game, but aren't you afraid that this will catch up with you later in life?
BB: I am. I don't think I'll be able to have children. My doctor told me my sperm count is way too low. And my thyroid [is blown out].

IM: Do you feel that the sport indirectly promotes the whole drug thing?
BB: Yeah, but then you have people saying that nobody makes us. But this is our childhood dream. This is something we want to do, and for the most part we don't have other jobs.

IM: Do you think this drug test they had at the Olympia was a step in the right direction?
BB: It was a step in the right direction for the sport and probably a step in the wrong direction for people's careers because I know four people who [should have] tested positive. But we can beat the drug tests. Next year if they want to get diuretics, that's fine. We'll use plasmics. It's fairly simple. There's always exotic steroids."Let's change some molecule on the 17th position, and it can't be detected." [Blank] still can't be detected.

IM: This is the most eye-opening interview I've ever had. I appreciate your opening up to me.
BB: You're welcome. It could be because I'm very low on carbohydrates.

IM: And you're pissed off.
BB: Yeah, you know the diuretic scene is very difficult. I'm back there with my I.V. bag and heart monitor. It's just the situation. You take a person and put him into a lab in a freak science experiment. Then you throw him on stage, and you take him off to pump blood back into him. Is that a sport?The training is pretty much beaten to death. In fact, your magazine for the natural athletes is what I recommend. Professional bodybuilding [is about] drugs. Of course, there's abuse in every professional sport-boxing, basketball, baseball, football.

IM: How long do you think you can keep at it? I mean at this pace?
BB: Well I've been on forÉoh God. I'll tell you right now, if anybody's going to die next, it's going to be [blank]. He's too old to be messing with [junk] like that. His pancreas I don't think is too good.There's a look that you get. I can see it. [Blank, a top pro] is very ill. I understand what he wants to do for the sport, and he can do some great things, but he's dying and every contest he loses is a blow to him. He's killing himself literally because he wants to make this sport better. Eventually he's either going to win the contest or he's going to die.

IM: He's really playing Russian roulette?
BB: Yeah, he was using [blank] before any of us. I prefer his look back [a few years]. He wasn't big but aesthetic-a pleasing physique. Something a kid would look at and say, Hey, I would like to look like that. Now he should be concentrating more on certain bodyparts, but instead his body is getting bigger, his stomach, his head, everything.

IM: It's a scary look. Yes, the body's getting bigger, but all the internal organs are getting large, bloated.
BB: They should have a contest for the biggest growth-hormone gut.

IM: Got anything else you want to get off your chest?
BB: Yeah, you know I have a hard time thinking because of all the things I'm on now. But they don't talk about how much drug [abuse] there is. And it's not just the steroids. We've got to use speed and stuff like that. We have to use a lot of diuretics, things that aren't too healthy, and they don't feel good. Lots of guys are using cocaine-not just because they like it, but it helps you get cut up, it helps you not eat.With drugs there's use and abuse. But at our level I feel we're getting exploited, you know? They pump us full of drugs...or we pump ourselves full of drugs to make ourselves look like freaks, and we get on stage and that's our job. But we don't get paid hardly anything. The guy who uses our pictures, the supplement companies, make all the money, and they don't give us nothing. If it wasn't for our picture, they wouldn't have nothing to promote.

IM: Yeah, and you gotta keep risking your life to try to make a few bucks winning a show.
BB: I'll tell you what: [Some] of the guys, like [blank], are gay prostitutes.

IM: Think so?
BB: I know so. That's how they can afford all those drugs. That's definite. Of course [certain people in] the gay community are going to walk up and say, Hey, we'll give you so much to have sex. That's just like a straight guy walking up to Cindy Crawford and saying it. But for us it's a way to make a good $10,000 a month. It helps with our drug bill and sometimes they just give us drugs for the act.

IM: When you think about it, you guys can't make much money.
BB: There's not much money in the contracts. Especially with the drugs, the living, the food. You have to sacrifice your-

IM: Integrity?
BB: Yeah, your integrity, your pride. It's all a sacrifice. The drugs, the prostitution. These guys don't want to do that. They have to look in the mirror. They know they're sacrificing what makes them a man.And all this crap you see about carb loading and sodium. Bunch of shit.

IM: So you don't think they actually do sodium loading? It's all just drugs?
BB: Precontest every once in a while you catch a guy in McDonald's or eating pizza. You can do that kind of thing-of course, in moderation.

IM: But you're a pretty heavy supplement user?
BB: I don't use supplements at all! No vitamins, nothing.IM: You don't think that vitamins and minerals would help protect you somewhat from all the drugs?BB: Yeah, but-

IM: You've got put your money where it's going to be the most effective, right? On drugs.
BB: Right. I'd like to see a $1 million prize [for a bodybuilding contest]. That's something else that would help the sport. If there's a decent amount of money in there, it would be something people would watch. Unfortunately, I think people want to see the freaks at this point. Really big mothers up there. It's like you said, you really can't go backwards. I guess you have to let [it] self-destruct and see what happens.

IM: I don't want to see any of you guys die.
BB: We will. I guarantee you. You're going to see lots of guys dying in the next few years.

IM: I hope the drug test is a step in the right direction, and maybe they'll start judging for more aesthetic physiques. If they did backtrack to more of the Bob Paris look, I think it would help.
BB: Is that ever going to happen?IM: How much longer do you think you're going to go on with it?BB: Till I reach my goal. Or it beats me.

IM: Have you ever experienced any kind of depression or rage?
BB: Oh, yeah. Beaten many peopleÉgot out of hand. I feel bad about that.

IM: Having all that coursing through your system has to do something to you mentally.
BB: Well, besides that, you feel a lump here, and you feel scared, and you don't know what's going on.

IM: Do you get checked by a doctor regularly?
BB: I get the blood tests, and he reads it. It's foreign to me. I just ask how much longer do I have to live, what am I doing wrong?

IM: But he doesn't do any MRIs on you? It's just basically a blood test?
BB: No. He checks my thyroid, sperm count. Of course, I'm never going to be able to have children.

IM: Perhaps some of this will reverse itself once you-
BB: No, I have irreversible damage.

IM: That's really sad.
BB: I think it happened last year. When I upped everything, I shut my thyroid down. And if I go off the [blank], I'm going to get fat. I'm going to stay on the stuff permanently. If I go off, I'm going to rebound. None of these guys go off. It's just nonstop. These guys do what it takes.Don't you see that they're exploiting us? They're selling us. They're pumping us up, putting us on stage, throwing us off, and they're collecting the money. And we're back there rolling around in death.In the process they will make money. Sell ourselves. Sell our souls, and we don't get much. And even if you take the drugs, it's no guarantee you're going to win. You have to have something going on there. But [the people who run this sport] say, Keep it going, keep it going. And watch their wallets getting bigger. They don't care.

IM: But you did say looking like that helps you with women?
BB: That makes it a little worthwhile, but I never had any problem with the bitches. I got plenty before. Now I'm bigger, so I get a lot more. But you also get the bad-that includes harassment from the homos.I want to say for the guys who want to take their physiques to a [higher level], weight training, eating right and exercising will help you achieve your goals. What's big to you may be small compared to a pro, but like I said, Lee Labrada will look huge to a lot of guys. So you can attain your goals, get bigger, get better with the women, look good. You may not win Mr. Olympia, but you can still have something to be proud of [without the drugs].[Competitive bodybuilding, for the most part] is all chemistry. It's chemical warfare. Andreas Munzer had something we never had. All those striations and [blank] drugs, but look what it did to him. He died by the sword. And [blank] pocketed everything Andreas ever did.We have to deal with the rat race and the counterfeit steroids. All these guys saying, Yeah, I fell down and broke my arm. That's not true. That's the dealer breaking their arms because they didn't pay for their shipment of growth hormone.

IM: You say you go to Mexico for a lot of this stuff?
BB: Yeah, I go to Mexico. The European tour is where most of us get our drugs.[Switches subjects again] You don't need drug testing. Just a Lee Labrada. It didn't take a ton [of drugs] to do that. Pick that, and there you go. All the other guys will have to trim down to look like that.

IM: Go for the aesthetic physique. That's one of the big steps they have to take. By the way, isn't there a drug that you can inject directly into the muscle to blow it up?
BB: Oh, yeah, [blank]. Use that for my peak on my biceps. [Blank] uses it everywhere-80 to 100 shots. Tell you right now it hurts like hell. But it's hard to predict. It may look good five days before the show, then it lumps out and you'll get guys with the real lumpy, weird-looking biceps.This whole sport is about being a bitch. You gotta be a bitch to pay your bills. You gotta be a bitch to win. That's what it's all about. Total exploitation. I'd like the athletes to make a little more money. All these magazines talk about how much Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson make. They don't talk about how much we make, 'cause it's disgraceful. What am I going to do? Sell pictures of myself?

IM: Do a lot of the guys sell drugs on the side?
BB: Oh, yeah. I've done that myself. Now it's a lot harder.

IM: So what else? Is there's anything you can think of that you're really pissed off about.
BB: Well, I'm pissed off that we have to use this amount of drugs. I was happier with my physique last year. [They want us] in the 270-pound range.

IM: Don't you think the magazines are a little at fault too?
BB: Yeah, they are. They don't print nothing about the drug regimen. They're selling fake dreams to kids: Take this protein powder, and you're going to look like that. And it ain't true. Drugs play a predominant role, and most of the [champions'] training articles lead to overtraining. You know that. And unless you're on steroids, you're going to end up unhappy and lose your dream.

IM: I guess it's a vicious cycle.
BB: The insulin's very dangerous. I'm feeling it right now. I'm getting real tired, headaches, weakness. I breathe hard. Not a good drug to take.

IM: What's the danger with the insulin? It's a hormone, so what's the big problem?
BB: You can die right there. I mean, there isn't one of us who hasn't been in shock. You really don't know.

IM: Have you ever had to go to the hospital because of it?
BB: I've been in the hospital a few times, yeah. They had to use half a bag of glucose intravenously to keep me going. I didn't have any glucose in my liver, because I did too much insulin. My brain was starved, and I was beginning to fall asleep, go into a coma. It's the most painful feeling you'll ever feel. During that time your mind's going nuts.What am I getting out of all this? A cover picture? That won't pay the bills. Maybe they should start giving back to the athletes instead of taking. If they're gonna make it where we have to be bigger, we should get something out of it. Golfers make more money than we do. I saw how much they make at these rodeos too. They collect $50,000 for riding some damn bull. They don't have to take drugs to do that.

IM: The danger's there for eight seconds, then they're out of there. You guys have danger all year long.
BB: Yeah it's dangerous.

IM: To say the least."

How do I get my hands on this "blank" stuff???

[jnickels]

I'm gonna call Ms Cleo later, she'll get to the bottom of this.....

Actually heard a friend has a friend that's a "reliable source" - what qualifies this guy as a reliable source, i dunno but i believe it's a pro from the midwest - anyway, the claim is Kai does 1500mg/test a DAY. no typo 7x1500=10500/wk...hmmmmmm

Personally these questions are entertaining but i doubt we'll ever get the 75% truth let along 100%...but then again does it really matter? Would you care how much silicone a porn-star has in her tits or would you rather sit back and watch her take one on the chin??

[5 Grams year round baby]

Would you care how much silicone a porn-star has in her tits or would you rather sit back and watch her take one on the chin??

Hahaha good one, reps!! :yep:

[barbellman]

I'm gonna call Ms Cleo later, she'll get to the bottom of this.....

Actually heard a friend has a friend that's a "reliable source" - what qualifies this guy as a reliable source, i dunno but i believe it's a pro from the midwest - anyway, the claim is Kai does 1500mg/test a DAY. no typo 7x1500=10500/wk...hmmmmmm

Personally these questions are entertaining but i doubt we'll ever get the 75% truth let along 100%...but then again does it really matter? Would you care how much silicone a porn-star has in her tits or would you rather sit back and watch her take one on the chin??



holy jesus

[Taylor Normandeau]

I've heard of people on forums claiming they were using between 700-1000 mgs of TREN per DAY, and also 1000 mg's of test per DAY.

You must have some shitty fucking genes to require that much gear.

[5 Grams year round baby]

I've heard of people on forums claiming they were using between 700-1000 mgs of TREN per DAY, and also 1000 mg's of test per DAY.

You must have some shitty fucking genes to require that much gear.

Sheesh a Gram of Tren a day is pretty insane, i wonder how it must feel!!
100mg EOD makes me feel like im invincible, strength gains and size gains through the roof. I can only imagine how a gram a day feels, must be when the magic happens.

[GottaGetLean]

Sheesh a Gram of Tren a day is pretty insane, i wonder how it must feel!!
100mg EOD makes me feel like im invincible, strength gains and size gains through the roof. I can only imagine how a gram a day feels, must be when the magic happens.

not magic, i think the correct word is death lol

[ypmm5]

Kovacs said NASSER was taking 10,000 MG of testanona(not including other drugs)

I have heard that several times in the past about Nasser.

[joe293]

also, since Nasser is being brought up a lot, here is an interview with him

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson329.htm

I believe there is some truth to this interview

Wow, Dave P. took some heavy bashing near the end of that interview !!!!

[joe293]

How do I get my hands on this "blank" stuff???

I was wondering why they even put the "Blanks" in? The interview was annoymous so who cares what compounds were claimed to be used.

[47ronin]

Doesn't sound like Nasser much less anyone else giving a real interview:
He is just a person you cannot take seriously because of his current life status and all the situations I have witnessed him in. I am not necessarily giving a response to his quacking like a duck most recently on the Getbig board, but I do see what I am about to tell you as more of an analysis, a description and specification of Milos's aka "DCM's" (Delusional Clown Milos's) personality.
I have known Milos since approximately the year 1985. We used to compete back then in the so-called "Former Yugoslavia" which is a country that does not exist anymore. It split into several smaller states. Anyways, the first time I met him, he approached me after the prejudging of a bodybuilding show there and asked me (without even introducing himself to me at all), "I have heard that you live in Germany, so are you taking "plenastril?" (Which was at that time the German version of Anadrol 50)
I felt kind of uncomfortable starting a conversation beginning with a drug question. And even before I could say something, he said, "You need not respond because I know you do."
I had a bad impression of him from the start. Another guy there who was also a competitor told me "Milos always likes to talk about drugs." And that "he was known for that in his village."
I think that I came in third in the heavyweight division in this national show. DCM was in the light heavyweight class, but I do not recall where he placed. I know only that he did not win. I continued competing in Germany where I was born but could not compete in the Nationals there because I was not a German citizen, despite the fact that I was born there (there is a different law compared to the US).
I frequently returned back to "Yugoslavia" for competition reasons and to visit relatives on my mother's side. Finally in 1988 and 1989 I won the Yugoslav Championships. A year later (in 1990) I gained my pro card and did my pro debut in Helsinki, Finland where I competed with guys like Ron Love (http://contest.bodybuilding.com/bio/614/), who I beat there in my very first pro show. Also competing there with me was Gary Strydom (http://contest.bodybuilding.com/bio/113/), Nimrod King (http://contest.bodybuilding.com/bio/640/), Danny Padilla (http://contest.bodybuilding.com/bio/720/), Samir Bannout (http://contest.bodybuilding.com/bio/616/) and Vince Comerford. I came in 8th place at my pro debut.
Milos somehow had "transferred" during this time frame from Yugoslavia to the US where he started to live without valid papers, just on a visitor's visa. He basically left socialistic Yugoslavia where people had two hours of electricity per day, milk powder instead of real milk (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Milk) and days where cars with regular licence plate numbers could drive on the street and the next day cars with irregular numbers were allowed to use these same streets.
Meat (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Meat) was very rare to obtain and if it could be bought the price was horrendous. There was a complete breakdown of the economic situation there for almost a decade before finally, in 1990, on top of this dark situation, a civil war broke out. The human disaster was complete. A couple of hundred thousand people got killed because of their ethnicity, even by their own former neighbors.

[MattyH7688]

lol everyone lies.

[47ronin]

lol everyone lies.

TRUE

Why not everyone post THEIR biggest cycle and if the results were worth the money

[MattyH7688]

TRUE

Why not everyone post THEIR biggest cycle and if the results were worth the money

I honestly think even most people would underestimate how much they ran so it doesnt look like the gear is doing the work.

Then you will have the anonymous idiots posting how they ran 6 grams of shit, who probably never even cycled before.

I caught that fucking terd Lee Priest lying in the same exact thread about his GH dose and fucktards still act like he is the super god of response to anabolics. That down syndrome midget couldn't even keep his story straight from his max dose of gh of 8ius or 4ius in the SAME thread. Seriously, I wish people would just shut the fuck up about their cycles if they arent going to be honest.. especially pros. Either don't talk about it or be completely open.. don't bullshit everyone by saying you run 500 mgs of test a week to get where you are when you are a walking pin cushion.

[5 Grams year round baby]

Sheesh this is really harsh on big ol jumbo palumbo, i wonder what dave has to say about this, kinda fucked up thing to say.

"David Palumbo aka Jumbo Palumbo aka the Acromeglion is a brilliant-minded drug expert in regard to all pharmaceuticals currently found on planet earth. But as much mental capacity as he has, he deluded himself into thinking he could beat alien genetics with an over-accumulation and infestation of his body with anabolics and an additional 999 different drugs. All these drugs could not in the end prevent the animalistic appearance of his body, and with progressing time, his transformation into an almost indestructible acromegliac body type.
Palumbo definitely originally amplified the size of his initially "Ethiopian starving look" of the 130 pounds he started out with as a running skeleton, to the Herculean size of a top Acromeglion.
His exodus from the amateur contest stage was barely regretted by anyone. By working primarily now for MD as a Super-Adaptoid his wait and see policy should result in permanent retirement as a former stage performer with a rhinoceros looking rear end, his mega duck-like flippers and his bone ending proliferations.
The times of trying to look like an Adonis with Herculean dimensions are over but the Acromeglion as the avant-garde of a new species embodies true new development in the wrong bodybuilding direction. But at least it must be commended for no longer deceiving itself by remaining a victim of its self-created phantom. The body of the Acromeglion should be stored and used for scientific research purposes at a later date."

[Taylor Normandeau]

Sheesh a Gram of Tren a day is pretty insane, i wonder how it must feel!!
100mg EOD makes me feel like im invincible, strength gains and size gains through the roof. I can only imagine how a gram a day feels, must be when the magic happens.

I don't even know if there is any point in taking anything even close to that, or if you just up the side effects greatly and increase your chance of death hahaha.

I was doing 100 mg of Tren ace ED awhile back and it was amazing, I don't think I would ever in my life bother taking any more than that or risk it.

People are fucked up, call me naive but I think the people doing the insane amounts of gear are just fucking lazy and stupid. I can see going up to 3 grams a week TOTAL, including everything, that and actually following a diet and training HARD (what most heavy abusers lack) will get you where you need to be.

[Taylor Normandeau]

Sheesh this is really harsh on big ol jumbo palumbo, i wonder what dave has to say about this, kinda fucked up thing to say.

"David Palumbo aka Jumbo Palumbo aka the Acromeglion is a brilliant-minded drug expert in regard to all pharmaceuticals currently found on planet earth. But as much mental capacity as he has, he deluded himself into thinking he could beat alien genetics with an over-accumulation and infestation of his body with anabolics and an additional 999 different drugs. All these drugs could not in the end prevent the animalistic appearance of his body, and with progressing time, his transformation into an almost indestructible acromegliac body type.
Palumbo definitely originally amplified the size of his initially "Ethiopian starving look" of the 130 pounds he started out with as a running skeleton, to the Herculean size of a top Acromeglion.
His exodus from the amateur contest stage was barely regretted by anyone. By working primarily now for MD as a Super-Adaptoid his wait and see policy should result in permanent retirement as a former stage performer with a rhinoceros looking rear end, his mega duck-like flippers and his bone ending proliferations.
The times of trying to look like an Adonis with Herculean dimensions are over but the Acromeglion as the avant-garde of a new species embodies true new development in the wrong bodybuilding direction. But at least it must be commended for no longer deceiving itself by remaining a victim of its self-created phantom. The body of the Acromeglion should be stored and used for scientific research purposes at a later date."


I honestly don't even understand what the fuck most of that means. Maybe I need to start reading more books...

[Taylor Normandeau]

I honestly think even most people would underestimate how much they ran so it doesnt look like the gear is doing the work.

Then you will have the anonymous idiots posting how they ran 6 grams of shit, who probably never even cycled before.

I caught that fucking terd Lee Priest lying in the same exact thread about his GH dose and fucktards still act like he is the super god of response to anabolics. That down syndrome midget couldn't even keep his story straight from his max dose of gh of 8ius or 4ius in the SAME thread. Seriously, I wish people would just shut the fuck up about their cycles if they arent going to be honest.. especially pros. Either don't talk about it or be completely open.. don't bullshit everyone by saying you run 500 mgs of test a week to get where you are when you are a walking pin cushion.

Lee Priest is also a dwarf, who is mad at the world for being born a permanant man-baby midget.

He would probably be the best BB of all time if he was 8 inches taller.

[47ronin]

Lee Priest is also a dwarf, who is mad at the world for being born a permanant man-baby midget.

He would probably be the best BB of all time if he was 8 inches taller.

And if an orangutan could tie a tie he'd be a guest on "The View"

[Taylor Normandeau]

And if an orangutan could tie a tie he'd be a guest on "The View"

He might even be president??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[peopleschamp11]

He might even be president??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Racist post - reported.

:p

[Taylor Normandeau]

Racist post - reported.

:p

:byeb: it's been nice. hahaha.

[jnickels]

I honestly don't even understand what the fuck most of that means. Maybe I need to start reading more books...

Dude i was thinking the same thing! I had to google a ton of those words. lol

[spude]

Dude i was thinking the same thing! I had to google a ton of those words. lol

c'mon guys! is english your first language? 'cos it's not mine and i have no trouble understanding this...i actually like reading it, well written...but then again, i used to read a lot of books as a child ;) not so much nowadays, i've become too lazy for it

[jnickels]

c'mon guys! is english your first language? 'cos it's not mine and i have no trouble understanding this...i actually like reading it, well written...but then again, i used to read a lot of books as a child ;) not so much nowadays, i've become too lazy for it

I'm not a retard, no. lol I grew up with more video games and sports to be honest. I can rattle off all the Mortal Kombat cheat codes and finishing move button combos. :no:

[chuck89gt5.0]

I have ran upwards of 2.5-3g total per week

[spude]

I'm not a retard, no. lol I grew up with more video games and sports to be honest. I can rattle off all the Mortal Kombat cheat codes and finishing move button combos. :no:

ok mate...didn't mean to respect...i was one serious book worm from age 7 to 12-13 i guess...actually i was always into sports too but videogames were never really my style, i always found them kinda childish and boring...or maybe i just wanted to impress people around me by pretending to be more way more adult than i actually was :dunno:

[Sieve]

ok mate...didn't mean to respect...i was one serious book worm from age 7 to 12-13 i guess...actually i was always into sports too but videogames were never really my style, i always found them kinda childish and boring...or maybe i just wanted to impress people around me by pretending to be more way more adult than i actually was :dunno:

Cool story bro

[mr intensity]

I have ran upwards of 2.5-3g total per week

that`s still believable...its on high end but u need to be very careful(put every thing in your arsenal to prevent sides).
but have you ever done 1.5 grams of test every day, what do you think about that?
did the guy (kai greene ) find any difference in muscle gains when he went from 500mg ed to 1500ed.....is this some kind of "eye of the tiger approach"...1500mg ed ---> frustration(not being able to break the wall while u keep banging your head on the wall)=stupidity

[Growin24/7]

those were some harsh words on that site about dave, yikes!

[BigJD69]

I met a training partner of Evan Centopani's at a wedding the Sunday after he won the Flex Show. He told me that Evan will do no more than 6iu's of HGH a day but according to him he takes a LOT of TEST!!! He wouldn't go into specifics as far as how much but TEST is KING!!!

[spude]

I met a training partner of Evan Centopani's at a wedding the Sunday after he won the Flex Show. He told me that Evan will do no more than 6iu's of HGH a day but according to him he takes a LOT of TEST!!! He wouldn't go into specifics as far as how much but TEST is KING!!!

:no:...6x6 is probably a lot nearer to the truth

[BigJD69]

^ no according to this guy Test is taken in abundance

[spude]

^ no according to this guy Test is taken in abundance

probably that too...but trust me, there's no current pro taking less than 20iu gh a day, it's fact that i cant prove, it just is what it is

[BigJD69]

^^ to make a statement that every pro takes no less than 20iu gh a day is IMO Ridiculous. I am sure that a good number of them do take a lot. But using Evan as an example his gut isn't out of control as of yet. Now if the judges tell him you gotta step up the mass maybe he may have to go up to those dosages!

[Widge]

ive never ran anything but enjoyed reading the last 2 pages XD

i take whey protein tho. :p

[MattM]

Best thing i read in that article was "Some people are more susceptible to steroids. Five milligrams might hit me differently than it might hit you."

[toxic Avenger]

LOOK HERE BRACEWELL


I WILL FUCKING EAT PAPAYA ALL I GOD DAMN WANT AND WATCH NASSER VIDEOS IN MY UNDERWEAR

wait what...






http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/anim_peep.gif
Fucking Nasser fag!

[joe293]

Even Dave said it recently on his HMR show. If a competitor was to run JUST Test into a show he would probably look the same as he would running one of the typical pre contest cocktails of Tren/Masteron/Test/Halotestin etc. etc.

[adpolice]

Even Dave said it recently on his HMR show. If a competitor was to run JUST Test into a show he would probably look the same as he would running one of the typical pre contest cocktails of Tren/Masteron/Test/Halotestin etc. etc.

This makes me wonder also many times...if you exept the androgenic/anabolic ratio and the aromatization factor aren't all aas work through the same pathways?Couldn't it be the same to just up the testosterone dose along with an a.i and throw in peptides like gh,igf1 and slin which work through different pathways and have the same results with less money..?:dunno:

[chuck89gt5.0]

that`s still believable...its on high end but u need to be very careful(put every thing in your arsenal to prevent sides).
but have you ever done 1.5 grams of test every day, what do you think about that?
did the guy (kai greene ) find any difference in muscle gains when he went from 500mg ed to 1500ed.....is this some kind of "eye of the tiger approach"...1500mg ed ---> frustration(not being able to break the wall while u keep banging your head on the wall)=stupidity



the most test i have used was 1500mg per week and i felt like a human furnace.....i couldnt imagine 1500mg EVERYDAY!

[SuperSnake]

Personally I've gone up to 2100mg test weekly. I felt fine on that much but my gains were less than what I thought they'd be.

But for me, I do much better on < 1g test, 10iu gh, 40mcg igf, and 3iu slin.

I know one of our olympia competitors does 3g test and cruises on 1g. His gh usage is in the range of 20-30iu daily. And this is straight from his mouth...not mine.

[barbellman]

Personally I've gone up to 2100mg test weekly. I felt fine on that much but my gains were less than what I thought they'd be.

But for me, I do much better on < 1g test, 10iu gh, 40mcg igf, and 3iu slin.

I know one of our olympia competitors does 3g test and cruises on 1g. His gh usage is in the range of 20-30iu daily. And this is straight from his mouth...not mine.


sounds about right

[spude]

Personally I've gone up to 2100mg test weekly. I felt fine on that much but my gains were less than what I thought they'd be.

But for me, I do much better on < 1g test, 10iu gh, 40mcg igf, and 3iu slin.

I know one of our olympia competitors does 3g test and cruises on 1g. His gh usage is in the range of 20-30iu daily. And this is straight from his mouth...not mine.

:yep:...spude approved

[joe293]

This makes me wonder also many times...if you exept the androgenic/anabolic ratio and the aromatization factor aren't all aas work through the same pathways?Couldn't it be the same to just up the testosterone dose along with an a.i and throw in peptides like gh,igf1 and slin which work through different pathways and have the same results with less money..?:dunno:

One of the BIGGEST members of RxMuscle (Swiper) has said many times that he has lived off Test and HGH for years. He'll cruise on 1000mg test a week with 5 iu's GH and then bump it up to 2250 mg Test @ 10 iu's GH. He swears by this simple combo. :)

[joe293]

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=26760&highlight=swiper

[Dre23]

One of the BIGGEST members of RxMuscle (Swiper) has said many times that he has lived off Test and HGH for years. He'll cruise on 1000mg test a week with 5 iu's GH and then bump it up to 2250 mg Test @ 10 iu's GH. He swears by this simple combo. :)


http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=26760&highlight=swiper

Excellent points there Joe. If anyone proves that you can just keep it simple it is Swiper.

[LIQUIDEX]

WTF is this.......nothing pretty about the pic below....average genetics suck

[MightyJohn]

I know a
-middleweight that takes 3500wk test...
-an IFBB Pro that took 2500mg test, 1200(deca or eq) & 4 abombs a day...thats like 5100/wk..he'd compete 219-224
-a friend that walks around 6'3 300 takes 3cc test/day(like the 5gram range)

[Secret]

I wonder how people can afford to use so much GH.

Personally, I've heard of an East European powerlifter who used 6000mg of test year round. He was a 340lb superheavyweight, though.
Probably most the most jaw-dropping overuse was by a rather monsterous 385lb powerlifter who would add 1000mg oral D-Bol to his cycle when getting ready for a contest.

[rinse]

Yes of course there a couple of crazy dbol dosages from back in the 80s. Top powerlifters downing 100 tabs a day before the meet. This has in some cases been confirmed by there training partners that are also well known profiles in powerlifting.

[Sieve]

:popcorn:

[adpolice]

One of the BIGGEST members of RxMuscle (Swiper) has said many times that he has lived off Test and HGH for years. He'll cruise on 1000mg test a week with 5 iu's GH and then bump it up to 2250 mg Test @ 10 iu's GH. He swears by this simple combo. :)

It makes sense...

[LIQUIDEX]

SWIPER has some crazy genetics, he doesn't even us AI's, that's indicative of good genetics, ur body is highly reactive to AAS.........for the first 6yrs the guy was only on 600mg of test/wk........

-LIQUIDEX-

[Bencher]

Just started last week on my highest doses. 1800mg week of test e and 300mg of tren a. Had to stop my oral use several months back to to BP issues. Before now I have been hanging round 500-750mg week test e and 50mg daily dbol. Loved the dbol but my insides didnt seem to.

[barbellman]

Just started last week on my highest doses. 1800mg week of test e and 300mg of tren a. Had to stop my oral use several months back to to BP issues. Before now I have been hanging round 500-750mg week test e and 50mg daily dbol. Loved the dbol but my insides didnt seem to.



what in the fuck

[BC123Jm]

what in the fuck

well if you cant grow on 500 test pw , fuck it, just tripple the dose.:dunno:

[Bencher]

Growing on it wasnt an issue. Started at bout 190lb and have gotten to 280lb at those doses. So, the increase is not about growing now, I have a meet coming up and I am interested in the increased doses ability to help me recover and strength gains. Now if the light hearted bashing would like to continue, go ahead :hugme:

[Bencher]

This info was on another thread that was recently removed. My results for muscle growth on the amounts I was taking were more then acceptable to myself. So no need to increase them. Now that I am getting back into strength training, which has been 9years since last meet, I am c'ng what the increased dose can do for me. When the meet is over, I will reevaluate my goals and adjust my doses accordingly. The increase will be for a total of 4 weeks.

[barbellman]

nobody is bashing you

we're wondering how the fuck you arrive on 1,800mg randomly from 500 lol

Do you use some equation I'm missing here?

[cook]

This info was on another thread that was recently removed. My results for muscle growth on the amounts I was taking were more then acceptable to myself. So no need to increase them. Now that I am getting back into strength training, which has been 9years since last meet, I am c'ng what the increased dose can do for me. When the meet is over, I will reevaluate my goals and adjust my doses accordingly. The increase will be for a total of 4 weeks.
Makes sense to me.Your meet is in two weeks what if you added anadrol for just the two weeks.Do you think you could control your blood pressure that long.I`m just asking because I have been away from this for a long time and I have some blood pressure issues myself.

[cook]

nobody is bashing you

we're wondering how the fuck you arrive on 1,800mg randomly from 500 lol

Do you use some equation I'm missing here?
Barbellman the last cycle I did was in 86.I trained with a buddy of mine in his garage.He said if I trained with him for this meet he would take care of all the gear.So he says we are going to take 600mg of test a week.I asked how did you come up with the number 600.He said because that`s how much fits into a syringe.

[Bencher]

Joking on the bashing. With recent emphasis on bashing thought it a timely statement.
Well on the equation question. Use to get 250mg enanthate, 2-3 cc week 500-750mg week. Now, 300mg test e, 3 2cc shots with 1 100mg tren a to fill syringe. Thats the extent of the equation. BP was running 170/130 with 2 BP meds being taken.

[s2h]

Joking on the bashing. With recent emphasis on bashing thought it a timely statement.
Well on the equation question. Use to get 250mg enanthate, 2-3 cc week 500-750mg week. Now, 300mg test e, 3 2cc shots with 1 100mg tren a to fill syringe. Thats the extent of the equation. BP was running 170/130 with 2 BP meds being taken.what bp meds were you on??

[adpolice]

SWIPER has some crazy genetics, he doesn't even us AI's, that's indicative of good genetics, ur body is highly reactive to AAS.........for the first 6yrs the guy was only on 600mg of test/wk........

-LIQUIDEX-

AI use is overrated

[Bencher]

Diavan 325mg and a calcium channel blocker.

[LIQUIDEX]

AI use is overrated

the only reason i would use an ai is for bitch tits, but even with ai's i still feel my nipples being sensitive, nothing painful, but if i press on the nipple i can feel a difference compared to when i'm off cycle.........is this normal???

[BigJD69]

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=26760&highlight=swiper

DAM Swiper has a GREAT Physique!!! I have asked this b4 but no one has responded what do the rest of you guys look like that are taking those mega doses??? Can someone post a pic???

[Bencher]

what bp meds were you on??

Ok, at home now.
Amlodipine Besylate 5mg
Diovan 320mg

Now off orals and BP is at 130/85-90

[s2h]

Diavan 325mg and a calcium channel blocker.its very possible that your HBP..is soley kidney related..something like cozar could be what you need...

[Bencher]

its very possible that your HBP..is soley kidney related..something like cozar could be what you need...

Went to nephrologist and he said all was good. I produce a lot of toxins but the kidneys also clear alot. He had my reg doc take the diuretic outta my BP meds, said it wasnt needed. All numbers are now coming back good.

[s2h]

Went to nephrologist and he said all was good. I produce a lot of toxins but the kidneys also clear alot. He had my reg doc take the diuretic outta my BP meds, said it wasnt needed. All numbers are now coming back good.interesting...glad to see your numbeers dropped...that 170/130 is pretty nasty looking...

[Bencher]

interesting...glad to see your numbeers dropped...that 170/130 is pretty nasty looking...

Funny thing is I never felt bad. But, I have had fairly high blood pressure since even b4 any usage. My doc was always pissed at me for them being high.

[BC123Jm]

DAM Swiper has a GREAT Physique!!! I have asked this b4 but no one has responded what do the rest of you guys look like that are taking those mega doses??? Can someone post a pic???


fuck it, i'll post a pic. now before you guys bash me, keep in mind i am
not a real BB or even a power lifter. just a dude who works out,
eats decent and juices a little. so this is me on 300mg of test pw.
thats it in this pic nothing else.
i would like to try a gram pw in the future and see what that does.

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/picture.php?albumid=555&pictureid=5570

[Bencher]

Look pretty darn good for someone that "just works out".

[BC123Jm]

Look pretty darn good for someone that "just works out".

thanks, i'm 40 and have been following BB since i was 17. when i
was younger i wanted to be a BB, but every time i would have
everything going great something would come along and fuck me
up, such is life. i have never even trained more than a year consistent
with out having to stop for long periods of time.

i'm to old now, but i like to think a have decent genetics and
could have maybe even competed if i wasnt such a fuck up.

[BigJD69]

fuck it, i'll post a pic. now before you guys bash me, keep in mind i am
not a real BB or even a power lifter. just a dude who works out,
eats decent and juices a little. so this is me on 300mg of test pw.
thats it in this pic nothing else.
i would like to try a gram pw in the future and see what that does.

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/picture.php?albumid=555&pictureid=5570

Not bad bro!!!! I'll rep that!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

good physique BC. I thought you were in your late 20-early 30s when I saw the pic, so I was surprised when you said you are 40. Definitely good genetics that make you look youthful and also enable you to have a good physique on a low dose

[Dre23]

BC,

Really nice structure man. Coulda/shoulda/woulda...I too understand all the 'curve balls' that life throws, but I guess you can only play the hand you're dealt and it looks like you have played quite well. No regrets. Reps my man.

[Secret]

I'm curious about what sort of results those taking 10,000mg+ per week would get. Surely this is past the point of where side effects outweigh benefits.

Anyone know of anybody who has tried this sort of extreme dosing?
Results?
Side effects?
Ability to keep gains after cycle?
Spontaneous combustion?
Antler growth?

[Zomb131]

My highest was:
2g/week Test E
1g/week deca

[BC123Jm]

good physique BC. I thought you were in your late 20-early 30s when I saw the pic, so I was surprised when you said you are 40. Definitely good genetics that make you look youthful and also enable you to have a good physique on a low dose

and a hair transplant! lol

[barbellman]

BC123Jm could have been one hell of a bodybuilder

[BC123Jm]

BC123Jm could have been one hell of a bodybuilder





thanks dude, that means a lot coming from you, seriously.

[barbellman]

thanks dude, that means a lot coming from you, seriously.


Well I'm serious, the structure is there, and even low dose you look better then 99% of these bloated bodybuilders I see in the gym grunting/spitting/cussing acting like fucking morons.

No need to go overboard for "looks", trust me, giant muscles or skinny/defined, both have their subset of women who will fuck your brains out. But for solid pussy getting, its lean and mean everytime :yep:

[BC123Jm]

But for solid pussy getting, its lean and mean everytime :yep:

Amen Brother!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

My highest was:
2g/week Test E
1g/week deca

how was 1g of deca? results and sides wise?

[joe293]

thanks, i'm 40 and have been following BB since i was 17. when i
was younger i wanted to be a BB, but every time i would have
everything going great something would come along and fuck me
up, such is life. i have never even trained more than a year consistent
with out having to stop for long periods of time.

i'm to old now, but i like to think a have decent genetics and
could have maybe even competed if i wasnt such a fuck up.

Too old? My first show I was 23 and I still compete @ 49. :)

[BC123Jm]

Too old? My first show I was 23 and I still compete @ 49. :)


well what i meant was to late at this point in my life to do what
it would take to be competitive. plus i'm broke as fuck
cause the feds took all my money (long story).

so my priorities these days are a lot different than they used to be.
i just concentrate on staying clean (no rec drugs) and living
a healthy lifestyle.

I dont have any regrets. I lived hard and fast for a long time.
I guess we all grow up some time.

[barbellman]

well what i meant was to late at this point in my life to do what
it would take to be competitive. plus i'm broke as fuck
cause the feds took all my money (long story).

so my priorities these days are a lot different than they used to be.
i just concentrate on staying clean (no rec drugs) and living
a healthy lifestyle.

I dont have any regrets. I lived hard and fast for a long time.
I guess we all grow up some time.


alright I'm hooked, pm me your story if you don't mind

[Chong Li]

I met a training partner of Evan Centopani's at a wedding the Sunday after he won the Flex Show. He told me that Evan will do no more than 6iu's of HGH a day but according to him he takes a LOT of TEST!!! He wouldn't go into specifics as far as how much but TEST is KING!!!


yeah i wanna know what kind of cocktail evan and these so called "good guys" that everyong slobs over, takes...

[s2h]

fuck it, i'll post a pic. now before you guys bash me, keep in mind i am
not a real BB or even a power lifter. just a dude who works out,
eats decent and juices a little. so this is me on 300mg of test pw.
thats it in this pic nothing else.
i would like to try a gram pw in the future and see what that does.

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/picture.php?albumid=555&pictureid=5570never too late...i got back on stage at 37 yr young...after a 15 yr lay off..bro..you got a solid back..nice wing spam in that FLS...

[AlphaMaleDawg]

she's 55 you fuckers

[-BLP-]

i did lots of everything ,, and lots of gh it' th best from my view, more then 20ui slin you fell waist goes off , more then 3gr of test , gym , suck , your not even strong , lethargic weak , sustenon you can take more then others , steroid bring side , hgh n slin not really , not that im aware of,

high androgen give anxiety disorder , like a mix of clen masteron winstrol tren prop gh will be dry wall formula but i cant ,,

high anabolic , high gh , moderate androgen n moderate slin use in off season , then load for one contest a year ,, it's th best future bet

the big difference is th time frame

if you start training at 19 natural then cycle at 24 with gh n slin and non stop for 10 years it's will bring you far

natural or not ...10 years it' what you need

and the forst 5 years dieting is useless , go for mass , dont loose time , you diet once health awareness you got no choice

and show up on stage small is useless also , minimum 250 offseason for a minimum 200 on stage

unless you want to be a fitness model but a fitness guy wont think that route anw

[BC123Jm]

she's 55 you fuckers

wrong thread AMD. reps for mom. lol

[Bencher]

wrong thread AMD. reps for mom. lol

Thought that was somewhere else. Mmmm, so looks 40 huh?? Right up my alley!!!

[LIQUIDEX]

i did lots of everything ,, and lots of gh it' th best from my view, more then 20ui slin you fell waist goes off , more then 3gr of test , gym , suck , your not even strong , lethargic weak , sustenon you can take more then others , steroid bring side , hgh n slin not really , not that im aware of,

high androgen give anxiety disorder , like a mix of clen masteron winstrol tren prop gh will be dry wall formula but i cant ,,

high anabolic , high gh , moderate androgen n moderate slin use in off season , then load for one contest a year ,, it's th best future bet

the big difference is th time frame

if you start training at 19 natural then cycle at 24 with gh n slin and non stop for 10 years it's will bring you far

natural or not ...10 years it' what you need

and the forst 5 years dieting is useless , go for mass , dont loose time , you diet once health awareness you got no choice

and show up on stage small is useless also , minimum 250 offseason for a minimum 200 on stage

unless you want to be a fitness model but a fitness guy wont think that route anw

BLP dropping knowledge........very interesting

-LIQUIDEX-

[Ironbrian82]

i remember craig titus saying that the majority of pros are using 5000mg of some kinda test with at least 20i.us of gh and insulin with every meal, and all the other steroids and drugs to go along with their cycle and nubain anti-est i dont know if its any truth in what he said but thats what he had to use to keep up so it makes you think, the only ones who know what they are doing is the pros and their gurus

[AlphaMaleDawg]

wrong thread AMD. reps for mom. lol

oops. in that case, she's 71

[joe293]

i remember craig titus saying that the majority of pros are using 5000mg of some kinda test with at least 20i.us of gh and insulin with every meal, and all the other steroids and drugs to go along with their cycle and nubain anti-est i dont know if its any truth in what he said but thats what he had to use to keep up so it makes you think, the only ones who know what they are doing is the pros and their gurus

20 iu's gh & slin everymeal would have me broke in no time. Slin is cheap but GH.......not so much.:confused:

[LIQUIDEX]

20 iu's gh & slin everymeal would have me broke in no time. Slin is cheap but GH.......not so much.:confused:


is that even possible.........

-LIQUIDEX-

[Bencher]

is that even possible.........

-LIQUIDEX-

Think the 20iu's is seperate from the slin at every meal. 20iu's a day gh along with slin b4 each meal.

[BC123Jm]

i still don't see how most of these pros can afford that kind of growth.
I mean, its a lot a money, even if its Chinese.

plus all the other gear on top of it. every real BB i've ever known
was broke as shit and most of these guys are just personal trainers.
and no not broke because they spent it all on gear, but broke
to start with.

how much can G4P really pay?

[BigJD69]

i still don't see how most of these pros can afford that kind of growth.
I mean, its a lot a money, even if its Chinese.

plus all the other gear on top of it. every real BB i've ever known
was broke as shit and most of these guys are just personal trainers.
and no not broke because they spent it all on gear, but broke
to start with.

how much can G4P really pay?
So far your the only one that has balls to post a pic!!! As I already have said you look really good and you don't look 40 y.o. Was just wondering what your stats are hgt/wgt???

[BC123Jm]

So far your the only one that has balls to post a pic!!! As I already have said you look really good and you don't look 40 y.o. Was just wondering what your stats are hgt/wgt???

age 40
height 5'6
weight 195
BF 9%
arms. 18.5, cold, flexed
waist 30
chest 47 ,flexed
thigh, 26, flexed
calves, 17
fore arms 15.5 flexed

[BigJD69]

^ Def. in shape you should consider competing. fore arms are big for that body weight!!!

[BC123Jm]

^ Def. in shape you should consider competing. fore arms are big for that body weight!!!

fore arms are a freak of nature. i never train them, ever.

[LIQUIDEX]

fore arms are a freak of nature. i never train them, ever.

Hey, r u still running keto..........or ur maintaining now

-LIQUIDEX-

[BC123Jm]

Hey, r u still running keto..........or ur maintaining now

-LIQUIDEX-

sun. pro/veg
mon. pro/veg
tues. pro/fat
wed. pro/fat
thur. pro/veg
fri. pro/fat
sat. 100 grams protein, minimal fat, super high carbs

[LIQUIDEX]

Pro/Veg days must be a bitch.............i kinda modified my diet.......instead of doing a cheat meal once a week, i have 50g of carbs every third night........can't wait for this to be over........

-LIQUIDEX-

[Chong Li]

how much does evan centopani use in the off season? those jersey cats like him and braun always look in shape. must have some good anti aging clinics up there or something...

[BigJD69]

fore arms are a freak of nature. i never train them, ever.
Yeah 15.5 is BIG for that bodyweight. Mine are 14 but I'm 228lbs.

[BC123Jm]

Yeah 15.5 is BIG for that bodyweight. Mine are 14 but I'm 228lbs.

yours look pretty big for 14. are you measuring flexed?
i measure by flexing like doing a bi shot and then turning
my fist out. not just just holding my arm straight out.

how big are your Bi's they look huge

[BigJD69]

yours look pretty big for 14. are you measuring flexed?
i measure by flexing like doing a bi shot and then turning
my fist out. not just just holding my arm straight out.

how big are your Bi's they look huge

With a pump around 20in. but that measurement was about a year ago.

[BC123Jm]

With a pump around 20in. but that measurement was about a year ago.

nice, thats a solid arm bro.

[BigJD69]

^^THANKS I try I am turning 42 next week. It's hard I have had so many injuries/surgerys. Just trying to get down to about 210-215.

[BC123Jm]

^^THANKS I try I am turning 42 next week. It's hard I have had so many injuries/surgerys. Just trying to get down to about 210-215.

Damn another "old dude" you dont look it either man.
Juice is the fountain of youth. ha ha

[BigJD69]

^^Just TRT here my theory less is more!

[shorty9]

Jesus f! On 400mgs I was humping everything within arms reach. At what dosage do you just mutate into a giant penis??

lmfao! for me i think it was right around the 600mg of test/wk mark. just one huge dick now. lol

[shorty9]

How do I get my hands on this "blank" stuff???


lol

[shorty9]

^^THANKS I try I am turning 42 next week. It's hard I have had so many injuries/surgerys. Just trying to get down to about 210-215.

damn bro. how long ago was pic in avi taken? you look 25-30 in that pic(no homo)

[BigJD69]

damn bro. how long ago was pic in avi taken? you look 25-30 in that pic(no homo)

That pic was taken maybe 3-5mos. ago!

[shorty9]

for every Lee Priest who claims small doses, we have guys like this. You will not believe this article because it is so insane

"The State of Competitive Bodybuilding

The Most Shocking Bodybuilding Interview Ever (IRONMAN, February '97)
by Steve Holman

Warning:This is an extremely controversial interview. To be honest, we almost decided not to print it; however, because IRONMAN has always been an open forum, going to great lengths to tell the whole truth, we felt it was our responsibility to the sport and to you, the reader, to allow this athlete to speak his mind

It took a lot of courage for this man to stand up and tell it like it is, and we are keeping him anonymous to protect his status as a professional bodybuilder. We're inserting [blanks] in place of names to help protect his identity-no process of elimination to narrow down the field-and also in place of drug names, so drug-using bodybuilders don't get any inadvertent "help" with their drug programs.

Keep in mind that we paid this man nothing because we feel money can only corrupt the information. When people are paid a high sum, they feel as if they have to give the interviewer his or her money's worth, and that can result in exaggeration.

As you read this, remember that this athlete came to us because, like us, he loves bodybuilding and wants to see it prosper, not die a painful drug-induced death.

Fasten your seatbelts. This dose of reality is going to open your eyes like nothing ever printed in this or any other bodybuilding magazine.

IM: You want to get some things off your chest. You have the bodybuilding world's ear. What is it you want to talk about?
BB: Well, you know, most of the things nobody wants to talk about. I want to let everybody know how it really is.

IM: How it is with the drugs?
BB: Damn right!

IM: You're having to take too many, correct?
BB: Way too many, man.

IM: What kind of drug bill are we talking about?
BB: Well, growth hormone alone costs you $30,000 a year.

IM: Good lord!
BB: And steroids, that's not a really big problem. I use a lot, but you can get it cheap. Mostly you gotta pay people to tell you how to use them. The growth hormone, IGF-IÉ.

IM: And just the thought of putting all that in your body all at one time-that's gotta take its toll on you mentally too.
BB: Well, I don't mind a little bit, because I do like big arms, big back, big chest and legs and everything. But when it comes to the point where I'm as big as I want to get-

IM: They tell you that you have to get bigger, right?
BB: Yeah, I don't have a choice. I'm gonna be bigger. Next year you're going to see me 24 pounds heavier.You know it's the whole mind-set that you gotta get bigger and sacrifice your shape. I may not like the way my back looks. I mean, I've got improvements to make, obviously. But those things come with time. Maturing into a physique is nice, but they want a monster.

IM: Do you think it can ever stop? I mean, if people keep getting bigger, what's going to happen to the sport?
BB: Well, the sport is already-

IM: Out of control?
BB: Yeah. It's an underground sport. It's [a cult that] likes to see the freaky mass monsters....They really don't care. They just say, Whatever it takes to do that, that's what we want to see. But I think a lot of people want to see something that's somewhat attainable.

IM: Do you think the size of the competitors has caused the people to be a little blast about it all? Like: Well, they're just going to have to do what it takes. We don't care; if they die, they die. We want to see 'em bigger, and we want to see 'em better.
BB: That's right. They want us to do it, and the judges want to see something bigger. In order for us to make a living and live our dreams, we gotta do whatever it takes, you know? You got guys like [blank, a bodybuilding columnist for another magazine] saying, "Well, nobody's making you." I guess nobody is, but a lot of us [have] this dream of being the best of the built.

IM: Absolutely. And it's a performance thing too. It's gratifying to be on stage. What do you think is a solution here? Do you think there is one at this point?
BB: Well, it's hard to say. Once you've seen extreme physique development, how are you going to train the eye of the audience to accept something less? You can practically see [some of these guys'] lungs when they do rear lat spreads. You just gotta accept something less. By the way, before I go on, let me tell you right now, there's a lot of things in your hands.

IM: I understand. Your identity is completely confidential, I promise you that. We'll just say you're a top pro. That's all.
BB: Right. Okay. Ask anything.

IM: Do you think part of the solution is for the judges to start rewarding a more aesthetic physique?
BB: That would be the only way the sport would go into a positive direction. Like Bob Paris.

IM: Right, if Bob Paris came back. I think the problem is you have to have an eye for that type of physique, and the general public and most bodybuilding fans don't have it, so they look at size as the top criterion for victory.
BB: I think there's a certain presence, an aura to a really complete physique like Lee Labrada's, rather than someone who's just grotesque.

IM: Getting back to the whole drug thing, do you have to stay on the drugs year-round?
BB: Yes. I haven't gone off at all for years.

IM: You have to inject, what, three to four times a week?
BB: Every day.

IM: Every day you have to inject something into your body?
BB: Yeah. Every day. Let me go over my stack.[He rattles off a list of injectibles and orals that's so long, my jaw hits the desk.]

IM: This is just off-season?
BB: Yeah. And of course I like to use [blank] that blocks estrogen and also increases testosterone levels. Also [blank] four times a day in the off-season to allow me to eat more calories. I also take half a tablet of [blank], which works better synergistically with growth hormone. Six weeks or so out I start taking some [blank] to stop some of the gyno. I did have to have it removed a few years back, but it kind of flares up now and then.And I use [blank] to take some of the water out. And [every so often] I switch from the heavy androgens to the lighter anabolics, like [blank and blank], 300 milligrams every other day. Let's see, [blank], 200 milligrams a day. That helps you harden up your physique, increase your vascularity. I take some [blank], which helps me harden, and I keep my insulin the same and my growth hormone the same.

IM: Whew! Quite a laundry list!
BB: Well, you know there's also many other things, like [blank], which keeps my gonadal system up and [blank] to boost my testosteone to make sure I don't atrophy down there. Also, anti-estrogens and other compound factors to combat the many side effects that I get.

IM: Have you ever noticed any serious health problems that you think are related to this?
BB: I piss a lot of blood come contest time.

IM: But in the off-season you feel pretty decent, even though you're taking all that stuff?
BB: Well, recently I started getting blood tests every two months.

IM: How about cholesterol count, blood pressure and so forth? All that's pretty normal?
BB: No, everything is high. My blood pressure gets really high, and that must be watched, especially when I take stimulants.

IM: It sounds as if you're on pins and needles a lot of the time.
BB: If you gotta do it, you got no choice. You want to make a living in this sport, that's what you gotta do.

IM: Race cars keep going faster and faster and there are more crashes, but the drivers keep doing it, right? What do you think your total drug bill is for the year?
BB: About $60,000, but it's going to be higher next year. Just this last year I had to add [blank]. Right now it's the number-one bodybuilding "supplement" in the competition ring. All these guys you see getting bigger, it's that. No question. Two years ago...I don't want to take nothing from [blank], really nice guy, nice family man, but physiquewise he was flat as a pancake. Now he's bigger, 20 to 30 pounds heavier. It's all [from this stuff]. [Blank] is heavy on it. Of course, we all are. I'm scared shitless.

IM: Are you guys pretty frank with each other about what you're taking?
BB: Only with friends. I mean, I get questions in the gym all the time, and I tell them I take [a popular protein powder]! Yeah, we talk.

IM: You don't feel you need to keep secrets and maintain an edge?
BB: There are no secrets. There's one guy out there-I won't mention his name-he's a top pro who helps out the other pros with their [blank] 'cause we don't know how to do it, so we go to him. He helps us out.

IM: I know the old-timers say there's no camaraderie in the sport anymore.
BB: Oh, there's some. But the only thing we talk about is-

IM: Drugs and training.
BB: We don't talk about training, because most of the guys-

IM: All train alike?
BB: Well, yeah. We don't train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half asleep when they [work out].

IM: So it's mostly just the drugs. The top guys really don't have an inkling how to train without them. Do you think most of the top 10 guys are taking pretty much the same thing then?
BB: Yeah, they're all jabbing themselves just as much, but I think [winning] has to do with your estrogen levels and your normal testosterone levels, your receptor abilities and things like that. You know, it's a genetic thing. Some people are more susceptible to steroids. Five milligrams might hit me differently than it might hit you.

IM: I asked you this earlier, and I know you said you think that it's just all part of the game, but aren't you afraid that this will catch up with you later in life?
BB: I am. I don't think I'll be able to have children. My doctor told me my sperm count is way too low. And my thyroid [is blown out].

IM: Do you feel that the sport indirectly promotes the whole drug thing?
BB: Yeah, but then you have people saying that nobody makes us. But this is our childhood dream. This is something we want to do, and for the most part we don't have other jobs.

IM: Do you think this drug test they had at the Olympia was a step in the right direction?
BB: It was a step in the right direction for the sport and probably a step in the wrong direction for people's careers because I know four people who [should have] tested positive. But we can beat the drug tests. Next year if they want to get diuretics, that's fine. We'll use plasmics. It's fairly simple. There's always exotic steroids."Let's change some molecule on the 17th position, and it can't be detected." [Blank] still can't be detected.

IM: This is the most eye-opening interview I've ever had. I appreciate your opening up to me.
BB: You're welcome. It could be because I'm very low on carbohydrates.

IM: And you're pissed off.
BB: Yeah, you know the diuretic scene is very difficult. I'm back there with my I.V. bag and heart monitor. It's just the situation. You take a person and put him into a lab in a freak science experiment. Then you throw him on stage, and you take him off to pump blood back into him. Is that a sport?The training is pretty much beaten to death. In fact, your magazine for the natural athletes is what I recommend. Professional bodybuilding [is about] drugs. Of course, there's abuse in every professional sport-boxing, basketball, baseball, football.

IM: How long do you think you can keep at it? I mean at this pace?
BB: Well I've been on forÉoh God. I'll tell you right now, if anybody's going to die next, it's going to be [blank]. He's too old to be messing with [junk] like that. His pancreas I don't think is too good.There's a look that you get. I can see it. [Blank, a top pro] is very ill. I understand what he wants to do for the sport, and he can do some great things, but he's dying and every contest he loses is a blow to him. He's killing himself literally because he wants to make this sport better. Eventually he's either going to win the contest or he's going to die.

IM: He's really playing Russian roulette?
BB: Yeah, he was using [blank] before any of us. I prefer his look back [a few years]. He wasn't big but aesthetic-a pleasing physique. Something a kid would look at and say, Hey, I would like to look like that. Now he should be concentrating more on certain bodyparts, but instead his body is getting bigger, his stomach, his head, everything.

IM: It's a scary look. Yes, the body's getting bigger, but all the internal organs are getting large, bloated.
BB: They should have a contest for the biggest growth-hormone gut.

IM: Got anything else you want to get off your chest?
BB: Yeah, you know I have a hard time thinking because of all the things I'm on now. But they don't talk about how much drug [abuse] there is. And it's not just the steroids. We've got to use speed and stuff like that. We have to use a lot of diuretics, things that aren't too healthy, and they don't feel good. Lots of guys are using cocaine-not just because they like it, but it helps you get cut up, it helps you not eat.With drugs there's use and abuse. But at our level I feel we're getting exploited, you know? They pump us full of drugs...or we pump ourselves full of drugs to make ourselves look like freaks, and we get on stage and that's our job. But we don't get paid hardly anything. The guy who uses our pictures, the supplement companies, make all the money, and they don't give us nothing. If it wasn't for our picture, they wouldn't have nothing to promote.

IM: Yeah, and you gotta keep risking your life to try to make a few bucks winning a show.
BB: I'll tell you what: [Some] of the guys, like [blank], are gay prostitutes.

IM: Think so?
BB: I know so. That's how they can afford all those drugs. That's definite. Of course [certain people in] the gay community are going to walk up and say, Hey, we'll give you so much to have sex. That's just like a straight guy walking up to Cindy Crawford and saying it. But for us it's a way to make a good $10,000 a month. It helps with our drug bill and sometimes they just give us drugs for the act.

IM: When you think about it, you guys can't make much money.
BB: There's not much money in the contracts. Especially with the drugs, the living, the food. You have to sacrifice your-

IM: Integrity?
BB: Yeah, your integrity, your pride. It's all a sacrifice. The drugs, the prostitution. These guys don't want to do that. They have to look in the mirror. They know they're sacrificing what makes them a man.And all this crap you see about carb loading and sodium. Bunch of shit.

IM: So you don't think they actually do sodium loading? It's all just drugs?
BB: Precontest every once in a while you catch a guy in McDonald's or eating pizza. You can do that kind of thing-of course, in moderation.

IM: But you're a pretty heavy supplement user?
BB: I don't use supplements at all! No vitamins, nothing.IM: You don't think that vitamins and minerals would help protect you somewhat from all the drugs?BB: Yeah, but-

IM: You've got put your money where it's going to be the most effective, right? On drugs.
BB: Right. I'd like to see a $1 million prize [for a bodybuilding contest]. That's something else that would help the sport. If there's a decent amount of money in there, it would be something people would watch. Unfortunately, I think people want to see the freaks at this point. Really big mothers up there. It's like you said, you really can't go backwards. I guess you have to let [it] self-destruct and see what happens.

IM: I don't want to see any of you guys die.
BB: We will. I guarantee you. You're going to see lots of guys dying in the next few years.

IM: I hope the drug test is a step in the right direction, and maybe they'll start judging for more aesthetic physiques. If they did backtrack to more of the Bob Paris look, I think it would help.
BB: Is that ever going to happen?IM: How much longer do you think you're going to go on with it?BB: Till I reach my goal. Or it beats me.

IM: Have you ever experienced any kind of depression or rage?
BB: Oh, yeah. Beaten many peopleÉgot out of hand. I feel bad about that.

IM: Having all that coursing through your system has to do something to you mentally.
BB: Well, besides that, you feel a lump here, and you feel scared, and you don't know what's going on.

IM: Do you get checked by a doctor regularly?
BB: I get the blood tests, and he reads it. It's foreign to me. I just ask how much longer do I have to live, what am I doing wrong?

IM: But he doesn't do any MRIs on you? It's just basically a blood test?
BB: No. He checks my thyroid, sperm count. Of course, I'm never going to be able to have children.

IM: Perhaps some of this will reverse itself once you-
BB: No, I have irreversible damage.

IM: That's really sad.
BB: I think it happened last year. When I upped everything, I shut my thyroid down. And if I go off the [blank], I'm going to get fat. I'm going to stay on the stuff permanently. If I go off, I'm going to rebound. None of these guys go off. It's just nonstop. These guys do what it takes.Don't you see that they're exploiting us? They're selling us. They're pumping us up, putting us on stage, throwing us off, and they're collecting the money. And we're back there rolling around in death.In the process they will make money. Sell ourselves. Sell our souls, and we don't get much. And even if you take the drugs, it's no guarantee you're going to win. You have to have something going on there. But [the people who run this sport] say, Keep it going, keep it going. And watch their wallets getting bigger. They don't care.

IM: But you did say looking like that helps you with women?
BB: That makes it a little worthwhile, but I never had any problem with the bitches. I got plenty before. Now I'm bigger, so I get a lot more. But you also get the bad-that includes harassment from the homos.I want to say for the guys who want to take their physiques to a [higher level], weight training, eating right and exercising will help you achieve your goals. What's big to you may be small compared to a pro, but like I said, Lee Labrada will look huge to a lot of guys. So you can attain your goals, get bigger, get better with the women, look good. You may not win Mr. Olympia, but you can still have something to be proud of [without the drugs].[Competitive bodybuilding, for the most part] is all chemistry. It's chemical warfare. Andreas Munzer had something we never had. All those striations and [blank] drugs, but look what it did to him. He died by the sword. And [blank] pocketed everything Andreas ever did.We have to deal with the rat race and the counterfeit steroids. All these guys saying, Yeah, I fell down and broke my arm. That's not true. That's the dealer breaking their arms because they didn't pay for their shipment of growth hormone.

IM: You say you go to Mexico for a lot of this stuff?
BB: Yeah, I go to Mexico. The European tour is where most of us get our drugs.[Switches subjects again] You don't need drug testing. Just a Lee Labrada. It didn't take a ton [of drugs] to do that. Pick that, and there you go. All the other guys will have to trim down to look like that.

IM: Go for the aesthetic physique. That's one of the big steps they have to take. By the way, isn't there a drug that you can inject directly into the muscle to blow it up?
BB: Oh, yeah, [blank]. Use that for my peak on my biceps. [Blank] uses it everywhere-80 to 100 shots. Tell you right now it hurts like hell. But it's hard to predict. It may look good five days before the show, then it lumps out and you'll get guys with the real lumpy, weird-looking biceps.This whole sport is about being a bitch. You gotta be a bitch to pay your bills. You gotta be a bitch to win. That's what it's all about. Total exploitation. I'd like the athletes to make a little more money. All these magazines talk about how much Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson make. They don't talk about how much we make, 'cause it's disgraceful. What am I going to do? Sell pictures of myself?

IM: Do a lot of the guys sell drugs on the side?
BB: Oh, yeah. I've done that myself. Now it's a lot harder.

IM: So what else? Is there's anything you can think of that you're really pissed off about.
BB: Well, I'm pissed off that we have to use this amount of drugs. I was happier with my physique last year. [They want us] in the 270-pound range.

IM: Don't you think the magazines are a little at fault too?
BB: Yeah, they are. They don't print nothing about the drug regimen. They're selling fake dreams to kids: Take this protein powder, and you're going to look like that. And it ain't true. Drugs play a predominant role, and most of the [champions'] training articles lead to overtraining. You know that. And unless you're on steroids, you're going to end up unhappy and lose your dream.

IM: I guess it's a vicious cycle.
BB: The insulin's very dangerous. I'm feeling it right now. I'm getting real tired, headaches, weakness. I breathe hard. Not a good drug to take.

IM: What's the danger with the insulin? It's a hormone, so what's the big problem?
BB: You can die right there. I mean, there isn't one of us who hasn't been in shock. You really don't know.

IM: Have you ever had to go to the hospital because of it?
BB: I've been in the hospital a few times, yeah. They had to use half a bag of glucose intravenously to keep me going. I didn't have any glucose in my liver, because I did too much insulin. My brain was starved, and I was beginning to fall asleep, go into a coma. It's the most painful feeling you'll ever feel. During that time your mind's going nuts.What am I getting out of all this? A cover picture? That won't pay the bills. Maybe they should start giving back to the athletes instead of taking. If they're gonna make it where we have to be bigger, we should get something out of it. Golfers make more money than we do. I saw how much they make at these rodeos too. They collect $50,000 for riding some damn bull. They don't have to take drugs to do that.

IM: The danger's there for eight seconds, then they're out of there. You guys have danger all year long.
BB: Yeah it's dangerous.

IM: To say the least."


Maybe Im just being a dick, but this dude sounds like a fucking whiner to me.(thats whiner not winner for you charlie sheen fans reading this) Talks about his childhood dreams and all that, but seriously if you didnt wanna do it all, then dont fucking do it. Im not saying everything that goes on in proBB today is right, or even good. But seriously, your a grown-ass man, take some responsibility for your choices, and if you dont like what you are doing or the way things are then find another profession!!(oh shit, I cant get banned for talking shit on someone whos not a member and possibly fictional, can I?!) N article wasnt really that shocking to begin with bc they blanked out just about everything interesting. Thanks for nothing Ironman, circa 1997.

[s2h]

Maybe Im just being a dick, but this dude sounds like a fucking whiner to me.(thats whiner not winner for you charlie sheen fans reading this) Talks about his childhood dreams and all that, but seriously if you didnt wanna do it all, then dont fucking do it. Im not saying everything that goes on in proBB today is right, or even good. But seriously, your a grown-ass man, take some responsibility for your choices, and if you dont like what you are doing or the way things are then find another profession!!(oh shit, I cant get banned for talking shit on someone whos not a member and possibly fictional, can I?!) N article wasnt really that shocking to begin with bc they blanked out just about everything interesting. Thanks for nothing Ironman, circa 1997. interesting read..i'm kinda on the fence with that interview...one thing for sure..and i know this because i know guys that bull rid....bullriders use lots of drugs..maybe not AAS..but lots of rec drugs ie painkillers...

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Maybe Im just being a dick, but this dude sounds like a fucking whiner to me.(thats whiner not winner for you charlie sheen fans reading this) Talks about his childhood dreams and all that, but seriously if you didnt wanna do it all, then dont fucking do it. Im not saying everything that goes on in proBB today is right, or even good. But seriously, your a grown-ass man, take some responsibility for your choices, and if you dont like what you are doing or the way things are then find another profession!!(oh shit, I cant get banned for talking shit on someone whos not a member and possibly fictional, can I?!) N article wasnt really that shocking to begin with bc they blanked out just about everything interesting. Thanks for nothing Ironman, circa 1997.


interesting read..i'm kinda on the fence with that interview...one thing for sure..and i know this because i know guys that bull rid....bullriders use lots of drugs..maybe not AAS..but lots of rec drugs ie painkillers...

I agree with you guys. Another interesting read is Big A's sticky on the PM forums. I assume most of you have read it at some point. If not I can copy and paste

[BC123Jm]

I agree with you guys. Another interesting read is Big A's sticky on the PM forums. I assume most of you have read it at some point. If not I can copy and paste

post it up Dawg

[AlphaMaleDawg]

here it is

"
So sick of this - HERE'S THE TRUTH!
This site was always set up as an advanced site, where you can find TRUTHFUL information about bodybuilding, not bulshit and ideology promoted by people who generally have agendas.

This is the truth:

If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you take, the bigger you will get. It's as simple as that.

Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don't beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the 'in the know' people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.

Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).

Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a shit load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.

BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.

And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.

Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions,
they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.

It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.

BTW, Synthetek's books have on them who's who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.

Anyway, I'm sick of seeing the bullshit that has been promoted on this site the last few years. This site was originally set up as an uncensored place where you can find the truth about advanced performance enhancing, regardless of consequences. It's getting back to that."

[BC123Jm]

"Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such."

I totally believe this to be true. These guys aren't sitting down and mapping
out complex cycles. They take what they can get and afford.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

^yep pretty much. they just take whatever they have and load up as much as they want I guess

[MisterAmbition]

Before I took a lay-off, and later went to prison, I was running 3500/wk of test enan, 1000/wk eq, 100/day tren, 50/day dbol or winstrol, and some deca and proviron... and total AAS came to around 6-7g per week. The Tren and orals I'd go off for a couple months at a time, but the test and eq stayed at those doses for abot 3 years straight. Along with 40+iu of humulin R, 50-100mcg t3, sometimes nolvadex and arimidex.

Sundays were the days I'd shoot the test and eq. 20cc's in one day. 3cc rear delt, 2cc between the anterior and medial delt, 2cc bicep, 3cc glute... on each side.

My face was always puffy and my torso was red. My ankles never got puffy. Although my hairline is creeping back on the sides, it's still nice a thick w/o any bald-spots.

I'm always suprised now when I see my liver enzymes are on the LOW side of normal and my kidney's are A-Ok.

I even managed to father 2 kids w/o ever going off. Just did a couple 5000iu shots (each kid) of HCG and 'poof' 6 weeks later we're expecting.

Now... being on parole, all I'm on is 200mg every two weeks of Test Cyp for TRT (LEGAL!) and 50mcg t4. I'm not tested or anything, but I do have a steroid felony so I'm not takin chances.

My only regret? Not eating enough protein/aminos consistantly. My diet was heavy-carb (hamburger helper, mac&cheese, ect...) to go with the insulin. I'd rarely drink protein shakes and got most my protein from fatty ground beef (about 2lbs a day).

[Chong Li]

Before I took a lay-off, and later went to prison, I was running 3500/wk of test enan, 1000/wk eq, 100/day tren, 50/day dbol or winstrol, and some deca and proviron... and total AAS came to around 6-7g per week. The Tren and orals I'd go off for a couple months at a time, but the test and eq stayed at those doses for abot 3 years straight. Along with 40+iu of humulin R, 50-100mcg t3, sometimes nolvadex and arimidex.

Sundays were the days I'd shoot the test and eq. 20cc's in one day. 3cc rear delt, 2cc between the anterior and medial delt, 2cc bicep, 3cc glute... on each side.

My face was always puffy and my torso was red. My ankles never got puffy. Although my hairline is creeping back on the sides, it's still nice a thick w/o any bald-spots.

I'm always suprised now when I see my liver enzymes are on the LOW side of normal and my kidney's are A-Ok.

I even managed to father 2 kids w/o ever going off. Just did a couple 5000iu shots (each kid) of HCG and 'poof' 6 weeks later we're expecting.

Now... being on parole, all I'm on is 200mg every two weeks of Test Cyp for TRT (LEGAL!) and 50mcg t4. I'm not tested or anything, but I do have a steroid felony so I'm not takin chances.

My only regret? Not eating enough protein/aminos consistantly. My diet was heavy-carb (hamburger helper, mac&cheese, ect...) to go with the insulin. I'd rarely drink protein shakes and got most my protein from fatty ground beef (about 2lbs a day).

this man needs his own Q and A.

1. how did u get caught?

2. What do you do now since your a convict? How do you afford/obtain TRT? im sure insurance is not something easy to get or afford.

3. What was prison like, having to come down from all that AAS?


4. How did you afford to run 7 grams of shit a week?

[joe293]

Before I took a lay-off, and later went to prison, I was running 3500/wk of test enan, 1000/wk eq, 100/day tren, 50/day dbol or winstrol, and some deca and proviron... and total AAS came to around 6-7g per week. The Tren and orals I'd go off for a couple months at a time, but the test and eq stayed at those doses for abot 3 years straight. Along with 40+iu of humulin R, 50-100mcg t3, sometimes nolvadex and arimidex.

Sundays were the days I'd shoot the test and eq. 20cc's in one day. 3cc rear delt, 2cc between the anterior and medial delt, 2cc bicep, 3cc glute... on each side.

My face was always puffy and my torso was red. My ankles never got puffy. Although my hairline is creeping back on the sides, it's still nice a thick w/o any bald-spots.

I'm always suprised now when I see my liver enzymes are on the LOW side of normal and my kidney's are A-Ok.

I even managed to father 2 kids w/o ever going off. Just did a couple 5000iu shots (each kid) of HCG and 'poof' 6 weeks later we're expecting.

Now... being on parole, all I'm on is 200mg every two weeks of Test Cyp for TRT (LEGAL!) and 50mcg t4. I'm not tested or anything, but I do have a steroid felony so I'm not takin chances.

My only regret? Not eating enough protein/aminos consistantly. My diet was heavy-carb (hamburger helper, mac&cheese, ect...) to go with the insulin. I'd rarely drink protein shakes and got most my protein from fatty ground beef (about 2lbs a day).


What were the stats when you were on those years. Height, weight, max lifts etc. Also, how much did you lose when you came off? Was there any GH usage during those years.

[Dadup]

Before I took a lay-off, and later went to prison, I was running 3500/wk of test enan, 1000/wk eq, 100/day tren, 50/day dbol or winstrol, and some deca and proviron... and total AAS came to around 6-7g per week. The Tren and orals I'd go off for a couple months at a time, but the test and eq stayed at those doses for abot 3 years straight. Along with 40+iu of humulin R, 50-100mcg t3, sometimes nolvadex and arimidex.

Sundays were the days I'd shoot the test and eq. 20cc's in one day. 3cc rear delt, 2cc between the anterior and medial delt, 2cc bicep, 3cc glute... on each side.

My face was always puffy and my torso was red. My ankles never got puffy. Although my hairline is creeping back on the sides, it's still nice a thick w/o any bald-spots.

I'm always suprised now when I see my liver enzymes are on the LOW side of normal and my kidney's are A-Ok.

I even managed to father 2 kids w/o ever going off. Just did a couple 5000iu shots (each kid) of HCG and 'poof' 6 weeks later we're expecting.

Now... being on parole, all I'm on is 200mg every two weeks of Test Cyp for TRT (LEGAL!) and 50mcg t4. I'm not tested or anything, but I do have a steroid felony so I'm not takin chances.

My only regret? Not eating enough protein/aminos consistantly. My diet was heavy-carb (hamburger helper, mac&cheese, ect...) to go with the insulin. I'd rarely drink protein shakes and got most my protein from fatty ground beef (about 2lbs a day).
you should be on the most interesting man in the world commercials

[MisterAmbition]

...still waiting for an answer MisterAmbition!!!!


I thought the thread was in the "main" forum (I forget what it's called). Took me a bit to locate it.

[MisterAmbition]

What were the stats when you were on those years. Height, weight, max lifts etc. Also, how much did you lose when you came off? Was there any GH usage during those years.


A bit over 6ft. The heaviest I went to was 235, but I stayed lean, and that was heavy for me with my frame (I don't think my wrists are over 7"). 8% was normal for me. I was young, and focused more on my AAS intake, than my nutrition. Didn't always practice what I preached.

Lifts? jeez... I dunno about everything, but... overhead db extension w/180's (or 170? whatever the heaviest db World Gym SD had at the time... there were no 200's), 365 for 3 incline smith. 455 for 5 dead's. I didn't squat w/a barbell... I used hacksquat 4 plates and a 25 each side, working sets. HS vert rows with 2 hundreds and the rest 45's filled. I dunno about much else. I didn't train for strength... I leg-press more now than I did then (no, not with a Cybex, either), and I didn't start squating 'till I went to prison. There I'd go up to 405x12-15 with a pL belt, lo-bar, feet to the cage. I was never "strong", especially in pressing/chest movments.

When I went off... I went off everything. I stopped training. Went to eating 2-3x a day... shitty food. Just garbage, spagetti-o's and hotdogs and shit. Maybe I'd eat breakfast, maybe not. Oh, and the alcohol didn't help either. I went down to about 180lbs, probably less. With a sub-100 test level.

No GH. If I couldn't run 12-16iu, I didn't see the point.

[MisterAmbition]

this man needs his own Q and A.

1. how did u get caught?

2. What do you do now since your a convict? How do you afford/obtain TRT? im sure insurance is not something easy to get or afford.

3. What was prison like, having to come down from all that AAS?


4. How did you afford to run 7 grams of shit a week?


1. My 'best friend' ratted me out. Both with robbery, and the steroid charge.

2. Look for a job...all day... every day. I've only been out 2 months. It's harder than I thought it'd be. Everybody has said to me "you gotta apply online"... so I have, and so far it's fuckin bullshit. All I get is nigerian-spam artists replying.

TRT? Borrowed money from family. It's only $70/bottle of Watson Cyp from the pharmacy. For TRT, that'll last me 6 months. Plus, I've been living pretty frugally. (poor grammar?)

3. Holy hell... that's a whole'nother thread. I guess you could call it a Shark Tank, with predators and prey. I was more of a "whale". I ran a few businesses and didn't 'prey' on the little guys, and nobody fucked with me b/c they'd probably get more than they bargained for. I "loaned things" (money,food, shampoo, ect...) and charged 50% intrest per week. If a guy couldn't pay, I'd cut him some slack and after a while the intrest would run up and I'd sell the debt. I'm not a knucklehead-gangster-fighter w/a problem with authority... I just wanted to turn a profit... and get out on parole on time.

I'd been off AAS for about 7 months? maybe more, by the time I was arrested.

4. I'm from... was from... san diego. I'd be in mexico 2x a week some weeks. Plus, at THAT time I had plenty of money. (then 'the wheels fell off')

[MisterAmbition]

look dude, all kidding aside you must have some of the worst genetics possible. Because based on what you described, you were on a shit ton of drugs and you weren't that big or strong. Thats just my observation, based on what you said. maybe i'm wrong.


Are you "observing" things I already said? That I wasn't that big, and wasn't that strong?

Maybe you should "observe" where I said I was also very lazy when it came to nutrition. Tons of drugs, and shitty nutrition don't equal a 270lb beast.

[MisterAmbition]

Holy Shit, Craig Titus is out!


CT was arrested 2 weeks before me.

[joe d]

acting this way is not permitted here. ive sent infractions and deleted posts. lets move on here.

[Secret]

Yeah. This is fascinating stuff.
This is the apparent cycle pro bodybuilding Andreas Munzer took shortly before he died.



weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--
cytomel

Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show
aldactone, lasix

From Wikipedia;
The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]
An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors, typical for doping; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)
Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).

[MisterAmbition]

Yeah. This is fascinating stuff.
This is the apparent cycle pro bodybuilding Andreas Munzer took shortly before he died.



weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--
cytomel

Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show
aldactone, lasix

From Wikipedia;
The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]
An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors, typical for doping; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)
Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).


I dunno about the wikipedia stuff being 100% accurate. I seem to remember him having a bleeding ulcer on an airplane and having complications from Cytadren.

I also remember some bullshit "stack" floating around that supposedly he'd (or his wife) had produced to either canadian police or customs when he'd gotten 'busted' either in canada or entering canada to validate the drugs found in his possession were for personal use.... this was many years ago, and may be bullshit alltogether, so don't quote me as saying it as fact.

Side Note; There's some nice video's of Munzer on youtube I'd neve seen before. Unique rep-cadence.

The enlarged heart is common to many athletes, steroids or not.

[BC123Jm]

Yeah. This is fascinating stuff.


From Wikipedia;
The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.[3] Some of the specific autopsy findings:[3]
An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors, typical for doping; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g)
Münzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).

At least he went out jacked and shredded.
"Its better to burn out than fade away"
RIP andreas

[barbellman]

At least he went out jacked and shredded.
"Its better to burn out than fade away"
RIP andreas


damn straight

[LIQUIDEX]

BBman and BC, your posts sometimes come off like this

[BC123Jm]

Thats all that methyltest BBM is on. I'm like a kitten compared to him.

[Secret]

I dunno about the wikipedia stuff being 100% accurate. I seem to remember him having a bleeding ulcer on an airplane and having complications from Cytadren.

I also remember some bullshit "stack" floating around that supposedly he'd (or his wife) had produced to either canadian police or customs when he'd gotten 'busted' either in canada or entering canada to validate the drugs found in his possession were for personal use.... this was many years ago, and may be bullshit alltogether, so don't quote me as saying it as fact.

Side Note; There's some nice video's of Munzer on youtube I'd neve seen before. Unique rep-cadence.

The enlarged heart is common to many athletes, steroids or not.
I'm sure seen Peliosis Hepatis listed as the cause of death before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peliosis_hepatis . It causes blood-filled cavities to form on the liver, which can result in renal failure. Abuse of steroids is one of the known causes.
As for the wikipedia autopsy results; I wonder how much Munzer abused his liver to have half of it reduced to a crumbly, styrofoam-like mass? Wouldn't you notice that something was wrong?

[MisterAmbition]

I'm sure seen Peliosis Hepatis listed as the cause of death before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peliosis_hepatis . It causes blood-filled cavities to form on the liver, which can result in renal failure. Abuse of steroids is one of the known causes.
As for the wikipedia autopsy results; I wonder how much Munzer abused his liver to have half of it reduced to a crumbly, styrofoam-like mass? Wouldn't you notice that something was wrong?


I don't buy the "crumbly, styrofoam-like" description. It sounds like sensationalized media-talk.

If alcoholics get an enlarged, fatty-liver, why did Munzers allegedly "crumble apart"? It doesn't make any sense.

[MisterAmbition]

Are you "observing" things I already said? That I wasn't that big, and wasn't that strong?

Maybe you should "observe" where I said I was also very lazy when it came to nutrition. Tons of drugs, and shitty nutrition don't equal a 270lb beast.


I'll also note that from 2000 to 2002 I only came off for a short time, and from 2002-2005 I never came off. Receptor down-regulation and lack of attention to nutrition didn't make the perfect-storm for growth.