Kevin Levrone Talks About Today's Bodybuilders and Low Carb Dieting

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Kevin Levrone Talks About Today's Bodybuilders and Low Carb Dieting

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http://www.rxmuscle.com/videos/lifestyle/2674-kevin-levrone-talks-about-todays-bodybuilders-and-low-carb-dieting.html

[barbellman]

You got this interview just in time Dave....lol

[The Big Sexy]

Great interview... Kev rocks.

[Aaron Singerman]

You got this interview just in time Dave....lol

Or is it the other way around? Did this interview prompt MD to snap up another Legend of Bodybuilding...

[pinnacle]

I agree with everything Levrone said. I have been thinking the exact same thing for a few years now. The top 6-10 bodybuilders from the 90s are simply better than todays top group, outside of perhaps Jay and that includes size. I mean the only reason guys are 10-15lbs bigger today is lack of being in shape (relative to the 90s) and too much insulin or something. I think Levrone, Wheeler, Coleman, Yates, Nasser, Dillett, Ruhl, Francios etc.. would beat everyone today. You cant say that about any other decade. I mean the 70s guys were better than the 60s the 80s better than the 70s and the 90s better than the 80s, but after about 2000 or so it has regressed. That includes the national level as well. I saw a thread on MD about Centopani being similar to Levrone in soulder and trap development and thought hey maybe so. Then I saw a picture of Levrone from around 97 and it was NO contest. Levrone smokes him big time.

[barbellman]

Or is it the other way around? Did this interview prompt MD to snap up another Legend of Bodybuilding...

Dave is gettin more motherfuckers paid then I can count.

[spude]

I heard Kevin likes to substitute some carbs by alcohol, preferably jack daniels, during his prep...7 kcals per 1 gram of pure alcohol, you know :yep:

[Hydroshake]

talking to dave is like an automatic job offer from MD

[Rymdkaviar]

Good interview, just should have been like 50 minutes longer!

[Ironguru]

I agree with everything Levrone said. I have been thinking the exact same thing for a few years now. The top 6-10 bodybuilders from the 90s are simply better than todays top group, outside of perhaps Jay and that includes size. I mean the only reason guys are 10-15lbs bigger today is lack of being in shape (relative to the 90s) and too much insulin or something. I think Levrone, Wheeler, Coleman, Yates, Nasser, Dillett, Ruhl, Francios etc.. would beat everyone today. You cant say that about any other decade. I mean the 70s guys were better than the 60s the 80s better than the 70s and the 90s better than the 80s, but after about 2000 or so it has regressed. That includes the national level as well. I saw a thread on MD about Centopani being similar to Levrone in soulder and trap development and thought hey maybe so. Then I saw a picture of Levrone from around 97 and it was NO contest. Levrone smokes him big time.

x2, the guys of the 90s would literally win every single show today.

[barbellman]

x2, the guys of the 90s would literally win every single show today.


a wise man once said....


"If arnold could comeback and win these shows it literally means bodybuilding has stood still for 5 years"



He did, bodybuilding has been frozen for 13+ yrs in its current state aka decay

[bernard]

kevin is awesome. he still calls it like he sees it. with all the total body fitness and healthy living he has be promoting over at the levrone report, its nice to see he still has that hardcore mentality. i would have loved to see him and flex stand with some of the top guys today. their conditioning and shape years ahead of their time. although i do feel phil heath could hold is own against them.

[nettles9]

this will get ripped down by the end of the day

[bernard]

i do think that the reason they were more conditioned in the 90's though was because they did compete more often. they would do the bigger shows here and then go and do the european tours. dieting that long doing show after show we just saw their conditioning get better even if it was off at one show.

pros now that compete once or twice a year. all they have to do is miss their peak one time that year and thats all we see of them . its all we remember.

[Natzo]

awsome.

just in time Dave!

[D_T]

I gotta believe something with slin or some drug is blurring conditioning these days. Obviously guys are still dieting and and coming in lean but it just doesn't' show like it did back in the day. In pictures I can't even see striation sometimes. It's got to be there though if you're 4-5%.

[Taylor Normandeau]

I gotta believe something with slin or some drug is blurring conditioning these days. Obviously guys are still dieting and and coming in lean but it just doesn't' show like it did back in the day. In pictures I can't even see striation sometimes. It's got to be there though if you're 4-5%.

Agreed, something is wrong with the mentality and the methods being used today.

[shredstack]

Or is it the other way around? Did this interview prompt MD to snap up another Legend of Bodybuilding...

Well past history would prove this to be true.

[barbellman]

I gotta believe something with slin or some drug is blurring conditioning these days. Obviously guys are still dieting and and coming in lean but it just doesn't' show like it did back in the day. In pictures I can't even see striation sometimes. It's got to be there though if you're 4-5%.


yup, 100iu and up insulina per day is the problem.

No wonder nobody runs low carbs, they can't, they'd die :no:

[Taylor Normandeau]

Awesome interview, there is no one like Kevin competing today. Body and personality wise.

[Taylor Normandeau]

yup, 100iu and up insulina per day is the problem.

No wonder nobody runs low carbs, they can't, they'd die :no:

Troof.

[Fah-Q]

Uh oh... he can't be talking about low carb dieting over at MD! Lets see if he all of sudden attacks low carb diets now that he's over there LOL!

[Getsize]

"I would do zero carbs for 5-6 days or 2 weeks straight whatever it took to bring that crazy conditioning in..."

"Kev Thanks Alot!"

LMAO
Dave made sure that ended on a good note! Good interview!

[BuffGuy]

First.. awsome interview.. and yes i think the guys now are not suffering enough...

Dave basicly got Kevin a contract... and gratz.. make some money KEvin.. ur a good person.

BTW Dave.. how much are u charging? i want a contract too.. lol

[ypmm5]

Agreed, something is wrong with the mentality and the methods being used today.

Yeah.
Most want to be full instead of sacrificing some fullness for conditioning.

[ypmm5]

I gotta believe something with slin or some drug is blurring conditioning these days. Obviously guys are still dieting and and coming in lean but it just doesn't' show like it did back in the day. In pictures I can't even see striation sometimes. It's got to be there though if you're 4-5%.

Yeah.
Its called get off the corner of I'm a bitch street and doing only 30 mins of cardio a day ave.
This was a solid interview.
I think if Branch had cut back on his carbs a bit and up his cardio, his conditioning would be close to the 09 Mr O.
I aint buying this crap that Farah has these guys up their carbs and cut their cardio yet they come in good not great conditioning. He must load them up with DNP, T3 and Clen.
Bottom-line, very few guys are genetically gifted to keep their carbs up and still dial it in. That is the minority. MD is always taking shots at ketogenic diets, etc.
Dave keeps it real.

[Taylor Normandeau]

Yeah.
Most want to be full instead of sacrificing some fullness for conditioning.

I also think they rely on drugs way too much to get conditioned. Heavy gear use is key to being a succesful pro, but it's the other drugs. The more common they get, the worse the physiques look. If people are slow to lose weight, they up their HGH dose instead of cutting carbs and doing more cardio.

[pinnacle]

There is surely a drug thing going on. Guys are lean but they don't even have great cross striations and nobody ever looks really bone dry. Of course we dont seem to be seeing or hearing about as many people getting sick or even dying from getting into great contest shape anymore either. BUT, the only way to get into great shape is through strict dieting, not drugs anway. I think it is a combo of more drugs is better and a I need to be big to win mentality. I mean really if just one of these top 5 guys today would say fuck it I am coming in 90s shredded and throw the scale out they window they would probably win the Arnold or Olympia. They would make all the other guys look out of shape standing next to them. Jay should come in around 250, Wolf around 260, etc... I mean hell Ronnie weighed like 247 at the 98 Olympia and he looked 275. It was due to his condition creating an illusion of more size.

[Fredhdastar]

Kevin is my favorite pro of all time, his routines at the O when he posed to different Creed songs were fucking epic

[Miami Muscle]

one of the best

[Goodfellas]

this will get ripped down by the end of the day

lol yeah Daves thread are always deleted

[LIQUIDEX]

Kevin wasn't clear on how he would run his low carb dieting, is it 2months strait fish, or 5,6,14 days...did he have regular refeeds/cabups...plus, not everybody Dave trains and diets is on low carb, some people just don't respond well to low carb...plus i don't understand how you can keep up intensity when weightlifting is primarily an anaerobic activity...i think people on low carbs, eat a ton of protein which converts to glucose n aids in the process, but even with that it still doesn't provide adequate intensity...

lol...while editing this post, i realized i may be talking unnecessary shit...wtv i'll post it either way........

[Taylor Normandeau]

Kevin wasn't clear on how he would run his low carb dieting, is it 2months strait fish, or 5,6,14 days...did he have regular refeeds/cabups...plus, not everybody Dave trains and diets is on low carb, some people just don't respond well to low carb...plus i don't understand how you can keep up intensity when weightlifting is primarily an anaerobic activity...i think people on low carbs, eat a ton of protein which converts to glucose n aids in the process, but even with that it still doesn't provide adequate intensity...

lol...while editing this post, i realized i may be talking unnecessary shit...wtv i'll post it either way........

Huh?

[Carnivore]

Here's the link to that show:

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Amazing physiques... Wish I was old enough to experience those days. Too bad I was all of 9 years old at the time!

[LIQUIDEX]

Huh?

gluconeogenesis, u should look it up bud

[Taylor Normandeau]

gluconeogenesis, u should look it up bud

I appreciate your condescending tone.

:hmn:

[LIQUIDEX]

lol...my bad

[The Big Sexy]

gluconeogenesis, u should look it up bud

whole protein converts at such a slow rate it is unlikely to really cause any problems or even energy spike. At least, this is what I have always believed.

[Taylor Normandeau]

lol...my bad

It's okay I like to be made look like a fool. No hard feelings hahaha.


I was just curious as to learning what exactly you meant and then I just read all about it and have furthered my education. I am now 5% less retarded. Thank you.

[LIQUIDEX]

were all retarded one way or another..........

-COMEDY BREAK-
was browsing the forums the other day, came across this pic, it made me laugh silly for 2min straight......FYI....i'm not racist

[Taylor Normandeau]

Hahahahaahahahahahahahha awesome.

[zubbeyboy]

That was one of the best videos ive seen in a while. Levrone tellin it like it is!!! Much respect Kevin

[The Big Sexy]

That was one of the best videos ive seen in a while. Levrone tellin it like it is!!! Much respect Kevin

Agreed. And your fucking Abs look RAHTARDED in your avatar bro. DAMN!

[Taylor Normandeau]

Agreed. And your fucking Abs look RAHTARDED in your avatar bro. DAMN!

Yeah, quite the "SITUATION" you have on your hands there..........!!


Fuck I hate myself, I'm so sorry. Someone ban me

[Carolyn Bryant]

I agree with everything Levrone said. I have been thinking the exact same thing for a few years now. The top 6-10 bodybuilders from the 90s are simply better than todays top group, outside of perhaps Jay and that includes size. I mean the only reason guys are 10-15lbs bigger today is lack of being in shape (relative to the 90s) and too much insulin or something. I think Levrone, Wheeler, Coleman, Yates, Nasser, Dillett, Ruhl, Francios etc.. would beat everyone today. You cant say that about any other decade. I mean the 70s guys were better than the 60s the 80s better than the 70s and the 90s better than the 80s, but after about 2000 or so it has regressed. That includes the national level as well. I saw a thread on MD about Centopani being similar to Levrone in soulder and trap development and thought hey maybe so. Then I saw a picture of Levrone from around 97 and it was NO contest. Levrone smokes him big time.

This! Please put it on a billboard.

[MattyH7688]

I agree with everything Levrone said. I have been thinking the exact same thing for a few years now. The top 6-10 bodybuilders from the 90s are simply better than todays top group, outside of perhaps Jay and that includes size. I mean the only reason guys are 10-15lbs bigger today is lack of being in shape (relative to the 90s) and too much insulin or something. I think Levrone, Wheeler, Coleman, Yates, Nasser, Dillett, Ruhl, Francios etc.. would beat everyone today. You cant say that about any other decade. I mean the 70s guys were better than the 60s the 80s better than the 70s and the 90s better than the 80s, but after about 2000 or so it has regressed. That includes the national level as well. I saw a thread on MD about Centopani being similar to Levrone in soulder and trap development and thought hey maybe so. Then I saw a picture of Levrone from around 97 and it was NO contest. Levrone smokes him big time.
lol none of those guys(outside of maybe coleman a few times and yates) come in as hard as branch or phil heath does. Dillet and Wheeler almost never came into shape. Jay Cutler in 2007 would have made them look fat at most of their shows. LOL at even listing Ruhl and Francois. You are really grasping for straws.

Just because they had better lighting in some old school shitty quality video, where you can't see the detail as well.. doesn't mean they were ever harder.

please show me a pic of flex wheeler with this amount of detail in his glutes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezIfB3E_90w/TRIrhdsb0iI/AAAAAAAAP38/t3wRaCW_fbw/s1600/95434.jpg

[Hydroshake]

I agree with everything Levrone said. I have been thinking the exact same thing for a few years now. The top 6-10 bodybuilders from the 90s are simply better than todays top group, outside of perhaps Jay and that includes size. I mean the only reason guys are 10-15lbs bigger today is lack of being in shape (relative to the 90s) and too much insulin or something. I think Levrone, Wheeler, Coleman, Yates, Nasser, Dillett, Ruhl, Francios etc.. would beat everyone today. You cant say that about any other decade. I mean the 70s guys were better than the 60s the 80s better than the 70s and the 90s better than the 80s, but after about 2000 or so it has regressed. That includes the national level as well. I saw a thread on MD about Centopani being similar to Levrone in soulder and trap development and thought hey maybe so. Then I saw a picture of Levrone from around 97 and it was NO contest. Levrone smokes him big time.

more aesthetic does not mean more conditioned.
the bigger you are, the harder it is to get to 100% conditioned.
andreas munzer was probably the only guy who came in more conditioned while being flat as a pancake than the top pros today.

dexter/phil/branch at the past olympia destroys any of those names you mentioned in conditioning/fullness/hardness.

[Diggy]

were all retarded one way or another..........

-COMEDY BREAK-
was browsing the forums the other day, came across this pic, it made me laugh silly for 2min straight......FYI....i'm not racist

shit has me rolling right now, so random

[simeon]

I doubt the guys back then were taking long acting insulin and wearing diabetic bracelets just in case something doesn't go right. IDK, the peptides are a much bigger thing these days. Flex mentioned 4ius of HGH. LOL! That would be laughable nowdays a the top of the top. Levrone would wipe the floor with the guys at the Arnold this year.

[pinnacle]

lol none of those guys(outside of maybe coleman a few times and yates) come in as hard as branch or phil heath does. Dillet and Wheeler almost never came into shape. Jay Cutler in 2007 would have made them look fat at most of their shows. LOL at even listing Ruhl and Francois. You are really grasping for straws.

Just because they had better lighting in some old school shitty quality video, where you can't see the detail as well.. doesn't mean they were ever harder.

please show me a pic of flex wheeler with this amount of detail in his glutes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezIfB3E_90w/TRIrhdsb0iI/AAAAAAAAP38/t3wRaCW_fbw/s1600/95434.jpg

Go back and watch the shows, or even look at pictures. You can see it at the national level as well. I will give you Heath. He comes in to most shows in great shape. I think he should be Mr. Olympia right now based on all judging criteria. I was mentioning guys like Ruhl and Nasser for size comparisons as well not necessarily for getting in great shape. Just listen to what Levrone says and then watch old contests from the mid 90s. Top to bottom when you consider all aspects of being a great bodybuilder (size, shape, symetry, and condition) the top 6 or so from the mid 90s are better then todays guys.

[GottaGetLean]

Go back and watch the shows, or even look at pictures. You can see it at the national level as well. I will give you Heath. He comes in to most shows in great shape. I think he should be Mr. Olympia right now based on all judging criteria. I was mentioning guys like Ruhl and Nasser for size comparisons as well not necessarily for getting in great shape. Just listen to what Levrone says and then watch old contests from the mid 90s. Top to bottom when you consider all aspects of being a great bodybuilder (size, shape, symetry, and condition) the top 6 or so from the mid 90s are better then todays guys.

So post pics of your top 6 from the 90s and some1 post the top 6 from today. I don't think any1s beating thar Heath pic from the 90s lol

[pinnacle]

more aesthetic does not mean more conditioned.
the bigger you are, the harder it is to get to 100% conditioned.
andreas munzer was probably the only guy who came in more conditioned while being flat as a pancake than the top pros today.

dexter/phil/branch at the past olympia destroys any of those names you mentioned in conditioning/fullness/hardness.


Branch warren beats Dorian yates in hardness and condition? He beats Ronnie 98 or 99 in those areas? Go back and watch the old contets. We forget what these guys look like because there photos and videos are not plastered in the magazines and on the internet like they were 10 yrs ago. I forget as well and then I go take a look and ask it comes back to me quick. And the bigger you are does not always mean the harder it is to get in shape. In fact I would argue it gets easier the more muscle you carry. What gets guys today is not wanting to diet completely down in fear of losing muscle or fullness.

[Hydroshake]

Branch warren beats Dorian yates in hardness and condition? He beats Ronnie 98 or 99 in those areas? Go back and watch the old contets. We forget what these guys look like because there photos and videos are not plastered in the magazines and on the internet like they were 10 yrs ago. I forget as well and then I go take a look and ask it comes back to me quick. And the bigger you are does not always mean the harder it is to get in shape. In fact I would argue it gets easier the more muscle you carry. What gets guys today is not wanting to diet completely down in fear of losing muscle or fullness.

yes, branch warren condition/hardness wise at his best edges out or at least matches dorian yates. but overall physique, dorian obviously beats branch
bringing ronnie coleman into any bodybuilding debate is unfair due to the fact that he's the freakin' GOAT, which is why i ignored it when you mentioned it in your initial post.

also,
are you saying that cutler and kai can get in shape easier than me or you provided that we use the same drugs?
sorry, i don't believe that one bit.

[Taylor Normandeau]

Phil Heath is the only one who I think would give the 90's dudes a run for their money. I don't really understand how he isn't Mr.Olympia, the man represents what bodybuilding should be. And fuck the "narrow'" shit, his shoulders are so fucking huge now his genetic structure isn't a factor.

[pinnacle]

yes, branch warren condition/hardness wise at his best edges out or at least matches dorian yates. but overall physique, dorian obviously beats branch
bringing ronnie coleman into any bodybuilding debate is unfair due to the fact that he's the freakin' GOAT, which is why i ignored it when you mentioned it in your initial post.

also,
are you saying that cutler and kai can get in shape easier than me or you provided that we use the same drugs?
sorry, i don't believe that one bit.

Branch is close but not there compared to Dorian. He is not matching or beating him. And even he is still not nearly as dry. And Branch is one of if not the best conditioned on stage today. And yes it is easier for Jay or Kai to get in super lean conditon then you are I or at least as easy. When you are that heavily muscled it is almost impossible to gain bodyfat and very easy to burn off whatever you have (compared to more average normal muscled people)

[The Big Sexy]

Fish last two months huh? Damn. I think I do fish for 3-4 meals out of 8 of the day. EIGHT Fish meals? I need to suffer more! LOL

[mrmister]

lol none of those guys(outside of maybe coleman a few times and yates) come in as hard as branch or phil heath does. Dillet and Wheeler almost never came into shape. Jay Cutler in 2007 would have made them look fat at most of their shows. LOL at even listing Ruhl and Francois. You are really grasping for straws.

Just because they had better lighting in some old school shitty quality video, where you can't see the detail as well.. doesn't mean they were ever harder.

please show me a pic of flex wheeler with this amount of detail in his glutes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezIfB3E_90w/TRIrhdsb0iI/AAAAAAAAP38/t3wRaCW_fbw/s1600/95434.jpgnobody cared for mens asses except for women and gays during the 90s

[flexingtonsteele]

So post pics of your top 6 from the 90s and some1 post the top 6 from today. I don't think any1s beating thar Heath pic from the 90s lol

Phil heath wouldnt have been top 10 at the olympia in the 90's bro.

None of these guys who competed this weekend at the arnold would have been either.

The guys in the 90's had a different level of conditioning and overall presentation. Its barely the same thing anymore.

[GottaGetLean]

Phil heath wouldnt have been top 10 at the olympia in the 90's bro.

thats a strong statement, and i would have to say honestly, your out of your fucking mind lol il give u a second to rethink what you just said.

[flexingtonsteele]

thats a strong statement, and i would have to say honestly, your out of your fucking mind lol il give u a second to rethink what you just said.

You dont have to give me anytime.

Branch Warren winning the Arnold should be a sign of how far bodybuilding has fallen.

Look at Victor. His best conditioning was in 2003. Even when he placed 2nd at the olympia and should have beaten Jay his condition wasnt that great. But yet he placed 3rd at this show looking soft with fat still on his physique.

[flexingtonsteele]

Here Shawn Ray blows away any condition that anyone in the arnold or past years olympia had.

Took me a 10 second google search to find this pic.

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/1/0/1048146.1146878279400.ray.JPG

Look at the shoulders and how deep the thigh seperation is. He looks damn near skinless. Look at the tight waist WITHOUT the bloated insulin obliques.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/a6N4fJS6vGQ/0.jpg

[flexingtonsteele]

lol none of those guys(outside of maybe coleman a few times and yates) come in as hard as branch or phil heath does. Dillet and Wheeler almost never came into shape. Jay Cutler in 2007 would have made them look fat at most of their shows. LOL at even listing Ruhl and Francois. You are really grasping for straws.

Just because they had better lighting in some old school shitty quality video, where you can't see the detail as well.. doesn't mean they were ever harder.

please show me a pic of flex wheeler with this amount of detail in his glutes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezIfB3E_90w/TRIrhdsb0iI/AAAAAAAAP38/t3wRaCW_fbw/s1600/95434.jpg

End of Conversation. No one nowadays has glutes like this.

And thats all bodybuilders now have is ripped glutes. There are no shoulder striations, no striations in anyones chest or triceps. Thighs are barely seperated.

Its pitiful.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5011/111503995278gw2.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/i/111503995278gw2.jpg/)

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Found your flex wheeler comparison for you. Look at the tiny'r waist, more detailed lower back, and harder overall physique. See the detail in the shoulders, rear delts and triceps that phil heath doesnt have. Its night and day. It wasnt a glute contest in the 90's like it was now. But look at the xmas tree, guys nowadays dont have that because they dont get lean enough to show it.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6436/19414260sl6.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/i/19414260sl6.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Taylor Normandeau]

Phil heath wouldnt have been top 10 at the olympia in the 90's bro.

None of these guys who competed this weekend at the arnold would have been either.

The guys in the 90's had a different level of conditioning and overall presentation. Its barely the same thing anymore.

Top 10? you're high. Maybe not top 4 or 5, on the BEST years, but 10? FALSE.

[Taylor Normandeau]

I do agree that this glute fascination is mad gay and I have no idea how it became the main judging criteria. Bring back the old arnold trunks, I don't give a fuck what the dudes ass looks like.

[GottaGetLean]

You dont have to give me anytime.

Branch Warren winning the Arnold should be a sign of how far bodybuilding has fallen.

Look at Victor. His best conditioning was in 2003. Even when he placed 2nd at the olympia and should have beaten Jay his condition wasnt that great. But yet he placed 3rd at this show looking soft with fat still on his physique.

branch warren is a great bodybuilder so i dont know how mentioning him is supposed to mean anything. Also to say phil heath wouldnt place in the top 10 in the 90s just shows me your knowledge when it comes to bodybuilding, little to none id say. Not only do i think Phil would place in the top top in almost all of the 90s olympias but id say even win the majority. 1990-1997 Heath definatly has a strong chance to win if not place 2nd to dorian. Then coleman of course would get 98/99 and phil 2nd. Nobody from 1990-1997 dominates phils pic that was posted here not even dorian.

[flexingtonsteele]

branch warren is a great bodybuilder so i dont know how mentioning him is supposed to mean anything. Also to say phil heath wouldnt place in the top 10 in the 90s just shows me your knowledge when it comes to bodybuilding, little to none id say. Not only do i think Phil would place in the top top in almost all of the 90s olympias but id say even win the majority. 1990-1997 Heath definatly has a strong chance to win if not place 2nd to dorian. Then coleman of course would get 98/99 and phil 2nd. Nobody from 1990-1997 dominates phils pic that was posted here not even dorian.

BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Phil Heath doesnt hold a candle to Levrone, Wheeler,Ray,Ronnie,Dorian,Cormier etc.......They were all much much better bro.

[GottaGetLean]

End of Conversation. No one nowadays has glutes like this.

And thats all bodybuilders now have is ripped glutes. There are no shoulder striations, no striations in anyones chest or triceps. Thighs are barely seperated.

Its pitiful.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5011/111503995278gw2.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/i/111503995278gw2.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Found your flex wheeler comparison for you. Look at the tiny'r waist, more detailed lower back, and harder overall physique. See the detail in the shoulders, rear delts and triceps that phil heath doesnt have. Its night and day. It wasnt a glute contest in the 90's like it was now. But look at the xmas tree, guys nowadays dont have that because they dont get lean enough to show it.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6436/19414260sl6.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/i/19414260sl6.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Sorry buddy i think phil takes the win vs flex wheeler pic easily.

[flexingtonsteele]

Top 10? you're high. Maybe not top 4 or 5, on the BEST years, but 10? FALSE.

He doesnt have the quality bro.

Ok maybe top 10...Like 10th thats the best he'd do.

Did you see the interview Palumbo did with Levrone and he said he flex wheeler and kevin levrone competed today theyd win EVERY show. He wasnt kissing his ass he was telling the truth.

Nobody in that arnold classic top 5 this weekend would have been top 5 at any of the arnolds in the 90's.

[Taylor Normandeau]

He doesnt have the quality bro.

Ok maybe top 10...Like 10th thats the best he'd do.

Did you see the interview Palumbo did with Levrone and he said he flex wheeler and kevin levrone competed today theyd win EVERY show. He wasnt kissing his ass he was telling the truth.

Nobody in that arnold classic top 5 this weekend would have been top 5 at any of the arnolds in the 90's.

I agree with you on all of these points. But Heath smokes everyone else today, and I think he's the only pro who would be landing top 6 back then. so I agree everyone today ain't got shit on Levrone or Wheeler, but I disagree that Heath would be getting dummied, he would be up there somewhere.

[GottaGetLean]

He doesnt have the quality bro.

Ok maybe top 10...Like 10th thats the best he'd do.

Did you see the interview Palumbo did with Levrone and he said he flex wheeler and kevin levrone competed today theyd win EVERY show. He wasnt kissing his ass he was telling the truth.

Nobody in that arnold classic top 5 this weekend would have been top 5 at any of the arnolds in the 90's.

Are u looking at the same phil heath?:confused:

[Maryland Muscle]

Sorry buddy i think phil takes the win vs flex wheeler pic easily.

Thats one shot. From the front phils structural flaws would be exposed. Flex 1993 Arnold would destroy phil.

[flexingtonsteele]

The quality of conditioning at the nationals in the 90's was better then the pro's are now.

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[GottaGetLean]

YouTube - Phil Heath 2010 Arnold Classic Prejudging this is the same guy u think would struggle to place 10th in the 90s? lol somethings got to be wrong with u lmao

[Taylor Normandeau]

Phil's legs are better than those dudes though for sure. Not calves.

[flexingtonsteele]

Thats one shot. From the front phils structural flaws would be exposed. Flex 1993 Arnold would destroy phil.

Any Flex beats Phil.

Even in that shot I post in that muddy pic flex OWNS phil.

People now dont know what to look for, they just look at guys asses to access how inshape they were.

[Taylor Normandeau]

YouTube - Phil Heath 2010 Arnold Classic Prejudging (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PABWoHioVw&feature=player_embedded) this is the same guy u think would struggle to place 10th in the 90s? lol somethings got to be wrong with u lmao

Yeah he looks fucking insane there. Not top 10 in 90's? That isn't even opinion, just wrong haha.,

[GottaGetLean]

Thats one shot. From the front phils structural flaws would be exposed. Flex 1993 Arnold would destroy phil.

93 was flex's best year and it wouldnt destroy him, lets say it would challenge him.

[GottaGetLean]

He looked even better at the Olympia in my opinion.

exactly thats y to say he wouldnt place well in the 90s is nuts, i have this phil from the arnold 2010 easily placing top 3 if not winning in the 90s.

[Taylor Normandeau]

exactly thats y to say he wouldnt place well in the 90s is nuts, i have this phil from the arnold 2010 easily placing top 3 if not winning in the 90s.

I can't say for sure, as I am a believer that the 90's dudes crush today's crop, but Heath would be up there in the mix somewhere, he is the pinnacle of modern bodybuilding.

[Taylor Normandeau]

And if Heath doesn't look better YET, I have a feeling he will soon haha.

[Taylor Normandeau]

The quality of conditioning at the nationals in the 90's was better then the pro's are now.

OSPiIwX9a-w&feature=related

No one in that video impressed me, sorry. Not denying what you're saying but that video sucked.

[flexingtonsteele]

http://www.ebodybuilding.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/PhilHeath1.jpg

Phil is one of the best bodybuilders today.

But you gotta be kidding me if you think thats a "shredded" physique.

Its not even close.

[flexingtonsteele]

exactly thats y to say he wouldnt place well in the 90s is nuts, i have this phil from the arnold 2010 easily placing top 3 if not winning in the 90s.

Phil Heath wouldnt have won the san francisco pro in the 90's.

[MattyH7688]

shredded freaks of the 90s!!! the 90s are a perfect example of guys with tremendous genetic potential that shit the bed with laziness. Dorian did not have the best genetics out of most of the top guys, but he owned the fuck out of them because he worked so much harder.

http://www.bodybuilder.ro/gallery/thebest/Flex%20Wheeler%2002.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3623/pdillet2xk5.jpg

[Daniel]

Kevin wasn't clear on how he would run his low carb dieting, is it 2months strait fish, or 5,6,14 days...did he have regular refeeds/cabups...plus, not everybody Dave trains and diets is on low carb, some people just don't respond well to low carb...plus i don't understand how you can keep up intensity when weightlifting is primarily an anaerobic activity...i think people on low carbs, eat a ton of protein which converts to glucose n aids in the process, but even with that it still doesn't provide adequate intensity...

lol...while editing this post, i realized i may be talking unnecessary shit...wtv i'll post it either way........

It was pretty well covered in his M3 DVD...
He was eating only beef, chicken, fish, rice, potatoes, greens...5lbs meats and fosh total a day, carbs varied, when the dvd was filmed (it was few week out of the Mr O) he was having 3-4 carb meals and 2-3 fish/greens meals
His refeed/carbup/cheat meal was beef+rice meal at night from time to time

[Taylor Normandeau]

Phil Heath wouldnt have won the san francisco pro in the 90's.

......................Okay now you're bordering on absurd territory.

[flexingtonsteele]

Ask someone on this board who knows what their talking about like Aceto or Palumbo and they'll tell you which generation had the better bodybuilders.

[barbellman]

I have no dog in this fight

but

I haven't seen anyone look like kevin levrone does in this video in a very long time

what is it the current pros of today have said..."oh its not a conditioning contest" :no:

VhS0KiZOaOU

[JohnnyStyles]

Just hate this..oh ripped glutes judging...Bah...

But oh well.... I remember Lee Priest talking about this too...How he came super shredded but never dialed glutes...and still won shows.

[Curt James]

I do agree that this glute fascination is mad gay and I have no idea how it became the main judging criteria. Bring back the old arnold trunks, I don't give a fuck what the dudes ass looks like.

Gaspari.

He brought that level of conditioning and it got the attention of the judges. Noting that, Gaspari had his trunks tapered or cut to show off his glutes. :dunno:

I saw it either on a random YouTube or on Gaspari Nutrition's website somewhere.

[Hydroshake]

what is it the current pros of today have said..."oh its not a conditioning contest" :no:
if they believed that, everyone should just show up in offseason condition.
LOL

[MattyH7688]

Just hate this..oh ripped glutes judging...Bah...

But oh well.... I remember Lee Priest talking about this too...How he came super shredded but never dialed glutes...and still won shows.

umm he won the 2002 San Fransico pro(lmao) and that was it. Lee Priest didn't win shows, so just stop.

Most overrated pro of all time.

[47ronin]

I agree with everything Levrone said. I have been thinking the exact same thing for a few years now. The top 6-10 bodybuilders from the 90s are simply better than todays top group, outside of perhaps Jay and that includes size. I mean the only reason guys are 10-15lbs bigger today is lack of being in shape (relative to the 90s) and too much insulin or something. I think Levrone, Wheeler, Coleman, Yates, Nasser, Dillett, Ruhl, Francios etc.. would beat everyone today. You cant say that about any other decade. I mean the 70s guys were better than the 60s the 80s better than the 70s and the 90s better than the 80s, but after about 2000 or so it has regressed. That includes the national level as well. I saw a thread on MD about Centopani being similar to Levrone in soulder and trap development and thought hey maybe so. Then I saw a picture of Levrone from around 97 and it was NO contest. Levrone smokes him big time.

Silly you, it's the large amounts of food they eat that pushes their guts out an extra 6 to 8 inches- not insulin. Even Dave said so...

[GottaGetLean]

umm he won the 2002 San Fransico pro(lmao) and that was it. Lee Priest didn't win shows, so just stop.

Most overrated pro of all time.

x2.

[barbellman]

if they believed that, everyone should just show up in offseason condition.
LOL



They do ;)

[Taylor Normandeau]

They do ;)

Zing!

[Taylor Normandeau]

Ask someone on this board who knows what their talking about like Aceto or Palumbo and they'll tell you which generation had the better bodybuilders.

I don't really know if that is the arguement, the arguement is that Heath would be getting schooled and not even in the top 6 at the big shows in the 90's.

Any sane man would have to admit the top 5 dudes in the 90's were better than now.

[Taylor Normandeau]

I have no dog in this fight

but

I haven't seen anyone look like kevin levrone does in this video in a very long time

what is it the current pros of today have said..."oh its not a conditioning contest" :no:

VhS0KiZOaOU

That video is probably the best display of bb domination ever.

[joe-ali]

Hahaha I am a huge 90's bb fan, but no way in hell were they coming in in better condition now! Only ur top 6 in olympia and arnold even had glutes. Flex never had them. Heath would beat flex wheeler in any pose!

Even my favorite bber dorian yates loses in condition to guys now. Also bbers back then relyed much heavier on diaretics then now. I know dave will back me on this.

Look at all the diarectic issues with nasser, flex, dillet, munzer(rip) benziza(rip).

I truly luv the 90's for bb but they just looked cleaner and their bodies flowed better than now, not better condiitioned.

[JUSTINIAN]

I like Kevin....he is a very cool guy....but i really have no idea why everyone is jumping on the bandwagon here on this thread........what are you telling me that Evan wasn't shredded for this years arnold?....because if so then thats a load of horseshit!....he was ripped....i was sitting front row and saw....was Branch as good as Levrone and Wheeler were back then?...NO......but is Phil Heath maybe as good? YES....was Kai in 2009 as good or maybe better?....Yes....they couldnt hng with Kai's Wheels....so its all relative....was quality down just a bit this year?....maybe...but MOST of all from back then the biggest difference is in the presentation....who had the best routine thos year?...Wolf??......if the IFBB doesnt start judging the routines they will bore all the fans away :-/

[joe d]

whole protein converts at such a slow rate it is unlikely to really cause any problems or even energy spike. At least, this is what I have always believed.

it isnt much at all.

[KEVDIESEL]

great interview, todays pros can't touch the guys from the 90's. everything from conditioning to presentation. those guys made the sport interesting and showing up at a contest out of shape was a lot less likely. nowadays it happens too often. we get hyped for a show that has what should be an awesome lineup and then many guys are off.
sure we can dig up pics and make comparisons of a specific athlete but the majority of the 90 crew were always in shape.

[BABABOOEY]

back in my day...........

[Dee]

flex never came in shape???
http://idaimakaya.com/images/Flex%20Wheeler%20-%20Bodybuilding%20Peak.jpg

[Triple-H_2005]

I gotta believe something with slin or some drug is blurring conditioning these days. Obviously guys are still dieting and and coming in lean but it just doesn't' show like it did back in the day. In pictures I can't even see striation sometimes. It's got to be there though if you're 4-5%.

I can't remember who it was, but someone Dave interviewed talked about this...Connelley, maybe?

Anyway, they talked about the way that insulin and peptides affect fat storage, causing intramuscular fat storage. Regardless of how low the subcutaneous fat may be, definition will be blurred and separations obscured.

Late 80s -early 90s physiques rule.

[Triple-H_2005]

lol none of those guys(outside of maybe coleman a few times and yates) come in as hard as branch or phil heath does. Dillet and Wheeler almost never came into shape. Jay Cutler in 2007 would have made them look fat at most of their shows. LOL at even listing Ruhl and Francois. You are really grasping for straws.

Just because they had better lighting in some old school shitty quality video, where you can't see the detail as well.. doesn't mean they were ever harder.

please show me a pic of flex wheeler with this amount of detail in his glutes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezIfB3E_90w/TRIrhdsb0iI/AAAAAAAAP38/t3wRaCW_fbw/s1600/95434.jpg

I would put the 1993 ASC version of Flex against most anyone today in terms of splintered conditioning...

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/8/3/834096.1133284186862.FlexKneelingBDB.jpg

[MattyH7688]

I would put the 1993 ASC version of Flex against most anyone today in terms of splintered conditioning...

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/8/3/834096.1133284186862.FlexKneelingBDB.jpg

lol at using an edited photo in perfect lighting to compare to a typical on stage shot

btw, flex never showed up anywhere like that again. He pissed away his potential to be the greatest of all time.

[ThePoser]

a wise man once said....


"If arnold could comeback and win these shows it literally means bodybuilding has stood still for 5 years"



He did, bodybuilding has been frozen for 13+ yrs in its current state aka decay

This quote is from The Comeback.

Bill Pearl said it, but if you watch it 100 times or more, you will realize that he says:"If arnold could comeback and win these shows it literally means bodybuilding has stood still for 5 years.................This in my opinion is just not true!!"

[Triple-H_2005]

lol at using an edited photo in perfect lighting to compare to a typical on stage shot

btw, flex never showed up anywhere like that again. He pissed away his potential to be the greatest of all time.

Regardless of lighting, the glutes in 1993 were ripped at both the Ironman and ASC.

I never said anything about a post-1993 Flex.

And that's not an edited photo. It's a scan from the Flex magazine that had that year's ASC report...long before photoshop could make anything believable.

And whatever the case, Flex from the waist up trounced Heath from the back in 93 and 00 (maybe? I can't remember which year his last ACS was...)

[george94tt]

YouTube - The Arnold Classic 1996/ Kevin Levrone



This lineup was one of the sickest ever. Kevin is my favorite BB of all time, but Flex may have had him here.

[Growin24/7]

Regardless of lighting, the glutes in 1993 were ripped at both the Ironman and ASC.

I never said anything about a post-1993 Flex.

And that's not an edited photo. It's a scan from the Flex magazine that had that year's ASC report...long before photoshop could make anything believable.

And whatever the case, Flex from the waist up trounced Heath from the back in 93 and 00 (maybe? I can't remember which year his last ACS was...)

Agreed!

[47ronin]

Ask someone on this board who knows what their talking about like Aceto or Palumbo and they'll tell you which generation had the better bodybuilders.

Everybody thinks their generation was the best- especially the older guys.

[Dre23]

lol none of those guys(outside of maybe coleman a few times and yates) come in as hard as branch or phil heath does. Dillet and Wheeler almost never came into shape. Jay Cutler in 2007 would have made them look fat at most of their shows. LOL at even listing Ruhl and Francois. You are really grasping for straws.

Just because they had better lighting in some old school shitty quality video, where you can't see the detail as well.. doesn't mean they were ever harder.

please show me a pic of flex wheeler with this amount of detail in his glutes
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ezIfB3E_90w/TRIrhdsb0iI/AAAAAAAAP38/t3wRaCW_fbw/s1600/95434.jpg


Matty, maybe not in the glutes, but the 90's guys's skin was almost translucent and just so thin. Even when the guys today are in shape, their skin does not seem to have this thinness or graininess going on. IMO, this has to do w/overdoing the insulin. Here is a pic that I found of Wheeler and while granted, you can't see all his glutes (although you can see some striations there) just look at his skin and it's detail in the back and IMO this attribute even beats the pic that you posted.

http://www.anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/flex-wheeler.jpg

[peteacher]

if someone asked me to name the greatest physique of all time i would say flex wheeler 1993 arnold classic

[5 Grams year round baby]

Kevin levrone will always have one of my favorite physiques ever, his delts and triceps looked insane

[thachozenonebx]

Ask someone on this board who knows what their talking about like Aceto or Palumbo and they'll tell you which generation had the better bodybuilders.

agreed

90s bodybuilder> than the modern day bodybuilder

i cant believe this is being debated

fuck Mike Francois would smoke the majority of the current crop of bodybuilders

bodybuilding isnt GLUTEmania- if that were the case Palumbo would be the best bodybuilder of all time

[Dee]

agreed

90s bodybuilder> than the modern day bodybuilder

i cant believe this is being debated

fuck Mike Francois would smoke the majority of the current crop of bodybuilders

bodybuilding isnt GLUTEmania- if that were the case Palumbo would be the best bodybuilder of all time

yup.....or Rich Gaspari.
http://forum.bodybuilding.gr/attachment.php?attachmentid=9864&stc=1&d=1268842453

[flexingtonsteele]

Everybody thinks their generation was the best- especially the older guys.

Im 28.....

So this would be considered "my" generation since I was only a teen in the 90's (late 90's at that ).

I just know quality when I see it.

[flexingtonsteele]

agreed

90s bodybuilder> than the modern day bodybuilder

i cant believe this is being debated

fuck Mike Francois would smoke the majority of the current crop of bodybuilders

bodybuilding isnt GLUTEmania- if that were the case Palumbo would be the best bodybuilder of all time

I know I cant believe it either.

Honestly most people dont even know what good conditioning is because all they've seen is the watered down version of bodybuilding that we've had in the past 10 years.

They think that a guy is in shape if his ass is striated lol.

Most of the guys in the 90's were way more conditioned then guys now. They just werent squeezing their ass cheeks as hard as they could to show off their asses like guys do now since bodybuilding wasnt a ripped ass contest like its turned into in the past 6 or 7 years.

[thachozenonebx]

I know I cant believe it either.

Honestly most people dont even know what good conditioning is because all they've seen is the watered down version of bodybuilding that we've had in the past 10 years.

They think that a guy is in shape if his ass is striated lol.

Most of the guys in the 90's were way more conditioned then guys now. They just werent squeezing their ass cheeks as hard as they could to show off their asses like guys do now since bodybuilding wasnt a ripped ass contest like its turned into in the past 6 or 7 years.


not only the conditioning but the muscle quality..i think like most art forms, overtime the landscape becomes over saturated ala music...there are alot of pro bodybuilders that SHOULDNT be. Alot of guys have good physiques but not to the level that existed in the 90s...the only area that the current bodybuilder wins is legs/hamstrings

[flexingtonsteele]

not only the conditioning but the muscle quality..i think like most art forms, overtime the landscape becomes over saturated ala music...there are alot of pro bodybuilders that SHOULDNT be. Alot of guys have good physiques but not to the level that existed in the 90s...the only area that the current bodybuilder wins is legs/hamstrings

Bodybuilders now are bigger but not better.

That is for sure.

[MattyH7688]

I know I cant believe it either.

Honestly most people dont even know what good conditioning is because all they've seen is the watered down version of bodybuilding that we've had in the past 10 years.

They think that a guy is in shape if his ass is striated lol.

Most of the guys in the 90's were way more conditioned then guys now. They just werent squeezing their ass cheeks as hard as they could to show off their asses like guys do now since bodybuilding wasnt a ripped ass contest like its turned into in the past 6 or 7 years.

What is good conditioning? Extreme diuretic abuse?

Most people, the glutes are the VERY last thing to come in(I know there are exceptions), if they are not lean then how can you say that someone is conditioned.

I will gladly say the 90s bodybuilders probably had better genetics and a more aesthetic look, but they were not more conditioned. If you can't have striated glutes in some awesome lighting they had, then they plain just weren't lean as you think.

[thachozenonebx]

What is good conditioning? Extreme diuretic abuse?

Most people, the glutes are the VERY last thing to come in(I know there are exceptions), if they are not lean then how can you say that someone is conditioned.

I will gladly say the 90s bodybuilders probably had better genetics and a more aesthetic look, but they were not more conditioned. If you can't have striated glutes in some awesome lighting they had, then they plain just weren't lean as you think.


lean glutes= higher dosages of GH

[JacksonRose]

You are all ignorant. It's not the conditioning, it's the OIL and the INSULIN.

The body fat levels are better than ever. It's all the synthol and insulin fuck ups that give today's lool. Lol at people referring to the "dieting" and "suffering"

[D_T]

Renel Janvier, one of the first ever to display striated glutes. Pro in the 90's.

http://www.laijs.com/photo/data/media/6/janvie01.jpg

[Triple-H_2005]

You are all ignorant. It's not the conditioning, it's the OIL and the INSULIN.

The body fat levels are better than ever. It's all the synthol and insulin fuck ups that give today's lool. Lol at people referring to the "dieting" and "suffering"

Like I said...


I can't remember who it was, but someone Dave interviewed talked about this...Connelley, maybe?

Anyway, they talked about the way that insulin and peptides affect fat storage, causing intramuscular fat storage. Regardless of how low the subcutaneous fat may be, definition will be blurred and separations obscured.

Late 80s -early 90s physiques rule.

[JacksonRose]

I like Kevin....he is a very cool guy....but i really have no idea why everyone is jumping on the bandwagon here on this thread........what are you telling me that Evan wasn't shredded for this years arnold


You are schmoeing Evan too hard. Evan formerly had Rock Star good looks and wash board abs. He is beginning to facially change into Frankenstein and his block of a mid section resembles the Situation. It wouldn't suprise me if the striations on his glutes are stretch marks.

Evan has a chance to be a great Oolympian winner and model and spokesperson of the sport but his obsessive Troy Mclue behaviour regarding fish and over abuse of growth hormone are forcing the judges to reluctantly place him highly when in truth there is nothing more the judges and fans want then to embrace 2004 CEntopani as their god - not this Frankenstein ghoul he is changing into

[Jake DeMichele]

You know there's something wrong with bodybuilding when pro natty's come in leaner than IFBB pro's..

[Deano]

I've been on the scene a long time, and let me tell you, that you have got to have seen these guys in the flesh CLOSE UP (90's physiques) and not just pictures/photos from magazines. I can tell you a few stories from backstage where my jaw just hit the deck in awe at some of these specimens. A couple that still stick in my mind is when i saw a top British pro backstage chewing a piece of gum and i could see virtually every muscle within in his jaw line which was striated to fuck!!!! with eyes sunken in to their sockets. Unlike some of the bodybuilders today (not all but the majority) that seem to have fat bloated faces and some have even got double chins and are supposed to be in shape!!!!!! But the most memorable was when a top pro in the day stood in front of me, he was so sliced and diced that i could watch the blood in his veins circulate his body through his tissue paper skin! That's something you have to see to believe and something photos don't pick up. Nowadays I've seen guys backstage and sure they do look big but nothing seems to be happening with their physique, they just look like a blob, until they flex and only then do things start to happen but they still lack that fine etched finish to their physiques. Don't get me wrong, not all of today's bodybuilders express this condition, but it is common for the majority.

[Johnny Bravo]

umm he won the 2002 San Fransico pro(lmao) and that was it. Lee Priest didn't win shows, so just stop.

Most overrated pro of all time.

He won the Ironman in 2006. Also placed top 6 in most of the contests he entered.

[BC123Jm]

flex never came in shape???
http://idaimakaya.com/images/Flex%20Wheeler%20-%20Bodybuilding%20Peak.jpg


That is a damn near perfect physique right there.

[Medium Extreme]

He won the Ironman in 2006. Also placed top 6 in most of the contests he entered.


Lee also won the 2005 Aussie Grand prix. I think it was the san francisco pro 2002 were he beat chris cormier for the win. He also won that contest weighing 198 lbs.!!

[Johnny Bravo]

Lee also won the 2005 Aussie Grand prix. I think it was the san francisco pro 2002 were he beat chris cormier for the win. He also won that contest weighing 198 lbs.!!

Oh yeah forgot about the Aussie GP. Yes he beat Chris at that show.

[meizner]

I wish I could show this movie to all my friends to help them understand what I have to go through to become #1. Zero carb diets for the win! :cool:

[asdf]

Look at pj braun that guy comes in contest shape without a visible ab

[flexingtonsteele]

I've been on the scene a long time, and let me tell you, that you have got to have seen these guys in the flesh CLOSE UP (90's physiques) and not just pictures/photos from magazines. I can tell you a few stories from backstage where my jaw just hit the deck in awe at some of these specimens. A couple that still stick in my mind is when i saw a top British pro backstage chewing a piece of gum and i could see virtually every muscle within in his jaw line which was striated to fuck!!!! with eyes sunken in to their sockets. Unlike some of the bodybuilders today (not all but the majority) that seem to have fat bloated faces and some have even got double chins and are supposed to be in shape!!!!!! But the most memorable was when a top pro in the day stood in front of me, he was so sliced and diced that i could watch the blood in his veins circulate his body through his tissue paper skin! That's something you have to see to believe and something photos don't pick up. Nowadays I've seen guys backstage and sure they do look big but nothing seems to be happening with their physique, they just look like a blob, until they flex and only then do things start to happen but they still lack that fine etched finish to their physiques. Don't get me wrong, not all of today's bodybuilders express this condition, but it is common for the majority.

QFT!

I was talking to a guy at the arnold who's been around for awhile.

He was saying how the guys nowadays are barely in guest posing condition onstage nowadays.

Also he mentioned that you cant see in pictures what you can see onstage. Like for example he said when frank zane posed you could see the muscle fibers "dancing" underneath his skin. Thats how shredded he was. I know for a fact you couldnt see that on any of the guys nowadays.

[Kekoa]

Kevin was awesome. But I'm so sick and tire of hearing the guys in the '90's were so much better. In the '90's they said the guys in the '80's were better.

[LIQUIDEX]

FUCK......i can't remember the threads name, but it was posted a while ago comparing middle eastern bodybuilder n Americans, the bb from ME were fuckin ripped.......i'll try to look it up

[thachozenonebx]

FUCK......i can't remember the threads name, but it was posted a while ago comparing middle eastern bodybuilder n Americans, the bb from ME were fuckin ripped.......i'll try to look it up


that would be Hamadullah Aykutlu

[Triple-H_2005]

Kevin was awesome. But I'm so sick and tire of hearing the guys in the '90's were so much better. In the '90's they said the guys in the '80's were better.
Source?

Hm...I was awake for the majority of the 90s and don't remember ANYONE having this discussion re: 90s vs. 80s.

[Kekoa]

Lee Haney (criticizing Yates for waist and tats), Arnold (Lee Priest), Franco (Nasser "GH Gut"). There is a few.

[Triple-H_2005]

Lee Haney (criticizing Yates for waist and tats), Arnold (Lee Priest), Franco (Nasser "GH Gut"). There is a few.

Franco is a delusional old tit..he tried to say that his lat spread was better because there was "no space" between his arms and lats. Well, if Yates had put his hands at his belly button, he wouldn't have, either!:p

Anyway, there are always a few old-timers that think their era was better. That's not what I'm talking about. In the 90s, there weren't vast numbers of fans that believed (as a whole) that the bodies of the 80s were better. By 97, Nasser and Dorian's gut were out of control, but the bodies were still better, on the whole.

[ypmm5]

that would be Hamadullah Aykutlu

Aykutlu was one of the most shredded guys I have ever seen.
I think he may have dieted too much since he looked a bit stringy.
Still, I would award conditioning over mass and/or aesthetics unless you are a Phil Heath in which case you would come to a show in condition.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2453/hamxmastree5wf.jpg

[ypmm5]

that would be Hamadullah Aykutlu


Here is another pic of him.
http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/b/b/bb863-Hamdullah_Aykutlu_001%5B1%5D.jpg

[Triple-H_2005]

Yeah, Hamdullah was insane...

Even his cheekbones had striated glutes!

[Hydroshake]

Yeah, Hamdullah was insane...

Even his cheekbones had striated glutes!

so he had a shredded butt on his face?

anyways, yea, that guy looks crazy. i guess if you really want to get completely shredded, you have to come in a little flat. which BBer's today are no longer willing to do.

["Rodz"]

Here's the link to that show:

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Amazing physiques... Wish I was old enough to experience those days. Too bad I was all of 9 years old at the time!

Great vid, too bad ESPN doesnt cover the sport anymore, and Arnold doing the interview was awesome

[MattyH7688]

well since we are on conditioning :p, not to go too off topic from the thread at hand... grant it he isn't a pro or 240 on stage, but I think my trainer gets pretty shredded for an american ;)

Alex Azarian
http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/11/58/85/65/alex210.jpg

["Rodz"]

Phil's legs are better than those dudes though for sure. Not calves.

True, but when did calves stop being important?

[47ronin]

I've been on the scene a long time, and let me tell you, that you have got to have seen these guys in the flesh CLOSE UP (90's physiques) and not just pictures/photos from magazines. I can tell you a few stories from backstage where my jaw just hit the deck in awe at some of these specimens. A couple that still stick in my mind is when i saw a top British pro backstage chewing a piece of gum and i could see virtually every muscle within in his jaw line which was striated to fuck!!!! with eyes sunken in to their sockets. Unlike some of the bodybuilders today (not all but the majority) that seem to have fat bloated faces and some have even got double chins and are supposed to be in shape!!!!!! But the most memorable was when a top pro in the day stood in front of me, he was so sliced and diced that i could watch the blood in his veins circulate his body through his tissue paper skin! That's something you have to see to believe and something photos don't pick up. Nowadays I've seen guys backstage and sure they do look big but nothing seems to be happening with their physique, they just look like a blob, until they flex and only then do things start to happen but they still lack that fine etched finish to their physiques. Don't get me wrong, not all of today's bodybuilders express this condition, but it is common for the majority.

Obvious sign of GH abuse.

[Triple-H_2005]

so he had a shredded butt on his face?

anyways, yea, that guy looks crazy. i guess if you really want to get completely shredded, you have to come in a little flat. which BBer's today are no longer willing to do.

I was being silly...

It's humor, dude!:p

[D_T]

well since we are on conditioning :p, not to go too off topic from the thread at hand... grant it he isn't a pro or 240 on stage, but I think my trainer gets pretty shredded for an american ;)

Alex Azarian
http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/11/58/85/65/alex210.jpg


and he probably hasn't abused GH and slin to get huge, which is exactly what we're saying has caused the disappearance of conditioning.

[Triple-H_2005]

and he probably hasn't abused gh and slin to get huge, which is exactly what we're saying has caused the disappearance of conditioning.

qft.

[MattyH7688]

and he probably hasn't abused GH and slin to get huge, which is exactly what we're saying has caused the disappearance of conditioning.

Well, that may be the case.. he also stays within a few pounds of contest shape year round so that definitely plays a role on top of the normal precontest diet/cardio/etc..



I still truly believe the biggest difference between conditioning now and back then in IFBB pros is heavy diuretic abuse and better lighting over insulin and gh abuse. People were dying and getting sick quite a bit back then.. now I am sure people still have some problems but when was the last time we had an IFBB bodybuilder die from diuretic abuse?

[Ironguru]

Bump

YouTube - Bodybuilding - Greatest Show on Earth, British Grand Prix 99

This had to be one of the toughest line-ups in the history of bodybuilding.

[barbellman]

Great vid, too bad ESPN doesnt cover the sport anymore, and Arnold doing the interview was awesome



Damn you can really see his pec tear in that video when he's standing relaxed next to wheeler, looks like toney freeman's chest

[Voland]

Hey, this is Kevin and I'm not a ghost writer. Thanks to those of you who are respecting LevroneReport.com. That is where I spend most of my time, split between that and running Levrone Inc., maker of Levrone Formula products. With new products coming out and all the excitement on TLR it's a challenge to check out other boards, but MD will be the exception cause all of my fellow pro athletes who I competed with are here, I'm in good company.

I'll try to answer some questions off the cuff....

John O'Reagan did help me out just before I turned pro for the Nationals. He's a good guy and I would recommend him to anyone. I never had a prep coach, so I don't have a favorite.

I've always stuck to a strict diet pre-contest for 12 weeks. I would eat the same thing every meal: that would be fish (6 lbs a day, flounder). Steamed vegetables (six cups, mixed frozen vegetables). Brown rice (six cups). Gallon of water a day.

I never did a keto diet or no carb diet pre-show. During the prep I would gain anywhere from 3-5 lbs of muscle a week. Training really, really heavy, sleeping ten hours a day, eating right, but I would have to attribute 90% of what I did to genetics. In fact, 90% of pro bodybuilding is genetics. Maybe more.

There's a lot of sacrifice, not quitting, visualizing, having a goal sitting in your head. So whatever genetics are, tap into it, tap into your strength, and put the hammer down guys. If you don't have my genetics, you can still carry yourself like a champion and reach your potential – that's all that matters. Don't forget to say your prayers at night, go to sleep with a clear conscience, wake up and continue the journey the next day.

As far as my off season, my training split was the same that is was pre-contest. Pushing movements day one (chest/shoulder/tris), day two, quads, day three, back, bis and hamstrings. Abs and calves every time I was in the gym. Day four was a rest, and I started it all again on day five, and so on. Train very heavy during off season.

So let's say I just finished the Arnold. I wouldn't do anything between now and June. I would cut the calories in half, eat three times a day and lose 40 lbs of muscle. Then in June, I'd start training and gaining 3-5 lbs of muscle a week and train heavy all the way up until Mr. Olympia.

I appreciate all the support and thank you for showing me some love here in the MD house.

Kevin Levrone

Kevin NEVER did a keto diet not even low carb;). Anyone who has seen M3 knows thats, remember the couple cooking him tons of rice?

[zubbeyboy]

Agreed. And your fucking Abs look RAHTARDED in your avatar bro. DAMN!

Thank you bro!!!!

[Mr.Bones]

Kevin NEVER did a keto diet not even low carb;). Anyone who has seen M3 knows thats, remember the couple cooking him tons of rice?

It was only 250 grams a day, not really shit.

[Taylor Normandeau]

Kevin NEVER did a keto diet not even low carb;). Anyone who has seen M3 knows thats, remember the couple cooking him tons of rice?

He also ate like this cause he GREW into a show. Which means he cruised on low doses (or maybe nothing, but I will say low doses haha) off-season, then just jacked up EVERYTHING and brought the heat leading up to a show.

A MUCH better technique than the bullshit off-seasons we see now.

[Taylor Normandeau]

It was only 250 grams a day, not really shit.

That's a lot for some of us.