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GaryGranaas
05-12-2011, 08:34 AM
This is an email correspondence between JimT and an RxMuscle member here. I wanted to state the email for members reference because it is very informational and explanatory for your benefit pertaining to the products. Hopefully this may explain the different responses from one user experiment to another.


Hey Gary,
Sorry to bother you but I had ordered some clenbuterol from you guys and I am not sure if I got a bad batch or what but even at 80 mcg there is no variation in body temperature even after 3-4 hours,. After reading through some of the posts I was wondering if maybe I had accidentally gotten some of your old clen that was from china and maybe thats why it hasn't been working. Anyway, I will also pm'd you on your rxmuscle account but I am glad to do business with you guys and you seem like a sincere guy on the forums so I appreciate any feedback you could give me.
Thanks,

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I must be honest with you, We are in this industry to make a name for this company and the people involved in the organization. We have had many positive and Negative posts with the Clenbuterol and T3 .. I have had people rave about the product and then someone from the same batch say the product did not work..

So we did go and find several newer sources and ironically all of them came up well over 98% on purity and pass all our internal testing. So I began to ask myself my does this seem to happen with many of our most popular products.. At first I thought it was something we were doing, then I thought the people were lying ..

I consulted several Physicians and Well known Trainers that we work with and this was the common response in a Nut shell please see the explanation below: I hope this helps you

I am using a example such a the common alcohol drink to help you and the others understand, that is just may not a product that is not effect it may have to do with variable issues

Please feel to free to share and comment with me..

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You and your friend go to a party. After 2 drinks, she's slurring her words, but you're fine, and you know from experience that you could drink a lot more without a problem. Why does this happen? Everyone's body and mind represent a unique combination of physical and psychological factors that result in different responses to substances like alcohol, prescription medications, and even illicit drugs.
In the case of prescription medications, your doctor needs to consider all of these factors to determine an appropriate dose for you. In the case of illegal drugs, these factors may account for why two individuals with the same level of tolerance may have dramatically different responses to the same dose: for one, a high – for the other, a lethal overdose
What factors determine how a substance affects an individual?
Weight: A person who weighs 250 pounds requires more of a substance than a person who weighs 125 pounds to achieve the same effect.
Race: Research indicates that certain racial groups have metabolic differences, which can determine that group's response to a given substance. For example, studies suggest that individuals of Asian descent have an increased sensitivity to alcohol when compared to their Caucasian counterparts.
Age: Children and the elderly may need medication adjustments for a number of reasons. Young children are physically smaller (and, by extension, weigh less) and all relevant body systems may not be fully developed yet. On the other hand, some of the bodily systems of seniors have slowed, and they may have more difficulty adjusting to or recovering from certain amounts of substances and/or side effects.
Tolerance: Tolerance occurs when an individual requires larger and/or more frequent doses of the same drug to achieve or maintain the original effect. Not all substances cause tolerance.
Hormones: Research indicates that women have less of the enzyme that helps metabolize alcohol in the stomach than men do. Because women have higher concentrations of alcohol in their blood than men do after consuming a similar amount, women may develop alcoholic liver disease more easily than men. Other studies in animals have suggested other differences in responses based on sex or hormones, but further research is necessary to determine to what extent this information is applicable to humans.
Illness: Diseases that damage bodily organs, especially those involved in metabolizing substances like the liver and kidneys, can affect how a person responds to a certain amount of a substance.
Diet: Some foods alter metabolism of certain substances. Additionally, fasting and malnutrition can modify the rate of absorption and create enzyme deficiencies, respectively. Some scientists believe that what others understand to be inherent racial differences is really the result of culturally determined nutritional habits.
When: Time can play a role in how a substance affects a user. Everyone is subject to naturally occurring biorhythms. For example, metabolism can vary depending on time of day. Other biorhythms include sleep cycles and body temperature.
Method of Administration: The effects of a substance also depend on how quickly (and in what amount) it enters the bloodstream. Many prescription medicines deliver small doses regularly over a period of time in order to provide continual relief for pain. Someone who abuses prescription medicines may grind the tablet into a powder and snort it (inhale) to circumvent the time-released properties. Intravenous (IV) injection (via a syringe) also delivers substances more quickly than if they had to go through the normal digestive process.
Psychological Variables: A number of psychological factors affect an individual’s response to a drug including the expectations of the self or others. For example, research indicates that, in clinical trials for which a patient is given a completely harmless substance in a pill without being told that the substance is harmless, the patient may have negative side effects or positive results, all a product of their mind. This is called the placebo effect. Additionally, consuming substances in the presence of friends compared to doing so alone or in another environment can have different effects as the user’s body adjusts to the expectations (or lack thereof) of a given social situation.

HumanGrade
05-12-2011, 12:49 PM
GREAT info Gary!!

Mr.Dedication
05-14-2011, 08:54 PM
This explains a lot. Thanks for posting bud.

GaryGranaas
05-22-2011, 01:54 PM
Below is an insert conversation between mr ya di da pertaining to the explanation between research chems and brand name drugs to help understand why one may work better than the other.





Not unstable ya di da. Chem products are not the exact chemical chain of the brand name counter parts. I try to inform the board members of this. I will us viagra for an example. I explained this in another thread.

Viagra is a patent brand name and so is it's chemical structure. The basic chemical is Sildenafil Citrate. The Sildenafil Citrate in Viagra has an extension tweaked out for human consumption and response that is greater than the basic structure.

Chem companies can not sell this patent structure or they violate the FDA laws and violate patent rights. They can how ever under the research laws sell the basic compound Sildenafil Citrate.

The response and performance will how ever differ that is the issue. Quote:
Originally Posted by mr. ya-di-da http://forums.rxmuscle.com/images/okay/buttons/viewpost.gif
yeah ive heard that pharm tabs are way more consistent because liquid chems are unstable..

Bencher
05-22-2011, 01:59 PM
I think a lot of people complain because they have used products before that at certain doses worked for them. Then they use another lab or company and they do not get the results as expected. Which again, could be from the lack of other agents added to the product. If I were trying a product that Im had never used, I would be less likely to complain. Now, if I had used it several times, say clen at 100mcg daily, then switched to another brand and got none of the same sides, I would be suspect.