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Curt James
07-09-2011, 02:07 AM
SUPERDROL (METHYLDROSTANALONE)*

Chemical Name: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androstane-17b-ol-3-one

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Description:
Methyldrostanolone, also know as methasterone, is a potent oral anabolic steroid that was never sold as a prescription drug. In structure, this steroid is a close derivative of drostranolone (Masteron). The only difference in this case is the addition of the c-14 alpha methyl group, a modification that gives this steroid high oral bioavailability. The two agents remain very comparable, however, both Methyldrostanolone and Drostanolone are non-aromatizable, so there is no difference in the estrogenicity of these two steroids, and both retain favorable anabolic to androgenic ratios. Lab assays do put Superdrol ahead here, however showing it to possess 4 times the anabolic potency of oral Methyldrostanolone is favored by athletes for its moderate anabolic properties, which usually accompanied by fat loss and minimal androgenic side effects.

History:
Methyldrostanolone was classified as a steroid in 1959, when developed by Syntex. Methyldrostanolone was never released as a medicinal product, in the basic form. This was only sold for a brief time as a modified product called Dimethazine. Dimethazine is made of two molecules of Methyldrostanolone that are bonded together, which are later metabolically seperated to yield free Methyldrostanolone.

Methyldrostanolone was released in 2005 in the pro-hormone market as over the counter product in the United Sates. Methyldrostanolone (Superdrol) was being sold in the supplement market with age disclaimers by the manufacturer. Neither state or federal laws identify this as being a steroid with clears it from being classified as a class III controlled substance. This was mainly due to Methyldrostanolone not being in production, at the time that the laws were written. Methyldrostanolone is not DSHEA compliant. In 2006 the FDA wrote letters to the manufacturers demanding that it be pulled from commerce, and was discontinued. This product was however banned by the FDA.

All Side Effects:

Estrogenic:
Methyldrostanolone does not aromatize by the body and is not measurably estrogenic. An anti-estrogen is not completely necessary when using Methyldrostanolone.

Androgenic:
One may experience oily skin, acne, and body hair/facial hair growth. This may also aggravate male pattern hair loss.
Women should not take this product, and are warned of the same effects that of any anabolic/androgenic steroid. These may include but not limited to deepening of the voice, menstrual irregularities, changes in the skin texture, facial hair growth, and clitoral enlargement.

Hepatotoxicity:
Prolonged or high dosing of this product could result in liver damage, and possible liver failure.

Cardiovascular:
anabolic/androgenic steroids can have deleterious effects on serum cholesterol. This includes a tendency to reduce HDL (Good) Cholesterol and increase the LDL (Bad) Cholesterol levels and may shift the HDL to LDL balance in a direction that favors a greater risk of arteriosclerosis. Methyldrostanolone has a strong effect on the hepatic management of cholesterol due to its non-aromatizable nature, structure resistance to liver breakdown. This may also cause an increase in blood pressure, and increase hypertension, all increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease and myocardial infraction.

Testosterone Suppression:
All anabolic/androgenic steroids/pro-hormones. when taken in doses sufficient to promote muscle gain are expected to suppress endogenous testosterone production. Without the intervention of testosterone-stimulating substances, testosterone levels should return to normal within 1-4 months of supplement secession.

Other Side Effects Reported:
Reports of being lethargic, back pumps, and decreased libido are the most common side effects reported with use of Methyldrostanolone.

How to combat the potential side effects

Estrogenic:
Follow use of Methyldrostanolone with any PCT (post cycle therapy)/ anti-estrogen. This can include either over the counter or prescription.
Perscriptions could include:
Arimidex, Aromasin, ATD(Androstatrienedione), Clomid, Nolvadex, and others.

Supplement Anti-Estrogen Can include:
Formestane MCPE, Diene3 (3,17-dioxoetiochol-1,4,6-triene, Camellia Sinensis), 6, 17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol
3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene
3’,5,7-trihydroxy-4’-methoxyflavone
Either option will be sufficient in blocking any estrogen conversion, and assisting the normal production of testosterone.

Hepatotoxicity
Consuming either milk thistle or any liver care product during and post cycle of Methyldrostanolone will help to ensure proper liver and kidney functions. Some individuals report that use of a liver care in conjunction with a hormone will decrease the potency of the hormone. There are not any valid studies that can report this as a fact at this time.

Cardiovascular:
Use of and Omega or EFA during use of Methyldrostanolone will help keep the HDL up and the LDL low. This will help control and potential increase in blood pressure, and increase hypertension, all increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease and myocardial infraction.

Testosterone Suppression:
The use of Tribulus Terrestris during the use of Methyldrostanolone will still allow the body to naturally produce testosterone and allow for a faster recovery time after the discontinued use of Methyldrostanolone. This also will aid in the troubled decreased libido area.

Other Side Effects:
When using Methyldrostanolone, it is important to consume at least a gallon of water a day as Methyldrostanolone acts a powerful diuretic. This will help keep the lower back pumps down and help with flushing of the kidneys during use.

Being lethargic comes from a combination of lowered natural testosterone, increased level of negative liver enzymes, using a liver care /milk thistle will assist on the being lethargic issue.

Decreased Libido can be treated with the use of Tribulus Terrestris. This will still allow the body to naturally produce testosterone and allow for a faster recovery time after the discontinued use of Methyldrostanolone.

* All information on Methyldrostanolone has been provided from "Anabolics 2007"

Reference: http://soraonline.org/component/content/article/46-pro-hormones/92-superdrol-methyldrostanolone

MikeyMojo36
07-09-2011, 04:06 AM
Sounds miserable on paper but I fVcking loved the stuff back when I first got started.

adpolice
07-09-2011, 06:08 AM
I think credit should be given to retwa..it was his idea of using tribulus to avoid shutdown,ha,ha,ha.Anyway sdrol is a great drug for cutting and strength gains

bad rad
07-09-2011, 09:31 AM
I've tried it for dieting and I wasn't too impressed with it. Bulking is a different story.

DevilsAdvocate
07-09-2011, 10:09 AM
Good stuff, although hard on the liver and makes ya feel pretty lethargic too. But the 3 times I've ran it, my body composition looked great. I got bigger, leaner and much stronger. Dry gains are great.

Everex238
07-09-2011, 02:56 PM
if u get a good clone its good for bulking for sure!

adpolice
07-09-2011, 02:59 PM
if u get a good clone its good for bulking for sure!

Pretty much diet and rest determines ''bulking'' and ''cutting''...

Deltasaurus
07-09-2011, 03:37 PM
can u still get it online?
i saw guys who never ran shit blow up and then shrink up when they came off but they got great gains while on

s2h
07-09-2011, 04:11 PM
can u still get it online?
i saw guys who never ran shit blow up and then shrink up when they came off but they got great gains while oni would just order the super dmz from ironmaglabs..ur gonna get pretty much the same results as SD or any clones...check aaron singermans sig..it has a discount code..

DevilsAdvocate
07-10-2011, 12:17 AM
can u still get it online?
i saw guys who never ran shit blow up and then shrink up when they came off but they got great gains while on

Yes, you can still get it online. There's mdrol by CEL but I'm not sure if that's available anymore. There's Shredded Labs Andro-Shred which contains milk thistle in each dose. There's also Hard Rock Methastadrol. I've done the mdrol and andro-shred, haven't tried the methastadrol.

DevilsAdvocate
07-10-2011, 11:21 PM
I've ran this stuff 3 times. Worked great. I'm currently running dbol right now for my first time because I wanted a drug that gave me a heightened sense of well being rather than the shitty feeling that superdrol gives. To be honest, I've read a lot of superdrol or mdrol (clone) vs dbol and they all pretty much report superdrol being the winner. But I'm responding much better to dbol personally right now and am pretty happy with the results. Anyone else have any experiences as to which orals they respond better to?

Deltasaurus
07-10-2011, 11:33 PM
i havent really seen anyone keep their gains is my only reason against something like this. is it people just dont like test? so they run this

TheABomb
07-10-2011, 11:37 PM
Superdrol fucked up my health very big time and I have to be on hrt for the rest of my life. I know it was the superdrol because I took lots of test, eq, deca dbol and never had side effects that bad until I tried superdrol. I will never touch it again. Just becasue it is legal doesnt mean it is safe. It is more dangerous than most illegal steroids.

I now stick with test, gh, peptides, sometimes dbol.

47ronin
07-11-2011, 12:09 AM
i havent really seen anyone keep their gains is my only reason against something like this. is it people just dont like test? so they run this

It's for people who can't get test...

Deltasaurus
07-11-2011, 12:15 AM
^^^gracias

TEST > BS

The Big Sexy
07-11-2011, 02:27 AM
Superdrol fucked up my health very big time and I have to be on hrt for the rest of my life. I know it was the superdrol because I took lots of test, eq, deca dbol and never had side effects that bad until I tried superdrol. I will never touch it again. Just becasue it is legal doesnt mean it is safe. It is more dangerous than most illegal steroids.

I now stick with test, gh, peptides, sometimes dbol.

Damn...

MisterAmbition
07-11-2011, 03:13 AM
Superdrol fucked up my health very big time and I have to be on hrt for the rest of my life. I know it was the superdrol because I took lots of test, eq, deca dbol and never had side effects that bad until I tried superdrol. I will never touch it again. Just becasue it is legal doesnt mean it is safe. It is more dangerous than most illegal steroids.

I now stick with test, gh, peptides, sometimes dbol.

uhh... u sure it's not the test, eq, deca, and/or dbol that's the reason you're on hrt for the rest of your life?

and... uhh... isn't hrt USAULLY for the rest of your life anyways? People don't go on hrt for a little while and expect their test to COME BACK. What kind of logic is that?

Am I the first person to notice this post? :hypno:

MisterAmbition
07-11-2011, 03:14 AM
It's for people who can't get test...


... or for those of us who CAN get test, but nothing else. (legally)

TheABomb
07-11-2011, 10:01 AM
uhh... u sure it's not the test, eq, deca, and/or dbol that's the reason you're on hrt for the rest of your life?

and... uhh... isn't hrt USAULLY for the rest of your life anyways? People don't go on hrt for a little while and expect their test to COME BACK. What kind of logic is that?

Am I the first person to notice this post? :hypno:


You are probably right about the hrt. But like you said that really isnt a big problem. Obviously I'd rather not beo on trt, but hey whatever. Still kinda annoying having to pin every week for life. And having small balls isnt fun either.

But definitely the superdrol is what caused everything else. I have to take crestor the rest of my fucking life. Check.Ive used 3 different blood pressure meds. Check. Liver's so bad can't ever take oral steroids again. Might do low dose dianabol at some point because they side effects I got on it were really nothing compared to anadrol and superdrol. But still. Superdrol is an evil motherfuck and I wont use it again. Ran 4 cycles, lowest dose was at 20 highest was at 45, all for 4 weeks. By the last week I wanted to die it was so bad.

s2h
07-11-2011, 04:20 PM
you are probably right about the hrt. But like you said that really isnt a big problem. Obviously i'd rather not beo on trt, but hey whatever. Still kinda annoying having to pin every week for life. And having small balls isnt fun either.

But definitely the superdrol is what caused everything else. I have to take crestor the rest of my fucking life. Check.ive used 3 different blood pressure meds. Check. Liver's so bad can't ever take oral steroids again. Might do low dose dianabol at some point because they side effects i got on it were really nothing compared to anadrol and superdrol. But still. Superdrol is an evil motherfuck and i wont use it again. Ran 4 cycles, lowest dose was at 20 highest was at 45, all for 4 weeks. By the last week i wanted to die it was so bad.look to use slin pins for your trt..it will ease some of the scar tissue and burden of pinning for life...

GameofInches
07-11-2011, 05:41 PM
You are probably right about the hrt. But like you said that really isnt a big problem. Obviously I'd rather not beo on trt, but hey whatever. Still kinda annoying having to pin every week for life. And having small balls isnt fun either.

But definitely the superdrol is what caused everything else. I have to take crestor the rest of my fucking life. Check.Ive used 3 different blood pressure meds. Check. Liver's so bad can't ever take oral steroids again. Might do low dose dianabol at some point because they side effects I got on it were really nothing compared to anadrol and superdrol. But still. Superdrol is an evil motherfuck and I wont use it again. Ran 4 cycles, lowest dose was at 20 highest was at 45, all for 4 weeks. By the last week I wanted to die it was so bad.

I can't believe it has left you with such permanent damage. I never heard such harsh reviews of Superdrol until the last week.

The Big Sexy
07-11-2011, 05:44 PM
You are probably right about the hrt. But like you said that really isnt a big problem. Obviously I'd rather not beo on trt, but hey whatever. Still kinda annoying having to pin every week for life. And having small balls isnt fun either.

But definitely the superdrol is what caused everything else. I have to take crestor the rest of my fucking life. Check.Ive used 3 different blood pressure meds. Check. Liver's so bad can't ever take oral steroids again. Might do low dose dianabol at some point because they side effects I got on it were really nothing compared to anadrol and superdrol. But still. Superdrol is an evil motherfuck and I wont use it again. Ran 4 cycles, lowest dose was at 20 highest was at 45, all for 4 weeks. By the last week I wanted to die it was so bad.

45mg of superdrol is INSANE. I can't remember what HI said but something along the lines of 10mg or 20mg of Superdrol is like 100mg of Anadrol. if you were using 45 that is like over 200mg of A-Bombs dropping on your liver for FOUR WEEKS.

I had symptoms that regressed in about 1 week on just 20mg... and I only took it for 4 days or so. I can't imagine what would happen if I took 2x that does for 4 weeks!

All goes back to what HI said - make sure you do some research before getting into some of these oral compounds. They can be some of the greatest assistance to your training routine or they can be an absolute hindrance

The Big Sexy
07-11-2011, 05:45 PM
I can't believe it has left you with such permanent damage. I never heard such harsh reviews of Superdrol until the last week.

He took 45mg of it for 4 weeks - that is like 200mg (or more) of anadrol in terms of toxicity.

I think if someone where to take 10-20mg of it for 3 weeks or so - they would be fine... maybe some mild side effects like loss of appetite but you get that with more than one 17-aa.

GameofInches
07-11-2011, 05:55 PM
He took 45mg of it for 4 weeks - that is like 200mg (or more) of anadrol in terms of toxicity.

I think if someone where to take 10-20mg of it for 3 weeks or so - they would be fine... maybe some mild side effects like loss of appetite but you get that with more than one 17-aa.

That's all the side effects I was expecting (at most). I understand that lipids may go off a little or even BP up a little, a little bloat, etc. And I was going to try and curb those effects and I thought they would go away after I stop using it. But I have been reading some crazy harsh sides that are causing some bad damage. I never hear that reported before. Granted some of these guys are using crazy doses...it's just a little scary to hear. But I am thinking 1 cap per day for 4 weeks won't be bad

The Big Sexy
07-11-2011, 05:57 PM
That's all the side effects I was expecting (at most). I understand that lipids may go off a little or even BP up a little, a little bloat, etc. And I was going to try and curb those effects and I thought they would go away after I stop using it. But I have been reading some crazy harsh sides that are causing some bad damage. I never hear that reported before. Granted some of these guys are using crazy doses...it's just a little scary to hear. But I am thinking 1 cap per day for 4 weeks won't be bad

I took 20mg of Superdrol for about 4 days and it did me in... but there may have been other factors. Not that I was taking other stuff - but maybe my water intake wasn't as high... I was taking Liver X... maybe I'm just more susceptible to it.

I know people who have taken 40mg for 3 weeks with the "normal" sides. I know people who have taken 20mg for 4 weeks with relatively no sides.

If you took 10mg - you would be fine I would think - barring some sort of pre-existing condition with your liver that I don't know about. (I guess that is why they say get your bloodwork done and check with your physician) LOL

DevilsAdvocate
07-11-2011, 07:23 PM
30mg is the max I've gone and would ever go. Who knows, the last time I did that shit my piss looked pretty damn dark every time. And this is the stuff that was mixed with milk thistle, I knew somethin' was up. Andro-Shred that was, but the MDrol seemed pretty decent and more effective. I still don't rave over it like some people do though. My main side effect was hypoglycemia. It seemed every day at the same time I would get super hungry, shaky, sweaty, weak and feel like I was gonna' pass out. My breakfast wasn't the greatest though and it happened usually around 10:30AM every day. If you take this shit, keep your carb intake HIGH.

bad rad
07-11-2011, 07:58 PM
I've gone as high as 60mgs daily for 3 weeks on/off in the past. My cholesterol came back in the 330's and I ended up on TRT after that. This was the only cycle I didn't recover from but I don't blame the drug, it was my own foolishness.

TheABomb
07-11-2011, 08:30 PM
look to use slin pins for your trt..it will ease some of the scar tissue and burden of pinning for life...


Thanks!

TheABomb
07-11-2011, 08:31 PM
I can't believe it has left you with such permanent damage. I never heard such harsh reviews of Superdrol until the last week.


Oh trust me those harsh reviews are there. In facct, everyone I know feels this way on superdrol. The only non harsh reviews are from people affiliated with company or ones getting free product. Well, not ALL of them that wouldn't be fair to say. But many do fall into this category. They tell people to post positive reviews.

TheABomb
07-11-2011, 08:35 PM
45mg of superdrol is INSANE. I can't remember what HI said but something along the lines of 10mg or 20mg of Superdrol is like 100mg of Anadrol. if you were using 45 that is like over 200mg of A-Bombs dropping on your liver for FOUR WEEKS.

I had symptoms that regressed in about 1 week on just 20mg... and I only took it for 4 days or so. I can't imagine what would happen if I took 2x that does for 4 weeks!

All goes back to what HI said - make sure you do some research before getting into some of these oral compounds. They can be some of the greatest assistance to your training routine or they can be an absolute hindrance


Well, I used to go crazy with gear. I have taken 200mg of anadrol before, that was pretty bad, lowered it to 100 after a week. But still not as bad as 45mg superdrol. The lethargy, back pain, brown piss, BP headaches were the worst with superdrol.

A part of the problem was the forum I used to post on (not this one thank god) had companies selling SD, with reps whod say stuff like "oh, 40mg isnt that bad, you will be fine." So I just believed them/ Stupid of me I know.

Taking it for 4 weeks, I can tell you exactly what happened. Did many SD cycles. First week libido went away in 3 days. Woke up twice with a bloody nose. Piss was brown within 3 days even though I was drinking over a gallon of water a day and taking liver supports. Back pumps started 2 weeks in. They were so unbearably painful I couldn't deadlift squat or row. Week 3 the lethargy started. I was able to workout, but whenever I was not in the gym, wanted to sleep all day. The last week, every muscle and tendon ached, head achess, lethargy was terrible, everything just got worse.

TheABomb
07-11-2011, 08:36 PM
I've gone as high as 60mgs daily for 3 weeks on/off in the past. My cholesterol came back in the 330's and I ended up on TRT after that. This was the only cycle I didn't recover from but I don't blame the drug, it was my own foolishness.


Mine was a lot higher than that, my HDL was like 15 even after being off for several months. LDL and triglycerides were in the hundreds.

edward 13
07-12-2011, 12:49 AM
ive never personally used anadrol but my friends have and a couple could not take it well, they started to gey yellow eyes and other signs of liver problems, along with feeling like crap and unmotivated causing them to fail their classes.

MisterAmbition
07-12-2011, 12:57 AM
He took 45mg of it for 4 weeks - that is like 200mg (or more) of anadrol in terms of toxicity.

I think if someone where to take 10-20mg of it for 3 weeks or so - they would be fine... maybe some mild side effects like loss of appetite but you get that with more than one 17-aa.

The theraputic dose of anadrol for anemia is 1-2mg/kg bodyweight for a min of 6-9months. For a 200lb bodybuilder that's 100-200mg/day for 6-9months. For patients with wasting syndrom (cancers, ect.) it's higher... and those are ppl with already-comprimised health/immune systems.

I'm having a hard time finding a site that gives searchable medline results (it's been a while!), but I'm curious about the comparisons b/t sdrol/mdrol/dmz/ect... and things like cheque-drops, methyl-test, and halotestin on a mg-per-mg basis.

MisterAmbition
07-12-2011, 12:58 AM
Oh trust me those harsh reviews are there. In facct, everyone I know feels this way on superdrol. The only non harsh reviews are from people affiliated with company or ones getting free product. Well, not ALL of them that wouldn't be fair to say. But many do fall into this category. They tell people to post positive reviews.

Where's my free product??!! :confused::dunno:

Growin24/7
07-12-2011, 12:59 AM
I have a very close friend of mine who is taking Super DMZ 2x's daily, one in the AM and one cap in the PM. Every few days he calls me and tells me how its going...he is about 20-25 days into his cycle and said (as of today) he is up 12lbs., little water retention, strength is WAY up, libido is way up. Only side effect is he says his back pumps are horrible to the point where he can't do dead's, squats, leg press and in the morning it is stiff as f**k or so he claims! Seems like he is liking it but the back pumps are really bad.

daywalker72
07-12-2011, 08:19 AM
I have a very close friend of mine who is taking Super DMZ 2x's daily, one in the AM and one cap in the PM. Every few days he calls me and tells me how its going...he is about 20-25 days into his cycle and said (as of today) he is up 12lbs., little water retention, strength is WAY up, libido is way up. Only side effect is he says his back pumps are horrible to the point where he can't do dead's, squats, leg press and in the morning it is stiff as f**k or so he claims! Seems like he is liking it but the back pumps are really bad.

my back pumps were extremely bad as well

heavyiron
07-12-2011, 08:42 AM
my back pumps were extremely bad as well
Super DMZ reminded me of a high dose run with d-bol. Pumps showed up in less than 10 days and strength gains were very steady. I put on 7 lbs in just 30 days with it. I used 2 caps per day.

daywalker72
07-12-2011, 08:45 AM
yeah. it worked for sure. got super strong. packed on size fast. random boners all day. it might be better for me at just 1 cap/day

boots
07-12-2011, 10:51 AM
All this talk makes me nervous...maybe I should just stick to creatine and protein shakes...

AlphaMaleDawg
07-12-2011, 02:44 PM
DO NOT TAKE THIS SHIT.

I just got my bloodwork back 15 minutes ago and my liver values (AST and ALT) are more than double the highest number in the normal range. I took the blood test 3 weekends upon stopping

gains are great, health problems are not

boots
07-12-2011, 02:47 PM
How much did you run?

MisterAmbition
07-12-2011, 02:54 PM
DO NOT TAKE THIS SHIT.

I just got my bloodwork back 15 minutes ago and my liver values (AST and ALT) are more than double the highest number in the normal range. I took the blood test 3 weekends upon stopping

gains are great, health problems are not


I've had ast and alt in the 400's. They'll go back.

TheABomb
07-12-2011, 02:59 PM
DO NOT TAKE THIS SHIT.

I just got my bloodwork back 15 minutes ago and my liver values (AST and ALT) are more than double the highest number in the normal range. I took the blood test 3 weekends upon stopping

gains are great, health problems are not


Bro I'm sorry but that's what happens to evveryone on superdrol. People may say their bloodwork is fine, but they are lying becasue they received free product or are paid to promote a company. Trust me.

Stick with the safe stuff like testosterone and deca.

AlphaMaleDawg
07-12-2011, 03:15 PM
How much did you run?

oops I forgot to mention that. I took 30mg for 18 days and stopped because I got a bloody nose at work. My appetite decreased too. I was also on tren at 50mg ED for 11 weeks which I feel is worth mentioning. blood test was 3 weeks after discontinuing everything except test

I also used it twice in the past at 20mg for 3 weeks both times.


I've had ast and alt in the 400's. They'll go back.

well thanks for cheering me up! AST was 78 and ALT was 116. How long before they go back?

sucks because now I should proably abstain from alcohol completely even though its summertime


Bro I'm sorry but that's what happens to evveryone on superdrol. People may say their bloodwork is fine, but they are lying becasue they received free product or are paid to promote a company. Trust me.

Stick with the safe stuff like testosterone and deca.

lesson learned

AlphaMaleDawg
07-12-2011, 03:19 PM
also I should mention my RDW was 16 when the range is 11.5-14.5
T3 is 3.77 when the highest should be 3.70

tren could have a hand in that though


and yes I did use milk thistle and liv52

heavyiron
07-12-2011, 05:05 PM
well thanks for cheering me up! AST was 78 and ALT was 116. How long before they go back?

Your AST/ALT are normal for oral steroid use and even intense excercise can elevate these values. Basically in clinical trials they will halt the study once ALT/AST reaches 3-5 times upper limit. Upper limit for AST is 40u/l and for ALT 60u/l. If your values were 3-5 times that then I would be worried. Its much more important to get your GGT measured though. ALT/AST can be elevated for up to 7 days following weight lifting so stop all weight lifting for 10 days if you get follow up labs.

AlphaMaleDawg
07-12-2011, 08:20 PM
Your AST/ALT are normal for oral steroid use and even intense excercise can elevate these values. Basically in clinical trials they will halt the study once ALT/AST reaches 3-5 times upper limit. Upper limit for AST is 40u/l and for ALT 60u/l. If your values were 3-5 times that then I would be worried. Its much more important to get your GGT measured though. ALT/AST can be elevated for up to 7 days following weight lifting so stop all weight lifting for 10 days if you get follow up labs.

thanks for clarifying HI. What is GGT?

heavyiron
07-12-2011, 09:16 PM
thanks for clarifying HI. What is GGT?
Gamma-glutamyltranspeptidase (GGT)


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Abstract

OBJECTIVE:
There have been numerous reports of hepatic dysfunction secondary to anabolic steroid use based on elevated levels of serum aminotransferases. This study was conducted to distinguish between serum aminotransaminase elevations secondary to intense resistance training and anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity in elite bodybuilders.

DESIGN:
This was a case-control study of serum chemistry profiles from bodybuilders using and not using anabolic steroids with comparisons to a cohort of medical students and patients with hepatitis.

PARTICIPANTS:
The participants were bodybuilders taking self-directed regimens of anabolic steroids (n = 15) and bodybuilders not taking steroids (n = 10). Blood chemistry profiles from patients with viral hepatitis (n = 49) and exercising and nonexercising medical students (592) were used as controls.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:
The focus in blood chemistry profiles was aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT), gamma-glutamyltranspeptidase (GGT), and creatine kinase (CK) levels.

RESULTS:
In both groups of bodybuilders, CK, AST, and ALT were elevated, whereas GGT remained in the normal range. In contrast, patients with hepatitis had elevations of all three enzymes: ALT, AST, and GGT. Creatine kinase (CK) was elevated in all exercising groups. Patients with hepatitis were the only group in which a correlation was found between aminotransferases and GGT.

CONCLUSION:
Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity based on elevated aminotransferase levels may have been overstated, because no exercising subjects, including steroid users, demonstrated hepatic dysfunction based on GGT levels. Such reports may have misled the medical community to emphasize steroid-induced hepatotoxicity when interpreting elevated aminotransferase levels and disregard muscle damage. For these reasons, when evaluating hepatic function in cases of anabolic steroid therapy or abuse, CK and GGT levels should be considered in addition to ALT and AST levels as essential elements of the assessment.

PMID: 10336050 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

asdf
07-12-2011, 10:58 PM
DO NOT TAKE THIS SHIT.

I just got my bloodwork back 15 minutes ago and my liver values (AST and ALT) are more than double the highest number in the normal range. I took the blood test 3 weekends upon stopping

gains are great, health problems are not
Hmm I took 20mg for a month with 1g milk thistle and 600mg nac and my values were normal...lipids on the other hand not so good

AlphaMaleDawg
07-13-2011, 08:15 PM
Hmm I took 20mg for a month with 1g milk thistle and 600mg nac and my values were normal...lipids on the other hand not so good

how long after stopping did you get the blood test?

asdf
07-19-2011, 10:55 PM
how long after stopping did you get the blood test?

Few days

ScottyMac710
07-20-2011, 11:45 AM
I've had liver values and triglycerides all come back very elevated and test values just under the bottom of the normal range a week or so post SD cycle .. DMZ isnt as bad for me as far at lethargy, nausea, and toxicity goes, but SD had me almost falling asleep all throughout the day and laying on the couch nearly unable to get myself to get up and do shit. SD also kills my appetite and gives me extreme nausea to the point that i'm forcing down food and fighting to keep from puking during and after workouts

I've only tried DMZ solo, but would personally love to try out IronMagLabs Super-DMZ as the reviews and results look awesome - pretty much what i get from DMZ solo but seems to be a bit stronger with the added low dose SD

adpolice
07-22-2011, 03:04 PM
I'm on day four of my first sdrol run and while it is too early i can really say that this is my favourite oral so far..

DevilsAdvocate
07-23-2011, 05:30 PM
I'm on day four of my first sdrol run and while it is too early i can really say that this is my favourite oral so far..

It's your first time running superdrol, on day 4, and it's your fav so far?

joe d
07-23-2011, 08:09 PM
I'm on day four of my first sdrol run and while it is too early i can really say that this is my favourite oral so far..

whats happening already that your liking. i could feel on the first day more gym energy and strength but still hate the drug do to its excessive toxicity.

adpolice
07-24-2011, 02:27 AM
whats happening already that your liking. i could feel on the first day more gym energy and strength but still hate the drug do to its excessive toxicity.

Pretty much i felt the same thing plus a slightly drier look..yeah the toxicity factor is what i hate too

DevilsAdvocate
07-24-2011, 10:27 AM
Which clone are you running?

chiropractor
07-24-2011, 10:59 AM
I'm on day four of my first sdrol run and while it is too early i can really say that this is my favourite oral so far..

What are you gonna run for pct?

adpolice
07-24-2011, 11:36 AM
What are you gonna run for pct?

I don't pct

adpolice
07-24-2011, 11:36 AM
Which clone are you running?

CEL mdrol,i also have purus labs epol wich is a combo of sdrol and estra-diene for a future cycle

Everex238
07-24-2011, 01:55 PM
epol is supposed to be great, wish they still made it, never tried it

adpolice
07-24-2011, 01:59 PM
epol is supposed to be great, wish they still made it, never tried it

Search uk supplements stores,a lot of them still carry purus labs products

adpolice
07-24-2011, 02:00 PM
I don't pct

But if i had to the typical,hcg then clomid just as with any steroid;)