Why the 70s Guys Didn't Do Cardio

[hifrommike65]

Bill Grant, quoted in the Nov. 2011 issue of Muscle & Fitness magazine, p. 98.

Q. We don't see the bodybuilders doing any cardio in Pumping Iron. Was that not part of your regimen?

A. We didn't do any back then. These [bodybuilders] today cardio their asses off. It's all cardio! What happened to the training? 'We gotta do hours and hours of cardio,' they say. Well, that's because they don't want to follow a really strict diet.

[Violator]

I seem to remember Arnold saying he did a 5 mile run every morning...

[Triple-H_2005]

Well, since ( IN Pumping Iron) Lou can clearly be heard telling his father that he was "gonna run about three miles today" on the way into the gym and Arnold talked about running and biking in his autobiography, I'm calling bullshit and wondering why whomever asked this question doesn't bother to dig the wax out of his/her ears.

[David Lees]

There's absolutely NO WAY that they didn't do cardio.

[DieselXT]

There's absolutely NO WAY that they didn't do cardio.

lol they didnt even PCT..........................:dunno:

[Baldiewonkanobi]

I recall only Bill Pearl doing regular cardio. 100 mile plus bike rides on Sundays. While I was never in the 'circle' I was there to witness a few wind sprints and 2 man vollyball on the sand at Muscle Beach....that was about it. My observation is that the 60-70-early 80s men did no cardio. I'll ask Drasin, he was on the inside.


Baldie

[ob205]

I believe they did cardio, but mostly only right before a contest. Also, at that level of conditioning, was that much cardio necessary? I would estimate body fat to be around 6-8% on avg.

[chris mason]

Arnold talked about bike riding etc. when he was taking a break from hard training, not when gearing up for a contest. The guys back then did less cardio I would guess simply because cardio is catabolic to muscle tissue and while they used drugs they were not on the cocktails used today that allow that kind of cardio without shrinking.

Oh, and riding a bike for 3 miles is hardly cardio...

[PTB]

Those guys worked out 4-5 hours per day - 2 separate sessions. I know Serge Nubret often talked about his very long workouts, as well as his huge caloric consumption.

[adpolice]

I remember Arnold offended when Dexter said he does no cardio after his Arnold classic victory..and stated that they did a lot of running outsides back then..

[5 Grams year round baby]

Yea they all trained retardedly long, 2-3 hour workouts... shit no need to do cardio when you do all that.

[Colin K]

Those guys worked out 4-5 hours per day - 2 separate sessions. I know Serge Nubret often talked about his very long workouts, as well as his huge caloric consumption.


4-5 hours? How do you know this "fact"? Maybe if 2-3 hours of that 4-5 was hanging out at the gym talking.

[leonidas]

Arnold or a guy from the golds era should guru me for 5 years just to see what happens. I'll stay at Arnold's aspen house.

[Kaotic]

It's kind of hard to belive that they didn't do any cardio. Im sure they did back then, but maybe not as crazy long sessions as now days (for some ppl that is). If I could get away with it, it would be nice to just be able to just lift weights and stay shredded without doing any cardio.

[JamesWebb]

those guys were not in shape compared to today. arnold would have to lose another at least ten pounds from his best ever to even stand on stage today.

[Curt James]

I remember Arnold offended when Dexter said he does no cardio after his Arnold classic victory..and stated that they did a lot of running outsides back then..

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[David Lees]

those guys were not in shape compared to today. arnold would have to lose another at least ten pounds from his best ever to even stand on stage today.


Take a close look at Arnold's posing routine during the '75 Olympia and tell me he wasn't in shape. He didn't have striated glutes but he was definitely ripped and big.

[Prince]

Arnold talked about bike riding etc. when he was taking a break from hard training, not when gearing up for a contest. The guys back then did less cardio I would guess simply because cardio is catabolic to muscle tissue and while they used drugs they were not on the cocktails used today that allow that kind of cardio without shrinking.


agreed.

[Curt James]

4-5 hours? How do you know this "fact"? Maybe if 2-3 hours of that 4-5 was hanging out at the gym talking.

Nubret is noted as regularly training each body part for one hour using relatively light weights, high repetitions, and little rest between sets. He was known for training two body parts per day and exercising every muscle group twice per week.

But, you're probably right. Nubret was hanging out, chatting with friends the bulk of the time.

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[Curt James]

I recall only Bill Pearl doing regular cardio. 100 mile plus bike rides on Sundays. While I was never in the 'circle' I was there to witness a few wind sprints and 2 man vollyball on the sand at Muscle Beach....that was about it. My observation is that the 60-70-early 80s men did no cardio. I'll ask Drasin, he was on the inside.


Baldie

Almost certain Drasin covered this in one of his videos, stating that they didn't do nearly the cardio that's done in this age.

[ob205]

Take a close look at Arnold's posing routine during the '75 Olympia and tell me he wasn't in shape. He didn't have striated glutes but he was definitely ripped and big.

How about check out the lower body of competitors, do you see shredded or striated glutes? NO, hence the higher bodyfat. Yes, they looked good but nowhere near as low body fat as today.

[data]

i don't believe a fucking word pros say haha.

[Colin K]

[QUOTE=Curt James;1560164]Nubret is noted as regularly training each body part for one hour using relatively light weights, high repetitions, and little rest between sets. He was known for training two body parts per day and exercising every muscle group twice per week."


Thats still only 2 hours total per day as opposed to the 4-5 hour comment i was referring to. I think a lot of what we are told is just a pile of crap for someone else to feel like they train harder than the next guy. or that they dont have it as easy, basically an excuse if they loose.

Each to their own when it comes to training, if 8 sets per body part works then great, but if you need 25-30 then bad luck, thats a long ass workout.

I normally do about 15-20 depending on the muscle group. in and out in 40-50 minutes.

[John Hansen]

From what I remember reading in the magazines, the only cardio they did was running, usually on the beach. I can tell you that, aside from a couple stationary bikes, there was no cardio equipment back then. The first couple gyms I belonged to didn't have any cardio equipment except maybe a stationary bike and one Lifecycle. And the only TV's in the gym was a little TV on the front desk of the gym. I know Mentzer used to ride his bike a lot to burn calories when he was training for a show because he had a pretty slow metabolism and he did very short training sessions.

[ritch]

[QUOTE=Curt James;1560164]Nubret is noted as regularly training each body part for one hour using relatively light weights, high repetitions, and little rest between sets. He was known for training two body parts per day and exercising every muscle group twice per week."


Thats still only 2 hours total per day as opposed to the 4-5 hour comment i was referring to. I think a lot of what we are told is just a pile of crap for someone else to feel like they train harder than the next guy. or that they dont have it as easy, basically an excuse if they loose.

Each to their own when it comes to training, if 8 sets per body part works then great, but if you need 25-30 then bad luck, thats a long ass workout.

I normally do about 15-20 depending on the muscle group. in and out in 40-50 minutes.

so that means you rest on average 1.5 minutes between sets? How can you do that if you train heavy? Or do you just do light pump sets?

[Curt James]

Nubret is noted as regularly training each body part for one hour using relatively light weights, high repetitions, and little rest between sets. He was known for training two body parts per day and exercising every muscle group twice per week."


Thats still only 2 hours total per day as opposed to the 4-5 hour comment i was referring to. I think a lot of what we are told is just a pile of crap for someone else to feel like they train harder than the next guy. or that they dont have it as easy, basically an excuse if they loose.

Each to their own when it comes to training, if 8 sets per body part works then great, but if you need 25-30 then bad luck, thats a long ass workout.

I normally do about 15-20 depending on the muscle group. in and out in 40-50 minutes.

Maybe it's just a myth, but Nubret was famous for his incredibly long workouts. Also perhaps the author of that article I was quoting wasn't clear on muscle groups versus body parts. If arms was broken down into an hour for biceps, hour on triceps, and an hour on forearms? :dunno:

Nubret definitely did not follow the Mentzer model.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

From what I remember reading in the magazines, the only cardio they did was running, usually on the beach. I can tell you that, aside from a couple stationary bikes, there was no cardio equipment back then. The first couple gyms I belonged to didn't have any cardio equipment except maybe a stationary bike and one Lifecycle. And the only TV's in the gym was a little TV on the front desk of the gym. I know Mentzer used to ride his bike a lot to burn calories when he was training for a show because he had a pretty slow metabolism and he did very short training sessions.

Pretty damn close. Just got off the phone with Ric Drasin, Arnolds WO partner for 4 years. On an irregular basis and a whim they would sprint on the wet sand up the beach to the Santa Monica pier and back. One mile total. The stationary bikes and a Precor 'sort of thing' were hit on a sporatic basis. Twice a days with the weights were common.

Baldie

[Deano]

From what I remember reading in the magazines, the only cardio they did was running, usually on the beach. I can tell you that, aside from a couple stationary bikes, there was no cardio equipment back then. The first couple gyms I belonged to didn't have any cardio equipment except maybe a stationary bike and one Lifecycle. And the only TV's in the gym was a little TV on the front desk of the gym. I know Mentzer used to ride his bike a lot to burn calories when he was training for a show because he had a pretty slow metabolism and he did very short training sessions.
This is correct. I also heard that Mike Mentzer use to diet below a thousand calories for a lot of days also! I think it was Ric Drasin who mentioned this if i remember???

[PTB]

Just went back and listened to an old PBW interview with Serge.
Amongst his claims
1.) He would do up to 50 sets per bodypart per workout for legs, back, chest. 15-18 sets for arms
2.) Never used any protein powders
3.) 800g of protein per day
4.) Doesn't believe in overtraining due to his food consumption. 5000+ calories per day
5.) Abs - 2000 situps
6.) Never dieted, nor did cardio. The rate and speed of his training WAS his cardio. 30 second rest between sets
7.) To prep for a show, he never decreased his food, but trained longer and harder.
8.) At 70, he still trained 3 hours per day.

** You could call it all BS, but it's from his mouth.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I am not sure why so many people have such a hard time believing some of these guys don't do cardio. It isn't essential by any means. It just burns a few extra calories. With the right diet and drugs, you could easily get away with it

[cook]

I trained at a gym in Texas in the late 70`s.I specify in Texas because I was nowhere near Arnold and never saw him train.I was a powerlifter and the gym was mostly powerlifters but there were about five competitive bodybuilders there.They were pretty good on the state level.None of them did any cardio and there was no bikes or treadmils in the gym.Now if it was known that Arnold and Robby Robinson and all them were doing a lot of cardio I`m sure these guys would have been doing it too.Maybe the top guys were doing some running or walking and just didn`t think it was worth mentioning.

[Dre23]

so that means you rest on average 1.5 minutes between sets? How can you do that if you train heavy? Or do you just do light pump sets?

Of course he is a complete freak of nature, but doesn't Jay Cutler train for 25+ sets in about an hour? That's about the same pace, and while he doesn't lift "Ronnie Coleman Heavy", I would still say that it is 'heavy' per se.

Just like anything else, the body can be conditioned to lift heavy weights with short breaks in between sets over time.

Not that Colin K is Jay Cutler by any means, but thought I'd just chime in. ;)

[ritch]

Of course he is a complete freak of nature, but doesn't Jay Cutler train for 25+ sets in about an hour? That's about the same pace, and while he doesn't lift "Ronnie Coleman Heavy", I would still say that it is 'heavy' per se.

Just like anything else, the body can be conditioned to lift heavy weights with short breaks in between sets over time.

Not that Colin K is Jay Cutler by any means, but thought I'd just chime in. ;)

well damn, I rest a good 3 minutes! But my post workout cardio is really helping me feel less winded between sets and aim to bring the time down, but I train HIT, and want to be 100% sure I can give each set my all, then some... I'm in no hurry either so don't feel the need to train short and no way do I believe in the cortisol crap theories of training over an hour.

I drink intra calories up to 100 grams of gatorade and 40-50 grams of whey to keep me going and being on gear says "fuck you cortisol, come back some other time"

[ritch]

but the cardio even if you're an ecto like me is a good thing to do. Blood pressure, heart health anyone? Also you can do stair master sessions stepping up only with your calves. This is all I do now, and works as well, even slightly better than conventional calve training. My "glutes" have also benefited from doing this, squats and deads don't do shit to help my poor small, flat white boy ass get bigger and rounder... Or maybe I just "plumped' up too much in the last week, but hey, getting my sex back and starting to eat good again this Friday...

But fuck it, gonna do some pin inventory here, see if I can get started on synthol again, to finish once and for all what I started this summer!

[cook]

but the cardio even if you're an ecto like me is a good thing to do. Blood pressure, heart health anyone? Also you can do stair master sessions stepping up only with your calves. This is all I do now, and works as well, even slightly better than conventional calve training. My "glutes" have also benefited from doing this, squats and deads don't do shit to help my poor small, flat white boy ass get bigger and rounder... Or maybe I just "plumped' up too much in the last week, but hey, getting my sex back and starting to eat good again this Friday...

But fuck it, gonna do some pin inventory here, see if I can get started on synthol again, to finish once and for all what I started this summer!
Oh yeah cardio I think should be done regardless of your views on its bodybuilding value.My dad had a heart attack and the first thing they did was put him on a walking program.

[Taylor Normandeau]

They didn't use treadmills or cardio equipment but they were very active outdoors and like others said, ran/rode bikes/ etc. Columbu was a boxer.



They also weren't as lean, and didn't eat as many calories cause they carried so much less mass. When you are eating 3,000 cals a day, training for 3 hours, and only trying to get to 7% bodyfat, a few bike rides or jogs a week is plenty.

[Kenny Kola]

I used to subscribe to Frank Zane's quarterly publication Building The Body.

I remember there was an article where Zane detailed his pre-contest routine for the Mr. Olympia competiton in 1983.

Okay, three years out :finger:, but he was crowned Mister O in 1977, 78 & 79 and was a renowned bodybuilder from the 70's "Golden Era".

It's all in there, but he mentioned that he rode his bicycle for cardio. Or as he terms it "aerobics".

And, not for 30 minutes,...... Oh, no! Not even 33, or 35, but EXACTLY 34 minutes! LMAO

No longer a subscriber, the information (like most BB magazines), was incredibly repetitive, and Frank was forever going on about his fucking flute and harmonica! :D

Riveting, utterly riveting.....


Here's a photograph of Zane on his bike, with Wife, Christine.

And, underneath that is the article in FULL - taken from the Autumn 2009 Edition - which I've just scanned and uploaded, to share with those who are interested.

Also, beneath is Frank's Posing Routine from the 1983 Olympia competition.



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ZHBtlGpcoAs

^^^^^^^^


"Now that, that's is what I call posing...." - Arnold Schwarzenegger (Pumping Iron 1977)


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[ritch]

too bad Zane did not push the dose further, on his frame, another good 20lbs of muscle he could have been a huge contender...

[cook]

You know...I do remember reading back then Robby Robinson saying he used to run up some long ass stairs on the beach in Venice that lead to the street.He would run up and back several times.

[Triple-H_2005]

too bad Zane did not push the dose further, on his frame, another good 20lbs of muscle he could have been a huge contender...

As opposed to just being a medium-sized Mr. Olympia?:p

[Colin K]

[quote=Colin K;1560230]

so that means you rest on average 1.5 minutes between sets? How can you do that if you train heavy? Or do you just do light pump sets?


1.5 to 2 minutes max rest for me. if im training arms i superset bicep and tricep for the entire workout, 26 sets total in 40 minutes is the norm.
A natty at 187lbs, 10% BF i think 17 inch arms are doing ok... or maybe im wrong.

All other bodyparts fall into the 15-20 sets total 40-50 minutes.

As said by Dre23 said, your body can be conditioned so everyone will recover at different rates. Now, could i lift more if i took a longer break....sure. but to me its not about moving the weight from A to B with the heaviest weight possible, its stimulate the muscle and leave.

[ritch]

[quote=ritch;1560244]


1.5 to 2 minutes max rest for me. if im training arms i superset bicep and tricep for the entire workout, 26 sets total in 40 minutes is the norm.
A natty at 187lbs, 10% BF i think 17 inch arms are doing ok... or maybe im wrong.

All other bodyparts fall into the 15-20 sets total 40-50 minutes.

As said by Dre23 said, your body can be conditioned so everyone will recover at different rates. Now, could i lift more if i took a longer break....sure. but to me its not about moving the weight from A to B with the heaviest weight possible, its stimulate the muscle and leave.

key words right there, don't you think that would be better? Not saying that because I do it, but I do what allows me to use the heaviest weights.

But 17 inch arms with your stats is very good, most can't get them like that at your bodyweight.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

You know...I do remember reading back then Robby Robinson saying he used to run up some long ass stairs on the beach in Venice that lead to the street.He would run up and back several times.

Venice Beach and street are just about the same level? North at Santa Monica Beach there is a long stairway from the beach and Highway 1 leading up to the City. I grew up in Venice/Santa Monica beach area. Pic attached shows me in the stripe shirt sitting on the Muscle Beach posing platform....1951.

Baldie

[cook]

Cool Baldie..those stairs at Santa Monica beach must be the ones he was talking about.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

Here is pic of Santa Monica Stairs.


Baldie

[Kenny Kola]

Venice Beach and street are just about the same level? North at Santa Monica Beach there is a long stairway from the beach and Highway 1 leading up to the City. I grew up in Venice/Santa Monica beach area. Pic attached shows me in the stripe shirt sitting on the Muscle Beach posing platform....1951.

Baldie

So cool. That's AWESOME, Baldie! http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/Untitled1082.jpg




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[John Smeton]

If you watch Rics corner series he talks about Arnold a lot and a lot of his interviews talk about Arnold. I heard it mentioned a few times that Arnold and his running buddy used to live 5 minutes from the beach and run on the beach pretty frequently

training with Arnold part 1 - YouTube

[Baldiewonkanobi]

I guess this is somewhat thread stealing....however:
I do know a little bit about what the 70s Pros did as I hung around the fringes. Way too Ecto and geeky to gain an entry card. I did grow finally and with the training of Steve Reeves in the 50s and Bill and Harry Pearl in the early 80s finally win the Mr. Muscle Beach title. Pics attached of me at 46 wining the Masters Muscle Beach 235 pounds (next to flag) and at 70 with my pal Drasin at Muscle Beach.

Baldie

[cmeis90]

If anything they probably did more cardio back then than now. I definitely don't want to get into a drug debate but I would be willing to bet the pros today barely need to do cardio to get into condition. There are plenty of other "things" that strip the little fat off they have. They probably do it now more for health than anything.

[John Hansen]

Thanks for scanning that article from Zane. That was interesting, I always enjoyed reading Zane's articles. He's brutally honest and was very aware of his strong points and weak points.

[Curt James]

and being on gear says "fuck you cortisol, come back some other time"

There's at least one online trainer type deal -- Hodge Twins -- on YouTube and they echo your sentiment, that if you're on gear then you'll be able to hammer your body for hours, but natural types are encouraged to get in and out of the gym in under 45 minutes.

[ritch]

There's at least one online trainer type deal -- Hodge Twins -- on YouTube and they echo your sentiment, that if you're on gear then you'll be able to hammer your body for hours, but natural types are encouraged to get in and out of the gym in under 45 minutes.

complete nonsense, how the hell are you supposed to train 2 body parts in that much time? Not gonna happen. If they mean 45 minutes of time under tension, no counting the warm ups between excercises and such fine. But that's just rediculous.

No much info out there, so much confusion...

[Curt James]

(snip) ZHBtlGpcoAs


Arnold is a God to me, but how betrayed Zane must have felt in 1980.

"Arnold said I should go to Australia and defend my title so I endured tremendous suffering and attempted to make it four in a row..."

Schwarzenegger encouraged him to compete in '80 even after Zane told him of the injury. If Arnold knew at that time that he was going to pull a surprise entry then he could have saved Zane some misery.

Great posing routine above. :bowdown: Zane finishing with his trademark vacuum.

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[ritch]

Zane had the best vacuum pose of all time!

[Kenny Kola]

I guess this is somewhat thread stealing....however:
I do know a little bit about what the 70s Pros did as I hung around the fringes. Way too Ecto and geeky to gain an entry card. I did grow finally and with the training of Steve Reeves in the 50s and Bill and Harry Pearl in the early 80s finally win the Mr. Muscle Beach title. Pics attached of me at 46 wining the Masters Muscle Beach 235 pounds (next to flag) and at 70 with my pal Drasin at Muscle Beach.

Baldie


Not hijacking at all. I always look forward to reading your posts.

You trained with Steve Reeves, for Christ's sake! Baldie you're LEGEND! :bowdown:



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[Curt James]

^^^^
THIS! :yep:


complete nonsense, how the hell are you supposed to train 2 body parts in that much time? Not gonna happen. If they mean 45 minutes of time under tension, no counting the warm ups between excercises and such fine. But that's just rediculous.

No much info out there, so much confusion...

They're on YouTube. Look them up for that answer, but I will say that they only do about 15 sets per workout.

[chris mason]

Curt, you can't use Nubret as an example as he was always a HUGE exception to the norm. He DID train with very high volume and moderate weights and would try to get more work done in a given period of time with each workout. He also reportedly at basically 1 meal per day and it was HUGE. My point is that his methods were nothing like the rest of the stars of his day or any other.

[txhawkeyes]

Baldie, I'm in awe man. I have two little girls, ages 8 n 9, and we went to Disneylandtwice two years ago. (My wife is a hotel GM.... :) But I looked up a bunch of stuff I wanted to see out in LA, and Venice Beach was on top of my list, along with the Harley Dealer that is so huge just north a bit.

But with the girls being small, traffic horrible, and us staying down by the big Dland park, we just didn't have time. I was heart broken. That is the
the Nazareth or Bethlehem of it all, in my little mind ! :)


Love the postings and the pictures. Keep em coming ! California rules.

:heythere::yep::udaman:

[BC123Jm]

Zane had the best vacuum pose of all time!


agreed

[sassy69]

Blah, I can't find any pictures but I was going to make a joke about Arnold posing w/ girls on his shoulders is the BB's equivalent to the Farmer's Walk for aerobic activity!

[John Hansen]

Arnold is a God to me, but how betrayed Zane must have felt in 1980.

"Arnold said I should go to Australia and defend my title so I endured tremendous suffering and attempted to make it four in a row..."

Schwarzenegger encouraged him to compete in '80 even after Zane told him of the injury. If Arnold knew at that time that he was going to pull a surprise entry then he could have saved Zane some misery.

Great posing routine above. :bowdown: Zane finishing with his trademark vacuum.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HbBWiUfCBKE/TSFPSj7pItI/AAAAAAAACGs/fvmCC2GajJw/s512/zanevacuum2.jpg

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When Zane was winning the Olympia in the late '70's, he used to go to Arnold and pose for him every year to get his input. When he was posing for him in 1980, it was after cutting open his urethra in an accident and he was hospitalized and lost a lot of weight. He wasn't sure if he should do the show or not and he asked Arnold his opinion and Arnold told him to go for it. Zane asked Arnold if he was doing the show because he was training hard and looking bigger and Arnold said he was going but only to do the commentary for CBS television. He said he was training hard to film the upcoming Conan movie. He totally misled Zane and didn't tell him the truth.

[Curt James]

^^^^ That's the story I heard as well. Might have been Zane being interviewed on PBW, but I can't recall. :-(


Blah, I can't find any pictures but I was going to make a joke about Arnold posing w/ girls on his shoulders is the BB's equivalent to the Farmer's Walk for aerobic activity!

It's all in the search string.

Found these using "arnold and babes".

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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p_2Tq0AIBHE/Tp9qh5jovrI/AAAAAAAAIrI/_81aNxH15og/s389/arnold-and-friend.jpg
^^^^ Google obviously thought I meant "arnold and boobs". :rolleyes:

Same search string resulted in these pics, though.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qxtkog_Vkwg/Tp9qRl0S1lI/AAAAAAAAIqQ/u6wATS5furU/s539/arnold%252520and%252520friends5.jpg :yep:

And I guess the search engine interpreted "babes" as in "out of the mouths of babes" or children. Have seen this pic of Arnold in the classroom but never with a fellow student.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b6hXyxrICTU/Tp9qWXEdnmI/AAAAAAAAIq4/ZluecAjHS2Y/s276/arnold-and-friend3.jpg

Plus check out poofy-hair Arnold and a much much younger Maria! :flowers:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-gz2aQ8YV32A/Tp9qah1ocXI/AAAAAAAAIrE/WGCUsORzjYs/s720/Arnold-Maria1980-Toronto.jpg

The image offered that it was Arnold and Maria, Toronto, 1980.

[Curt James]

too bad Zane did not push the dose further, on his frame, another good 20lbs of muscle he could have been a huge contender...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ujwa1lbNq2A/Tp93_S3AIQI/AAAAAAAAIrQ/IHSIWq5JcKA/s800/nsis-zane.jpg


As opposed to just being a medium-sized Mr. Olympia?:p

lulz :yep:

Yeah, if only. Boy, that Zane. What a ******* wash-out.

1964

North American Championships - IFBB, Medium, 3rd

1965

Mr East Coast - IFBB, Tall, 3rd
Junior Mr America - IFBB, Medium, 1st
Universe - IFBB, Medium, 1st

1966

Mr America - IFBB, Medium, 1st
Mr East Coast - IFBB, Overall Winner
Mr East Coast - IFBB, Tall, 1st
Mr Eastern America - IFBB, Medium, 2nd
North American Championships - IFBB, Medium, 1st
North American Championships - IFBB, Overall Winner

1967

Mr America - IFBB, Medium, 1st
Universe - IFBB, Tall, 3rd

1968

Mr America - IFBB, Medium, 1st
Mr America - IFBB, Overall Winner
Mr International - IFBB, Medium, 1st
Mr International - IFBB, Overall Winner
Universe - IFBB, Winner

1969

Mr World - IFBB, Medium, 1st
Mr World - IFBB, Overall Winner

1970

Mr Universe - NABBA, Medium, 1st
Mr Universe - NABBA, Overall Winner

1971

Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 1st

1972

Olympia - IFBB, 4th
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Overall Winner
Universe - Pro - NABBA, Short, 1st

1974

Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 2nd

1975

Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 4th

1976

Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 2nd

1977

Olympia - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 1st

1978

Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 1st
Olympia - IFBB, Winner

1979

Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 1st
Olympia - IFBB, Overall Winner

1980

Olympia - IFBB, 3rd

1982

Olympia - IFBB, 2nd

1983

Olympia - IFBB, 4th

Great competitive record, plus not a few magazine covers as well. :eek:

Magazines
Vol 2, Num 2 Peak Muscle Maker
Vol 3, Num 2 Peak Muscle Maker
Vol 1, Num 5 Peak Muscle Maker

http://musclememory.com/magCovers/pmk/pmk0105.jpg

1966 November Vol 8, Num 8 Muscle Builder
1967 January Strength and Health
1967 May Vol 8, Num 12 Mr America
1968 January Vol 9, Num 9 Mr America
1968 July Vol 97, Num 14 Health and Strength
1968 July Vol 10, Num 2 Mr America
1969 September Vol 11, Num 2 Mr America
1969 September Num 21 Muscle Training Illustrated
1969 November Vol 11, Num 3 Mr America
1970 August Vol 11, Num 6 Muscle Builder
1970 October Vol 12, Num 3 Mr America
1970 October Vol 11, Num 6 Muscle Builder

http://musclememory.com/magCovers/mb/mb7010.jpg

1970 November Vol 99, Num 11 Health and Strength
1971 January Vol 12, Num 8 Mr America
1971 July Vol 12, Num 11 Muscle Builder
1972 April Vol 101, Num 4 Health and Strength
1972 November Vol 101, Num 11 Health and Strength
1973 January Vol 102, Num 1 Health and Strength
1973 March Vol 32, Num 3 IronMan
1974 October Vol 15, Num 4 Muscle Builder
1974 November Vol 103, Num 11 Health and Strength
1975 August Vol 1, Num 3 Muscle Mag International
1976 September Vol 17, Num 6 Muscle Builder
1977 Vol 1, Num 5 Muscle Digest
1977 February Vol 18, Num 1 Muscle Builder
1977 March Vol 18, Num 2 Muscle Builder
1977 August Vol 18, Num 7 Muscle Builder
1978 Muscle Mag Annual
1978 January Vol 19, Num 1 Muscle Builder
1978 March Vol 37, Num 3 IronMan
1978 June Vol 19, Num 1 Muscle Builder
1978 October Vol 2, Num 4 Muscle Digest
1978 November Vol 3, Num 3 Muscle Mag International

http://musclememory.com/magCovers/mmi/mmi0303.jpg

1979 Muscle Mag Annual
1979 February Vol 40, Num 1 Muscle Builder
1979 May Vol 40, Num 5 Muscle Builder
1980 February Vol 41, Num 2 Muscle Builder
1980 March Vol 39, Num 3 IronMan
1980 March Num 17 Muscle Mag International
1980 May Num 18 Muscle Mag International
1980 August Vol 41, Num 8 Muscle and Fitness
1981 February Vol 3, Num 9 Muscle Up
1982 September Num 31 Muscle Mag International
1983 March Vol 7, Num 3 Muscle Digest
1983 May Vol 42, Num 4 IronMan
1983 May Num 35 Muscle Mag International
1984 January Vol 1, Num 10 Flex
1984 February Vol 45, Num 2 Muscle and Fitness
1984 April Num 113 Muscle Training Illustrated
1984 October Num 46 Muscle Mag International
1984 November Vol 1, Num 1 Muscle and Power
1986 September Vol 45, Num 6 IronMan

http://musclememory.com/magCovers/im/im4506.jpg

1989 December Vol 7, Num 10 Flex
1989 December Vol 50, Num 12 Muscle and Fitness
2001 Vol 4, Num 1 Planet Muscle
2003 April Vol 129, Num 2 Health and Strength
2008 June Vol 67, Num 6 IronMan
2008 August Vol 26, Num 6 Flex

Meh. Zane.

[Taylor Normandeau]

Zane was great but over-rated.


No I'm not saying he wasn't amazing, but he has cult like god status on a lot of forums. I think it's just a knee-jerk reaction to the gross lumps of mass that occupy a lot of stages these days. He was blessed with a very pleasing shape and structure, but didn't really develop it.


Now I admit more people would rather look like him then 300 lb monster, but this is bodybuilding and he looked like a fitness model who grew a taste for dbol.

[Taylor Normandeau]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ujwa1lbNq2A/Tp93_S3AIQI/AAAAAAAAIrQ/IHSIWq5JcKA/s800/nsis-zane.jpg


Sick picture, how come he looks bigger here then in any competition photos I have ever seen?

[ritch]

^^^ I don't think the pic was shopped, he came in really big one year (can't remember which)

[Curt James]

^^^^ Agreed (and also can't remember which year he was super-sized). Arthur Jones teased him one time with a paper tape measure, asking him to offer an arm measurement. Jones also guessed that his body weight was closer to 165 lbs. than 200 lbs. Forget where I read that. Might be a story in "The Natilus Bodybuilding Book".


Zane was great but over-rated.


No I'm not saying he wasn't amazing, but he has cult like god status on a lot of forums. I think it's just a knee-jerk reaction to the gross lumps of mass that occupy a lot of stages these days. He was blessed with a very pleasing shape and structure, but didn't really develop it.


Now I admit more people would rather look like him then 300 lb monster, but this is bodybuilding and he looked like a fitness model who grew a taste for dbol.

Woe be to you, good sir, for you are surely going to HELL! :sad:




...

Or maybe just Newville, just a few miles down the road from me, brother.

[Curt James]

Check Kenny Kola's scanned Zane article. Believe Zane states the year his weight was the heaviest/he was at his biggest. 1983, right? Although that "Not sure if serious..." pic is him in 1978, I'd bet. :dunno:


(snip)

http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/Zane1000-1.jpg

http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/Zane1000-2.jpg

http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/Zane2000-1.jpg

http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/Zane2000-2.jpg(snip)

[Curt James]

Guess 1978 because of this cover. Of course, they use magazine cover images a million years past when the photos were taken, so...

http://www.vintagemusclemags.com/magCovers/mb/mb7806.jpg

Same look?

(And that five-minute edit window is just too dang slim. :cloud:)

[ritch]

^^^ Zane is smaller than some MPD contestants in that pic.

[Curt James]

At a buck-eighty or ninety, not a big hurdle to surpass, of course. But Zane's shape is difficult to match. :dunno:

[KTTraining]

I guess this is somewhat thread stealing....however:
I do know a little bit about what the 70s Pros did as I hung around the fringes. Way too Ecto and geeky to gain an entry card. I did grow finally and with the training of Steve Reeves in the 50s and Bill and Harry Pearl in the early 80s finally win the Mr. Muscle Beach title. Pics attached of me at 46 wining the Masters Muscle Beach 235 pounds (next to flag) and at 70 with my pal Drasin at Muscle Beach.

Baldie


Great pictures!! Keep em coming.. great one at 70...thick!!

[BigJD69]

Bill Grant, quoted in the Nov. 2011 issue of Muscle & Fitness magazine, p. 98.

Q. We don't see the bodybuilders doing any cardio in Pumping Iron. Was that not part of your regimen?

A. We didn't do any back then. These [bodybuilders] today cardio their asses off. It's all cardio! What happened to the training? 'We gotta do hours and hours of cardio,' they say. Well, that's because they don't want to follow a really strict diet.
I recall Sergio Oliva Jr. saying that his father couldn't help him with the diet part of BBing because "they" didn't diet back then!

[John Hansen]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ujwa1lbNq2A/Tp93_S3AIQI/AAAAAAAAIrQ/IHSIWq5JcKA/s800/nsis-zane.jpg


Sick picture, how come he looks bigger here then in any competition photos I have ever seen?

This picture is from 1976, when he took second to Franco. I think he looks bigger because of the backdrop to the picture. He was at his biggest in 1982, when he took 2nd to Dickerson. He looked real big standing relaxed that year but not as impressive when he posed because he wasn't as ripped as he usually was. His weight when he was winning the Olympia from 1977-79 was in the high 180's to low 190's.

[a-dog]

^^^^ Agreed (and also can't remember which year he was super-sized). Arthur Jones teased him one time with a paper tape measure, asking him to offer an arm measurement. Jones also guessed that his body weight was closer to 165 lbs. than 200 lbs. Forget where I read that. Might be a story in "The Natilus Bodybuilding Book".



Woe be to you, good sir, for you are surely going to HELL! :sad:




...

Or maybe just Newville, just a few miles down the road from me, brother.



I actually just read this story over the weekend in John Little's New HIT book that came out a couple of years ago. The story goes that he (arthur jones) asked Zane how much he weighed and Zane repleied 198, Jones said 168 and Zane was a little shocked so Jones suggested they get a scale and settle it, Zane changed the subject.

I have always liked Zane's physique.

As to the title of the thread I was always under the impression that being totally ripped wasn't really "the thing" until Zane started coming into shows in such incredible (for the time) condition. Then it went to another level when Gaspari came along. I wonder what kind of cardio Rich did when he hit the pro's in 85. The first gym I trained at was pretty hardcore and they only had 2 old aerodyne bikes...this was in 88-89

[Triple-H_2005]

I actually just read this story over the weekend in John Little's New HIT book that came out a couple of years ago. The story goes that he (arthur jones) asked Zane how much he weighed and Zane repleied 198, Jones said 168 and Zane was a little shocked so Jones suggested they get a scale and settle it, Zane changed the subject.



Although it's not the theme of the thread, I want to comment on this and say that I think most bodybuilders, past and present, would change the subject if they were forced to stand on a scale the day of a show (and most of the offseason!) to verify their bodyweight.

[ob205]

Although it's not the theme of the thread, I want to comment on this and say that I think most bodybuilders, past and present, would change the subject if they were forced to stand on a scale the day of a show (and most of the offseason!) to verify their bodyweight.

They did have an official weigh-in one year it was in the late 80's I believe, but the numbers were much lower than what is always told.

I remember Samir, Haney, and others were in there. I am sure Curt James or some other BB historian knows the name or can post a vid.

[John Hansen]

They did have an official weigh-in one year it was in the late 80's I believe, but the numbers were much lower than what is always told.

I remember Samir, Haney, and others were in there. I am sure Curt James or some other BB historian knows the name or can post a vid.

It was the '88 Olympia and, you're right, most of the bodybuilders weighed much less than they claimed they weighed. Labrada was 176, Gaspari was 209, Mike Quinn was 204, Mike Ashley was only 189. Even Strydom was in the 220's. When Haney got on the scale, everyone knew the contest was over. He weighed in at 247.

[toxic Avenger]

When Zane was winning the Olympia in the late '70's, he used to go to Arnold and pose for him every year to get his input. When he was posing for him in 1980, it was after cutting open his urethra in an accident and he was hospitalized and lost a lot of weight. He wasn't sure if he should do the show or not and he asked Arnold his opinion and Arnold told him to go for it. Zane asked Arnold if he was doing the show because he was training hard and looking bigger and Arnold said he was going but only to do the commentary for CBS television. He said he was training hard to film the upcoming Conan movie. He totally misled Zane and didn't tell him the truth.
Or he changed his mind later on.

[JamesWebb]

Take a close look at Arnold's posing routine during the '75 Olympia and tell me he wasn't in shape. He didn't have striated glutes but he was definitely ripped and big.

you basically just proved my point. he was in great beach shape but compared to the guys getting on stage at the national level or the pro level he would have had to lose at least another ten pounds to get his legs in shape.

[Triple-H_2005]

It was the '88 Olympia and, you're right, most of the bodybuilders weighed much less than they claimed they weighed. Labrada was 176, Gaspari was 209, Mike Quinn was 204, Mike Ashley was only 189. Even Strydom was in the 220's. When Haney got on the scale, everyone knew the contest was over. He weighed in at 247.
This was exactly the example I remembered.

They wore robes, like boxers, didn't they? I remember one of the magazines had pics of several of the guy's faces as they weighed. They mostly all looked like "No, wait...that can't be right!"...

[toxic Avenger]

you basically just proved my point. he was in great beach shape but compared to the guys getting on stage at the national level or the pro level he would have had to lose at least another ten pounds to get his legs in shape.
...and a 1955 Desoto with it's 400 cubic inch chrome dome engine and push button automatic transmission was no match for a 1973 427 cubic inch Corvette with 4 speed Muncie and 4 wheel independent suspension. Both were tits in their era but time marches on. I really don't know why you periodically damn the Golden Era BBers in this way. You make obvious points but in my mind it diminishes their accomplishment as the pioneers of the sport. That I feel is disrespectful.

[Curt James]

What would happen if they sent Kai Greene or Dennis Wolf back in time and they had to make do with the supplements available in, say, John Grimek's era?

Time marches on, yes, but so have the various compounds, dieting techniques, etc. that help create today's mass monsters.

[cook]

What would happen if they sent Kai Greene or Dennis Wolf back in time and they had to make do with the supplements available in, say, John Grimek's era?

Time marches on, yes, but so have the various compounds, dieting techniques, etc. that help create today's mass monsters.
Exactly,anyone remember in the mid 80`s when William "Refrigerator" Perry came to the NFL? His big deal was he was over 300 lbs.He was an average player who became a celebrity because he was 300lbs.Now in 2011 there are probably 300 players in the NFL that are over 300.Nobody even looks twice at a 300 lb. NFLer.

[Kenny Kola]

They did have an official weigh-in one year it was in the late 80's I believe, but the numbers were much lower than what is always told.

I remember Samir, Haney, and others were in there. I am sure Curt James or some other BB historian knows the name or can post a vid.


It was the '88 Olympia and, you're right, most of the bodybuilders weighed much less than they claimed they weighed. Labrada was 176, Gaspari was 209, Mike Quinn was 204, Mike Ashley was only 189. Even Strydom was in the 220's. When Haney got on the scale, everyone knew the contest was over. He weighed in at 247.


This was exactly the example I remembered.

They wore robes, like boxers, didn't they? I remember one of the magazines had pics of several of the guy's faces as they weighed. They mostly all looked like "No, wait...that can't be right!"...

Yes, you're right. It was from Mr. Olympia 1988. http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/Untitled1082.jpg

I remember it was featured in amongst the documentary which was made following the main competitors, called Battle For Gold.

I recently watched it again, because I viewed the Bob Paris posing routine featured in another thread, in MC.


Bob Paris Straight= MULTI Mr. O - RX Muscle Forums


Sorry guys, been busy. Otherwise, I would have posted it much sooner. :cool:

Here are the clips I've found online, where Strydom, Gaspari, Kawak and "German Giant" Ralf Moller are weighed in. (Tom Platz does the commentary).

Gary Strydom = 229lbs
Rich Gaspari = 209.5lbs
Ralf Moeller - 288lbs
Edwardo Kawak = 215lbs

The other guys who entered were:

Lee Haney 243 1/4
Berry DeMey 227 :bowdown:
Lee Labrada 176
Mike Quinn 204
Brian Buchanan 210
Samir Bannout 205
Ron Love 222 1/2
Bob Paris 226
Mohamed Benaziza 188
Phil Hill 222 1/2
Shawn Ray 201 1/2
Mike Ashley 189 1/2
Albert Beckles 200
Robby Robinson 216 1/2
Peter Hensel 240 1/2
Luiz Freitas 219 1/2



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http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/KennyKola-BobParisGIF1000COMPLETE.gif


http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/KennyKola-BobParisGIF2000COMPLETE.gif

[D_T]

They didn't do cardio because they weren't trying to cut on 5,000 cals a day.

[Taylor Normandeau]

Wait, hold the fucking phones here. I couldn't get passed THIS



When Zane was winning the Olympia in the late '70's, he used to go to Arnold and pose for him every year to get his input. When he was posing for him in 1980, it was after cutting open his urethra in an accident and he was hospitalized and lost a lot of weight. He wasn't sure if he should do the show or not and he asked Arnold his opinion and Arnold told him to go for it. Zane asked Arnold if he was doing the show because he was training hard and looking bigger and Arnold said he was going but only to do the commentary for CBS television. He said he was training hard to film the upcoming Conan movie. He totally misled Zane and didn't tell him the truth.

WTF? Ouch!

[Ryan Wacht]

too bad Zane did not push the dose further, on his frame, another good 20lbs of muscle he could have been a huge contender...

Then again, he might be dead alright if he had pushed the envelope further. From what I Gather, he's healthy today and is over 70 I believe..

[Ryan Wacht]

Yes, you're right. It was from Mr. Olympia 1988. http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/Untitled1082.jpg

I remember it was featured in amongst the documentary which was made following the main competitors, called Battle For Gold.

I recently watched it again, because I viewed the Bob Paris posing routine featured in another thread, in MC.


Bob Paris Straight= MULTI Mr. O - RX Muscle Forums (http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=61743)


Sorry guys, been busy. Otherwise, I would have posted it much sooner. :cool:

Here are the clips I've found online, where Strydom, Gaspari, Kawak and "German Giant" Ralf Moller are weighed in. (Tom Platz does the commentary).

Gary Strydom = 229lbs
Rich Gaspari = 209.5lbs
Ralf Moeller - 288lbs
Edwardo Kawak = 215lbs

The other guys who entered were:

Lee Haney 243 1/4
Berry DeMey 227 :bowdown:
Lee Labrada 176
Mike Quinn 204
Brian Buchanan 210
Samir Bannout 205
Ron Love 222 1/2
Bob Paris 226
Mohamed Benaziza 188
Phil Hill 222 1/2
Shawn Ray 201 1/2
Mike Ashley 189 1/2
Albert Beckles 200
Robby Robinson 216 1/2
Peter Hensel 240 1/2
Luiz Freitas 219 1/2



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http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/KennyKola-BobParisGIF1000COMPLETE.gif




http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/KennyKola-BobParisGIF2000COMPLETE.gif



Hey those are great videos you posted. I was really impressed with Gaspari, he was clearly ahead of his time when it came to contest preperation, an extremely disciplined and intelligent approach is what enabled him to come in such great condition.

I think the Pre GH/SLIN physiques of the the late eighties were the best ever, even if they were upping the doses of their gear :)

[Ryan Wacht]

Curt, you can't use Nubret as an example as he was always a HUGE exception to the norm. He DID train with very high volume and moderate weights and would try to get more work done in a given period of time with each workout. He also reportedly at basically 1 meal per day and it was HUGE. My point is that his methods were nothing like the rest of the stars of his day or any other.

Yeah I remember him saying that one meal was like 4000 calories, extreme for sure but it seemed to work for him.

[JamesWebb]

...and a 1955 Desoto with it's 400 cubic inch chrome dome engine and push button automatic transmission was no match for a 1973 427 cubic inch Corvette with 4 speed Muncie and 4 wheel independent suspension. Both were tits in their era but time marches on. I really don't know why you periodically damn the Golden Era BBers in this way. You make obvious points but in my mind it diminishes their accomplishment as the pioneers of the sport. That I feel is disrespectful.

no disrespect was intended i was simply answering the OPs question in an attempt to keep the thread on topic, why didnt they do cario, because they didnt need to. they didnt get shredded. come on bro we both know i would give a nut to look like arnold, thats why i got into the sport in the first place.

[toxic Avenger]

no disrespect was intended i was simply answering the OPs question in an attempt to keep the thread on topic, why didnt they do cario, because they didnt need to. they didnt get shredded. come on bro we both know i would give a nut to look like arnold, thats why i got into the sport in the first place.
Fair enough. You did pretty good.

[Skinnyrunt]

I guess this is somewhat thread stealing....however:
I do know a little bit about what the 70s Pros did as I hung around the fringes. Way too Ecto and geeky to gain an entry card. I did grow finally and with the training of Steve Reeves in the 50s and Bill and Harry Pearl in the early 80s finally win the Mr. Muscle Beach title. Pics attached of me at 46 wining the Masters Muscle Beach 235 pounds (next to flag) and at 70 with my pal Drasin at Muscle Beach.

Baldie

Hey is it true that Steve Reeves trained 3 times a week, each session a full body workout?

That's what this article claims anyway.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler109.htm

And that he ate only 3 meals a day too and was natural?

[hifrommike65]

Reeves denounced AAS late in life & championed things like sailing, but some people who knew him during his prime said he did use gear when he looked his best. It would have been much more primitive than anything currently available, if true.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

Reeves denounced AAS late in life & championed things like sailing, but some people who knew him during his prime said he did use gear when he looked his best. It would have been much more primitive than anything currently available, if true.

When I joined the Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym Bert assigned Steve as my trainer. I trained there from about 1954 thru 1957. The only AAS available was the little blue pill from CIBA in Germany i.e. Dianabol. There was no outward use or much talk of Dianabol. Reeves and Larry Scott drifted over to Gironda's place somewhere later in that period. Gironda loudly frowned on Dianabol. Was it used in quiet? Don't know. Reeves did not seem the type who would dabble.

Baldie