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get biger!!
11-02-2011, 02:03 AM
hi everyone,
i am looking at starting my first cycle of and i wouldn't mind any feed back.

i am 29, 5"8 and weigh 76 with about 11% body fat, been training for 1 yr and 6 months, i was thinking of a cycle like this:


weeks 1-10
500 mg testosterone per week
1 quarter tablet of fincar per day (1.25mg)
1 quarter tablet of arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
320mg of standardized saw palmetto extract per day

weeks 12
200mg testosterone per week
1 quarter tablet of fincar per day (1.25mg)
1 quarter tablet of arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
320mg of standardized saw palmetto extract per day

week 13
1.25mg of finasteride per day
.25mg of arimidex per day
100mg of clomid every other day

week 14
1 quarter tablet of arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
50mg of clomid every day

get biger!!
11-02-2011, 02:44 AM
is the enanthate the best testosterone to use?

joe d
11-02-2011, 10:11 AM
1-12 250mg test e or c 2x per week
1-14 .5mg adex eod
1-14 500iu hcg 2x per week

the day after your last hcg shot start pct
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 20/20/10/10

get biger!!
11-02-2011, 11:40 AM
adex is arimidex right? wats eod stand for??
weeks 13 stop test e all together?

juiceinator3000
11-02-2011, 11:45 AM
Every other day.

joe d
11-02-2011, 01:25 PM
adex is arimidex right? yeswats eod stand for??every other day
weeks 13 stop test e all together?yes

or you could extend the cycle as long as you want. the longer you stay on the more difficult recovery will be. just run the hcg and adex 2 weeks past the last test shot then start the pct after the hcg is done.

GarlicChicken
11-02-2011, 01:54 PM
or you could extend the cycle as long as you want. the longer you stay on the more difficult recovery will be. just run the hcg and adex 2 weeks past the last test shot then start the pct after the hcg is done.

This. And joe's cycle recommendation. It will work. Don't taper the test. Add an oral if you feel the need for a little extra. That's all I got

get biger!!
11-02-2011, 10:48 PM
thanks for your help guys

get biger!!
11-02-2011, 11:10 PM
does it matter wat time to inject test e? wat time would i b taking the adex and hcg during the day? straight after the test e shot?
should i b injecting the hcg shot straight after the test e shot?

joe d
11-02-2011, 11:16 PM
does it matter wat time to inject test e? wat time would i b taking the adex and hcg during the day? straight after the test e shot?
should i b injecting the hcg shot straight after the test e shot?

i dont think it matters at all. just pic a convenient schedule and keep it. if your set up for 2 x per week something like mon morn and thurs night would be a way to space it right. for eod stuff just take it the same time eod.

get biger!!
11-03-2011, 03:00 AM
just to b clear, after the last hcg shot: 1 week 100mg of clomid and 20mg of nolva. week 2, 50mg of clomid and 20mg nolva. 3 and 4 50mg of clomid and 10mg nolva

joe d
11-03-2011, 11:15 AM
just to b clear, after the last hcg shot: 1 week 100mg of clomid and 20mg of nolva. week 2, 50mg of clomid and 20mg nolva. 3 and 4 50mg of clomid and 10mg nolva

correct

get biger!!
11-03-2011, 11:16 AM
is fincar a waste?

GarlicChicken
11-03-2011, 12:27 PM
is fincar a waste?

It's not good unless you need it. Do you already have MPB?

get biger!!
11-03-2011, 12:35 PM
not really, im receding but i got a thick set of hair

GarlicChicken
11-03-2011, 12:53 PM
It might make you recede faster. Me personally, I can run whatever the hell I want and I don't shed a hair. Are you worried about prostate problems? If so you could use it, but I have heard it kills your sex drive...fuck that. I'll take a split stream over limp dick any day of the week.

get biger!!
11-03-2011, 12:54 PM
lol, i guess i would to

get biger!!
11-04-2011, 02:37 AM
how much muscle should u be expecting after a cycle like this??

GarlicChicken
11-04-2011, 02:46 AM
how much muscle should u be expecting after a cycle like this??

Depends on how you eat, how you train, if you've done prohormones, and so on. A typical first cycle for someone who's got their shit together can be up to 20lbs, of course with some water weight. Everyone is different though man. You might get significantly bigger and not put on that much weight, who knows. I've put on a good bit of size in the last 3 weeks and I've only gained like 2lbs. I am using HCTZ for blood pressure though, which makes me shed a lot of the water weight.

get biger!!
11-04-2011, 02:51 AM
are u on test? is that y u got high blood pressure? and does hctz work well?

GarlicChicken
11-04-2011, 01:06 PM
are u on test? is that y u got high blood pressure? and does hctz work well?

Yes and partially yes. The test didn't raise my BP as much as the dbol does. My BP shot up to 159/89, started HCTZ at 12.5/day, and it now stays around 129ish/low 60s. Even with tren...

beefyfan
11-15-2011, 03:19 AM
Hi there i am a beginner...
What exercises are you doing along with these things?

He's doing pelvic presses eod with your sister.

GarlicChicken
11-19-2011, 01:37 PM
Good comeback....I hope they've already banned you

ritch
11-19-2011, 01:48 PM
Good comeback....I hope they've already banned you

that fucker is getting on my nerves as well.

get biger!!
11-21-2011, 12:01 AM
with test prop, do u need to inject it more frequently than e? if so how much more??
and wat differences do the both have??

get biger!!
11-21-2011, 12:04 AM
is it wise to take hcg with test prop in ur first cycle?
i mean is it a necessity?

GarlicChicken
11-21-2011, 01:35 AM
with test prop, do u need to inject it more frequently than e? if so how much more??
and wat differences do the both have??

Eod injects for the prop, 2x a week for test e. Less water retention with prop, more horny, feel and look better. Downside is more frequent, and for some injection site bruised feeling. I like it much better though.

Hcg is not necessary, but I highly recommend it. Makes pct a lot easier. You should recover alright without it, but if you want insurance hcg is cheap.

get biger!!
11-21-2011, 05:10 AM
how much prop would be needed eod??

get biger!!
11-27-2011, 11:11 AM
instead of taking test e on a first cycle can prop b taken??

GarlicChicken
11-27-2011, 11:43 AM
instead of taking test e on a first cycle can prop b taken??

Yes, but its a pain in the ass. First of all, lower mg/mL than enanthate, which makes for more total volume injected. Second, more pinning in virgin muscle = massive soreness, especially with prop. 400/week divided into 3 shots Mon/wed/Fri would be good for a beginner with prop.

bigchamp89
11-27-2011, 04:02 PM
Yes, but its a pain in the ass. First of all, lower mg/mL than enanthate, which makes for more total volume injected. Second, more pinning in virgin muscle = massive soreness, especially with prop. 400/week divided into 3 shots Mon/wed/Fri would be good for a beginner with prop.
and isnt less prop comparable to more enanthate? like isnt 400 mg of prop roughly equal to 500mg of enth, ive always given myself a headache trying to figure this out...
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9865/estarweightum5.jpg

bigchamp89
11-27-2011, 04:15 PM
and isnt less prop comparable to more enanthate? like isnt 400 mg of prop roughly equal to 500mg of enth, ive always given myself a headache trying to figure this out...
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9865/estarweightum5.jpg
by this i mean what is the exact ratio not a rough estimate

hulk7510
12-29-2011, 11:16 AM
did you ever start a cycle?

JessiJJ
12-29-2011, 07:45 PM
thank you very much