AI with dbol only cycle

[juiceinator3000]

30 mg a day 3-4 week cycle. Should ai be run or not? Is it necessary?

[ritch]

no, as the cycle itself should not be done, total waste of fuckin' time.

End thread.

[juiceinator3000]

Lol. Hey gotta introduce the new guy to the chem sectionj so I made the thread for him

[koni15]

Not even for minimal gains?

[ritch]

Lol. Hey gotta introduce the new guy to the chem sectionj so I made the thread for him

such a nice guy you are, u embed my stuff, make threads for the new guys...

[koni15]

Explanation as to why not? Why would it be a bad choice for some extra mass?

[nitrous]

i know people really knock dbol only.. i've never personally done it but have some buddies that have and it seemed to work well for them.

if you want my honest advice for a cycle i can make some recommendations.. but if dbol only is what you are wanting then i'd up the dosage to 50mg ED and run aromasin at 12.5mg EOD

ideally running test with it would be the way to go

[juiceinator3000]

That made me laugh. I try to help out between the dick comments I enjoy posting lol.

[juiceinator3000]

i know people really knock dbol only.. i've never personally done it but have some buddies that have and it seemed to work well for them.

if you want my honest advice for a cycle i can make some recommendations.. but if dbol only is what you are wanting then i'd up the dosage to 50mg ED and run aromasin at 12.5mg EOD

ideally running test with it would be the way to go

Not running test at 4 weeks though. That wouldn't even make sense. Gonna let the newb come explain his situation more too

[ritch]

Explanation as to why not? Why would it be a bad choice for some extra mass?

the cycle is way too short. I think you need to do some more reading, not sure you're ready for this, I'm willing to bet your diet stinks as well. You should post it up in the nutrition forum.

I wish you the best, but I got a bad feeling on this one....

[nitrous]

wow i just noticed you said 3-4 weeks.. definitely more like 6-8 for dbol

[juiceinator3000]

Ehh let him post his diet in here. He'll get enough looks at it. And he's just learning to navigate the forum, I remember those days. Shit I didnt even know about the new post button until I came back here :)

[koni15]

I know a couple buds who have done dbol cycles only and it seems to have worked for them. They recommended it for some extra mass, nothing crazy. One friend took it for 4 weeks with nothing else at 30-40mg a day I believe. Just wanted to know what some people thought about it.

[ritch]

true, but I think I remember him saying he weights like 160 or something... post the diet man, we should cover this first.

[nitrous]

true, but I think I remember him saying he weights like 160 or something... post the diet man, we should cover this first.

I weighed less than 160 in my pic <--

[juiceinator3000]

Post up:
Age
Weight
Diet

[ritch]

I weighed less than 160 in my pic <--

you know what I'm talking about, lol... he's a beginner, does not have muscle maturity and so on... your height must be a factor also... hope you don't mind me saying that...

[nitrous]

I know a couple buds who have done dbol cycles only and it seems to have worked for them. They recommended it for some extra mass, nothing crazy. One friend took it for 4 weeks with nothing else at 30-40mg a day I believe. Just wanted to know what some people thought about it.

my thoughts are your buddies put on probably 8-10lbs then probably lost most of it or all of it a month or so after they came off

[nitrous]

you know what I'm talking about, lol... he's a beginner, does not have muscle maturity and so on... your height must be a factor also... hope you don't mind me saying that...

haha no height is definitely a factor.. and bodyfat level obviously.

i'm sure you are right.. i bet the original posters diet has tons of room for improvement.. changing that would give him better gains for the rest of his life let alone 3-4 weeks.. but everyone wants that quick change

[ritch]

haha no height is definitely a factor.. and bodyfat level obviously.

i'm sure you are right.. i bet the original posters diet has tons of room for improvement.. changing that would give him better gains for the rest of his life let alone 3-4 weeks.. but everyone wants that quick change

yup, then as you said, he will do another quick change to his old self after he's done!

The diet!!! Post it!!!

[koni15]

22
150
5'7

Post my average diet?

[ritch]

22
150
5'7

Post my average diet?

yes!!! hurry up though I gotta go eat and go to bed... but for sure, you will get some A1 feedback here!

[koni15]

The reason I am thinking about dbol is because I have been athletic my whole life. I go to the gym often, just cant seem to gain anymore weight, and I would like to get some more lean mass. My diet is not terrible, but it isn't great. I know I have to eat more ha

[nitrous]

The reason I am thinking about dbol is because I have been athletic my whole life. I go to the gym often, just cant seem to gain anymore weight, and I would like to get some more lean mass. My diet is not terrible, but it isn't great. I know I have to eat more ha

so you cant gain weight and know you have to eat more? :dunno: come on lol

[ritch]

The reason I am thinking about dbol is because I have been athletic my whole life. I go to the gym often, just cant seem to gain anymore weight, and I would like to get some more lean mass. My diet is not terrible, but it isn't great. I know I have to eat more ha

i've heard what you just said a million fuckin times. Then the person tells me what they eat and it sucks.

I've asked you now like 4 times, you won't comply. My offer to help you is off the table, you're just too hard headed and don't wanna deal with this crap now but was willing to if you were, but as I said, you're not.

good luck.

[koni15]

Oatmeal, protein shake/smoothie, or eggs for breakfast. I eat a crap load of deli sandwiches and burritos, and usually salad, pasta and chicken for dinner. SOmetimes potatoes, broccoli, asparagus. Throughout the day I will usually snack on some fruit like pineapple and apples. I am aware I need to add to my diet. I am sure you are probably looking for more from this? ha

[koni15]

I was just letting the others know, but thanks for the help ritch, and the thread

[nitrous]

Oatmeal, protein shake/smoothie, or eggs for breakfast. I eat a crap load of deli sandwiches and burritos, and usually salad, pasta and chicken for dinner. SOmetimes potatoes, broccoli, asparagus. Throughout the day I will usually snack on some fruit like pineapple and apples. I am aware I need to add to my diet. I am sure you are probably looking for more from this? ha

scrap the deli sandwhiches and burittos.. deli meat is generally pretty shitty..

look at chicken breast, turkey breast, extra lean ground beef, fish, eggs

[koni15]

Thanks for any advice nitrous I appreciate it. After all this is what this place is for? haha So if you have the time what would u recommend as a whole cycle including dbol pct and ai (for a first time user). I was told 12.5 of ai eod (any recommendations for 1)? as well as a pct of 50/50/50/50. Take all in morning and spread dbol into 2 or 3 doses?

[GarlicChicken]

Thanks for any advice nitrous I appreciate it. After all this is what this place is for? haha So if you have the time what would u recommend as a whole cycle including dbol pct and ai (for a first time user). I was told 12.5 of ai eod (any recommendations for 1)? as well as a pct of 50/50/50/50. Take all in morning and spread dbol into 2 or 3 doses?

What's up man. If you're still stuck on dbol only, do 8 weeks, 20-30mg/day spread out into 2-3 doses per day. Use aromasin at 12.5 eod for your ai, all the way through pct. Pct will be clomid, at 100/100/50/50 would probably be optimal. When on 100/day, spread into 50mg twice a day, and when on 50 just do once a day.

Like nitro said, axe the deli meats and eat real meat like chicken breast, fish, beef. Eggs are good, I eat 6 every morning with oatmeal. You will grow like a mofo, but you will lose water weight post cycle without a testosterone base. I still suggest doing 500mg/week of test e and either running low dose dbol throughout or at the end.

[koni15]

How worried do I have to be about nipple swelling? Does the dosage matter?

[s2h]

dont see anything wrong with dbol only..try it and see what happens..its a steriod its gonna do something...and change your diet like others said..

[GarlicChicken]

How worried do I have to be about nipple swelling? Does the dosage matter?

Yes, gyno is always an issue, especially with strongly aromatizing compounds like dbol. But with the low dose you are running, the aromasin used, and the lack of test, you should be just fine. If you start to notice your nips hurt just bump the aromasin up to 12.5ed. Of course the more you take, the more that aromatizes, you do the math.

[GottaGetLean]

joe d comment recommending 10mg dbol coming in 3..2...1...

[GarlicChicken]

joe d comment recommending 10mg dbol coming in 3..2...1...

Lol

[ToddinWC]

wow i just noticed you said 3-4 weeks.. definitely more like 6-8 for dbol


this.

[joe d]

30 mg a day 3-4 week cycle. Should ai be run or not? Is it necessary?

drop the dose to 20mg and run it 10-12 weeks. you may or may not need a low dose ai. its a great cycle this way.

[GarlicChicken]

drop the dose to 20mg and run it 10-12 weeks. you may or may not need a low dose ai. its a great cycle this way.

I said 8 but 10 is better. I would run an ai though, shit surges my e2 through the roof.

[joe d]

joe d comment recommending 10mg dbol coming in 3..2...1...

10 is only for you because your such a freak its all you need :)

[5 Grams year round baby]

bunch of guys in my gym do dbol only cycles, they seem to love it, some are pretty big just from dbol alone.

[s2h]

Run 22.5mg of dbol for 9.75 weeks...like 67 guys at my gym do it..and they all gained 33.33lbs with only 2/3 gyno nips...even better they used. 68mg of adex 4 on 3 off 2 on 5 off..and 52% of them placed in there 2.3rd bb show...so how bout that..

[juiceinator3000]

Repped lol

[koni15]

aren't aromasin and clomid the same thing? Or diff brands mean the same thing? Can you direct me to a link for both? Thanks for any help.

[HanSoLo]

aren't aromasin and clomid the same thing? Or diff brands mean the same thing? Can you direct me to a link for both? Thanks for any help.

Not the same.
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/forumdisplay.php?91-Chemical-Profiles-Forum
Happy reading.

[koni15]

So would 30 mg for 4 weeks with no ai or pct do anything; or 30 mg a day for 4 weeks and an AI do anything? Little bigger?

[flipmonk]

what about using dbol as a kick-off for a testE cycle (first cycle)? what should the dose be and for how long?

[HanSoLo]

drop the dose to 20mg and run it 10-12 weeks. you may or may not need a low dose ai. its a great cycle this way.


So would 30 mg for 4 weeks with no ai or pct do anything; or 30 mg a day for 4 weeks and an AI do anything? Little bigger?

There is your answer. I personally would never run a Dbol only cycle, I just like needles too much.

[HanSoLo]

what about using dbol as a kick-off for a testE cycle (first cycle)? what should the dose be and for how long?

30mg/day for 4weeks would be standard. My first cycle ever was dbol and test e and I liked the results very much.

[Ironbrian82]

i know alot of guys who claim they only use dbol and are big but when you ask the guy hes getting them from its more like they are on sust deca and dbol, i know fucking 100s of guys who dont tell the truth on the amount of shit they use, but ive done dbol only 60mg for 6 weeks and just nolva 20mg a day and gained 22lbs,

[Ryan Bracewell]

Run 22.5mg of dbol for 9.75 weeks...like 67 guys at my gym do it..and they all gained 33.33lbs with only 2/3 gyno nips...even better they used. 68mg of adex 4 on 3 off 2 on 5 off..and 52% of them placed in there 2.3rd bb show...so how bout that..

I'm sensing sarcasm, lol

[toxic Avenger]

You need to eat. Count your calories and you macros. Fitday.com or any number of other freeware makes it easy. You need to eat 300 g of protein 300 g carbs and 100 g fat min a day or you are just treading water. How do you expect to build a house without bricks?? AAS is not the answer now. It's about diet. Get that protein in wiht a decent amount of fat and carnbs and you will put on 25 lbs in 6 months I guarantee you.