My experience with GH15's recommendations

[Hamish&Andy]

Hey guys,

I felt it was necessary to start a thread about this. Let me first say I know many of you believe GH15 is a gimmick, fake etc but regardless of who he is, his advice has helped me excel in the past month or two.

I read the gh15 bible a few times, and the things I took away from it and applied to my bodybuilding was as follows:
- I stopped taking supplements e.g. whey, bcaas, waxy maize, R-ala etc. Not only have I saved a lot of money by doing so, but I feel so much better cutting out shakes. Also, my midsection has never looked leaner.
- Liquid egg whites are now my main source of protein. I drink about 2L of egg whites every day (200g protein) and since they are pasteurised, most is absorbed and utilised by my body. Before anyone says this is too much sodium, I have experienced zero increase in bloat.
- I eat when I'm hungry and I do not force feed. I also do not limit carb intake, and if I feel like carbs, I will eat them.
- I do not count any calories, grams of carbs or fats, I just make sure I get at least 200g protein a day and enough carbs to keep me full and energetic
- If I feel like eating junk, I will do so. But I only eat junk when my body craves it - I don't just eat icecream and fast food every meal.
- I do not eat every 2-3 hours on the dot, nor do I eat 6-7 meals. I average 4-5 meals a day and the intervals are never the same, again they depend on my hunger level.
- If I am not hungry after a workout, I do not force down a meal...I wait until I am hungry and then I eat
- As far as "supps" are concerned, I am running only 150mg/test week, but bumped my tren to 600mg/week, and I truly believe this is what has allowed me to eat freely and happily and still lose fat and gain muscle.

I feel and look the best I ever have. People are constantly asking me for my 'secrets' and diet advice, and I cannot tell them 'take tren and eat whatever you want', but sadly I have realised this is the truth.

Also, I have realised that test is a really shitty steroid. It is good for mass and thickness, but I look SO much better on a low dose than a high dose.

Just some food for thought. Again, this is only MY experience, do not come on here telling me what I am doing is wrong/unhealthy...I am just sharing what I have learnt/experienced and that is the whole point of a forum.

[Waylon]

There is a big difference between being in shape and being a competitive bodybuilder.

"
You have to start thinking in terms of point B from point A. Do you really think that eating 3000 calories with 225 grams of protein and doing the Weider "confusion training principle" to keep your body offguard will somehow magically make your 175lbs into 250lbs of rock granite monstrosity? "
- Dante Trudel

But all these seem like good ideas for the person who just wants to look good.

:ninjaloco:

[Hamish&Andy]

There is a big difference between being in shape and being a competitive bodybuilder.

"
You have to start thinking in terms of point B from point A. Do you really think that eating 3000 calories with 225 grams of protein and doing the Weider "confusion training principle" to keep your body offguard will somehow magically make your 175lbs into 250lbs of rock granite monstrosity? "
- Dante Trudel

But all these seem like good ideas for the person who just wants to look good.

:ninjaloco:

I agree, but my goal is not to be a competitive bodybuilder. I've done the whole "trying to be huge" thing and I got up to 220lbs but it just wasn't pretty.

With this method, I can stay pretty much shredded all the time whilst living a normal life and not let bodybuilding dictate every hour of my day. Plus I have had more female attention in the last couple months than ever before in my life...girls simply do not LIKE 'bodybuilders', no girl wants to be with a guy who's life revolves around his next meal, next training session, can't go out to eat, and can't go out to party...what kind of life is that...but that is another topic altogether.

I have received FAR more praise for my physique NOW then I ever did when I was "huge". I also look and feel so much healthier and better.

Btw I'm using tren blend, not ace...and although 600mg/week sounds excessive, for me it has been perfect. Very little sides and only great results.

My blood pressure is also 125/70 currently.

[s2h]

Who thinks gh15 is a gimmick??

[s2h]

A real gimmick is something like mr oxy...well according to bushmaster.....

[Hamish&Andy]

Who thinks gh15 is a gimmick??

Many.

People either love him or hate him.

[ritch]

interesting, but 600mg of tren should keep anybody lean, lol! Plus you were already in shape when you started this... I'm not knocking the system, don't even know enough abbout it, but much of what you said makes sense. I've noticed a very positive results using more whole eggs now, at least 10 per day, mass or cut...

But cutting out all supplements is just foolish. Vitamin C, magnesium, zinc, b vitamins are staples, fish oil as well, creatine... I think the dude is purposely trying to make it so radical just so people talk about him in that aspect.

many stimulants which are supps are key as well in my case, having some dude tell me to cut them out, is a guy who to me, just does not understand a dimension of my bigger picture.

Nice to be able to think for yourself... I would take bits and pieces of his stuff like I would from anyone who preaches such strict guidleines and do what works best for me.

[Hamish&Andy]

interesting, but 600mg of tren should keep anybody lean, lol! Plus you were already in shape when you started this... I'm not knocking the system, don't even know enough abbout it, but much of what you said makes sense. I've noticed a very positive results using more whole eggs now, at least 10 per day, mass or cut...

But cutting out all supplements is just foolish. Vitamin C, magnesium, zinc, b vitamins are staples, fish oil as well, creatine... I think the dude is purposely trying to make it so radical just so people talk about him in that aspect.

many stimulants which are supps are key as well in my case, having some dude tell me to cut them out, is a guy who to me, just does not understand a dimension of my bigger picture.

Nice to be able to think for yourself... I would take bits and pieces of his stuff like I would from anyone who preaches such strict guidleines and do what works best for me.

This is exactly my point...if you are lean enough to start with (which he preaches) and you introduce a compound like tren, no matter what you eat, you won't gain fat - and this is exactly what i have noticed.

Oh, i should have been more clear - when I say cut out all supplements I mean "bodybuilding" supps. I still take my daily fish oil, primrose oil, vitamin e, multi, aspirin, zinc, magnesium...just no more shakes, creatine, those sorts of supplements.

[ritch]

This is exactly my point...if you are lean enough to start with (which he preaches) and you introduce a compound like tren, no matter what you eat, you won't gain fat - and this is exactly what i have noticed.

Oh, i should have been more clear - when I say cut out all supplements I mean "bodybuilding" supps. I still take my daily fish oil, primrose oil, vitamin e, multi, aspirin, zinc, magnesium...just no more shakes, creatine, those sorts of supplements.

making sense, but if you use insulin protein powder or bcaa's are a must! And to me slin is a must.

Does he talk about slin use? But man, protein powders are taking a beat down these days, lol

[Hamish&Andy]

making sense, but if you use insulin protein powder or bcaa's are a must! And to me slin is a must.

Does he talk about slin use? But man, protein powders are taking a beat down these days, lol

Well I don't use slin, never have, never will.

He does talk about slin use - he claims it ruined bodybuilding and is the cause of all the big guts we see today. But he makes it clear that to be a true mass freak/monster, you NEED slin in there along with HGH, tren etc.

[s2h]

Many.

People either love him or hate him.maybe he should post here on rx...

[Hamish&Andy]

maybe he should post here on rx...

He has only ever and will only ever post on Getbig.

[ritch]

Well I don't use slin, never have, never will.

He does talk about slin use - he claims it ruined bodybuilding and is the cause of all the big guts we see today. But he makes it clear that to be a true mass freak/monster, you NEED slin in there along with HGH, tren etc.

I've said the same you are about slin... But used just pre workout can have a nice impact! You should consider it, I use it 4 times a week, that's it.

[Hamish&Andy]

I've said the same you are about slin... But used just pre workout can have a nice impact! You should consider it, I use it 4 times a week, that's it.

What types of results/differences have you noticed introducing it pre-workout?

[ritch]

What types of results/differences have you noticed introducing it pre-workout?

you simply stay bigger/fuller, the weight difference is not that huge but we both know how this is partly an illusion. There can't be any health problems with doing this, it's baby use and has a good impact, the pumps are nice as well.

It does keep me leaner though at a higher weights, I've never been leaner at 230.

[78up]

So what do you run when you need a break from tren?

[evser]

the only break is death... I believe he says you can swap it out for anadrol or some such.

[joe d]

its no secret that running big doses of tren with little else will make it easy to get/stay lean but most have more fear of the consequences. another of many things that are too good to be true. you will learn once shit hits the fan. i hope it doesnt and wish you the best with it.

[joe d]

by the way anyone who tells you to run a gram of test with a hefty dose of tren and no ai is an idiot.

[Hamish&Andy]

its no secret that running big doses of tren with little else will make it easy to get/stay lean but most have more fear of the consequences. another of many things that are too good to be true. you will learn once shit hits the fan. i hope it doesnt and wish you the best with it.

As I wrote, my blood pressure is pretty much optimal. I also do cardio every single day for 30 minutes minimum for my heart health. I also got a blood test last Tuesday and I got the results on Friday and my thyroid, kidneys, liver, blood panel was all in the normal range, except my liver ALT was SLIGHTLY elevated...

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, thanks for your concern though. I also don't get insomnia, nor do I get night sweats, nor am I an agressive asshole. I just feel like a million bucks on tren.


by the way anyone who tells you to run a gram of test with a hefty dose of tren and no ai is an idiot.

No one told me to run this?

[Bekim Rizvani]

I agree with him on eating, I eat basically when Im hungry and I eat what ever my body is telling me to eat. I just try to get 60 grams of protien in each meal and get the carbs and fats from what ever else I feel like.

[NPCKnight]

Are you considering 800mg of tren? (future)

[NPCKnight]

And btw....feeling better WITHOUT Whey shakes is why Humapro is the best protein supplement ever!Look into it if you wNt even more nitrogen retention.

[Jermo]

Great thread! I am following a similar approach.

Although my goal is to become a mass monster. I really abused the hell out of tren (1400mg/wk) precontest a few months ago (ya in hindsight it was a waste, now that I get the same results running 700/wk, but I like to experiment) and my blood pressure was the same as yours. Liver enzymes all good also. ALT and AST also minutely elevated (thanks halo) but Alk phosph and GGT were really good. Cardio wasn't really affected precontest either. That's before I even knew who gh15 was, lol. Applied some gh15 principles post contest and blew up with 15iu generic gh/day (so more like 7iu, lol) for 8 wks, 1g test, 1.4g tren, 1g eq. Now on a much less wasteful 175mg test, 700mg tren, 700mg eq, 10iu generic gh eod, 50iu lantus, 200mcg t4, 50mg proviron, 500mcg prami, 50mg dbol and doing great. Gonna switch to pharma gh soon and see what happens. And yes I'm much bigger then my picture now (a good 40lbs bigger), will update soon.

FYI, i sleep fine, heart rate is 65, only get a sweaty head at night. Pumps are amazing, everyone at the gym has been blown away at my progress after my comp, and yes my sex drive is still great.

[Ironbrian82]

hamishandandy whats this post about m8 have i missed somthing you have writen, i agree tren is fucking incredable my fav is the tri-trens, and test is not the king, a little test goes a long way, so your in the best shape of your life, its not often a bb is happy with the way they look so good on you bro glad your hit your goal and happy with your results. maybe you could post some pics bro

[ritch]

And btw....feeling better WITHOUT Whey shakes is why Humapro is the best protein supplement ever!Look into it if you wNt even more nitrogen retention.

can it with the humapro shit please.

[MrOXY]

Also, I have realised that test is a really shitty steroid..

you are a fucking goof .. Testosterone doesnt work as well on women as it does on men lil felllow :)
.. i got hair on my nutz older then you matter of fact the hair on my nutz has more testosterone in em then you
im amused by you cause your just a fuking beginner .. your just a skinny looser kid who got on juice and got pumped up but your nutz havent dropped yet ...
u think you know shit cause you have abs?? LOL you did 1000 reps of abs everyday and your "girlfriend " of 4 years left you ahahaha .that dont mean shit , any malnurished kid can have abs





I Plus I have had more female attention in the last couple months than ever before in my life...girls simply do not LIKE 'bodybuilders', no girl wants to be with a guy who's life revolves around his next meal, next training session, can't go out to eat, and can't go out to party...what kind of life is that...but that is another topic altogether.

.

WTF do you know about girls aahah .. here are quotes from your sissy boy " my girlfriend of 4 years broke up with me "

"HAMCHEESE&HANDICAP" http://forums.rxmuscle.com/images/icons/icon1.png My gf of 4 years just left me
Guys/girls,

I don't wanna get into details but my gf broke it off today, she needs "time apart" to see what she really wants. I am quite shattered.

How the fuck do I get over this? I haven't felt like this ever before in my life.




AND ANOTHER

"HAMCHEESE&HANDICAP" Thanks mate.

Well she feels as though I'm too "comfortable" with her and that I don't treat her the way she wants.

Apparently I'm not "adventurous" enough and I do the same routine all the time.




I bet she had more testosterone then you .. you sir are a pussy i shall neg you to death ahahaha


A real gimmick is something like mr oxy...well according to bushmaster.....

ahahahah gimmik me?? really now .. thats an honour .. thank you mr bushWacker
perhaps bushwacker was mad that i had openly exosed that he had solicited me via pm a few days ago trying 2 sell me gh and look for some pharma gh ... against the rules if im not miistaken s2h .... i shoulda just responded to his soliceted pm and declined his advancement..but fuk it bush water should never sent me such pm in the first place .lol

if you think im a gimmik just ask our good respected friends ritch and blp .. :)

all the fuking maddness that is me is real ,, im off this thread

[ritch]

the saga continues...

[MrOXY]

the saga continues...

i gotta spread reps around b4 givin it 2 you again ritch lol

ok anyways im off this thread now for real .. FUCK hearing a skinny kid talk about gh15 ahahah

[ritch]

i gotta spread reps around b4 givin it 2 you again ritch lol

ok anyways im off this thread now for real .. FUCK hearing a skinny kid talk about gh15 ahahah

no worries bud. But just gonna say this about Mr Oxy. The time I saw him, he looked pretty damn jacked. Most guys would really think twice about messing with him in person, I can guarantee you that. Dude's pretty thick, the pics posted up don't do him justice much.

But what striked me most was how polite he was. He was in a situation where many act as savages/get impatient and just go ape shit. Seen it happen every weekend. So to those of you who may think he's an out of control freak, at least know he has manners and is respectable in public. That type of behavior is one I respect the most out of people, as many try to intimidate the staff when we don't do what they ask when faced with this.

I don't wanna say where or what happened as it involves my personal life. What he decides to put in his body is his choice, not that I would do that, but he can handle the drugs and himself like a gentleman and for that I respect him and can call him a friend.

Yes, this sounds like brown nosing, but sometimes we paint a pic in our heads as to how a certain poster is like by their posts and crazyness they post. Sure we all have a crazy side, and saying stuff like "I hold doors open for people in life" is not gonna score you many points popular/cool wise in the chem section. Maybe I'm wrong, just the way I see it.

any way, I feel like a mediator here as I like both of you in ways you each contribute to this board as I'm sure both of you get others to think about their diets/drugs and training in ways they would not have if neither of you were here.

Dare I say, I hope in time, both of you can make peace with each other.

[TheABomb]

And btw....feeling better WITHOUT Whey shakes is why Humapro is the best protein supplement ever!Look into it if you wNt even more nitrogen retention.


I feel a lot better when I don't take supplements, but humapro makes a big difference for me. I still use it today.

[caribeman]

Wow, Mr. Oxy can certinly do some research. Bushwacker lol

[bushmaster]

Wow, Mr. Oxy can certinly do some research. Bushwacker lol
Mr. Oxycontin certainly can.

[TheABomb]

But cutting out all supplements is just foolish. Vitamin C, magnesium, zinc, b vitamins are staples, fish oil as well, creatine... I think the dude is purposely trying to make it so radical just so people talk about him in that aspect.


I've run cycles with and without supplements. Even creatine. No difference whatsoever in the results. The vitamins and minerals I still take though. Fish oil not so much because I eat salmon every day.

[adpolice]

Well what bbers do in Middle East and biggest part of EU is now considered grounbreakin?

[Hamish&Andy]

MrOxy I'm not even going to bother to reply to your comments. The purpose of this thread was not to create a pissing match, so I am going to be the bigger person and just leave it as it is.

[Hamish&Andy]

Are you considering 800mg of tren? (future)

I'm seeing plenty of results with 600mg of tren blend, and since 600mg is considered a fairly high dose when it comes to tren, I don't want plan on exceeding that amount.


And btw....feeling better WITHOUT Whey shakes is why Humapro is the best protein supplement ever!Look into it if you wNt even more nitrogen retention.

As I said, I will never buy into another bodybuilding supplement again - this includes humapro, liquid beef aminos, etc etc etc


Great thread! I am following a similar approach.

Although my goal is to become a mass monster. I really abused the hell out of tren (1400mg/wk) precontest a few months ago (ya in hindsight it was a waste, now that I get the same results running 700/wk, but I like to experiment) and my blood pressure was the same as yours. Liver enzymes all good also. ALT and AST also minutely elevated (thanks halo) but Alk phosph and GGT were really good. Cardio wasn't really affected precontest either. That's before I even knew who gh15 was, lol. Applied some gh15 principles post contest and blew up with 15iu generic gh/day (so more like 7iu, lol) for 8 wks, 1g test, 1.4g tren, 1g eq. Now on a much less wasteful 175mg test, 700mg tren, 700mg eq, 10iu generic gh eod, 50iu lantus, 200mcg t4, 50mg proviron, 500mcg prami, 50mg dbol and doing great. Gonna switch to pharma gh soon and see what happens. And yes I'm much bigger then my picture now (a good 40lbs bigger), will update soon.

FYI, i sleep fine, heart rate is 65, only get a sweaty head at night. Pumps are amazing, everyone at the gym has been blown away at my progress after my comp, and yes my sex drive is still great.

That's awesome seeing real life positive results from following gh15's protocol. Great to hear your health hasn't been compromised either.


hamishandandy whats this post about m8 have i missed somthing you have writen, i agree tren is fucking incredable my fav is the tri-trens, and test is not the king, a little test goes a long way, so your in the best shape of your life, its not often a bb is happy with the way they look so good on you bro glad your hit your goal and happy with your results. maybe you could post some pics bro

The post was regarding gh15 and his recommendations on diet, gear, etc and how I followed some of his advice and am really impressed with the results so far.

I've posted plenty of pics in the off-season support thread in recent times.


Well what bbers do in Middle East and biggest part of EU is now considered grounbreakin?

Well when you consider that 95% of western bodybuilders follow the whole 'test is best' methodology, coupled with the fact they eat 6-7 meals a day, 2-3 hours apart, hungry or not, means that YES for many this IS groundbreaking.

Don't get me wrong, I relied on test prop for my first few cycles to gain the mass I currently have (I am extreme ectomorph) and it was excellent for building thickness and size. But to look truly impressive, you have not only be thick, but also lean and dry, and this is where my issue with test lies. GH15 claims that unless you're running a high dose of GH, a high dose of test is unnecessary and as little as 150mg/week is enough to maintain thickness whilst using compounds like tren, eq, mast, primo etc to get the quality look.

[adpolice]

That wasn't direct to you,i learned differently because i live in EU training next to competitive bbers,they don't like test,primo and parabolan are favourites for contest prep as boldenone and a touch of deca for growth,most hate protein powders but love amino acid supps,slin isn't popular at all and 8i.u of gh is considered very high,most don't even know what igf1 is...That is why we are not as big as US bbers but usually crazy striated with tight waist and classic physiques..If i lived in US i might had a totally different way of thinking.What i reaally want to say is that gh15 says nothing new,he is just popular and that's why many people follow him,if he weren't he would have been flamed with the well known ''test has to be twice than other compounds'',''you have to eat till you pook'',''you need 500-600g of protein per day to grow and 10000cals'' all this nonsense

[adpolice]

..And boys please behave,rx chemical section has the more mature dialogs around drugs and we all contribute less or more..there is always room for healthy arguing but this kind of ''fighting'' doesn't help..

[MrOXY]

..And boys please behave,rx chemical section has the more mature dialogs around drugs and we all contribute less or more..there is always room for healthy arguing but this kind of ''fighting'' doesn't help..

it always was before this lil disrespectfull shit came on here and attempted 2 put down a few reputble members .. its all good though i was a kid once ill leave it at that

[MrOXY]

no worries bud. But just gonna say this about Mr Oxy. The time I saw him, he looked pretty damn jacked. Most guys would really think twice about messing with him in person, I can guarantee you that. Dude's pretty thick, the pics posted up don't do him justice much.

But what striked me most was how polite he was. He was in a situation where many act as savages/get impatient and just go ape shit. Seen it happen every weekend. So to those of you who may think he's an out of control freak, at least know he has manners and is respectable in public. That type of behavior is one I respect the most out of people, as many try to intimidate the staff when we don't do what they ask when faced with this.

I don't wanna say where or what happened as it involves my personal life. What he decides to put in his body is his choice, not that I would do that, but he can handle the drugs and himself like a gentleman and for that I respect him and can call him a friend.

Yes, this sounds like brown nosing, but sometimes we paint a pic in our heads as to how a certain poster is like by their posts and crazyness they post. Sure we all have a crazy side, and saying stuff like "I hold doors open for people in life" is not gonna score you many points popular/cool wise in the chem section. Maybe I'm wrong, just the way I see it.

any way, I feel like a mediator here as I like both of you in ways you each contribute to this board as I'm sure both of you get others to think about their diets/drugs and training in ways they would not have if neither of you were here.

Dare I say, I hope in time, both of you can make peace with each other.

the
yes thank you for the insight rich

this is an online world and the real world a whole different ball game not many can distinguish the two ..anyways ill see you again next time in in the city

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Hey guys,

I felt it was necessary to start a thread about this. Let me first say I know many of you believe GH15 is a gimmick, fake etc but regardless of who he is, his advice has helped me excel in the past month or two.

I read the gh15 bible a few times, and the things I took away from it and applied to my bodybuilding was as follows:
- I stopped taking supplements e.g. whey, bcaas, waxy maize, R-ala etc. Not only have I saved a lot of money by doing so, but I feel so much better cutting out shakes. Also, my midsection has never looked leaner.
- Liquid egg whites are now my main source of protein. I drink about 2L of egg whites every day (200g protein) and since they are pasteurised, most is absorbed and utilised by my body. Before anyone says this is too much sodium, I have experienced zero increase in bloat.
- I eat when I'm hungry and I do not force feed. I also do not limit carb intake, and if I feel like carbs, I will eat them.
- I do not count any calories, grams of carbs or fats, I just make sure I get at least 200g protein a day and enough carbs to keep me full and energetic
- If I feel like eating junk, I will do so. But I only eat junk when my body craves it - I don't just eat icecream and fast food every meal.
- I do not eat every 2-3 hours on the dot, nor do I eat 6-7 meals. I average 4-5 meals a day and the intervals are never the same, again they depend on my hunger level.
- If I am not hungry after a workout, I do not force down a meal...I wait until I am hungry and then I eat
- As far as "supps" are concerned, I am running only 150mg/test week, but bumped my tren to 600mg/week, and I truly believe this is what has allowed me to eat freely and happily and still lose fat and gain muscle.

I feel and look the best I ever have. People are constantly asking me for my 'secrets' and diet advice, and I cannot tell them 'take tren and eat whatever you want', but sadly I have realised this is the truth.

Also, I have realised that test is a really shitty steroid. It is good for mass and thickness, but I look SO much better on a low dose than a high dose.

Just some food for thought. Again, this is only MY experience, do not come on here telling me what I am doing is wrong/unhealthy...I am just sharing what I have learnt/experienced and that is the whole point of a forum.

Just saw this post now but I know we talked about this. Great post. I do it very similarly, except I still drink whey simply because it's cheap and convenient. I do drink egg white liquid too but not every day. And yes, "clean" dieting is grossly overrated. Once you take enough tren or hgh, it doesn't matter how clean you eat. In fact, it can be counter productive because it may not result in eating enough calories unless you really pound it. I am leaner now eating 1-2 high calorie junk meals a day than when I was on a super strict diet simply because of what I am on now compared to then. This is a drug game and diet is just a supplement.

[BigJD69]

Hey guys,

I felt it was necessary to start a thread about this. Let me first say I know many of you believe GH15 is a gimmick, fake etc but regardless of who he is, his advice has helped me excel in the past month or two.

I read the gh15 bible a few times, and the things I took away from it and applied to my bodybuilding was as follows:
- I stopped taking supplements e.g. whey, bcaas, waxy maize, R-ala etc. Not only have I saved a lot of money by doing so, but I feel so much better cutting out shakes. Also, my midsection has never looked leaner.
- Liquid egg whites are now my main source of protein. I drink about 2L of egg whites every day (200g protein) and since they are pasteurised, most is absorbed and utilised by my body. Before anyone says this is too much sodium, I have experienced zero increase in bloat.
- I eat when I'm hungry and I do not force feed. I also do not limit carb intake, and if I feel like carbs, I will eat them.
- I do not count any calories, grams of carbs or fats, I just make sure I get at least 200g protein a day and enough carbs to keep me full and energetic
- If I feel like eating junk, I will do so. But I only eat junk when my body craves it - I don't just eat icecream and fast food every meal.
- I do not eat every 2-3 hours on the dot, nor do I eat 6-7 meals. I average 4-5 meals a day and the intervals are never the same, again they depend on my hunger level.
- If I am not hungry after a workout, I do not force down a meal...I wait until I am hungry and then I eat
- As far as "supps" are concerned, I am running only 150mg/test week, but bumped my tren to 600mg/week, and I truly believe this is what has allowed me to eat freely and happily and still lose fat and gain muscle.

I feel and look the best I ever have. People are constantly asking me for my 'secrets' and diet advice, and I cannot tell them 'take tren and eat whatever you want', but sadly I have realised this is the truth.

Also, I have realised that test is a really shitty steroid. It is good for mass and thickness, but I look SO much better on a low dose than a high dose.

Just some food for thought. Again, this is only MY experience, do not come on here telling me what I am doing is wrong/unhealthy...I am just sharing what I have learnt/experienced and that is the whole point of a forum.
I TOTALLY AGREE with the 4-5 meals a day IMO that is more than enough. Even when I get up @ 7or 8am when I start my prep I have a hard time getting that 6th meal in. Last summer I had GREAT results with 5 meals. Plus eating less is better for my Gastroparesis. Eating more than 200g protein also puts stress on your kidneys to process the protein. Lastly it's def. working for you Hamish!

[Bryan Hildebrand]

you can run test for a lifetime. try running tren for a lifetime...

what works for one, may not work for another. thats the take home here.

[ritch]

I TOTALLY AGREE with the 4-5 meals a day IMO that is more than enough. Even when I get up @ 7or 8am when I start my prep I have a hard time getting that 6th meal in. Last summer I had GREAT results with 5 meals. Plus eating less is better for my Gastroparesis. Eating more than 200g protein also puts stress on your kidneys to process the protein. Lastly it's def. working for you Hamish!


Sorry, what? That's just rediculous...

[HanSoLo]

Sorry, what? That's just rediculous...
If its true then Im going to die very soon from kidney failure. I eat 280 a day and im dieting........

[joe d]

too much protein could cause renal failure. this is true but there is more to it than that. a healthy lifestyle (nutrition, exercise, rest etc) will have a big impact.

to say over 200g protein per day will cause renal failure would not be true unless your health was shit, you where a pretty small person, and you barely drank water. then maybe.

[markandspike]

where can i read the bible please.

[juiceinator3000]

where can i read the bible please.
Not here. Maybe someone will pm you.

[markandspike]

hope so.

[Curt James]

^^^^

(eyes you suspiciously)

Most bookstores can help you out there.

And I'm sure a local church would have a copy to lend you or gift to you outright.

Welcome to Rx Muscle. Allow me to direct your attention here:

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/forumdisplay.php?39-Politics-Religion-amp-Philosophy

[juiceinator3000]

hope so.
Ain't gonna be me.

[juiceinator3000]

^^^^

(eyes you suspiciously)

Most bookstores can help you out there.

And I'm sure a local church would have a copy to lend you or gift to you outright.

Welcome to Rx Muscle. Allow me to direct your attention here:

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/forumdisplay.php?39-Politics-Religion-amp-Philosophy

Lmfao

[The Big Sexy]

This is a hoot...

[juiceinator3000]

hope so.
Here's all you need to know. Find legit kigtropin. Put it in blood with anabolics at least 10iu a day and you are on your way to becoming serious bodybuild,,,

[heavyiron]

Guys have been doing this stuff for decades. Its nothing new.

If you really want to make serious changes just slam 1,500mg of T weekly with A-bombs every day then at the end of the course drop the test way down, stop the anadrol and run Tren, Mast and Winny.

T3 and GH the whole way through.

Its petty common in contest prep to run Tren higher than Test at the end.

[juiceinator3000]

Guys have been doing this stuff for decades. Its nothing new.

If you really want to make serious changes just slam 1,500mg of T weekly with A-bombs every day then at the end of the course drop the test way down, stop the anadrol and run Tren, Mast and Winny.

T3 and GH the whole way through.

Its petty common in contest prep to run Tren higher than Test at the end.
His philosophy would be more along the lines of drop the test a bit lower and run tren and npp at a much higher dose with mast for anti e purposes, and then do pretty much what you said. Plus keep the drol in.

[Swiper]

its nice to see people are realizing eating clean gets u no where fast, in terms of gaining muscle.

I'd bet 80% of the amateur bbers online here and elsewhere eat way cleaner than the pros do in the offseason.

[The Big Sexy]

its nice to see people are realizing eating clean gets u no where fast, in terms of gaining muscle.

I'd bet 80% of the amateur bbers online here and elsewhere eat way cleaner than the pros do in the offseason.

Eating clean will help you build - but not all clean... I use 99/1 turkey in the off-season not 93/7 because the protein is 125g per package vs 91g. I get 2 big cheats in per week, plus a huge burger mid-week (in/out burger) - every morning i have 4 giant waffles as well, with maple syrup. But I definitely do go out and eat fast food or shit... the bulk of my meals are beef, steak, chicken or turkey with a bigger influx of carbs.

Unless you have a significant amount of muscle or run some t3/t4 I think you will get too fat if you eat junk... pros can do it because of the high amount of muscle mass they have... they will normally store less fat.

But I do agree... eating ALL clean in the off-season isn't going to be as effective... but I also think you don't want to get stupid with eating junk.

[The Big Sexy]

I'm not even sure what I just posted was necessary now that I think about it.

[78up]

I'm not even sure what I just posted was necessary now that I think about it.
Your posts are always necessary.

[s2h]

its nice to see people are realizing eating clean gets u no where fast, in terms of gaining muscle.

I'd bet 80% of the amateur bbers online here and elsewhere eat way cleaner than the pros do in the offseason.yep...so true...

[s2h]

guys have been doing this stuff for decades. Its nothing new.

If you really want to make serious changes just slam 1,500mg of t weekly with a-bombs every day then at the end of the course drop the test way down, stop the anadrol and run tren, mast and winny.

T3 and gh the whole way through.

Its petty common in contest prep to run tren higher than test at the end.was talking with a person that follows gh15 stuff...and he asked me what i had a pre contest competitor of mine doing..i told him..and his response was thats the gh15 protocol..i said maybe..but its also the same one i have used before i ever heard of gh15..point being its not a unique or earth shattering as many may think..

I havnt really read much of gh15's thoughts..but what i have heard or read makes pretty good sense for the most part..

[juiceinator3000]

was talking with a person that follows gh15 stuff...and he asked me what i had a pre contest competitor of mine doing..i told him..and his response was thats the gh15 protocol..i said maybe..but its also the same one i have used before i ever heard of gh15..point being its not a unique or earth shattering as many may think..

I havnt really read much of gh15's thoughts..but what i have heard or read makes pretty good sense for the most part..
It's not earth shattering news. But to most of the bodybuilding community it is because they have never seen it laid out in the open the way it is.

[The Big Sexy]

It's not earth shattering news. But to most of the bodybuilding community it is because they have never seen it laid out in the open the way it is.

Pre-contest stack for guaranteed success...

100mg test prop per week
100mg primo per week
50mg clomid ED
1000iu HCG EoD (don't want to get too wild here)
Dbol 5mg ED
Deca 50mg per week
Anavar 5mg per day
Nolva 25mg per day
Tren - 10mg E3D

Now, this isn't ground-breaking here either... followed by some of the top pros in this industry but it is the first time you have seen it actually laid out in the open this way. This is some craziness... NINE compounds!! NINE! Some shit people will do for greatness.

[juiceinator3000]

Pre-contest stack for guaranteed success...

100mg test prop per week
100mg primo per week
50mg clomid ED
1000iu HCG EoD (don't want to get too wild here)
Dbol 5mg ED
Deca 50mg per week
Anavar 5mg per day
Nolva 25mg per day
Tren - 10mg E3D

Now, this isn't ground-breaking here either... followed by some of the top pros in this industry but it is the first time you have seen it actually laid out in the open this way. This is some craziness... NINE compounds!! NINE! Some shit people will do for greatness.
I think I saw that before. That was the 16th place ms Olympia cycle. Lmao

[s2h]

Lou dont talk about your girls.cycle in the open.....

[The Big Sexy]

Lou dont talk about your girls.cycle in the open.....

I would never disclose your cycle in public baby... xoxo

[Curt James]

Your posts are always necessary.

Feel the love! :-)

[78up]

Feel the love! :-)
Nuttin but love for TBS. I'm def a fan of TBS' physique.

Really tho the main difference with gh15 is there's no balonie cycle crap posted like, the 240 lbs 6% mass monster only use just over hrt doses of test and eats clean 100% of the time stay shredded. Most fellas lie about their hormones ABUSE.

Its really just factual info on what it takes to become a freak even bad genetics. I'm gh15 pupil and if you're on the gh15 board, check my progress thread.

http://gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=6219.0

Just started tren a for next part of my mutation.

[The Big Sexy]

Nuttin but love for TBS. I'm def a fan of TBS' physique.

Really tho the main difference with gh15 is there's no balonie cycle crap posted like, the 240 lbs 6% mass monster only use just over hrt doses of test and eats clean 100% of the time stay shredded. Most fellas lie about their hormones ABUSE.

Its really just factual info on what it takes to become a freak even bad genetics. I'm gh15 pupil and if you're on the gh15 board, check my progress thread.

http://gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=6219.0

Just started tren a for next part of my mutation.

I can't even see that... and what the hell is a wizard?

Boom - TBS physique for purposes of making this thread more sexah...

[Swiper]

I can't even see that... and what the hell is a wizard?

Boom - TBS physique for purposes of making this thread more sexah...

that's an awesome pic. not so much you, but the lighting is cool. lol

[s2h]

I can't even see that... and what the hell is a wizard?

Boom - TBS physique for purposes of making this thread more sexah...i just soiled myself....

[caribeman]

that's an awesome pic. not so much you, but the lighting is cool. lol

lol

[Dre23]

^^^^

(eyes you suspiciously)

Most bookstores can help you out there.

And I'm sure a local church would have a copy to lend you or gift to you outright.

Welcome to Rx Muscle. Allow me to direct your attention here:

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/forumdisplay.php?39-Politics-Religion-amp-Philosophy


Curt,

You are my man...one of a kind. :)

But he is SO not talking about that ^^^^ Bible.

[Dre23]

I can't even see that... and what the hell is a wizard?

What can't you see in what he posted?

[toxic Avenger]

Pre-contest stack for guaranteed success...

100mg test prop per week
100mg primo per week
50mg clomid ED
1000iu HCG EoD (don't want to get too wild here)
Dbol 5mg ED
Deca 50mg per week
Anavar 5mg per day
Nolva 25mg per day
Tren - 10mg E3D

Now, this isn't ground-breaking here either... followed by some of the top pros in this industry but it is the first time you have seen it actually laid out in the open this way. This is some craziness... NINE compounds!! NINE! Some shit people will do for greatness.

Female competitor trying to get pregnant on contest night?

[The Big Sexy]

What can't you see in what he posted?

What he posted... I can't see it. Have to register.

[The Big Sexy]

Female competitor trying to get pregnant on contest night?

HAHAHHA ahh all your steroid shits knowledge gets turned upside down!! I paid $1500 to Jason Genova for this ULTIMATE ROID STACK 2000 VERSION 2.143 EXTREME CYCLE!!!

[Deltasaurus]

bumping to talk about this guy...

dose recommendations iv seen him give are insane and he also believes anyone who is 5'10 with 170lbs of lean mass is juiced lol

the guys sounds like a joke.. im 5'9 with 158 LBM natty... or was natty :) anyways

whats the consensus this guy is another razor ripped or what?

[LookinFit75]

Nuttin but love for TBS. I'm def a fan of TBS' physique.

Really tho the main difference with gh15 is there's no balonie cycle crap posted like, the 240 lbs 6% mass monster only use just over hrt doses of test and eats clean 100% of the time stay shredded. Most fellas lie about their hormones ABUSE.

Its really just factual info on what it takes to become a freak even bad genetics. I'm gh15 pupil and if you're on the gh15 board, check my progress thread.

http://gh15.org/forum/index.php?topic=6219.0


Just started tren a for next part of my mutation.
Nice transformation bro.

[Big Barry]

HAHAHHA ahh all your steroid shits knowledge gets turned upside down!! I paid $1500 to Jason Genova for this ULTIMATE ROID STACK 2000 VERSION 2.143 EXTREME CYCLE!!!

Genova charged me $1750 for the stack. I guess you got the sexiness discount!