HumaPro vs Whey

[BabyBeast05]

Anyone switch from Whey to HumaPro? I just recently started using HumaPro pre and post workout with good results so far. I find I get better pumps even though I'm 8 weeks out from competition. Just wondering how many others are on the HumaPro train

[scimjara]

protein is protein.

IIRC

[MiamiMadePunk]

TBS should chim in on this one.

[BabyBeast05]

TBS should chim in on this one.

yea I was hoping he would!

[aidenkail]

these guys say its not protein its just aminos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1VoN7-aHrk


just for the record, ive used humapro and liked it

[retwa]

(facepalm)...not this shit again. Humapro is a BCAA supplement, not a complete protein source like whey.

[Dre23]

(facepalm)...not this shit again. Humapro is a BCAA supplement, not a complete protein source like whey.

Actually, and while I don't believe that Humapro is anything special, it is actually a free-form essential amino acid supplement (since it contains all 22 of the essential amino acids, and NOT just the 3 Branch Chain Aminos).

So in that respect, some would argue that it is a whole food protein source since it does contain all of the amino acids that would be present in an actual piece of chicken/beef/fish, etc.

[GDavis]

I have to admit I have used Humapro for my sole protein source for all my meals but dinner for about 3 months and gained muscle.

[Buckeye Fan]

Agreed with the above comments. Humapro isnt the same thing as Whey and DEF not to be used as a meal replacement over Whey!!

[retwa]

Actually, and while I don't believe that Humapro is anything special, it is actually a free-form essential amino acid supplement (since it contains all 22 of the essential amino acids, and NOT just the 3 Branch Chain Aminos).

So in that respect, some would argue that it is a whole food protein source since it does contain all of the amino acids that would be present in an actual piece of chicken/beef/fish, etc.

What ingredients list are you reading? It contains 8 amino acids from what I can see.

[retwa]

I have to admit I have used Humapro for my sole protein source for all my meals but dinner for about 3 months and gained muscle.

Well, ALRI does have a history of spiking their products...

[BabyBeast05]

I've dieted before using only Liquid Beef Aminos as my protein source for 10 weeks before and got in the best condition of my life so I do not see why Humapro would be any different. I have heard many people call whey garbage before, I'm just looking for people with actual experience using humapro

[AVBG]

The only thing that stops me using humapro is the excessive cost.. I wonder If I can get it shipped via orbit nutrition?


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[retwa]

I have heard many people call whey garbage before

Many people say lots of stupid things, that doesn't mean you should listen.

Whey is a 1.0 on the PDCAAS (which is the standard for measuring quality of protein sources for humans, not the "NNU" as ALRI says), and it also contains protein fractions like lactoferrin that can help with growth, recovery, and immune function.

[GDavis]

Well, ALRI does have a history of spiking their products...

You know it is interesting you bring that up. Author seems to always have a explanation for each scenario (venom, Jungle Warfare, MAX LG, and so on). It is hard to tell if he is the lone mad scientist rebelling against a corrupt system or just another Svengali ( I cant honestly tell). I don't think he is a Brian Clapp, I actually really enjoy listening to him talk. I actually really like ALRI's products and have used the entire line (minus the golf products?!?). I have used them all and actually they are the only company over the years that I continue to use and come back to. I will always give their products a try. I just ordered 2 bottles of their new LipoTherm. My real critique of ALRI is their lack of attention to details, which ends up sending the consumers a very mixed message. On the one hand, they want us to believe they are innovative and breaking new ground in OTC science yet almost every product seems to plagued with slapstick errors. The issue of scoop sizes with Chained Out, every bottle of Restore I ever used had a different count and not just by one or two!, I had a bottle of Jungle Warfare once that had at least 3 caps empty, The typo on the first bottle of Humapro. I really love their products and will continue to use them. But these "errors" make the other issues seems more believable, and the claims of some of the products less believable. Of course everything I just said is unfounded and nothing but my own experience with the company. But I think others tend to see the company similarly. I have always noticed when it comes to ALRI, everyone seems to have an opinion. But to answer the thread Humapro is the best supplement I have ever used.

ramblings of a loyal and frustrated ALRI supporter

[BabyBeast05]

Many people say lots of stupid things, that doesn't mean you should listen.

Whey is a 1.0 on the PDCAAS (which is the standard for measuring quality of protein sources for humans, not the "NNU" as ALRI says), and it also contains protein fractions like lactoferrin that can help with growth, recovery, and immune function.

I only use whey when I have to because of convenience. Sometimes its a lot easier to throw two scoops of whey in a shaker with water and down it than it is to eat chicken breast, but I still limit my whey to two shakes a day. HumaPro offers the same convenience, 2 scoops in water and down it. If ALR is right saying that 1 scoop of humapro is the same protein utilization as 1 scoop whey iso then 90 scoops for $45 bucks is a good deal. Most good whey iso's are like $60 buck for 80 servings, give or take

[retwa]

If ALR is right saying that 1 scoop of humapro is the same protein utilization as 1 scoop whey iso then 90 scoops for $45 bucks is a good deal. Most good whey iso's are like $60 buck for 80 servings, give or take

They are totally wrong here. First of all, humapro is not a complete protein source like whey....I mean, this is obvious to anyone who cares to read the ingredients label. Compare the amino acid content to the AA profile found in a scoop of whey. Second, their "NNU" method for determining protein quality is flawed, dated, and not used by anyone but ALRI.

I agree that it's best to limit any type of supplemental protein to maybe 2-4 servings a day, including whey. The reason for this is that supplement companies (and ALRI especially) are known for producing products that aren't incredibly pure or high quality...many are contaminated with heavy metals, and you don't want to be relying on them excessively for this reason.

[adpolice]

Well humapro is an EAA product.The difference with a complete protein source is that it hasn't to be broken down into amino acids in the gut,this might benefit someone with digestive problems,swithing also from whey without any change in diet will provide less calories aka weight loss.It is just that simple,like every other EAA product.What's wrong is ALRI trying to push it like the next big thing and there loose its credit imo to the serious user..EAA products are not bad just no better or worse than a complete protein source

[Dre23]

What ingredients list are you reading? It contains 8 amino acids from what I can see.

Yes, you are right...it does not contain all 22 Essential and Nonessential aminio acids...I was mistaken. But it does contains 11 of them (which ends up being a mixture of essential & nonessential AA).

Here is the label I am reading from and you can count and see that there are 11 separate amino acids listed as the very first ingredients.

118653

My only real point in posting this was to correct your statement that all that Humapro is is another BCAA product which it is not. BCAA's are JUST leucine, valine, and isoleucine, which Humapro contains, but it also contains a mixture of other aminos making it an Essential Amino Acid product.

ALR's product, "Chain'd Out"...now THAT is strictly a BCAA supplement containing just the 3 branched chanin aminos.


But yes, I agree with you and adpolice above that the product is nothing special and how it is marketed is misleading. But then again this is the bodybuilding/supplement industry so what do you expect??

[Minnphat]

humapro all day, keeps me full, no water retention, I only eat five meals a day and replaced my pre and pwo shake with humapro for about a year and half now, i will never go back to whey. I have said this in other sections FOR MY BODY whey is poison thats including expensive whey isolates... whole food and aminos is 100x better for me..... if you dont believe it try it for two weeks....

[Matt Knappick]

I have pure whey Isolate of the Highest quality(unflavoured) mixed with a flavored amino supplement, theres perfection right there.

Huma pro was a custom blend from Ajimoto if I can recall, it is just high quality amino acids, that are plant derived-if you go onto the manufacturers website, they state that aminos from dairy (whey) are superior to their amino acids!!!! Nothing like some good old fashioned corporate honesty there.

[Triple-H_2005]

The only thing that stops me using humapro is the excessive cost.. I wonder If I can get it shipped via orbit nutrition?


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Your math is faulty.

Serving for serving, Humapro cost is virtually identical to whey.

[Triple-H_2005]

For those that are trashing Humapro based on whatever numbers they are choosing to trust (I say "choosing" because statistics can be used to prove or disprove damn near anything), I ask this:

Have you TRIED it?

I've been using HP since May of 2010 and LOVE it. I think I've bought a total of 2 or 3 tubs of whey in the last almost 2 years...only then buying it for taste (I LOVE whey in my oatmeal!!!).

I've gained muscle and stayed leaner at a higher bodyweight than anytime prior. My eating habits (macros, timing) are largely similar...HP is the only major nutritional change that I have made in that time.

[adpolice]

What i want to say is that i have used it during cutting and it helped because i get a little bloat from even the best isolates but i've used also animal nitro(which is Universal's EAA product)and it was the same just like every other EAA product.During bulking i like more a complete protein for the cals since i don't care for a little water retention.On the other hand i have a friend who used concetrate up to a week before competing and he already had the paper thin skin..There is just no comparison.It is like comparing apple and oranges,beef and turkey...

[retwa]

Lots of bodybuilder probably tend to over-consume proteins...cut some of that out and replace it with an amino supp like humapro and it's no surprise why you might notice you are a bit leaner.

[BabyBeast05]

Lots of bodybuilder probably tend to over-consume proteins...cut some of that out and replace it with an amino supp like humapro and it's no surprise why you might notice you are a bit leaner.

This is why I wondering if switching to Humapro instead of whey would be better. I do think sometimes we consume more protein than we need to. So if you drink two whey shakes a day, then replace those with two HumaPro shakes sure your calories drop but I'm wondering if it's gonna to make a huge difference in muscle retention or growth. I want feedback from people who have done this

[Yoshe]

all ALRI products are now produced in cGMP and NSF certified facilities.

i've been using HumaPro since it came out (early adopter and wanted to put the claims to the test). no bloat, no GI issues, no terrible protein farts. i still eat just as much in whole food proteins (if not more), recovery is better, endurance is better...i haven't had one issue with it--ever.

i use HumaPro 25-30mins before 4 of my 6 meals a day. i have been nothing but happy.

how can you knock it before you try it? for all of the glowing reviews out there you get a few that aren't really negative, but might say something along the lines of, "It worked, but I could live with or without it." personally, HumaPro and Chain'd Out are my staples.

[BabyBeast05]

all ALRI products are now produced in cGMP and NSF certified facilities.

i've been using HumaPro since it came out (early adopter and wanted to put the claims to the test). no bloat, no GI issues, no terrible protein farts. i still eat just as much in whole food proteins (if not more), recovery is better, endurance is better...i haven't had one issue with it--ever.

i use HumaPro 25-30mins before 4 of my 6 meals a day. i have been nothing but happy.

how can you knock it before you try it? for all of the glowing reviews out there you get a few that aren't really negative, but might say something along the lines of, "It worked, but I could live with or without it." personally, HumaPro and Chain'd Out are my staples.

I just started taking N Gorge, HumaPro & Chain'd out around my workouts and the pumps I've been getting are outstanding! Nothing else in my diet has changed at all and I'm 8 weeks out. I know something is working! I am still drinking 2 whey shakes a day though, but am on the fence if I want to replace them with HumaPro or not

[Sandpig]

I use HumaPro for at least 50% of my protein intake. At 47 I have actually gained some size recently. And that ain't easy for me to do.

And if you buy it from Lockout it comes out to only 50 cents per serving.

If anyone tries it, follow the directions.

BTW, a new orange flavor was just released this week.

[Sandpig]

The only thing that stops me using humapro is the excessive cost.. I wonder If I can get it shipped via orbit nutrition?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI assume you say that because you are in Australia and the shipping kills you? Or are you buying from someone down there and they are raping you?

[TheABomb]

Humapro by far, I can't believe people are even talking about this. I basically gave up all whey shakes, do some humapro tabs 2-3x per day. Protein shakes, bars, all that stuff is total crap imo. I just go with real food and humapro.

[TheABomb]

You know it is interesting you bring that up. Author seems to always have a explanation for each scenario (venom, Jungle Warfare, MAX LG, and so on). It is hard to tell if he is the lone mad scientist rebelling against a corrupt system or just another Svengali ( I cant honestly tell). I don't think he is a Brian Clapp, I actually really enjoy listening to him talk. I actually really like ALRI's products and have used the entire line (minus the golf products?!?). I have used them all and actually they are the only company over the years that I continue to use and come back to. I will always give their products a try. I just ordered 2 bottles of their new LipoTherm. My real critique of ALRI is their lack of attention to details, which ends up sending the consumers a very mixed message. On the one hand, they want us to believe they are innovative and breaking new ground in OTC science yet almost every product seems to plagued with slapstick errors. The issue of scoop sizes with Chained Out, every bottle of Restore I ever used had a different count and not just by one or two!, I had a bottle of Jungle Warfare once that had at least 3 caps empty, The typo on the first bottle of Humapro. I really love their products and will continue to use them. But these "errors" make the other issues seems more believable, and the claims of some of the products less believable. Of course everything I just said is unfounded and nothing but my own experience with the company. But I think others tend to see the company similarly. I have always noticed when it comes to ALRI, everyone seems to have an opinion. But to answer the thread Humapro is the best supplement I have ever used.

ramblings of a loyal and frustrated ALRI supporter

A lot of these things are true, BUT it's the fucking supplement industry. The vast majortiy of CEOs not only do stuff like this, but are complete assholes and run their businesses like total scumbags. Author and Laina are both real friendly, give away a TON of free stuff on the forums. I'll support these guys ANY day over some scumbag GNC manager that doens't even lift telling me that I need to buy my wheybolic 60 for 80 bucks a tub or else I'll get no results in my training.

Not to mention, while most supplements are complete horseshit imo ALR supps are actually fairly decent imo. Everyone's all crazed about dmz, prohormones, halodrol. ALR was one of the first to see the potential in these drugs and market them. Ergo Max LMG was one of the best products I ever took. His gear advance was the shit too. Jungle Warfare, spiked or not spiked, I really don't care. I got great gains with no sides. Chain'd Out, can't say I've gotten any amazing results, but it taste great so I keep buying it.

[The Big Sexy]

there really is no comparison...

[LayItDown]

there really is no comparison...

Ok Mods....this thread has now concluded. Thank you and have a great day!

[adpolice]

I assume you say that because you are in Australia and the shipping kills you? Or are you buying from someone down there and they are raping you?Sandpig is that you in the avi?Looking good!

[Matt Meinrod]

TBS more details you Jake head

[D_T]

I like to sneak it in 30 min before meals or before smaller meals that may not contain a good protein source.

[GDavis]

No matter what, I have used it for extended period of times for all my meals but 1 and gotten bigger! Does it work, simply yes. Is it 99% NNU, I don't know. Is it a "more human" protein, I don't know. Is 1 scoop equal to X 100's of grams of Whey, I don't know. Regardless best supplement I have ever used.

This board was much better with ALRI on board. One of the best forums on here.

[Matt Meinrod]

How many calories are in humapro? Mind is getting cloudy didn't TBS work for ALRI at some point? Would a 200lb bodybuilder who eats 200g of protein a day cut his protein to 125-150 and supplement the humapro or keep it at 200g and then take the humapro for added benefits?

[Young Gotti]

i've use humapro, i would never replace whey with humapro....rather i'd just use it in conjunction with whey protein.....for what they want you to take of humapro just to equal what someone would take in whey powder it would be super expensive....i think even at my weight a 450tab tub would last not even 2 weeks if i remember the math correctly.....not a bad product, but i wouldn't just throw out whey protein...may just reduce the use of it if anything

i also noticed no matter what i did, i couldn't get a damn pump if i used humapro preworkout...i've also heard other ppl mention this and i don't know why....not that it's a bad thing, but if someone trains for a pump, it may not work well

[AVBG]

I assume you say that because you are in Australia and the shipping kills you? Or are you buying from someone down there and they are raping you?

The shipping/distributor costs were way too much making each tub cost $100. I have ordered 3 tubs yesterday at under $50 per tub (shipping included)


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[Waylon]

HumaPro Vs Isolyze... FIGHT!

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[Triple-H_2005]

for what they want you to take of humapro just to equal what someone would take in whey powder it would be super expensive....

You are incorrect, sir.

10 HP = 56g whey protein

At RETAIL (because you can get it MUCH cheaper online), 300 HP = $43.00 for 30 "servings" (I know it says 60, but for our purposes, a serving will be equivalent to @ 50g whey) for a "cost" of $1.43 per serving.

At RETAIL, 5 lbs whey = $48.00 for 35 "servings". (again, 70- 25g servings, so 35-50g) for a "cost" of $1.37 per serving.


Explain to me, please, in which alternate reality a difference of $0.06 per serving is "super expensive"...

[Triple-H_2005]

i also noticed no matter what i did, i couldn't get a damn pump if i used humapro preworkout...i've also heard other ppl mention this and i don't know why....not that it's a bad thing, but if someone trains for a pump, it may not work well

Never heard that one before. From anyone. Anywhere. Ever.

In fact, since this pic was taken after 0 carbs for 3 1/2 days (and at that point in my diet, I was using HP for 5 of my 9 meals, exclusively), I'd have to question the negative effect that HP has on "pump".
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r75/glwaters56/0%20Weeks%20Out_3-B/DSC00586-2.jpg

[ZenFit]

ALRI especially) are known for producing products that aren't incredibly pure or high quality...many are contaminated with heavy metals, and you don't want to be relying on them excessively for this reason.

This is very scary and takes the 'spiking' of supplements to a whole new level. I could deal with Phen/Fen being in Venom or whatever that first issue was, but the fact that often these items can have heavy metals and other dangerous contaminants is very serious.

Great point, thanks for sharing.

[Sandpig]

Sandpig is that you in the avi?Looking good!
Yep, and I owe most of it to HP. I jacked up my consumption of it when I became a rep for them.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523072_2920119006751_1374073840_32142413_139093406 2_n.jpg

[Sandpig]

The shipping/distributor costs were way too much making each tub cost $100. I have ordered 3 tubs yesterday at under $50 per tub (shipping included)


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's awesome. About as good as we can get here.

[Sandpig]

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[Triple-H_2005]

I agree that it's best to limit any type of supplemental protein to maybe 2-4 servings a day, including whey. The reason for this is that supplement companies (and ALRI especially) are known for producing products that aren't incredibly pure or high quality...many are contaminated with heavy metals, and you don't want to be relying on them excessively for this reason.

If you have the link to this information detailing ALR's stuff containing heavy metal contamination, could you please PM it to me? Since I am aware of accusations of "spiking", but have never heard of ALR's stuff being shown to be contaminated with heavy metals, I'd love to see the data.

NOT a flame... As much of their stuff as I use, I'd love to know if I'm doing myself more harm than good.


And just so it can be said, I'm not an ALR rep and in the past year have gotten a grand total of ONE tub of HP powder and 2 t-shirts free from them. I pay my own hard-earned money for their supplements because they WORK.

[BabyBeast05]

Yep, and I owe most of it to HP. I jacked up my consumption of it when I became a rep for them.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523072_2920119006751_1374073840_32142413_139093406 2_n.jpg

I'm currently trying to become a rep. There are about 10 supplement stores in my area and even more gyms and I haven't seen ALR products at any of them! I'm trying to spread the word!

[retwa]

If you have the link to this information detailing ALR's stuff containing heavy metal contamination, could you please PM it to me? Since I am aware of accusations of "spiking", but have never heard of ALR's stuff being shown to be contaminated with heavy metals, I'd love to see the data.

NOT a flame... As much of their stuff as I use, I'd love to know if I'm doing myself more harm than good.


And just so it can be said, I'm not an ALR rep and in the past year have gotten a grand total of ONE tub of HP powder and 2 t-shirts free from them. I pay my own hard-earned money for their supplements because they WORK.

ALRI's products have tested positive for significant amounts of pharm. drugs in the past (sibutramine). Heavy metal contamination, I'm not sure about with respect to ALRI. I guess I didn't word that sentence properly, since I was referring to the 'spiking' issues when I said "ALRI especially", not heavy metal contamination. Sorry.

But it's been well-established that supplements in general tend to be of poor quality and purity. Independent tests have consistently shown heavy metal contamination...consumer reports did a test of various protein powders and found that you would be over the set intake limits for a number of heavy metals simply by consuming 3 servings of certain brands of whey per day. Muscle milk and EAS RTD protein drinks (the ones they usually sell at the gym) were the worst offenders. Optimum's protein, on the other hand, actually came back very clean.

Here are the consumer reports results:

118677

[Curt James]

Well, ALRI does have a history of spiking their products...

Mike the Ripper in 3... 2... 1...

Wait.

No, I guess that's not happening.

[retwa]

Also, I'm really not trying to bash humapro here - I think it's probably a pretty good bcaa/eaa supplement. I'm just calling BS on their claims that whey is a garbage protein source or that humapro is better than whey.

[ManimalPatB]

I'm currently trying to become a rep. There are about 10 supplement stores in my area and even more gyms and I haven't seen ALR products at any of them! I'm trying to spread the word!

So the only reason your started this thread was to give you some street cred with the ALRI brand.....who isn't even a sponsor on this site anymore


NOW

I tried humapro....didn't think it was the next big thing coming like internet porn. But it was ok. I did it with my pre workouts and I guess it worked.

But I enjoy my protein shakes...keep prep fun

[TheABomb]

ALRI's products have tested positive for significant amounts of pharm. drugs in the past (sibutramine). Heavy metal contamination, I'm not sure about with respect to ALRI. I guess I didn't word that sentence properly, since I was referring to the 'spiking' issues when I said "ALRI especially", not heavy metal contamination. Sorry.

But it's been well-established that supplements in general tend to be of poor quality and purity. Independent tests have consistently shown heavy metal contamination...consumer reports did a test of various protein powders and found that you would be over the set intake limits for a number of heavy metals simply by consuming 3 servings of certain brands of whey per day. Muscle milk and EAS RTD protein drinks (the ones they usually sell at the gym) were the worst offenders. Optimum's protein, on the other hand, actually came back very clean.

Here are the consumer reports results:

118677


True, that's why I try to stay away from supplements as much as possible. Considering the vast majority of them give you zero results at all, and the best ones give you miniscule results, yet the chances of contamination are high+lack of research on long term health problems makes supps a big no-no for me.

I stick with my 1-2 servings of humapro, plus a lot of chicken, veggies, and generally clean raw whole food.

[retwa]

The only bodybuilding-related supplement that I regularly use is whey isolate...occasionally will use something like a PH or creatine, etc., but I don't make it a regular thing.

Most supplements that I take are actually just for maintaining my health and negating some of the effects of a high calorie diet, training hard, etc. For those, I just buy the supermarket brand...often they have buy 1 get 1 specials on vitamins, and supermarket brand supplements are actually usually very high quality since they are backed by a large company that is worried about possible litigation that could come from selling dangerous products. Other small supplement companies are mainly fly by night operations that don't care about quality.

[BabyBeast05]

So the only reason your started this thread was to give you some street cred with the ALRI brand.....who isn't even a sponsor on this site anymore


NOW

I tried humapro....didn't think it was the next big thing coming like internet porn. But it was ok. I did it with my pre workouts and I guess it worked.

But I enjoy my protein shakes...keep prep fun

No I don't need "street cred" from anybody, I started the thread to see how many people were using humapro. Maybe you should go back and read my first post before making such an idiotic statement and you would see that. I wasn't trying to turn this into a whey sucks and humapro rules thread either, I simply asked who was using humapro as their protein source instead of whey. But of course since this is the internet there are so many SUPER smart people who KNOW that doing that would just be stupid, even though they have never tried it. So many know it alls online

[PTB]

Wow! This thread brought back some of the guys I haven't heard from in a while!

I use HP around training sessions, or when I'm on the run or traveling and don't want to mix shakes.

When I have time in the morning though, I'll still mix a Whey shake w/peanut butter.

[Jmuls]

Yep, and I owe most of it to HP. I jacked up my consumption of it when I became a rep for them.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523072_2920119006751_1374073840_32142413_139093406 2_n.jpg

You said since becoming a rep for ALRI, you've jacked up your consumption of HP. So how much of it are you now taking on a daily basis? How much of it were you taking before becoming a rep? I'm guessing there's been a difference in your results when money wasn't really a concern and you could take as much as you wanted?

[Young Gotti]

You are incorrect, sir.

10 HP = 56g whey protein

At RETAIL (because you can get it MUCH cheaper online), 300 HP = $43.00 for 30 "servings" (I know it says 60, but for our purposes, a serving will be equivalent to @ 50g whey) for a "cost" of $1.43 per serving.

At RETAIL, 5 lbs whey = $48.00 for 35 "servings". (again, 70- 25g servings, so 35-50g) for a "cost" of $1.37 per serving.


Explain to me, please, in which alternate reality a difference of $0.06 per serving is "super expensive"...

considering a tub of humapro 450tab is $50, a 5lb bag of protein is $30....a 5lb of protein will last me a month...a 450tub of humapro lasts 2 weeks...thats $100 a month vs $30 a month....forget the servings

[Young Gotti]

Never heard that one before. From anyone. Anywhere. Ever.

In fact, since this pic was taken after 0 carbs for 3 1/2 days (and at that point in my diet, I was using HP for 5 of my 9 meals, exclusively), I'd have to question the negative effect that HP has on "pump".
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r75/glwaters56/0%20Weeks%20Out_3-B/DSC00586-2.jpg


well now you know...humapro had a negative effect on my pumps....and go look through otc supplements, somewhere in there mentioned negative pumps as well

not saying it's a bad product...just no way i'd recommend totally replacing protein powder with it....just using the two in conjunction

in fact i'll be using a tub in about a week or two

[mrmister]

For those that are trashing Humapro based on whatever numbers they are choosing to trust (I say "choosing" because statistics can be used to prove or disprove damn near anything), I ask this:

Have you TRIED it?

I've been using HP since May of 2010 and LOVE it. I think I've bought a total of 2 or 3 tubs of whey in the last almost 2 years...only then buying it for taste (I LOVE whey in my oatmeal!!!).

I've gained muscle and stayed leaner at a higher bodyweight than anytime prior. My eating habits (macros, timing) are largely similar...HP is the only major nutritional change that I have made in that time.

do you get payed to peddle?

[The Big Sexy]

well now you know...humapro had a negative effect on my pumps....and go look through otc supplements, somewhere in there mentioned negative pumps as well

not saying it's a bad product...just no way i'd recommend totally replacing protein powder with it....just using the two in conjunction

in fact i'll be using a tub in about a week or two

There is no way on Earth Humapro had a negative effect on your pumps. Pumps are primarily created by water intake... your protein consumption would have little or nothing to do with it. Adding in that Humapro actually helps to partition nutrients you eat to the muscles would support evidence to show that it actually does help with pumps, rather than hinder them.

And no, I don't get paid to peddle.

[Sandpig]

You said since becoming a rep for ALRI, you've jacked up your consumption of HP. So how much of it are you now taking on a daily basis? How much of it were you taking before becoming a rep? I'm guessing there's been a difference in your results when money wasn't really a concern and you could take as much as you wanted?I more or less use as directed now. I was only using it first thing in the am and before bed.
I'd say I get about 60% of my protein from HP now. And I don't get an endless supply either.

[Friendly Milkshake]

when i took humapro i maintained size and didnot affect strength. its like a good protein supplement that doesnt cause all the G.I. issues.

has anyone tried just using a regular generic EAA complex?

[Triple-H_2005]

considering a tub of humapro 450tab is $50, a 5lb bag of protein is $30....a 5lb of protein will last me a month...a 450tub of humapro lasts 2 weeks...thats $100 a month vs $30 a month....forget the servings

Your example is faulty if you say "forget the servings".

If you're not comparing apples to apples, serving vs serving, your argument fails.

[Triple-H_2005]

do you get payed to peddle?

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you just selectively reading the thread.

I get paid to peddle to Dermatology Specialty physicians. This, I say because I've experienced it.

[Young Gotti]

Your example is faulty if you say "forget the servings".

If you're not comparing apples to apples, serving vs serving, your argument fails.


the reason servings aren't important is because the amount of pills alri tells you to take in order to replace protein powder all together

however if you want to really compare:

Huma 450 tab= $50 for 90 servings, .55 per serving

Protein powder 5lbs= lets say $35 for 85 servings, .41 per serving

thats a difference of .14 per serving....lets say u only take 3 servings per day...it comes to about $13.00 a month and $156 per year....that would buy me over 20lbs of protein powder

in your case of 9 servings a day at .14 per serving it's $1.26 a day, $37.80 per month and $453.60 per year....if you got money and you think it's worth it thats fine....but thats 64lbs of protein powder per year, which is more than i use for a whole year

[Sandpig]

Quality whey protein is hard to find for $7/lb these days.

And why compare 3 servs of whey to 9 servs of HP?

[Sandpig]

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[retwa]

ALRI: Humapro, 450 Tabs

$46.95


ALRI has released the world's first HUMAN protein. nothing like whey....and 1g of it will be equivalent to 5.6g of pharmecutical whey. (thats right...the kind in IV bags at hospitals). Very little waste, 99% anabolic, and due to its efficiency servings are 5-10g up to 4 times a day.
40g of HUMAPRO will be equivalent to 224g of whey protein Isolate(pharm grade)
99:1 Anabolic to Catabolic Ratio

Oh man...there is so much bullshit in this one small advertisement that I have no idea where to begin.

[GENESIS]

Quality whey protein is hard to find for $7/lb these days.

And why compare 3 servs of whey to 9 servs of HP?

I was going to say this exact same thing. Regardless of my stance on humapro you really cant get a good whey protein for the prices YoungGotti is talking about.

[TheABomb]

I was going to say this exact same thing. Regardless of my stance on humapro you really cant get a good whey protein for the prices YoungGotti is talking about.

Generally I find that price has zero correlation with the quality of a protein powder....

[Young Gotti]

I was going to say this exact same thing. Regardless of my stance on humapro you really cant get a good whey protein for the prices YoungGotti is talking about.


depends on what you consider good....if your looking for straight isolate? then no you can't.....a blend with isolate as the main protein source....then you can, it's actually common to find some good isolate first protein blends for between $28 and $40 per 5lbs

on the other end, look at the big name proteins like that myfofusion or syntha 6 that are waayy overpriced for concentrate based protein

[GENESIS]

Generally I find that price has zero correlation with the quality of a protein powder....

Sure. Just like there is no difference in Pharma and UG gear?

[TheABomb]

Sure. Just like there is no difference in Pharma and UG gear?

Really bad analogy imo.

[GENESIS]

Really bad analogy imo.

I put the same amount of effort in my response as you did with yours.

[TheABomb]

I put the same amount of effort in my response as you did with yours.

To say that Uncle Z is to Watson as Optimum is to Muscletech is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Anyone with a brain can figure out why.

[GENESIS]

depends on what you consider good....if your looking for straight isolate? then no you can't.....a blend with isolate as the main protein source....then you can, it's actually common to find some good isolate first protein blends for between $28 and $40 per 5lbs

on the other end, look at the big name proteins like that myfofusion or syntha 6 that are waayy overpriced for concentrate based protein

If its very common can you produce 5 links for me then?

[TheABomb]

The difference between purchasing bunk underground gear vs watson cyp can be the difference between a 15lb lean muscle gain and an abscess that requires hospitalization. And fevers. And possibly death.

The difference between buying a 25 dollar optimum gold standard bottle vs a 30 dollar Nitro Tech bottle is, well, nothing at all. Except maybe a smaller lead and arsenic content in the CHEAPER of the two.

What are these proteins that you're comparing to Watson and Pfizer anyway?

[GENESIS]

The difference between buying a 25 dollar optimum gold standard bottle vs a 30 dollar Nitro Tech bottle is, well, nothing at all. Except maybe a smaller lead and arsenic content in the CHEAPER of the two.

What are these proteins that you're comparing to Watson and Pfizer anyway?

Tell that to many users digestive tract and they will laugh at you.

Isopure.

[TheABomb]

Tell that to many users digestive tract and they will laugh at you.

Isopure.

People end up in the hospital for diverticultilitis or deadly colon diseases? I find that hard to believe...

Isopure isn't bad though, but I don't find it worth the extra 20 bucks over ON. No difference for me whatsoever, and the results of the metals test seem to agree w/ what I've felt.*

[The Big Sexy]

Show me a high quality bag of protein that Costs $30 for 5lbs lol

[TheABomb]

Never seen anything powder that size for 30 bucks

[Sandpig]

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[Sandpig]

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[Karuk]

I really like Humapro and Chained Out. Great products to add to the mix if you can get them at an affordable price. I will admit that the cost prevents me from using them all of the time. I buy the 6lb bag of protein at costco for $38.

I have found a couple sales on Humapro and Chained Out online (Amazon) only to be told the product was "out of stock" after placing my order. Since then I have not ordered any Alri products.

[Sandpig]

I really like Humapro and Chained Out. Great products to add to the mix if you can get them at an affordable price. I will admit that the cost prevents me from using them all of the time. I buy the 6lb bag of protein at costco for $38.

I have found a couple sales on Humapro and Chained Out online (Amazon) only to be told the product was "out of stock" after placing my order. Since then I have not ordered any Alri products.
Lockout Nutrition is #1 for ALRI products. They were out of quite a few things recently. Everything should be in stock now. Including the new orange HP.

[Jmuls]

Ok, so this is how I see it.

For me personally, I normally use 3 shakes daily. Each shake contains roughly 50g of PRO. I consume a shake mid morning, PWO, and before bed. According to the HP literature, 1g of HP = 5.6g of whey, right? So if took 2 scoops or 10 tabs of HP, that would be the equivalent of 56g of whey. The only way for me to use HP would be to do an even swap, whey for HP. So that means 2 scoops or 10 tabs mid morning, PWO, and before bed. In this scenario, I would be using 6 servings daily.

The idea of using HP before each whole food meal on top of the times mentioned above, is where things would get expensive for me. I don't add whey to my whole food meals. Those meals are just that, whole food. I don't want to use anymore whey than I already use. So why would I add HP to my whole food meals? This is where it's a loss for me. The only way I would be able to try out HP is to use it as an alternative to shakes. Like I said, swap whey for HP.

So this is it what it comes down to for me. Question is, would someone like myself, taking 2 servings of HP, at the 3 times specified above, experience results convincing enough to make me permanently replace whey with HP? Anyone who uses HP please chime in on my question here. I'm unbiased and definitely willing to give HP a shot. But I'm not going to do anymore than what I've already outlined here within. Like I said, for me and my situation, this would only work as a simple even swap, whey for HP.

[GENESIS]

Ok, so this is how I see it.

For me personally, I normally use 3 shakes daily. Each shake contains roughly 50g of PRO. I consume a shake mid morning, PWO, and before bed. According to the HP literature, 1g of HP = 5.6g of whey, right? So if took 2 scoops or 10 tabs of HP, that would be the equivalent of 56g of whey. The only way for me to use HP would be to do an even swap, whey for HP. So that means 2 scoops or 10 tabs mid morning, PWO, and before bed. In this scenario, I would be using 6 servings daily.

The idea of using HP before each whole food meal on top of the times mentioned above, is where things would get expensive for me. I don't add whey to my whole food meals. Those meals are just that, whole food. I don't want to use anymore whey than I already use. So why would I add HP to my whole food meals? This is where it's a loss for me. The only way I would be able to try out HP is to use it as an alternative to shakes. Like I said, swap whey for HP.

So this is it what it comes down to for me. Question is, would someone like myself, taking 2 servings of HP, at the 3 times specified above, experience results convincing enough to make me permanently replace whey with HP? Anyone who uses HP please chime in on my question here. I'm unbiased and definitely willing to give HP a shot. But I'm not going to do anymore than what I've already outlined here within. Like I said, for me and my situation, this would only work as a simple even swap, whey for HP.


Regardless of what someone tells you online you will never be able to fully know one way or the other unless you try it. I did. I went back to the protein shakes myself because they filled me up more, but I definitely didnt notice any strength or muscle loss during that time period.

[BuffGuy]

every whey protein i used caused gas, so i switched to humapro and no gas. I do feel it works because i am able to digest this stuff and I did feel feel stronger at the gym

[Young Gotti]

Ok, so this is how I see it.

For me personally, I normally use 3 shakes daily. Each shake contains roughly 50g of PRO. I consume a shake mid morning, PWO, and before bed. According to the HP literature, 1g of HP = 5.6g of whey, right? So if took 2 scoops or 10 tabs of HP, that would be the equivalent of 56g of whey. The only way for me to use HP would be to do an even swap, whey for HP. So that means 2 scoops or 10 tabs mid morning, PWO, and before bed. In this scenario, I would be using 6 servings daily.

The idea of using HP before each whole food meal on top of the times mentioned above, is where things would get expensive for me. I don't add whey to my whole food meals. Those meals are just that, whole food. I don't want to use anymore whey than I already use. So why would I add HP to my whole food meals? This is where it's a loss for me. The only way I would be able to try out HP is to use it as an alternative to shakes. Like I said, swap whey for HP.

So this is it what it comes down to for me. Question is, would someone like myself, taking 2 servings of HP, at the 3 times specified above, experience results convincing enough to make me permanently replace whey with HP? Anyone who uses HP please chime in on my question here. I'm unbiased and definitely willing to give HP a shot. But I'm not going to do anymore than what I've already outlined here within. Like I said, for me and my situation, this would only work as a simple even swap, whey for HP.


what genesis said is spot on, the shakes will fill you up a little and prevent hunger for a bit, so if you switch to humapro you may be hungry in between meals, you may also want to then recalculate your whole food meals to make up from the missed calories your getting from the protein shakes, which is a bonus from the humapro in getting whole food calories

maybe someone could chime in, but also whats the reason for the shake before bed? to help keep from muscle wasting while you sleep? how quickly does humapro enter and leave the body vs. a whey protein, i never used humapro before bed so i never really looked into that, may be something interesting to check out

[Jmuls]

what genesis said is spot on, the shakes will fill you up a little and prevent hunger for a bit, so if you switch to humapro you may be hungry in between meals, you may also want to then recalculate your whole food meals to make up from the missed calories your getting from the protein shakes, which is a bonus from the humapro in getting whole food calories

maybe someone could chime in, but also whats the reason for the shake before bed? to help keep from muscle wasting while you sleep? how quickly does humapro enter and leave the body vs. a whey protein, i never used humapro before bed so i never really looked into that, may be something interesting to check out

Without even trying HP, I know I would definitely be hungrier between meals. I think that much is going to be a given with this product. I think a good fat source would combine well with the HP as it would cause me to feel satiated and more content.

As for the shake before bed....really nothing new here. Never come across someone having a shake before bed? An easy way to get more protein in when maybe the appetite isn't ravenous and you're not looking for something to heavy to be sitting in your stomach when going to sleep. Not going to get into the whole discussion of what type of protein to consume before bed, as that's a a discussion for another thread. Never the less, making sure you've recently consumed protein (in whichever form you prefer) before going to bed is a tried and true practice. Like I said, nothing new here!

[Young Gotti]

Without even trying HP, I know I would definitely be hungrier between meals. I think that much is going to be a given with this product. I think a good fat source would combine well with the HP as it would cause me to feel satiated and more content.

As for the shake before bed....really nothing new here. Never come across someone having a shake before bed? An easy way to get more protein in when maybe the appetite isn't ravenous and you're not looking for something to heavy to be sitting in your stomach when going to sleep. Not going to get into the whole discussion of what type of protein to consume before bed, as that's a a discussion for another thread. Never the less, making sure you've recently consumed protein (in whichever form you prefer) before going to bed is a tried and true practice. Like I said, nothing new here!

what i meant by that is a shake before bed is whey could take 2-4 hours to digest or caesin at up to 8 hours....humapro may only last 1-2 hours or so, not really sure....if your looking for protein content only then it's not a big deal, if your looking to feed your body a little while you sleep, it could matter

[retwa]

I don't understand shakes before bed at all...eat 10oz of chicken breast in olive oil or something so you've got protein with fat which will be digesting all through the night. A big shake before bed will have you waking up pissing 2-3 hours later anyway..

[xXJohnnyJuiceXx]

I agree with the above. Also, call me ignorant, but I've read most of what has been said on this thread, what makes HP different from any other essential amino acid product? Not seeing what's so special here.

[joe293]

From Mike Arnold in reference BCAA;

Because the other 2 aminos are basically worthless for stimulating protein synthesis. Leucine is the sole amino acid responsible for stimualting protein synthesis. In reality, BCAA products should be done away with and Leucine alone should take it's place. Studies have shown that 4.5 grams of Leucine maximally stimlates protein synthesis. The addition of Iso-leucine and Valine (the other 2 BCAAs)...when added to Leucine, do absolutey nothing to increase protein synthesis any further than what Leucine can do alone.

For maximum stimulation of protein synthesis, supplement with 4.5 grams of Leucine inbetween meals (as this causes an additional spike in protein synthesis, which would other wise not occur). You also want to add enough supplemental Leucine to each meal, so that your total Leucine intake (between whole food and supplemented form) equals 4.5 grams. Different protein sources contain varrying amounts of Leucine per gram, so this needs to be taken into consideration when determining how much additional Leucine should be added to each meal.

[joe293]

From Mike Arnold in reference BCAA;

Because the other 2 aminos are basically worthless for stimulating protein synthesis. Leucine is the sole amino acid responsible for stimualting protein synthesis. In reality, BCAA products should be done away with and Leucine alone should take it's place. Studies have shown that 4.5 grams of Leucine maximally stimlates protein synthesis. The addition of Iso-leucine and Valine (the other 2 BCAAs)...when added to Leucine, do absolutey nothing to increase protein synthesis any further than what Leucine can do alone.

For maximum stimulation of protein synthesis, supplement with 4.5 grams of Leucine inbetween meals (as this causes an additional spike in protein synthesis, which would other wise not occur). You also want to add enough supplemental Leucine to each meal, so that your total Leucine intake (between whole food and supplemented form) equals 4.5 grams. Different protein sources contain varrying amounts of Leucine per gram, so this needs to be taken into consideration when determining how much additional Leucine should be added to each meal.


Layne said basically the same thing I did....that Leucine is the ONLY amino acid responsible for stimulating protein synthesis. We need all the essential amino acids present in the bloodstream for muscle growth to occur, but there is a difference between having the aminos needed for growth available and stimulating protein synthesis. Leucine is directly anabolic, in that it activates the genes responsible for msucle growth. No other amino acid can do this, incluing the other 2 BCAAs.

If you have enough essential aminos present in the bloodstream for muscle growth to occur, there is no point in taking additional Iso-Leucine or Valine, as it will be of no further benefit, in regards to stimulating protein synthesis.

[joe293]

Layne said basically the same thing I did....that Leucine is the ONLY amino acid responsible for stimulating protein synthesis. We need all the essential amino acids present in the bloodstream for muscle growth to occur, but there is a difference between having the aminos needed for growth available and stimulating protein synthesis. Leucine is directly anabolic, in that it activates the genes responsible for msucle growth. No other amino acid can do this, incluing the other 2 BCAAs.

If you have enough essential aminos present in the bloodstream for muscle growth to occur, there is no point in taking additional Iso-Leucine or Valine, as it will be of no further benefit, in regards to stimulating protein synthesis.

Leucine is even more important when dieting. Maintaining muscle is a priority as bodyfat is lowered down into the lower single digits...and Leucine will help a BB'r accomplish that. Additionally, while Insulin can have a negative impact on fat-loss, the elevations in insulin which occur through Leucine supplementation are relatively small....nowhere near what one would experience when consuming a meal containing 50-100 grams of carbohydrates. Anyone can get shredded with carbs still present in there diet...many can get shredded with relatively large amounts of carbs in their diet. If a BB'r is able to achieve a contest level BF% while eating anywhere from 200-600 grams of carbs a day (or more), then the extra insulin secretion which occurs from Leucine supplememntation will be irrelevant.

Of far greater value is Leucine's ability to help stimulate protein synthesis even while calories are low. This off-sets the potential muscle loss which frequently occurs with low calorie diets. I always include Leucne in all my client's diets...both off-season and pre-contest. 1Fast400 sells 500 grams of Leucine for about $18...so there is no excuse for not being able to use it...and plenty of it.

[joe293]

More from Mike Arnold;

40 grams of whey alone contains about 4.5 grams of leucine, which is all it takes to maximally stimulate protein synthesis. However, even though studies have found that no more than 4.5 grams of Leucine are required to maximally stimulate protein synthesis, one needs to take into consideration how "quickly" this Leucine will enter the bloodstream. When this study was done, this 4.5 gram dose was dumped into the system all at once by using the free form version of Leucine. However, whey will take anywhere from a couple hours to about 40 minutes to fully digest and enter the bloodstream. Concentrates are the slowest to enter the system, taking a couple of hours to fully digest. Isolates are the 2nd fastest and hydrolysates being the fastest of all, take the top spot.

When using hydrolysates, it is very similar to taking free form aminos, in regards to how quickly the aminos contained within the hydrolysate enter the system. Therefore, using a hydrolysate is ideal for achieveing peak concentrations of Leucine. Just 40 grams of Whey hydrolysate will supply the body with a near immediate release of 4.5 grams of Leucine, which is exactly what the body requires in order for protein synthesis to be optimized. According to research, supplying the body with a peak concentration of Leucine beyond 4.5 grams is of no further benefit.

So how much Leucine should we add to our meals? When it comes to whey hydrolysates and using 40 grams as the base number (as 40 grams of whey contains roughly 4.5 grams of Leucine), it's likely that no more than 1 gram of additional Leucine (probably less...if any, due to whey hydrolysate's rapid absorption) would be needed to achieve a peak Leucine concentration of 4.5 grams. By supplementing with more Leucine than that, it is likely the user will simply be flushing their money down the tolilet.

When it comes to whey isolates, supplementing with addtional Leucine would be of value, as they are significantly slower digesting than hydrolysates. Still, I doubt one would need more than about 2 grams of supplemental Leucine, when added to 40 grams of whey isolate, in order to achive a peak concentration of 4.5 grams. With whey concentrates, since it takes a few hours for full amino acid liberation and delivery to occur, I would probably take about 3 grams of supplemental Leucine just to be on the safe side and ensure that a peak concentration of 4.5 grams occurs.

When it comes to casein, since it has less Leucine per gram compared to whey, you need to consume about 50 grams of casein protein in order to ingest 4.5 grams of Leucine, but total Leucine content is only one aspect of the bigger picture when it comes to achieving a maximal increase in protein synthesis. Since casein is much slower digesting than whey, in some cases taking a full 7 hours to fully digest, it would take a much larger amount of casein than 50 grams, in order to achieve a peak Leucine concentration of 4.5 grams. This makes casein an an unreasonable candidate for this purpose. Therefore, in situations where one is consuming casein as their primary protein source, I don't recommend increasing the qauntity in order to compensate for the deficiency, but rather, that the user simply adds additional Leucine to his casein. Regardless of how much casein a BB'r consumes, I recommend a full 4.5 grams of additional Leucine be taken along with his casein protein. Casein's relatively low Leucine content and it's inability to deliver that small amount in a timely fashion, makes it impractical for trying to achive a peak Leucine concentration of 4.5 grams.

It's the same situation with meat. Meat is lower in Leucine content than whey and it is also slow digesting...taking hours for all of its Leucine to be released into the system. Again, as with casein, I recommend a full 4.5 grams of Leucine be added to meat containing meals.


When looking at the bigger picture, I would supplement with 4.5 grams of Leucine at each whole food meal...and with between 1-3 grams of Leucine per 40 grams of Whey, depending on whether it is Concentrate, Isolate, or Hydrolysate. Lastly, supplementing with 4.5 grams of additional Leucine inbetween meals is also a very good idea, as it supplies the body with extra bouts of protein synthesis, which would otherwise not occur. Of course, this can add up to a lot of Leucine per day, but even if the athlete consumed a full 36 grams of Leucine per day (Five 4.5 grams servings with meals and three 4.5 grams servings inbetween meals), it would still only cost the user about $36 per month (1Fast400 sells 1000 grams for about $36) and in the process, it would dramatically accelerate protien synthesis far beyond what would normally occur with whole food protein. When we consider that most BB'rs will spend far more than $36 per month on protein powders and other supps, why not take just $36 of that total budget and buy the only supplement which is capable of maximally stimulating protein synthesis every time you take it? The benefits on muscle growth one would experience through consuming that much Leucine would far outweigh that of simply buying one more jug of protein powder or the latest bullshit supplement.

The bottom line is that Leucine is a very valuable supplement and one which every BB'rs should be using all the time. Leucine has now become one of our "basic" supplements and ranks high up on the priority list. When most BB'rs think of the typical standard must have supps, they think of things like Creatine, Beta alanine, Glutamine, Multi-vitamins, etc. In reality, a supplement like Glutamine pales in importance to a supplement like Leucine. When we consume plenty of protein, we take in plenty of Glutamine...and on top of that, our body can make Glutamine. It is not as important as we once thought, but Leucine is way more important than we used to think. Without a doubt, it deserves a top spot up there with the most effective and important supps we can take....and for such a cheap price, it should be a basic stock item for all BB'rs.

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[retwa]

When this study was done, this 4.5 gram dose was dumped into the system all at once by using the free form version of Leucine. However, whey will take anywhere from a couple hours to about 40 minutes to fully digest and enter the bloodstream.

Presumably, though, people in the study were not taking free form aminos on an empty stomach...so they wouldn't be absorbed instantaneously anyway. This is why I get at least 8oz. of meat per meal, or around 50g of protein...to make sure you have enough leucine to stimulate protein synthesis. The whey that I use contains over 6 grams per 50g of whey.

[Triple-H_2005]

Oh man...there is so much bullshit in this one small advertisement that I have no idea where to begin.
[/LEFT]

That mst be why I'm using Humapro for 5-6 meals daily and losing so much muscle... Oh wait, I'm GAINING muscle.

God bless The PowerOf The
Placebo!!!

[retwa]

That mst be why I'm using Humapro for 5-6 meals daily and losing so much muscle... Oh wait, I'm GAINING muscle.

God bless The PowerOf The
Placebo!!!

yes, I'm sure it has everything to do with humapro and nothing to do with whatever cycle you are running.

[TheABomb]

yes, I'm sure it has everything to do with humapro and nothing to do with whatever cycle you are running.

Lol yea, training, drugs, food, none of that stuff has anything to do with gains!

[ob205]

While I see Retwa making some valid points, I think this has degraded into a "religious" debate. People taking offense when you question their "faith" as opposed to arguing the FACTS.

People who state I added this and it makes all the difference, when they are consuming 100-200g of protein from other sources, negates the cause/effect relationship.

I understood there were going to be some case studies shown of individuals who used HP SOLELY as their protein source with all statistics taken before and after, i.e. bodyfat, LBM, weight, etc.

If someone has these, would love to see them. The only one I ever heard mentioning anything of the sort was Author doing it himself.

[The Big Sexy]

yes, I'm sure it has everything to do with humapro and nothing to do with whatever cycle you are running.

What if gains running the same cycle on whey and gains running the same cycle on Humapro were different?

[Triple-H_2005]

yes, I'm sure it has everything to do with humapro and nothing to do with whatever cycle you are running.

Dude.
Have you SEEN me?

I'm 6'2" & compete at barely over 225. I'll piss in a cup just whenever you want to foot the bill.

Ignorant response on your part. I'm disappointed, you're smarter than that.

[retwa]

What if gains running the same cycle on whey and gains running the same cycle on Humapro were different?

I think I already stated earlier in this thread that I could see humapro (or ANY bcaa/eaa supplement) giving good results when dieting, other factors being equal, since you would be reducing calories taken in by whey while, in theory, stimulating protein synthesis just about as much. I think it's probably pretty good for maintaining muscle mass while on a diet.

As far as actually helping one to GAIN while taking in excess calories, compared to using whey and keeping other factors the same, I don't see how that would work at all.

As I have said before...I'm not trying to dispute the fact that humapro is a decent supplement for what it is. Obviously people are getting good results from it, and in theory it could be effective. My problem lies with the absurd claims that ALRI makes in promoting the supplement, especially where they say that whey is a worthless protein source by comparison.



Dude.
Have you SEEN me?

I'm 6'2" & compete at barely over 225. I'll piss in a cup just whenever you want to foot the bill.

Ignorant response on your part. I'm disappointed, you're smarter than that.

Are you trying to say that you're a natty now and that you owe all of your gains to humapro? ;)

[Triple-H_2005]

I think I already stated earlier in this thread that I could see humapro (or ANY bcaa/eaa supplement) giving good results when dieting, other factors being equal, since you would be reducing calories taken in by whey while, in theory, stimulating protein synthesis just about as much. I think it's probably pretty good for maintaining muscle mass while on a diet.

As far as actually helping one to GAIN while taking in excess calories, compared to using whey and keeping other factors the same, I don't see how that would work at all.

As I have said before...I'm not trying to dispute the fact that humapro is a decent supplement for what it is. Obviously people are getting good results from it, and in theory it could be effective. My problem lies with the absurd claims that ALRI makes in promoting the supplement, especially where they say that whey is a worthless protein source by comparison.




Are you trying to say that you're a natty now and that you owe all of your gains to humapro? ;)

Nobody EVER said that whey is worthless; simply, that it is worth LESS. And to the vast majority that have tried & commented on HP, it is.

I'm saying that I'm clean & that HP is superior to whey, as evidenced by my progress since making the switch.

[Hydroshake]

Nobody EVER said that whey is worthless; simply, that it is worth LESS. And to the vast majority that have tried & commented on HP, it is.

I'm saying that I'm clean & that HP is superior to whey, as evidenced by my progress since making the switch.

just curious, how long have you been using it? seems very costly to be using 5-6 servings a day. are you consuming the same foods as you would on whey or do you use HP as your primary protein source?

[The Big Sexy]

I think I already stated earlier in this thread that I could see humapro (or ANY bcaa/eaa supplement) giving good results when dieting, other factors being equal, since you would be reducing calories taken in by whey while, in theory, stimulating protein synthesis just about as much. I think it's probably pretty good for maintaining muscle mass while on a diet.

As far as actually helping one to GAIN while taking in excess calories, compared to using whey and keeping other factors the same, I don't see how that would work at all.

As I have said before...I'm not trying to dispute the fact that humapro is a decent supplement for what it is. Obviously people are getting good results from it, and in theory it could be effective. My problem lies with the absurd claims that ALRI makes in promoting the supplement, especially where they say that whey is a worthless protein source by comparison.




My take on it has always been use what works well for you. I have used Humapro in my off-season and have made gains that I didn't make in previous seasons when I used whey. I will admit, that my training knowledge and further nutritional intake increases as time goes on... so what I knew last year isn't near what I know this year when it comes to training and nutrition. That being said - I haven't had Whey in a long time... bulking or dieting I use humapro instead of my whey shakes... it works for me. I don't know really how else to put it. There is all the science stuff behind why it is more effective than whey and that sounds awesome to me... but the bottom line is everyone has science stuff behind their products and the proof for me lays in the gains I've made and I would say that Humapro is a TOOL that has helped me, along with many other factors along the way.

I know people who love whey and have had just as many if not more gains than I have made in the same time. There are many variables to consider... for ME... Humapro just works better.

[iRock2]

They are totally wrong here. First of all, humapro is not a complete protein source like whey....I mean, this is obvious to anyone who cares to read the ingredients label. Compare the amino acid content to the AA profile found in a scoop of whey. Second, their "NNU" method for determining protein quality is flawed, dated, and not used by anyone but ALRI.

I agree that it's best to limit any type of supplemental protein to maybe 2-4 servings a day, including whey. The reason for this is that supplement companies (and ALRI especially) are known for producing products that aren't incredibly pure or high quality...many are contaminated with heavy metals, and you don't want to be relying on them excessively for this reason.

the way they measure for the net nitrogen utilization is flawed ?
how so?
i heard the author el ray speak about how they measure shit/piss lol

[retwa]

the way they measure for the net nitrogen utilization is flawed ?
how so?
i heard the author el ray speak about how they measure shit/piss lol

First of all, the measurement is "net protein utilization", not "net nitrogen utilization" - ALRI is the only company/place I've ever seen the latter phrase used.

The problem with NPU is that it does not take into account the digestibility of different proteins. The PDCAAS is the current accepted method for measuring protein quality, and the quality ratings include an adjustment for digestibility.

[Jake DeMichele]

Show me a high quality bag of protein that Costs $30 for 5lbs lol

http://www.albanystrength.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1574

It costs 32.99 in the store. Tastes great. High quality $33 5lbs.

And I like humapro, but it's too expensive to use 2 scoops 3 times a day.

[MiamiMadePunk]

http://www.albanystrength.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1574

It costs 32.99 in the store. Tastes great. High quality $33 5lbs.

And I like humapro, but it's too expensive to use 2 scoops 3 times a day.

LOL, if it's high quality, then how come it has maltodextrin in it?

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[Triple-H_2005]

just curious, how long have you been using it? seems very costly to be using 5-6 servings a day. are you consuming the same foods as you would on whey or do you use HP as your primary protein source?
Check my other posts in this thread for a detailed cost assessment vs whey. Using for two years as of next month. I use 4-5 times daily.

[I donno]

As far as my scientific background goes (which is reasonable) there are a few things which are necessary to think about to maximise growth when it comes to amino acid and protein intake.

Firstly, maximising protein synthesis, which for those of you who haven't read/listened to Layne Norton's stuff, involves eating whole food meals 4-5 hours apart with bolus BCAA in between. (As a side note for those of you discussing Leucine, Isoleucine and Valine. It is usually necessary that they're taken together as a precaution as high plasma levels of leucine tend to deplete plasma levels of isoleucine and valine, and you don't want to have depleted levels of any amino acids for optimal gains.) This bolus can also be replaced with a fast acting whey enriched with BCAAs or an EAA product.

Secondly, the total amount of protein that you ingest in a 24 hour period has been empirically observed to have a great impact on the amount of lean mass that can be gained. Scott Connelly says that he has seen a direct linear correlation between daily intake in grams and lean gains.

If you put this together (and this is purely my opinion): if you struggle to make the threshold 250-300g of protein a day - use a whey protein to boost you protein intake (and maximise protein synthesis), if you don't find it hard: use a BCAA product to maximise protein synthesis between meals, or if you prefer an EAA product (like humapro).

On a final note, there are fractions of milk proteins that have been shown to impact powerfully and directly with certain variables such as growth etc, and you'll only benefit these using an intact milk protein and not an ultra-filtered whey.

[adpolice]

Oh please leave liar Norton out of this,only thing he knows is how to pass tests...

[I donno]

Oh please leave liar Norton out of this,only thing he knows is how to pass tests...

lolwat? when you have a PhD in nutritional science specialising in protein metabolism i might take your post seriously..

[adpolice]

You don't have to...besides i'm never serious..lol

[Sandpig]

And I like humapro, but it's too expensive to use 2 scoops 3 times a day.

That would be a total of $3/day.

[Karuk]

Anyone still using Humapro?

[Triple-H_2005]

Every day.

[GDavis]

I use as my protein source for 3 of my 6 meals.

[Young Gotti]

Anyone still using Humapro?

yep i use it everyday.....4 pills and half scoop of the powder, i still haven't replaced whey with the humapro....i use the humapro to supplement with the whey

my intraworkout drink: half scoop humapro and half scoop recoverpro....it's ok, the recoverpro kind of covers the odd taste of the humapro pretty well

[PTB]

I use it around my workouts (twice per week), or when I'm traveling. The pills are very convenient.

[SideShowDoc]

Every day.i

bet your happy they came out with some new flavors !! Pineapple and peach mango are legit. I still think its just a great eaa supplement though.

[Triple-H_2005]

I use the pills, mostly. When I do use the powder, grape is still my favorite.

You've had a chance to use it, then?

[Young Gotti]

I use the pills, mostly. When I do use the powder, grape is still my favorite.

You've had a chance to use it, then?

i'm using the grape now...it's not too bad but nasty aftertaste

[Karuk]

I bought 2 apple, 1 grape, and 1 orange at the Olympia Expo. Orange isn't my favorite. I also bought Green Apple and Blue Raz Extend.

I have been mixing 1 scoop of humapro and 1 scoop of extend together in a 1.5 liter bottle. I drink one during my workout and 1 throughout the day.

I'm getting low and have considered purchasing more Humapro. Anyone have a solid source that offers decent pricing?

[Young Gotti]

I bought 2 apple, 1 grape, and 1 orange at the Olympia Expo. Orange isn't my favorite. I also bought Green Apple and Blue Raz Extend.

I have been mixing 1 scoop of humapro and 1 scoop of extend together in a 1.5 liter bottle. I drink one during my workout and 1 throughout the day.

I'm getting low and have considered purchasing more Humapro. Anyone have a solid source that offers decent pricing?

i believe lockoutsupplements is the best place for alri products, there used to be an rx discount code but i don't know if they are sponsers here anymore....if your looking for more than alri in an order then theres better places like dps which you'll end up saving more money on the other products

[Triple-H_2005]

I also bought Green Apple and Blue Raz Extend.

Do you mean Chain'd Out?


i believe lockoutsupplements is the best place for alri products, there used to be an rx discount code but i don't know if they are sponsers here anymore....if your looking for more than alri in an order then theres better places like dps which you'll end up saving more money on the other products

Agreed. I go to Lockout for everything that I don't buy on True Nutrition.

[SideShowDoc]

I use the pills, mostly. When I do use the powder, grape is still my favorite.

You've had a chance to use it, then?


I got a free 90 serving tub of pineapple mango grape and apple cider as well as two tubs of 90 pills free (and the ppletini bcaas as well)

pays to know people lol

[Minnphat]

Chained out and humapra now for three years I wont touch shakes... shit is poison for MY BODY.... does ALRI have any new products by the way?

[Sandpig]

As a former rep for ALR let me say that I still use HumaPro everyday.

I mostly use the tabs except before bed where I will mix two scoops of Pineapple with coconut milk.

As far as new ALR products, I haven't heard anything They are apparently going through the process of being bought out by Hi Tech Pharm. or merging with them.

Also for those living on the West coast All Star Health has prices as good as Lockout. Some of the products are even cheaper.

[PTB]

As a former rep for ALR let me say that I still use HumaPro everyday.

I mostly use the tabs except before bed where I will mix two scoops of Pineapple with coconut milk.

As far as new ALR products, I haven't heard anything They are apparently going through the process of being bought out by Hi Tech Pharm. or merging with them.

Also for those living on the West coast All Star Health has prices as good as Lockout. Some of the products are even cheaper.

^ Agreed, AllStarHealth is pretty competitive, and their flat 5.95 shipping can add addtional savings.

I didn't know ALR is being bought out. So who here still reps for ALR? You had quite a few guys here when they were a sponsor. They had their own forum for while. Even that's shut down

[Karuk]

Not Chain'd out. Scivation Extend. I tried a sample of Chain'd out and it was ok but not what I expected.

Discount code for lockout in march is easter2013 for 10% off.

[jtg987]

It's the only protein powder I can take and not have my stomach lose the plot(suffer from ulcerative colitis).

I haven't had a chance to try the new flavours yet but am looking forward to it. Up until this year I was going through a 90 serving tub a week. I was relying on it to replace good food and while making some pretty good gains I don't think a natty needs that much protein

[SideShowDoc]

I use the pills, mostly. When I do use the powder, grape is still my favorite.

You've had a chance to use it, then?

why do you use mainly pills? To avoid artificial flavored and sch?

[Sandpig]

Not Chain'd out. Scivation Extend. I tried a sample of Chain'd out and it was ok but not what I expected.

Discount code for lockout in march is easter2013 for 10% off.
What were you expecting to happen from one sample? I hope you are just talking about taste.

My favorites are Blue Raz and Banan/Berry.

[Sandpig]

I didn't know ALR is being bought out. So who here still reps for ALR? You had quite a few guys here when they were a sponsor. They had their own forum for while. Even that's shut down
There are no reps that post here on RX. When I quit our job was to just post on their two FB pages.

Last night I was told by a rep from another Co. that ALRI is no more. I will get confirmation on that.

[Triple-H_2005]

why do you use mainly pills? To avoid artificial flavored and sch?

It's easier...and, honestly, the times of day I use HP typically coincide with the times of day I'm feeling my laziest!

Nothing more complicated than that!

As for efficacy...HP is the protein in 3 of my 7-8 daily meals.

I'm 248, and doing zero cardio.
146658

[AsIlayDying]

I used HumaPro for a little over 3 months straight last year.
I use it during a "cut". I noticed no loss in muscle and was able to get into shape a lot easier that past diets. I can't say if it was the HumaPro or my change in eating habits, but I would definitely use HumaPro again

[Reciprocity]

ALR Industries makes some of the best products around....period. Of course, its now been bought out by Hi Tech Pharmacuticals so the fate of the current line is up in the air

[BuffGuy]

my take on humapro is .. it doesnt give me no gas or any stomach discomfort so I like it better than Whey

[Sandpig]

Last night I was told by a rep from another Co. that ALRI is no more. I will get confirmation on that.
Alr is still operating. Obviously under the Hi Tech umbrella though.

[GDavis]

Alr is still operating. Obviously under the Hi Tech umbrella though.

So No more Auther as CEO? Is he totally out of the picture at this point?

[Aaron Singerman]

^ Agreed, AllStarHealth is pretty competitive, and their flat 5.95 shipping can add addtional savings.

I didn't know ALR is being bought out. So who here still reps for ALR? You had quite a few guys here when they were a sponsor. They had their own forum for while. Even that's shut down

They aren't being bought out. They WERE bought out.

[The Big Sexy]

They aren't being bought out. They WERE bought out.


ALR Bought out by Hi-Tech....

Gossip Column? Or Gozzzzzip column?

[D_T]

Anyone mix Humapro in with protein shake?

[Triple-H_2005]

Since it's intended as a protein replacement, I'm not quite sure what purpose there would be in mixing.

[Sandpig]

Anyone mix Humapro in with protein shake?
I know of at least one rep that doesn't wait the recommended 15 - 20 minutes to ingest protein after consuming HP. So I guess it could be done.

[Sandpig]

They aren't being bought out. They WERE bought out.
I'm being told it had to happen cause the owed Hi Tech a lot of money. :dunno:

[Young Gotti]

Anyone mix Humapro in with protein shake?

i don't mix it with a protein shake but hardly if ever have taken humapro by itself

i always mix it with ntbm gear or intra workout i mix it with a 4:1:1 bcaa powder....but i also dont' take full servings of the humapro, 2 tabs here or a half a scoop there

i don't really think of it as a protein supplement as much as an anti catabolic...i've said in the past i'll never replace it with my protein powder....i use it more as a tool to supplement with my protein powder

[AsIlayDying]

I know of at least one rep that doesn't wait the recommended 15 - 20 minutes to ingest protein after consuming HP. So I guess it could be done.

What about HumaPro and carbs?

When I was using HumaPro I was also mixing it with carbs, either Karbolyn or chained reaction. Then about 30 minutes later I would eat a whole food meal consisting of protein only.
This protocol seem to work pretty well..

[Sandpig]

What about HumaPro and carbs?

When I was using HumaPro I was also mixing it with carbs, either Karbolyn or chained reaction. Then about 30 minutes later I would eat a whole food meal consisting of protein only.
This protocol seem to work pretty well..With carbs and or fats, without a doubt.

Right now, post workout is Humapro, Gatorade and Build by BPI. I use Gatorade cause it's cheap.

I'm so hungry by now cause I train first thing in the am, that I usually only wait anout 15 mins. to eat.

Sometimes I take that drink mix over to Denny's (same parking lot) and get the all you can eat pancakes and have them at the same time.

[Loctus]

"Human protein"?
"40g of HUMAPRO will be equivalent to 224g of whey protein Isolate(pharm grade)"?

Complete scam. What the hell does the above sentence even mean? It's garbage mumbo-jumbo. Taking in 40g of HUMAPRO per day would have the same effect as 224g of whey protein isolate? Anyone who believes that is either a lying scammer or an idiot.

[BatPlaza]

Ive recently been taking Humapro (powder), and i actually like it. Ive heard negative reviews about it but from people who had only read about it, or seen youtube videos. As for me i decided to personally give it a shot and i have no complaints.

[flipmonk]

"Human protein"?
"40g of HUMAPRO will be equivalent to 224g of whey protein Isolate(pharm grade)"?

Complete scam. What the hell does the above sentence even mean? It's garbage mumbo-jumbo. Taking in 40g of HUMAPRO per day would have the same effect as 224g of whey protein isolate? Anyone who believes that is either a lying scammer or an idiot.


you don't know what it means and therefor it's a complete scam? good one...

[Todd Lincoln]

I can appreciate all opinions in this thread. On paper the claims look ridiculous but all users of the product have reported great results. Makes me wonder if the old 2g of pro per lb. of lean mass blanket recommendation by many in the industry is more to blame than anything else.

[Sandpig]

The reason Authur makes the claims he does is because he really believes that most of the whey that you take in is wasted/ not utilized.

Do I believe all his claims, no.

But I do believe in the stuff.

[Triple-H_2005]

Sandpig put it perfectly... Author is right about a lot, and full of poop about some stuff. The trick is to have a pretty good filter!

That said, although I'm not using it on my present program, I had nothing but great results with HP.

[Young Gotti]

I've never used humapro exclusively.....i do use it in conjunction with whey

I really like taking the pills with NTBM Gear

I might have said this before but....Humapro and a BCAA product intraworkout has worked pretty well for me

[Minnphat]

TripleH any reason why you stopped the humapro?

[tommbstone]

I do not get stomach bloat or other problems form syntha 6 or other quality proteins. Can not say the same for Dyamatize Yuck

Humapro was nothing special to me and the chained out (bcaa) sour apple tasted bad and left me with cotton mouth when I trained. Will never buy again.


not tried Daves line due to price.

[ob205]

I don't know how anyone can validate their use of HP, unless it was their primary source of protein. All I ever saw was people using broscience and saying this shit works awesome, all the while taking in 300g of PRO from other sources. The only source I knew of that said ONLY HP was Author and his claims would be questionable at best.

If I take bee pollen in addition to a great pre-contest diet, is bee pollen therefore the reason for my reduced bodyfat?

[Triple-H_2005]

TripleH any reason why you stopped the humapro?
Go to John's website and look at what he charges for competition training...if he tells me to eat dirt and wash it down with a bucket of sand, that's what I'm going to do!


I don't know how anyone can validate their use of HP, unless it was their primary source of protein. All I ever saw was people using broscience and saying this shit works awesome, all the while taking in 300g of PRO from other sources. The only source I knew of that said ONLY HP was Author and his claims would be questionable at best.

If I take bee pollen in addition to a great pre-contest diet, is bee pollen therefore the reason for my reduced bodyfat?

Then you've never seen any of my posts on the topic. I have gone for WEEKS at a time (three weeks was the longest) with Humapro as my primary (all but maybe one meal a day) protein source. I didn't lose any muscle, didn't gain any fat and all of these instances were during work travel, training when I could, where I could and the only real meals provided were fattening crap. I basically traveled with HP caps and powder, almonds, natty PB, oatmeal and some fish oil caps.

Maybe that's broscience, but I know what I ate and the results garnered.

[flipmonk]

Go to John's website and look at what he charges for competition training...if he tells me to eat dirt and wash it down with a bucket of sand, that's what I'm going to do!


:D the true secret of JM's Mountain Dog Training :D :D

[tommbstone]

Off topic but is John Meadow all he's cracked up to be? Looking for a new coach. My local coach don't feed me enough during contest prep and I was hypo so much i though I was shooting slin.

[Triple-H_2005]

Off topic but is John Meadow all he's cracked up to be? Looking for a new coach. My local coach don't feed me enough during contest prep and I was hypo so much i though I was shooting slin.

So far...yes!

I've been working with him for 7 weeks now & have made big changes. Definitely bigger& leaner than at this point in my last prep.

He's super responsive...I think the longest I ever waited for a reply (not counting the Sunday after he competed) has been about 10 - 15 minutes.

[The Big Sexy]

I prefer foods and a solid, good whey isolate for times I can't eat food.

Humapro was good while I used it... but I think I've moved on past it.

[ob205]

TBS, respect the honesty.

HHH2005, does John Meadows endorse or think HP is sound?

[Karuk]

I'm off humapro as well. Price is too high and I can get 1000g of EAA's from Trueprotein for $44. I add 10g to a scoop of Xtend and sip it while I train.

[Triple-H_2005]

TBS, respect the honesty.

HHH2005, does John Meadows endorse or think HP is sound?

I've never discussed it with him, but I'll ask.

[JG1]

Humapro was good while I used it... but I think I've moved on past it.

That says a lot.

[D_T]

That says a lot.

It says he now works for a company that sells whey protein. (nothing against TBS)

[tommbstone]

So far...yes!

I've been working with him for 7 weeks now & have made big changes. Definitely bigger& leaner than at this point in my last prep.

He's super responsive...I think the longest I ever waited for a reply (not counting the Sunday after he competed) has been about 10 - 15 minutes.

Thx Tiple-H I may look into him for next year then. My current coach is a local guy and he's on my shit list. :)

[Bisler]

I actually take HP as an intraworkout! It works great! wouldn't change to whey or an other product. And i'm in contest prep too

[Young Gotti]

I actually take HP as an intraworkout! It works great! wouldn't change to whey or an other product. And i'm in contest prep too

HP is good intraworkout.....so you don't do whey at other times of the day?

[TheForce]

This is how much I believe in ALRI supplements1157052

[Bisler]

HP is good intraworkout.....so you don't do whey at other times of the day?

No, i only use HP for intraworkout. The rest is nutrition, no shakes, no tabs, only food. During offseason i drink a lot more whey shakes and other stuff, not so in prep.