share your experiences

[tammyp]

share your use, results, sides etc...here

[RealLilSwole]

winnie RUINED my voice. LOL! I was very ignorant and started taking winnie inject and winnie tabs. I was listening to a man who didn't know anything about women drug usage. Anyway. I was taking 12.5 of inject every other day and a tab on the other days. The tabs were SUPPOSED to be 5 mg........well after the damage was done.....I found out they were 50 mg. I woke up one day with a hoarse voice.....and the next, I was sounding VERY manly. HAHA! I am over it now. I look forward to going to the Arnold every year....just so I can be around more women who sound like me.

[tammyp]

private poster...remains nameless......


1ST CYCLE EVER: ANAVAR. ADDED GOOD QUALITY MASS.STARTED AT 10MG THEN TO 20MG. USED TO BULK THEN CUT. ADDED NOLVADEX AND PROVIRON AT 6 WEEKS OUT. OILY SKIN, BIGGER CLIT.

1ST BULKER: DECA. HATED THIS ..LOTS OF BLOAT VOICE DROPPED

BULKER: DBOL AND PRIMO. LOVED THIS ..MIN BLOAT, KILLER GAINS, STRONG , D BOL 10 MG DAILY, PRIMO 100MG /WK

PREP DRUGS:
PRIMO. LOVE THIS. BASIC STAPLE IN PREP. NO SIDES, OILY SKIN BIGGER CLIT

TEST PROP: OK. NO BAD REACTIONS BUT FELT IT KEPT ME FROM BEING AS HARD AS I COULDVE BEEN. HURTS TO SHOOT. BIG TIME. MIXED W/ PRIMO AND IT WASNT AS BAD

MASTERON: LOVE THIS. SAME RESULTS AS PRIMO. HARDNESS, FULL MUSCLES

ANAVAR: UP TO 20MG DAILY. MY FAVORITE DRUG. I COULD BE ON
THIS FOR LIFE!

WINNY: INJECTABLE. HURTS TO SHOOT. LIKE THIS ALOT

MY OVERALL OBSERVATIONS:

I NOTICED MY FEET AND HANDS ARE A BIT BIGGER THAN BEFORE I USED. COULD BE HGH? NOT SURE. VOICE HAS STAYED LOW. LEG HAIR DARKER AND GET A FEW CHIN HAIRS THAT NEED TO BE PULLED. OTHER THAN THAT...NO BAD EXPERIENCES TO SPEAK OF.

[AndroGrrL]

winnie RUINED my voice. LOL! I was very ignorant and started taking winnie inject and winnie tabs. I was listening to a man who didn't know anything about women drug usage. Anyway. I was taking 12.5 of inject every other day and a tab on the other days. The tabs were SUPPOSED to be 5 mg........well after the damage was done.....I found out they were 50 mg. I woke up one day with a hoarse voice.....and the next, I was sounding VERY manly. HAHA! I am over it now. I look forward to going to the Arnold every year....just so I can be around more women who sound like me.

lol omg! slightly hilarious because I'm the same way. Winny killed me...but I'm okay with it. It's not terrible...but...the change took place during march, so I just thought I was losing my voice from the weather changing...nope, my voice cracked for a solid 3 weeks...which sadly I thought was a little cute...too bad it stopped cracking and now is just...off. It only cracks when I get really excited...embarassing! :(

[RealLilSwole]

HAHA! I love it AndroGirl! Mine cracks sometimes too. And FORGET about trying to sing. Its AWFUL!

[GirlyMuscle]

ok...note to self......not even interested in winny.

The voice thing is really the only thing that scares me. Anything else it tolerable to a certain extent.

[RealLilSwole]

I also used Test E last summer and got some darker man hair on the back of my hammies. LOL! Nothing a little razor can't take care of. Otherwise....knock on wood...I have been ok considering side effects. I do get the occasional hair that I have to pluck on my chin. And I got to wax my upper lip but its blonde. It just grows quicker now. I did see a girl compete a few weeks ago that had a five o'clock shadow by the night show. I felt so bad for her. In my opinion, alot of girls like her have done a lot of drugs to get the look that judges have been rewarding for YEARS, and now all of a sudden, those girls aren't placing as high. So, what is she to do now, cause the damage has already been done and there isn't much she can do to change it.

[AndroGrrL]

HAHA! I love it AndroGirl! Mine cracks sometimes too. And FORGET about trying to sing. Its AWFUL!

lol omg...my friends are assholes...they had me as the "singer" for Rock Band just to be mean and make fun of me :mad:

And last summer I was at a Kanye concert...my best friend starting saying "hey why don't you yell? why don't you go WHOOOOO" in a high pitched voice...and I just looked at her...she laughed...and then in a super deep voice went "oh right...WHOOOO" (like a man)...not gonna lie, peed my pants a little...dang I need new friends!

[AndroGrrL]

Oh right, I've used Var...it was okay, nothing too great.

Primo=amazing if you know it's for sure legit
Winny=see voice comments, but I still LOVE it (and my liver function was 100% thank you!)
Nolvadex=helped get rid of water in the legs...I'd keep it for prepping
Prop=held water...but otherwise, nothing crazy!

[GirlyMuscle]

Andro you need to call me. I wanna hear your voice.

[Suzanne]

what's funny is a lot of the sides are things i have ALWAYS had
upper lip hair
some chin hair
maybe cuz italian???

acne on jawline (pms week)

[SallyAnne]

ok...note to self......not even interested in winny.

The voice thing is really the only thing that scares me. Anything else it tolerable to a certain extent.

Winny fucks with everyone's voice for a period of time. With the exception of heavy usage, your voice WILL return to normal once you go off. You have to be smart about it though. I took winny during prep in 07 and I was froggy toward the end - constantly having to clear my throat. My voice cam back to normal in a short period of time, though.

Just FYI - all AAS can have an effect on your voice. Winny just seems to be a little more pronounced.

[RealLilSwole]

Mine never went back to normal. And I was off for about two years.

[GirlyMuscle]

what's funny is a lot of the sides are things i have ALWAYS had
upper lip hair
some chin hair
maybe cuz italian???

acne on jawline (pms week)
I now what ya mean!!!

This was in January. I've been waxing my lip and chin since I'm 16 yrs old. Watch...good story at one minute in....

DxNKbS24v2c

[Lee Penman]

Okay, we have all heard the Primo, Anavar and Winstrol story. However, what other compounds are women using or have tried. Good results or bad results/sides. We want to know. For starters EQ...NNP. And dosages....let's talk!

[AndroGrrL]

Andro you need to call me. I wanna hear your voice.

lol that just sounded funny...like we're LOVAHHHH's ;)

haha okay, I'll try to make time tomorrow...I still have your #! It's not as cool as one would think...

and yeah, I was off for 2 years...def never went back...

[AndroGrrL]

I've used Prop....but never have lasted on it for more than 4 weeks...so I'm not sure that my experience is that accurate.

I ran 15-20 EOD...no break outs...slight water retention but nothing that I thought was too terrible. Strength went up a little...but to be honest, if I ever ran it again, I'd try a little more. I just didn't see anything too great (or bad) happen on the dosage that I took...but then again, the short time span may have been the issue.

[sassy69]

I think something like Prop is going to take longer just to 'establish itself' for the sort of results you're expecting. Similarly primo can take 5 weeks to get going and eq on the order of 6-8 weeks. I'm not sure how you arrive at those 'start up periods', but anecodotally that's what you're looking at.

Another part of the discussion might also be WHY you choose this or that compound and where in your cycle you put it. E.g. the longer esters you're probably going to put in a bulker cycle whereas the fast-acting stuff like winny & var, possibly tren, you'd be looking at for cutting for a show as well as for their non-converting status. On a bulker, you'd probably be less likely to be concerned about water retention, or for competition, you'd be looking to drop your injectibles, or basically anything that makes you retain water, at least 10 days before show day so the water retention can clear.

[tammyp]

i think the ONLY thing that doesnt effect voice is var. really....

[~gymdiva~]

I thought I had seen an opinion somewhere but now I can't find it...thoughts and opinions on proviron? more for prep? could be used with something like winny/var/primo as a bulking agent? "useless" for females for the most part?

[sassy69]

I thought I had seen an opinion somewhere but now I can't find it...thoughts and opinions on proviron? more for prep? could be used with something like winny/var/primo as a bulking agent? "useless" for females for the most part?

Why would you use it for a bulking cycle? Its primarily an androgen and not an anabolic. Guys use it to kickstart their natural test.

[~gymdiva~]

well that was my thought...just aiding in boosting natural test...haven't really studied it which was why I asked...

[Carolyn Bryant]

Winny fucks with everyone's voice for a period of time. With the exception of heavy usage, your voice WILL return to normal once you go off. You have to be smart about it though. I took winny during prep in 07 and I was froggy toward the end - constantly having to clear my throat. My voice cam back to normal in a short period of time, though.

Just FYI - all AAS can have an effect on your voice. Winny just seems to be a little more pronounced.

You should stop giving out bad info. Once the vocal cords are eroded that damage is permanent. The severity of the erosion varies.

More FYI...
Dr. Redmond and others believe that excess androgens are a far more pressing health problem than their diminution. By far, the bulk of the new research is focused on disorders that arise when a woman's body generates too much testosterone, resulting in everything from cosmetic problems like acne, balding and the growth of facial hair so abundant that the woman must shave twice a day to more severe complications like infertility, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and cancer of the uterus. Even some cases of breast cancer, a disease normally associated with too much estrogen, may in fact be the result of excess testosterone, several experts said, although the data on this remain sketchy.
Researchers said the incidence of androgen disorders in women has been grossly underestimated, and that as many as 15 to 30 percent of all women may have problems caused by the overproduction of testosterone, an excessive sensitivity to the influence of circulating androgens, or both. They suggest that doctors should be on the lookout for women -- and even young girls -- who may be suffering from excess androgen secretion, so that the patients can be treated early enough to prevent the onset of serious and possibly fatal complications of a lifetime of androgen overdosing.

[SallyAnne]

You should stop giving out bad info. Once the vocal cords are eroded that damage is permanent. The severity of the erosion varies.

More FYI...
Dr. Redmond and others believe that excess androgens are a far more pressing health problem than their diminution. By far, the bulk of the new research is focused on disorders that arise when a woman's body generates too much testosterone, resulting in everything from cosmetic problems like acne, balding and the growth of facial hair so abundant that the woman must shave twice a day to more severe complications like infertility, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and cancer of the uterus. Even some cases of breast cancer, a disease normally associated with too much estrogen, may in fact be the result of excess testosterone, several experts said, although the data on this remain sketchy.
Researchers said the incidence of androgen disorders in women has been grossly underestimated, and that as many as 15 to 30 percent of all women may have problems caused by the overproduction of testosterone, an excessive sensitivity to the influence of circulating androgens, or both. They suggest that doctors should be on the lookout for women -- and even young girls -- who may be suffering from excess androgen secretion, so that the patients can be treated early enough to prevent the onset of serious and possibly fatal complications of a lifetime of androgen overdosing.

I believe the thread reads "personal experience". :ok:

Let me break it down for you. I took very small amounts of winny that made me froggy for a short period of time, and within a few weeks of stopping, the frogginess went away. I didn't take a lot and I didn't take it for a long time. That's right! Back to normal. If you don't have a personal experience to share, this is not the thread for you.

[sassy69]

well that was my thought...just aiding in boosting natural test...haven't really studied it which was why I asked...

Would boosting natural test matter that much if you're on a cycle where you are introducing exogenous amounts orders of magnitude larger than your own natural levels?

For what it does, the recommended place for proviron in a cycle is at the final cutting stage, and according to Anabolics 200x, for no more than 8 weeks.

[sassy69]

You should stop giving out bad info. Once the vocal cords are eroded that damage is permanent. The severity of the erosion varies.


At what point is "erosion" considered "eroded" vs not sure how you'd describe... "affected"? I'm curious, for ex, if a singer who can hit good quality high notes, does one non-aggressive round of primo and never again. Are the vocal chords eroded? I.e. would this person show impaired ability to hit good quality high notes forever more? This is what you hear about 1-time winny cycles -- the voice is affected, even if the more blatant frogginess, etc. goes back to "normal" when the DHT presence clears. It is possible that the measureable degrees of 'erosion' are only more apparent, even after small amounts, in the extreme use of voice, such as hitting good quality high notes?

[AndroGrrL]

I believe the thread reads "personal experience". :ok:

Let me break it down for you. I took very small amounts of winny that made me froggy for a short period of time, and within a few weeks of stopping, the frogginess went away. I didn't take a lot and I didn't take it for a long time. That's right! Back to normal. If you don't have a personal experience to share, this is not the thread for you.

I have read before that winny (and other aas) can temporarily thicken your vocal chords which changes the pitch...but it can eventually go back to normal.

Not that mine is normal, but my mom told me my voice sounded like it was less...'rough' then it was when I was actually on.

Shit, I've even read about a surgery to fix your vocal chords and change the pitch of your voice. Eh, I'm fine with what I have :)

[partsRheavy]

There is some natural deepening of the voice that happens as most women age. I notice that the time that happens is really variable with different people but seems to usually happen in women's 40s or 50s, and is dependent on habits like smoking.

Having little talent in music (bombed out of choir as a kid), I have only amateur observations, but here goes...

I notice that female rock DJ's often have deep voices. Usually if there's a female DJ on an album-oriented station, she has a deep voice. (Whereas Top40 or Adult Contemporary the voice is more high-pitched).

I've heard deep voiced female DJ's on several album-oriented rock stations both in the Southeast and in California years ago. I usually just attribute that to either voice training for a "sexy" voice or to too much smoking, drinking and partying. But who knows, maybe these rock dj's are juicing to get that Rock'n'Roll sound?!?

Another gal in radio who has a _slightly_ deep voice is digital diva Kim Komando. News anchor Connie Chung's voice is medium-deep.

By contrast, Dr. Laura and women in commercials usually have high-pitched voices.

I definitely believe that voice quality is a major issue for any younger woman, and for women who sing or communicate on the job and with the public a lot. It's sort of tied in with image and the type of job or social role someone has. In other words, the preacher's wife might be very concerned about maintaining a modulated soprano voice, whereas a warehouse worker might be a little more casual in her attitude toward her voice.

Obviously any woman even contemplating steroids needs to think about how she uses her voice and what she would think if it were deeper than the usual.

[Lee Penman]

I have read before that winny (and other aas) can temporarily thicken your vocal chords which changes the pitch...but it can eventually go back to normal.

Not that mine is normal, but my mom told me my voice sounded like it was less...'rough' then it was when I was actually on.

Shit, I've even read about a surgery to fix your vocal chords and change the pitch of your voice. Eh, I'm fine with what I have :)
I have heard of some top pros from years past having their vocal chords 'shaved' to restore normal pitch. Plus Proviron produces too much DHT for women in my opinion. What this means is hair loss and acne.
As to vocal chords returning to normal... I think this is a rare occurance.

[ms.karen]

I thought I had seen an opinion somewhere but now I can't find it...thoughts and opinions on proviron? more for prep? could be used with something like winny/var/primo as a bulking agent? "useless" for females for the most part?

Not sure what to think about Proviron. At 12.5 mg ED it produced some really good looking hard muscle within just a few days...literally! But it also added about a half pound per day. When that half pound/day turned into 7 lbs, it was a bit too much mentally so the cycle was stopped. The hard muscle gains lasted about 5 days after the cycle stopped...very disappointing. :(

[GirlyMuscle]

There is some natural deepening of the voice that happens as most women age. I notice that the time that happens is really variable with different people but seems to usually happen in women's 40s or 50s, and is dependent on habits like smoking.

Having little talent in music (bombed out of choir as a kid), I have only amateur observations, but here goes...

I notice that female rock DJ's often have deep voices. Usually if there's a female DJ on an album-oriented station, she has a deep voice. (Whereas Top40 or Adult Contemporary the voice is more high-pitched).

I've heard deep voiced female DJ's on several album-oriented rock stations both in the Southeast and in California years ago. I usually just attribute that to either voice training for a "sexy" voice or to too much smoking, drinking and partying. But who knows, maybe these rock dj's are juicing to get that Rock'n'Roll sound?!?

Another gal in radio who has a _slightly_ deep voice is digital diva Kim Komando. News anchor Connie Chung's voice is medium-deep.

By contrast, Dr. Laura and women in commercials usually have high-pitched voices.

I definitely believe that voice quality is a major issue for any younger woman, and for women who sing or communicate on the job and with the public a lot. It's sort of tied in with image and the type of job or social role someone has. In other words, the preacher's wife might be very concerned about maintaining a modulated soprano voice, whereas a warehouse worker might be a little more casual in her attitude toward her voice.

Obviously any woman even contemplating steroids needs to think about how she uses her voice and what she would think if it were deeper than the usual.
You have a very good point about voices and aging. You can usually tell if a woman is in a certain age group just by her voice.

[Carolyn Bryant]

At what point is "erosion" considered "eroded" vs not sure how you'd describe... "affected"? I'm curious, for ex, if a singer who can hit good quality high notes, does one non-aggressive round of primo and never again. Are the vocal chords eroded? I.e. would this person show impaired ability to hit good quality high notes forever more? This is what you hear about 1-time winny cycles -- the voice is affected, even if the more blatant frogginess, etc. goes back to "normal" when the DHT presence clears. It is possible that the measureable degrees of 'erosion' are only more apparent, even after small amounts, in the extreme use of voice, such as hitting good quality high notes?

Well, I am an ex-singer and I can't hold a note now. It is the saddest thing ever. I have no volume so screaming is out of the question. I cannot pinpoint what caused it because GERD will do it. Danazol will do it. Smoking crack and marijuana will do it. (Whitney Houston) I was reporting what the doctor said to me and all reports about even moderate damage to the vocal cords cannot be repaired.

[Skeptic]

Well I've listened to a lot of interviews with FBBs over the last 3 months and one of the first things I immediately noticed was the voices being pitched lower than I'm used to. Could be that BBing attracts women with lower voices.

[GirlyMuscle]

You've heard mine on the waxing video. That's my natural real voice. Imagine how deep it would be if I did something that would alter it.

[Jello]

Just curious, the one side effect that I have wondered about is the enlarged clit. Do you ladies find that you get off easier now than you did before. I'm not trying to give girls that haven't jumped into this a reason to, but I'm wondering if this is a good side effect or not.

Sorry for butting into you thread ladies, but it seemed like it kind of fit into your discussion of sides.

[GirlyMuscle]

Just curious, the one side effect that I have wondered about is the enlarged clit. Do you ladies find that you get off easier now than you did before. I'm not trying to give girls that haven't jumped into this a reason to, but I'm wondering if this is a good side effect or not.

Sorry for butting into you thread ladies, but it seemed like it kind of fit into your discussion of sides.
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=7224

Thank you for staying respectful. :cool:

[Jello]

http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=7224

Well that about summed it up didn't it:D

I figured it would come up eventually but I missed that thread.


Thank you for staying respectful. :cool:

I have no problems with people, men or women, trying to better themselves in their own mirror. Whatever that may take to achieve is no different than someone going to the doctor to get the look they want, it's just another avenue.

[Tatyana]

You should stop giving out bad info. Once the vocal cords are eroded that damage is permanent. The severity of the erosion varies.

More FYI...
Dr. Redmond and others believe that excess androgens are a far more pressing health problem than their diminution. By far, the bulk of the new research is focused on disorders that arise when a woman's body generates too much testosterone, resulting in everything from cosmetic problems like acne, balding and the growth of facial hair so abundant that the woman must shave twice a day to more severe complications like infertility, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and cancer of the uterus. Even some cases of breast cancer, a disease normally associated with too much estrogen, may in fact be the result of excess testosterone, several experts said, although the data on this remain sketchy.
Researchers said the incidence of androgen disorders in women has been grossly underestimated, and that as many as 15 to 30 percent of all women may have problems caused by the overproduction of testosterone, an excessive sensitivity to the influence of circulating androgens, or both. They suggest that doctors should be on the lookout for women -- and even young girls -- who may be suffering from excess androgen secretion, so that the patients can be treated early enough to prevent the onset of serious and possibly fatal complications of a lifetime of androgen overdosing.


This is about polycystic ovaries or (adult onset) congenital adrenal hyperplasia, not women who use cycles of steroids.

Some of it may be applicable, but it isn't about anabolic steroid use.

Also, please include a link to your information, it is helpful for those who would like to read more.

[GirlyMuscle]

anonymous....


I did anavar a couple of times in the last year. First cycle was while dieting. Used 10 mg. Second, was because I liked the effects and how I felt the first time so I wanted to try it while I wasn't dieting. Third time, same as the second but I increased the dose to see what would happen (10mg 2xED). While on anvar....Muscle got harder. The second and third time I think I may have actually put on some decent (for a woman) size. I can see a difference in the mirror but did not have bodyfat or lean body mass figured out. Sides were minimal. Increased libido, clitoral sensitivity and clitoral swelling...every time I was on. As soon as I went off all sides disappeared. Back on, they came back. I did like the increased dose and would run that again. I loved the way I felt on anavar.

This year decided to try primobolan enanthate. Had to learn to inject. Wasn't hard after the first time. I decided to run 50mg to see what would happen. I also had a bodyfat/lean mass test done beforehand so I'd better be able to measure the results. I'm currently in week 8 of a 12 week bulk cycle. Strength is up, look good in the mirror. Sides include increased body and facial hair, increased libido but not any more than with anavar, increased oiliness to my skin with minor breakouts over my shoulders. Also, I have dandruff now from an oily scalp. I changed shampoos and wash my hair every day and it's under control. I did shed a lot the first 4 weeks but thats seems to have tapered off. I'll let you know the results when the cycle is finished.

[tammyp]

what was this lisa?