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gman
02-13-2009, 05:57 PM
I am the guy who has the unconventional treatment of

30mg a day of high absorbency test gel
200 mg a day of pregnenolone
25 mg a day of DHEA
1 grain of Armour

my latest labs

total test: 502 (241-827)
DHT:68 (30-85)
Estradiol:49 (0-53)
TSH: 1.78 (.45-4.50) 1.0-2.0 is optimum from what I hear


I have contacted another provider and they proposed this protocol:

Testosterone Cypionate 200mg/ml.: Take 1ml. per week (same day of every week) *might increase slightly if necessary.
Anastrozole 0.5mg caps: Take 1 caps every other day (get your estrogen levels in correct range).
HCG 11,000 units: Take 500units 2x per week on days 5 & 6 of therapy.
Armour Thyroid 1/2gm: Take 1 per day for a 8 week period

This is a more typical regimen, is it not?

I am wondering why the armour is cut in half, and only for 8 weeks?

Also, the HCG seems a bit excessive to me, but I don't know much about it. Is HCG something that you occasionally take a break from?

I was hoping for some of the smarter guys on here to tell me how this treatment sounds.

I am scared to give myself 3 shots a week, should I be?

PS

My current doc is a little different than most. When I asked him about lowering my estradiol and DHT a little, he said that he would prefer to let my body keep sorting things out. He said my body is starting to do a pretty good job of it, and we should give it time to rebalance on its own.(I was at 300 for a long time, and finally things kicked in)

He said he doesn't know the long term effects of HCG, so he does not prescribe that currently.

Almost everyone else I hear about is doing a protocol very similar to the one I posted as the proposal, and thinks my doc is nuts. I just am trying to figure out why he is so different...he is an AA4M certified doctor.

gman
02-13-2009, 05:58 PM
my other option is to stay on what I am doing, and add testostolyze!

esplendido
02-13-2009, 08:12 PM
The second protocol looks better. The anastrozole (arimidex) will mitigate any DHT/Estrogen issues, although at that low test (200mg/week) I don't see where it's necessary. 1/2mg/day for arimidex is typical.

The HCG will help prevent your testes from shutting down. That way you get the continued benefit of the extra 200mg test/wk. You inject the HCG with an insulin pin just under the skin.....not intramuscular, so you really only have 1 major shot per week....and you can rotate glutes for that.

NaPent
02-13-2009, 09:49 PM
WHY are you on Armour. Are you hypothyroid? DOSE armour by how your feel. TSH level is only for diagnosis of hypo. Your level can be single digit if you feel ok. Took
me and my doctor 2 years to realize you do not dose by TSH and MD are beginning to follow this in dosing. I am up to 5 grains and feel better than I have in 3 years. Also it takes Armour thyroid about 6 weeks to kick in. Hope this helps. It sure would have saved
me three years.

gman
02-14-2009, 07:25 AM
WHY are you on Armour. Are you hypothyroid? DOSE armour by how your feel. TSH level is only for diagnosis of hypo. Your level can be single digit if you feel ok. Took
me and my doctor 2 years to realize you do not dose by TSH and MD are beginning to follow this in dosing. I am up to 5 grains and feel better than I have in 3 years. Also it takes Armour thyroid about 6 weeks to kick in. Hope this helps. It sure would have saved
me three years.

I am feeling great on 1 grain, but I do understand what youre saying.

gman
02-14-2009, 07:27 AM
The second protocol looks better. The anastrozole (arimidex) will mitigate any DHT/Estrogen issues, although at that low test (200mg/week) I don't see where it's necessary. 1/2mg/day for arimidex is typical.

The HCG will help prevent your testes from shutting down. That way you get the continued benefit of the extra 200mg test/wk. You inject the HCG with an insulin pin just under the skin.....not intramuscular, so you really only have 1 major shot per week....and you can rotate glutes for that.

I just found out how much the charge will be. It's a lot more expensive than what I am doing now. I definitely can't afford the price.

esplendido
02-14-2009, 09:40 AM
I just found out how much the charge will be. It's a lot more expensive than what I am doing now. I definitely can't afford the price.
PM me.....

MartyMcFly
02-17-2009, 04:26 PM
so 200mg/week of Test Cyp is too low to even feel the side effects? I have noticed testicular shrinkage on that much. I want to ask my Dr for HCG and arimidex.

esplendido
02-17-2009, 04:33 PM
so 200mg/week of Test Cyp is too low to even feel the side effects? I have noticed testicular shrinkage on that much. I want to ask my Dr for HCG and arimidex.
Actually HCG along with the 200mg/wk test protocol is not a bad idea, but I still think the test dosage is too low for sides requiring arimidex, which is quite expensive from legit clinics.

MartyMcFly
02-17-2009, 04:40 PM
Actually HCG along with the 200mg/wk test protocol is not a bad idea, but I still think the test dosage is too low for sides requiring arimidex, which is quite expensive from legit clinics.

How many IUs of HCG do you think will get the job done? How much is arimidex?

gman
02-17-2009, 04:42 PM
$90 for 30 .5mg capsules, a 10 week supply supposedly(3 per week)

MartyMcFly
02-17-2009, 04:46 PM
$90 for 30 .5mg capsules, a 10 week supply supposedly(3 per week)

is this black market or prescribed? does it matter?

gman
02-17-2009, 04:46 PM
prescribed

esplendido
02-17-2009, 05:21 PM
How many IUs of HCG do you think will get the job done? How much is arimidex?

500IU every third day

esplendido
02-17-2009, 05:22 PM
is this black market or prescribed? does it matter?
Usual dosage is .5mg/day or 1mg/eod

MartyMcFly
02-17-2009, 05:32 PM
500IU every third day

are these shots IM or SC? Thanks esplendido.

esplendido
02-17-2009, 05:37 PM
are these shots IM or SC? Thanks esplendido.
SubQ

thepump
03-19-2009, 05:37 PM
i like that your down to earth keep it up