Test, Tren, Anadrol : Duchaine

[NPCKnight]

Tren, test and anadrol was described by Dan Duchaine, (RIP) as the most effective stack for man. Who has tried or would be willing to try this method? To me, it makes very good sense that this could be the greatest cycle for serious size.

I don't know much about what Dan said or how deeply he explained his theory or opinion on this, but I am interested to find out. Maybe Romano or others will have some good insight.

[testodes]

Im on that cycle at the moment . did 4 weeks anadrol, 500mg test enanthate, 300mgs tren enanthate , ive literally blown up!! im in week 8 of 10 picked up almost 30 pounds!!!
I prefer longer esters... but thats just me!

[Dr Pangloss]

I tried this last year. Perhaps i'm old, but it was too much for me. The anadrol was over the top.

[testodes]

Yeah, the anadrol is quite hectic, i was using the British Dispensary 50mg androlics tabs, they work the best for me, pumps were insane!!!! would it not be easier to run tren ace at about 150mg p/week for a better result? im not too keen on the tren enan too many sides for a long ester.... could i switch?

[NPCKnight]

If I were to do this, I would postulate that these would be my ranges to consider.

Test 750-1250/wk
Tren 75-100mg/day
Anadrol 100-150mg/day

[layton34]

i used a simlar stack precontest and it was fuckin insane. used the following:
sustanon 250 eod
tren act 75 ed
anadrol 50 ed
winstol 100 ed
eq 600 weekly
droppped out all the oils 2 weeks out excpet for the tren and replaced with halotestin 40 mg ed

my red blood cell count was thru the roof from the eq and the drol. someone said the pumps were crazy and man i could just look at a wieght and i could feel gettin pumped. also did pretty well i won the jr nationals lightheavy class in 03 with that stack but man i was one irritable mother fucker!!!!!

[Bob Smith Jr.]

hello brian saltzman?

[layton34]

whatsup bro...

[John Romano]

Tren, test and anadrol was described by Dan Duchaine, (RIP) as the most effective stack for man. Who has tried or would be willing to try this method? To me, it makes very good sense that this could be the greatest cycle for serious size.

I don't know much about what Dan said or how deeply he explained his theory or opinion on this, but I am interested to find out. Maybe Romano or others will have some good insight.

As Dan would have said, "If you don't grow on that you're not going to." I've used that stack several times. Be careful the A-bombs though. Very effective

[BigJD69]

My Liver is Hurting thinking about that Stack!

[heavyiron]

It is nutty, major gains

900mg test ew
350mg tren ew
50mg anadrol ed

[Formula94]

I ran A-bombs at the beginning of my cycle and the back pumps were just too much. No matter how much water I drank, taurine i took, or bananas I ate, it was excruciatingly painful to do squats and deads.

[Bigboi]

I get the same way on dbols, with the back pumps. I can't fuck with anadrol cos my apetitte vanishes.

[JG1]

Say good bye to your hair with that cycle.

[Zetawill]

Say good bye to your hair with that cycle.


Not necessarily......only if your Momma's Dad was bald at any point. You just helped speed up the process on that cycle!

[indianamonster1986]

Currently on the cycle and love it. On parabolon, sust, and anadrol.

[dan12]

That is what i am doing next. Same doses you put NPC. I just finished up a cycle like this but instead of a bomb i used dbol. It was very effective to but i am looking at trying abombs for the first time.

[NPCKnight]

Currently on the cycle and love it. On parabolon, sust, and anadrol.

Human grade or UG? If HG, what kinds?(drol and sust)

[Dr Pangloss]

mine was 600 test e, 300 tren E, 50 mg ed anadrol.

My only problem with it is that it's all aas, and with the doses some of you are talking about, saturating levels.

I'd rather use compounds that produce additive gains. that is, they have different mechanisms of action, or at least partially separate.

For instance, 1 g aas total with 4-8 iu of hgh and insulin.

[indianamonster1986]

Human grade or UG? If HG, what kinds?(drol and sust)


Para and anadrol is BD, and sust 250 is QV.

The pumps in the gym are great!! Taking letrozole to counter act the water retention. and taking a liver and kidney cleanse.

[indianamonster1986]

p.s. my hair is looking pretty damn thick....

[NPCKnight]

I think the doses I mentioned are fairly moderate all together. Obviously 75mg tren a day and 100-150 anadrol are healthy doses. But I don't believe it is overkill.
And 750 or so of test is pretty timid too. I would consider doing 875 instead which is 250mg EOD. Nothing crazy like 1250 or 1500...yet. LOL

[Dr Pangloss]

I think the doses I mentioned are fairly moderate all together. Obviously 75mg tren a day and 100-150 anadrol are healthy doses. But I don't believe it is overkill.
And 750 or so of test is pretty timid too. I would consider doing 875 instead which is 250mg EOD. Nothing crazy like 1250 or 1500...yet. LOL

yeah i'm not saying the doses are outrageous bro. I'm just saying that at those doses you're getting about all you're going to get out of aas only.

[NPCKnight]

If I ran the aforementioned stack above, what would you switch out after 8 weeks. Drol will prob be ran 6 weeks...Tren 6-8.
Then I am going to leave orals out and perhaps add NPP and EQ. Also have the option of upping test at this junction. Any suggestions Dr. P or others?

[Dr Pangloss]

If I ran the aforementioned stack above, what would you switch out after 8 weeks. Drol will prob be ran 6 weeks...Tren 6-8.
Then I am going to leave orals out and perhaps add NPP and EQ. Also have the option of upping test at this junction. Any suggestions Dr. P or others?

it's a great combo you're running, but i would add gh to it for quite a while. Some quality gh is going to add muscle independently of the aas. It you can't get serostim, Hygetrophin is not bad. Anyway, i think its time to add some gh of some kind.

I'd definitely switch out to npp at some point. i love that stuff.

[NPCKnight]

Do you think switching test esters is really neccessary and helpful? The specific ones to choose from are Cyp, Enan, Sust.

Prob end up breaking this into (3) x8week 'cycles'. Continuous.

[Dr Pangloss]

Do you think switching test esters is really neccessary and helpful? The specific ones to choose from are Cyp, Enan, Sust.

Prob end up breaking this into (3) x8week 'cycles'. Continuous.


i dont think the ester matters so much. Whatever ester you prefer. there is some evidence that the longer esters are slightly more anabolic; in part because of the more stable levels and the higher estrogen from aromatization.

but the ester isnt a big deal.

[NPCKnight]

I meant switching them every 8 weeks or so. Some people advocate that practice.
I have never touched GH and dont know anything except all the different color tops being talked about. Im not sure what if any are equivalent to the ones you suggested.

[Dr Pangloss]

I meant switching them every 8 weeks or so. Some people advocate that practice.
I have never touched GH and dont know anything except all the different color tops being talked about. Im not sure what if any are equivalent to the ones you suggested.


I'd switch some drugs out every 8 weeks. i do that all the time. I'm not sure i would bother switching Test esters out. Little motivation to do so.

Well, given where you are, I would start reading up on growth hormone. Again, gh will work additively with aas.

Only drawback is that its expensive.

If you take massive amounts, which i don't believe you can afford, it has some negative sides as well.

If you're doing cycles of test tren and anadrol, you're getting the most from aas that you're going to get, so i'm just suggesting you look at things that will work in parallel for you.

[NPCKnight]

I see, thank you. I would love to do GH at 8IU or so a day. Maybe 4-6 months of 2-4IU a day and then on a cycle like this bump it to 8.
Assuming I run tren for the first 8 weeks, do you think i should run NPP only 8 wks after that? Or take it out towards 14-16wks or so?
Also do you believe EQ is worth a fuck at a clip of 8 wks? I have always been under the impression it needs longer.

[NPCKnight]

Proposed cycle:
Test/Tren/Drol 8wks
Test/NPP/EQ? 8wks
Test/NPP/EQ? 8wks
possibly an oral to end with for 4 wks. Perhaps anadrol again.
Low dose t3 as well for 2 to 3 of the 8 wk phases.



Not really sure what other anabolics or orals I should consider to replace whats listed.

[Everex238]

test/tren/drol sounds sick and a real man's cycle!

[bgoo101]

im 4 weeks into test 750mg

and 2 weeks into tren 75mgEOD and DBOL 50mg..

and im really starting to shine ive gained 16.53 lbs in 4 weeks .... just watery same BF% from my cut mybe a 1% up not looking soft. im full and hard.. looking swole

it taken 2 weeks for the tren a nd dbol to really take effect.. but im strong as...

10 -12 weeks left ... im 200lbs now looking to break 220lbs ..

im stacking slin 4 x a week 8 iu, 4 weeks on 2 weeks off through out cycle...

im going to run this again as well after pct , im in a year long off-season ...

[testodes]

Quick question, how long for tren enan/ to start working? roughly? I started mine 6 weeks in.... was supposed to use Acetate but supplier only had enan... im on 750mg test enan/ did 4 weeks anadrol to kick start... how long should i run the tren?

[firefightermac]

Proposed cycle:
Test/Tren/Drol 8wks
Test/NPP/EQ? 8wks
Test/NPP/EQ? 8wks
possibly an oral to end with for 4 wks. Perhaps anadrol again.
Low dose t3 as well for 2 to 3 of the 8 wk phases.



Not really sure what other anabolics or orals I should consider to replace whats listed.

i dont recon its worth the eq for 8 weeks mate. save it for next time and go for 16-20 straight with it for some nice lean gains.

go with the npp and drop the orals after 6-8. maybe increase the test dose at week 8 to keep your total mg the same when youve dropped the drol.

as for the growth, i would just run it at 2-4iu year round. your not going to see much by jumping it up to 8iu for the 16 weeks. Not really worth the extra $$$. Definately worth running it year round though.

2 things. AI's? The water will be pretty intense with that much test and drol. I would run a little arims. .5 eod or e3d.

Have you used drol b4? For me its not worth the killer appetite suppression. When using it your obviously aiming to bulk and for me its not worth the force feeding and constant nausea. I would use dbol. Thats my 2c.

Oh yeah and dont bother switching tests, as Dr P said.

[firefightermac]

Quick question, how long for tren enan/ to start working? roughly? I started mine 6 weeks in.... was supposed to use Acetate but supplier only had enan... im on 750mg test enan/ did 4 weeks anadrol to kick start... how long should i run the tren?

you should have got a kick straigh away with the anadrol. after 4 weeks the enanthates should defianately be doing their thing as well.

[Bigluva]

test/tren/drol will be next for me.

Never tried drol so looking forward to it.

[NPCKnight]

i dont recon its worth the eq for 8 weeks mate. save it for next time and go for 16-20 straight with it for some nice lean gains.

go with the npp and drop the orals after 6-8. maybe increase the test dose at week 8 to keep your total mg the same when youve dropped the drol.

as for the growth, i would just run it at 2-4iu year round. your not going to see much by jumping it up to 8iu for the 16 weeks. Not really worth the extra $$$. Definately worth running it year round though.

2 things. AI's? The water will be pretty intense with that much test and drol. I would run a little arims. .5 eod or e3d.

Have you used drol b4? For me its not worth the killer appetite suppression. When using it your obviously aiming to bulk and for me its not worth the force feeding and constant nausea. I would use dbol. Thats my 2c.

Oh yeah and dont bother switching tests, as Dr P said.


I could end up using EQ for 12-16wks in this.. 2 of the 3 'blocks' of the cycle. Im pretty sure 8-10iu would work great if used correctly. i doubt 2-4IU year round will yield much in the effects of new lean tissue.

AI's....come on bro..ofcourse I have this covered. Aromasin, Pramipexole, AIFM will all be on hand. Probably run proviron alongside too.

Drol...no this wil be my first time. Part of the reason I want to use EQ as well...make up for the appetite. Ive been there and done that with dbol...we are looking to climb to new levels...not re-do our old ones!

[Everex238]

how about for test, use suspension? that would be BADASS

[NPCKnight]

Why? That would make no sense in this cycle bro.

[Everex238]

just thought of it because of quicker gains, more hardness..... idk guess im wrong then, my fault

[exit2010]

I run that in the winter:

750mg test EW
400mg tren E EW
50mg drol ED Weeks 1-7

for 12 weeks. i shave my head anyways.

[NPCKnight]

Well, like proposed at the top of this 2nd page, I am breaking my cycle up into 3 different sections. Might take each section from 8 wks down to 6wks as right now to me it seems it would be smarter to run an 18 weeker than a 24 week run.

[firefightermac]

I could end up using EQ for 12-16wks in this.. 2 of the 3 'blocks' of the cycle. Im pretty sure 8-10iu would work great if used correctly. i doubt 2-4IU year round will yield much in the effects of new lean tissue. I would still prefer eq to be run straight 16-20 instead of in blocks. growth in 2-4iuwill def change your body. especially when used in conjuction with a good slin protocol. i know you have experience in the milos style pre-workout slin, as do I. Im currently switching over to Lantus and giving that a go.

AI's....come on bro..ofcourse I have this covered. Aromasin, Pramipexole, AIFM will all be on hand. Probably run proviron alongside too. Lol, cool. Was just asking. Assume nothing.

Drol...no this wil be my first time. Part of the reason I want to use EQ as well...make up for the appetite. Ive been there and done that with dbol...we are looking to climb to new levels...not re-do our old ones! I did this as well mate. Ran eq with my drol to try and counter act the loss of appetite. Didnt work for me but could do for you. Good luck!

[BG COUNTRY]

stack is great if the a-drol doesn't mess up your appetite. try the test and tren alone first and then throw in the a-drol

[Aaron Singerman]

Para and anadrol is BD, and sust 250 is QV.

The pumps in the gym are great!! Taking letrozole to counter act the water retention. and taking a liver and kidney cleanse.

In other words, IP...

[hilly]

NPCknight will you be running any insulin with this cycle?

[NPCKnight]

Nope, contrary to what most think due to my knowledge on the subject, I haven't ever touched Slin.

[indianamonster1986]

In other words, IP...


;):D:beerbang:

[indianamonster1986]

Nope, contrary to what most think due to my knowledge on the subject, I haven't ever touched Slin.


Damn I was just thinking about his while I was making breakfast. I was like i wonder how long he has taken slin for. Just popped into my head. Just seems like you do based on your responses and knowledge on the subject.

[hilly]

very interesting Night do you feel its not needed or the dangers outway the benefits?

[NPCKnight]

I am just holding out til the last possible time period...to advance as far as I can without Slin, and GH, so I have tools and options left in my arsenal and at my disposal when I come near my max physique with diet and AAS. Thats the only reason.

I do know that I would definitely do Milos' preworkout Slin protocol since his philosophies make extreme sense. Other than that I would look into Maxititers Lantus or Levemir. They both sound too good to be true but maybe they do work just like he says and that would be conveneient dont you think?

I also simply have no interest in GH at this age (25--about to be 26) and have no interest BUT in its mass/lean tissue abilities. I would run 2iu or so to get it working for me but would perfer to use it when I'm on cycle at 8-10IU a day . 2IU or so ever 3 hrs since that is our natural pulses of GH. This is Razor's practice and it makes more sense to me, especially if you are looking for pure size, not all its other positive effects. I can use GH for anti again and quality of life at 2IU a day the rest of my life after I'm old...I want size when I use it at a relatively young age!

[hilly]

almost makes very good sense. growth is something i am saving for later in my development but i am trying the ghrp- and grf peptides with decent results at the moment.

i have just started levemir to run during my rebound so it will be interesting to see how it works. i have never used slin before so it is a safe starting point

[NPCKnight]

In the next year or two, I see myself perhaps finally trying slin. It will most likely be Humalog and at 5-20IU(max) clips.

GH on the other hand, I will just wait til i can afford 6-12 months worth at 4IU a day. On cycle however, assuming I have already been on 2-4 IU GH beforehand, I would bump it up to 8-10IU(while on AAS). Then probably taper it back down to an affordable dose.
Just think....2-4months of 2-4IU. Go ON cycle for 4 months and incorportate 8-10IU. Come off and following 4 months 2-4IU. Thats a year right there.

This is all thought processes in part of my big all encompassing plan. LOL :)

[The Big Sexy]

In the next year or two, I see myself perhaps finally trying slin. It will most likely be Humalog and at 5-20IU(max) clips.

GH on the other hand, I will just wait til i can afford 6-12 months worth at 4IU a day. On cycle however, assuming I have already been on 2-4 IU GH beforehand, I would bump it up to 8-10IU(while on AAS). Then probably taper it back down to an affordable dose.
Just think....2-4months of 2-4IU. Go ON cycle for 4 months and incorportate 8-10IU. Come off and following 4 months 2-4IU. Thats a year right there.

This is all thought processes in part of my big all encompassing plan. LOL :)

That would be a great use of the GH, IMO.

[DemonWolf]

Say good bye to your hair with that cycle.

Ya, and Hello to high bp and bitch tits....

[NPCKnight]

Any new ideas or comments? Now considering using Lantus with this.

[firefightermac]

Nothn new bro. Give it a go! Keep a log. Interested to see how Lantus goes too. I was having great results with it prior to surgery. Lookn forward to the next offseason. I'll be doing somethikng similar, but with growth and dbol instead of drol due to the appetite loss....

[Hendog]

how about for test, use suspension? that would be BADASS

Suspension is a great choice for test in that stack!


Why? That would make no sense in this cycle bro.

huh?

[Bryan Hildebrand]

Say good bye to your hair with that cycle.

hair is massively overrated.... ;)

[Johnny Phenomenon]

I am just holding out til the last possible time period...to advance as far as I can without Slin, and GH, so I have tools and options left in my arsenal and at my disposal when I come near my max physique with diet and AAS.

Smartest post of all time.

[esplendido]

Last cycle was similar: 800mg cyp/week, 400mg deca/week, 50mg anadrol/day, 6IU GH/day

Even my wife said I was looking freaky! Biggest and hardest at that size I've ever been.

Let myself crash for 6 weeks to get blood work that showed low test. Test came in at 53! Doc prescribed 400mg cyp/week.

Now 3 weeks into similar cycle and will switch out deca with tren ace at week 8. Put on 10lbs in the first 10 days and strength is going through the roof!

[Almaz]

Last cycle was similar: 800mg cyp/week, 400mg deca/week, 50mg anadrol/day, 6IU GH/day

Even my wife said I was looking freaky! Biggest and hardest at that size I've ever been.

Let myself crash for 6 weeks to get blood work that showed low test. Test came in at 53! Doc prescribed 400mg cyp/week.

Now 3 weeks into similar cycle and will switch out deca with tren ace at week 8. Put on 10lbs in the first 10 days and strength is going through the roof!

You guys are lucky,over here we get test gel 99 times of 100,and if you are really lucky you can get a form of test that you are injecting every 12th week............:mad:

[BC123Jm]

I’m bringing this thread back from the dead because I am about
To start my tren, drol, test cycle.

I’ve searched and searched but can’t seem to get a straight answer
On how to combat the gyno and bloat from the drol.

Some say its progestogenic related, others say its related directly
To drols acting on the estrogen receptor.

Some say use letro and cabergoline others say just use a serm like nolva.

I can’t find a straight answer.

I know, if I’m worried about gyno and water, just run other gear.
The thing is I’ve been out of the loop for many, many years.
And all the UG stuff I can get is straight garbage.

So I make my own tren, so I know its real, and I get my test and drol
Scripted from my doc and buy it at CVS and my insurance picks up
The tab :0

I am extremely prone to gyno and already have a high natural prolactin level.
I can get any type of AI or serm from my doc.

Any and all feedback is appreciated from anyone who has any real
Experience with this stack. Also I am on Dave’s keto diet, so
If you have dieted on this stack I would also like to hear from you.

Thanks
BC

[Ymir]

I’m bringing this thread back from the dead because I am about
To start my tren, drol, test cycle.

I’ve searched and searched but can’t seem to get a straight answer
On how to combat the gyno and bloat from the drol.

Some say its progestogenic related, others say its related directly
To drols acting on the estrogen receptor.

Some say use letro and cabergoline others say just use a serm like nolva.

I can’t find a straight answer.

I know, if I’m worried about gyno and water, just run other gear.
The thing is I’ve been out of the loop for many, many years.
And all the UG stuff I can get is straight garbage.

So I make my own tren, so I know its real, and I get my test and drol
Scripted from my doc and buy it at CVS and my insurance picks up
The tab :0

I am extremely prone to gyno and already have a high natural prolactin level.
I can get any type of AI or serm from my doc.

Any and all feedback is appreciated from anyone who has any real
Experience with this stack. Also I am on Dave’s keto diet, so
If you have dieted on this stack I would also like to hear from you.

Thanks
BC


for me letro is enough for abombs+test, nolva does jack shit for me cept give me acne lots of it.

[Barrett]

Gonna try and resurrect this thread, what's the best ancillaries to be taking to combat progesterone effects, hairloss or water retention while on drol at 50-100 mg? An ai? Anything else?

[TheRage93]

Goodness that stack sounds juicy, no homo. I have to try it when I blast again in 20 weeks.

[joe d]

bc it sounds like the drol is a bad choice for you.

if letro and nolva wont work nothing will

[iRock2]

Gonna try and resurrect this thread, what's the best ancillaries to be taking to combat progesterone effects, hairloss or water retention while on drol at 50-100 mg? An ai? Anything else?

wouldn't it be caber, finasteride or dutasteride, and letro/nolva

[TheRage93]

bc it sounds like the drol is a bad choice for you.

if letro and nolva wont work nothing will

Yes unfortunately :/. ESP letro.

[BC123Jm]

bc it sounds like the drol is a bad choice for you.

if letro and nolva wont work nothing will

that was one of my very first posts when i joined lol.
cabergoline 1/2 mg 2x a week. knocked my prolactin related gyno
out quick when nothing else worked.

[Big Barry]

that was one of my very first posts when i joined lol.
cabergoline 1/2 mg 2x a week. knocked my prolactin related gyno
out quick when nothing else worked.

Caber has never let me down, I know people prefer Prami, but like they say... if it's not broke, don't fix it. lol