Does Superdrol convert to dht?

[big.poppa.pump]

Hi, I was wondering if Superdrol converts to dht. I would like to run it during my offseason phase, but have problems with having high dht levels. Just wondering what to expect from the pro-hormone.

[big.poppa.pump]

My guess is yes, but I just want a definite answer

[JustLuke]

Superdrol (methyl masteron) is a DHT derivative. I just started one from the company Chaparral Labs called Megavol, I'm running 10mg 3xD. I've never ran it before and was interested in the effects. I'll let you know how it turns out.

[big.poppa.pump]

Sweet, thanks dude. I always get acne probs with prohormone or gear. I was told to try something that doesn't convert to DHT like winstrol. So I was gonna run some stanzonol....but I also want to run superdrol

[maxititer]

if you are susceptible to acne, then you can get a problems with prostate enlargements from superdol too (if it is really methyle masterone). If you want to try something strong, then why not to consider methyltrienolone (methyle trenbolon). That drug gaining some popularity in Europe.

[big.poppa.pump]

if you are susceptible to acne, then you can get a problems with prostate enlargements from superdol too (if it is really methyle masterone). If you want to try something strong, then why not to consider methyltrienolone (methyle trenbolon). That drug gaining some popularity in Europe.

I'll have to give that a try. I just feel the side effects from superdrol are far too severe for me to justify using it. I never thought about prostate health. Do you suggest running some saw palmetto with it too? I am running a 450 mg pill 2 times daily to lower my dht. It helps with my acne problems that I get. I know you need some dht for muscle growth, I just want to make sure that 450 mg twice a day isn't going to block too much dht.

[JustLuke]

Sweet, thanks dude. I always get acne probs with prohormone or gear. I was told to try something that doesn't convert to DHT like winstrol. So I was gonna run some stanzonol....but I also want to run superdrol
winstrol is a DHT also.

[JustLuke]

I'll have to give that a try. I just feel the side effects from superdrol are far too severe for me to justify using it. I never thought about prostate health. Do you suggest running some saw palmetto with it too? I am running a 450 mg pill 2 times daily to lower my dht. It helps with my acne problems that I get. I know you need some dht for muscle growth, I just want to make sure that 450 mg twice a day isn't going to block too much dht.

I don't think Saw palmetto reduces DHT, it inhibits the 5 alpha reductase enzyme from converting testosterone to DHT.

A lot of the pro-hormones on the market are DHT derivatives, Super, Phera, Epi, stanazol's are all DHT's.

there are progestins like the trens and nandralone pro-hormones also, but I am not to crazy about those, the strength is through the roof but the risk of the gyno and libido shutdown tend to shy me away. I had luck with real trenbolone but not so much the ph version. (I don't know why I keep refering to the ph's as tren, from what I read they convert to dienolone.)

you may be safe with something like 1,4,AD. but that's a fairly weak one from what I hear. I think you might get good results from Turinabol pro-hormones like Halodrol-50 clones.

[big.poppa.pump]

winstrol is a DHT also.

I thought dave wrote in his q&a to use wintrol if you have acne problems because it doesn't convert to dht.

Saw palmetto was added in his testolyze supp to block dht because 6-oxo only lowers estrogen and does nothing for dht.

[JustLuke]

I thought dave wrote in his q&a to use wintrol if you have acne problems because it doesn't convert to dht.

Saw palmetto was added in his testolyze supp to block dht because 6-oxo only lowers estrogen and does nothing for dht.
right winni does not convert to dht it is derived from it. google winstrol DHT

saw palmetto blocks conversion. FYI I think dave took his testrolyze off the market because all that is going on with 6 oxo these days.

to your question on if you are taking too much saw palmetto, I have heard with proscar that if you go to high on the dose that your libido goes down.

[J2jud]

If you have a DHT derivative, that usually doesn't mean you're going to have DHT side effects. Take primobolan for example, it doesn't produce a DHT counterpart or have DHT activity.

Superdrol is a modified form of DHT. It's androgenic activity is not extremely large by any means, but there will be some potent androgenic effects associated with androgens. If increased MPB is an issue, some have reported some signs of increased shedding as expected.

[needtogetaas]

If you have a DHT derivative, that usually doesn't mean you're going to have DHT side effects. Take primobolan for example, it doesn't produce a DHT counterpart or have DHT activity.

Superdrol is a modified form of DHT. It's androgenic activity is not extremely large by any means, but there will be some potent androgenic effects associated with androgens. If increased MPB is an issue, some have reported some signs of increased shedding as expected.
AAHH primo is a dhb??

[needtogetaas]

And superdrol is kind of a cross between oral masteron and anadrol. It gives damn good strength gains for most people and all muscle gain is hard and lean. Its been gaining populirty. SO much so that I think this one will stick around even after its banned.

[juggernaut]

I got hit with a small gyno flareup after my mdrol cycle was over and was on nolva as it hit. I was like wtf?? Good way to combat is to have arimidex. I've heard you can take it alongside, but I'm not sure.

[IronCrusher]

I got hit with a small gyno flareup after my mdrol cycle was over and was on nolva as it hit. I was like wtf?? Good way to combat is to have arimidex. I've heard you can take it alongside, but I'm not sure.


Estrogen rebound won't be controlled with nolvadex. So, yep using some Adex or aromasin is what you need.

[J2jud]

Estrogen rebound won't be controlled with nolvadex. So, yep using some Adex or aromasin is what you need.

Correct. I've advised users to control the possibility of producing gyno by using Arimidex @ .5mg about 1 week before the cycle ends and continue into the 3rd of the 4th week into PCT. Usually, estrogen related sides are never reported back to me, nor delayed onset of gyno. I would warn users not to dose their anti-E too high as it could have a negative impact.

[juggernaut]

I just ordered liquidex a few days back; How does .5mg compare in mL? Will I have any left over for a second round, if kept in the fridge?

[IronCrusher]

I just ordered liquidex a few days back; How does .5mg compare in mL? Will I have any left over for a second round, if kept in the fridge?


Assuming the does is 1mg per 1ml; .5ml = .5mg

[abomb555]

if you are susceptible to acne, then you can get a problems with prostate enlargements from superdol too (if it is really methyle masterone). If you want to try something strong, then why not to consider methyltrienolone (methyle trenbolon). That drug gaining some popularity in Europe.
yes go to needtobuildmuscle.com look up 19-tren-tfo

[juggernaut]

does beastdrol have the same sides as mdrol? can beastdrol be stacked with 19-tren-tfo? Which stronger, mdrol or beastdrol?

the arimidex is this (http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16135&cat=248)

[IronCrusher]

does beastdrol have the same sides as mdrol? can beastdrol be stacked with 19-tren-tfo? Which stronger, mdrol or beastdrol?

the arimidex is this (http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16135&cat=248)


Yes, beastdrol will have the same side effects.

I can guarantee to you Beastdrol is the best you can possibly find. We have all of our products tested, and our lab tests came back 99.9% pure for our 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol and our 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione

I have seen a few people complain about m-drol, but I can tell you everyone who has used beastdrol has been thouroughly impressed, and some have been blown away.

needtobuildmuscle takes pride in providing only the highest of quality products to you here at RXmuscle.


We have a Beastdrol/Tren TFO full stack here:


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[juggernaut]

the only thing I didnt like about mdrol was the fucking back cramps and delayed gyno. Can I use arimidex on cycle along with the beastdrol? Or should I wait until the cycle is over and use nolva and arimidex?

[JustLuke]

does beastdrol have the same sides as mdrol? can beastdrol be stacked with 19-tren-tfo? Which stronger, mdrol or beastdrol?

the arimidex is this (http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16135&cat=248)

Beastdrol is the same compound as mdrol they are just written different.
5a-androst means the same thing as methyl etiocholan.

they can be stacked together, I've seen logs for it. beastdrol(superdrol) is a pretty heavy compound and puts a tax on your liver and kidneys. I don't think tren is very hard on your liver but I think it can stress your kidneys, so this stack would probably be for an advanced user only.

the liquidex is 1mg per ml, so 1/2 mg would be 1/2 ml. the math is not that difficult on that one.

[IronCrusher]

the only thing I didnt like about mdrol was the fucking back cramps and delayed gyno. Can I use arimidex on cycle along with the beastdrol? Or should I wait until the cycle is over and use nolva and arimidex?


I would not use it on cycle. As a DHT derivative, it tends to mildly supress estrogen, which is why a few people get rebound and gyno. I would only use .5mg in PCT to keep it for elevating beyond normal levels.

Killing estrogen completely is not what you want to do at all either.

Nolva is worthless for supressing estrogen. It blocks estrogen receptors, which is what a SERM does. It does not really lower estrogen. Only use it if symptoms occur.

It is rare to hear of gyno while using this compound.

[IronCrusher]

Beastdrol is the same compound as mdrol they are just written different.
5a-androst means the same thing as methyl etiocholan.

they can be stacked together, I've seen logs for it. beastdrol(superdrol) is a pretty heavy compound and puts a tax on your liver and kidneys. I don't think tren is very hard on your liver but I think it can stress your kidneys, so this stack would probably be for an advanced user only.

the liquidex is 1mg per ml, so 1/2 mg would be 1/2 ml. the math is not that difficult on that one.



Beastdrol itself is not for a first timer using hormones. This is not the one to get your feet wet with. We will be offering more very popular compounds in the near future. Like our current products, they are pure and powerful.

[JustLuke]

Beastdrol itself is not for a first timer using hormones. This is not the one to get your feet wet with. We will be offering more very popular compounds in the near future. Like our current products, they are pure and powerful.
Juggernaut established that he was not a first timer with his post about mdrol and gyno flareup.

[IronCrusher]

Juggernaut established that he was not a first timer with his post about mdrol and gyno flareup.


I didn't assume he was. Just stating a fact :)

[juggernaut]

yes, I'm not a first time user. I couldnt believe the gains though. I did come from 10% bf-I leaned out and started a bulk with high fats/protein. I was even shocked more after almost a month, I kept my gains with nolva, but got the recent flareup.
When i get the adex and start the dose at .5 mL, do I continue until the bottle is done or do I just run it for a certain amount of time? I have completed a full month of pct.

[IronCrusher]

yes, I'm not a first time user. I couldnt believe the gains though. I did come from 10% bf-I leaned out and started a bulk with high fats/protein. I was even shocked more after almost a month, I kept my gains with nolva, but got the recent flareup.
When i get the adex and start the dose at .5 mL, do I continue until the bottle is done or do I just run it for a certain amount of time? I have completed a full month of pct.

Your estrogen may regulate by the time you get it. Do you still have some nolva?

I'd be on the nolva to prevent the estrogen from activating growth in your breast tissue until you have the adex.

You won't need to use a whole bottle. Your estrogen should lower and stay at normal levels fairly quickly.

[juggernaut]

Unfortunately, I dont have much left-its at the tailend of the bottle. I have about 3 or 4 days left in the bottle. I haven't gone off the nolva. When I get it, should I run them both together or stop the nolva once I start the adex? How long should I use it for? Two weeks? I'd like to have leftover in case it happens when I am on my pplex/mdrol bridge.

[IronCrusher]

Unfortunately, I dont have much left-its at the tailend of the bottle. I have about 3 or 4 days left in the bottle. I haven't gone off the nolva. When I get it, should I run them both together or stop the nolva once I start the adex? How long should I use it for? Two weeks? I'd like to have leftover in case it happens when I am on my pplex/mdrol bridge.

plex/mdrol bridge? Bridge to what?

Isn't that really just like going on again?

I'm not a fan of the bridge concept. That's beside the point anyways.





After 2 or 3 doses, your estrogen should be below normal assuming it's only slightly elevated from the rebound, and hopefuly it regulates properly.


When I had this issue I just played it by how I feel it is going with myself. Afte a week the sensitivity was gone an I never have had an issue since then.

It's no sure thing to say: "Do x, y and z and it fixes everyones problems"

Whatever you do, don't try and drive your estrogen into the ground. It may just rebound again.

[juggernaut]

pplex for the first stage gradually going into mdrol and ending in pct (with nolva AND arimidex this time)

Why aren't you in favor the bridging concept? One doesnt methylate, one does. is there another reason?

[JustLuke]

pplex for the first stage gradually going into mdrol and ending in pct (with nolva AND arimidex this time)

Why aren't you in favor the bridging concept? One doesnt methylate, one does. is there another reason?
I'm a little confused??? are you using this time that you are in PCT on nolva as your off time and you are going to start up again in a couple weeks after you run your adex?

I am sure the reason that Ironcrusher is not a fan of bridging is because you are not letting your HPTA, liver or kidneys have any time to recover from your last cycle. I also believe that time off allows your androgen receptors to be more sensitive the next time you go on and that can give you greater and more lasting gains.

with time off completely your hormones will probably eqalize and your gyno may go away on it's own, that is if your gyno is not to bad already.

If your gyno is estrogen related you might have good luck reducing it and getting great gains with a Phera/Epi stack for your next cycle. Just a thought.

[IronCrusher]

pplex for the first stage gradually going into mdrol and ending in pct (with nolva AND arimidex this time)

Why aren't you in favor the bridging concept? One doesnt methylate, one does. is there another reason?

Methylate isn't a verb.

It's an adjective, as in methylated steroid.

Both p-plex and m-drol are methylated and stress the liver. Both supress your HPTA.


"bridging" or "cruising" with OTC oral steroids into other OTC oral steroids should never happen. It is not healthy on your HPTA or your liver and kidneys.


Do a cycle, get your PCT done with, take some time off and add upon your gains training natty for a bit. give your body a break. Use these responsibly.


Justluke covered the rest nicely.

[juggernaut]

Methylate isn't a verb.

It's an adjective, as in methylated steroid.

.I been skooled. Sorry for looking naive :rolleyes:.
I was under the impression that pplex was a weaker of the two, thereby being a non methylated compound. After checking it out-it is 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol . I was wrong. But the reviews are very promising for this. PPlex doesnt give the back cramps the way mdrol does from what I've heard and read.

Which I thought was why CEL started selling them as a bridging stack.

[juggernaut]

I will definitely train in a natty state for about 9 weeks. Take a rest for about 4 days, and continue to train assisted. I do understand what both of you are saying, and I agree. Epi and pplex together would work for me. I will keep the mdrol alone. Or, perhaps an hdrol/mdrol bridge.

[needtogetaas]

Methylate isn't a verb.

It's an adjective, as in methylated steroid.

Both p-plex and m-drol are methylated and stress the liver. Both supress your HPTA.


"bridging" or "cruising" with OTC oral steroids into other OTC oral steroids should never happen. It is not healthy on your HPTA or your liver and kidneys.


Do a cycle, get your PCT done with, take some time off and add upon your gains training natty for a bit. give your body a break. Use these responsibly.


Justluke covered the rest nicely.
You can bridge with something non mythelated. Like say dermacrine. This makes a great bridge.

[juggernaut]

Dermacrine? Never heard of it.

[juggernaut]

by the way, when is a good time to use dhea? Is this stuff any good? I heard it may be.

[needtogetaas]

by the way, when is a good time to use dhea? Is this stuff any good? I heard it may be.
That is basically what dermacrine is. Topical dhea. Trans dermal DHEA is much stronger then oral. I will have it in my store soon.

[juggernaut]

online store? I'm always looking for new places. Got a link?

[needtogetaas]

I will definitely train in a natty state for about 9 weeks. Take a rest for about 4 days, and continue to train assisted. I do understand what both of you are saying, and I agree. Epi and pplex together would work for me. I will keep the mdrol alone. Or, perhaps an hdrol/mdrol bridge.
You should give this a try http://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage-ask.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=1

It has 15mg p-plex aka madol which is 5mg more then p-plex and it also has
13 ethyl 3 methoxy, 25mg per cap. 90 caps per bottle rather then 60. Gives you a full 4 weeks worth at 3 caps every day. double compound mix that works great. You can read about it here. DieselBolan-King of Mass! - RX Muscle Forums

[needtogetaas]

online store? I'm always looking for new places. Got a link?
Needtobuildmuscle.com

Or just click the link to the deiselbolan I just gave you. Also come check out my new forum on the site. Needtobuildmuscle.com - RX Muscle Forums
I will have many new products coming out over time. I have a great selection of otc steroids,support sups,and pct. Soon I will have protein and all the reg stuff too. Also be sure to check out the protein bars. Read about them on my new forum too. I have given out a bunch of free sample so people will be posting about them soon I am sure.

[juggernaut]

cool. I'll check it out.

[juggernaut]

After 2 or 3 doses, your estrogen should be below normal assuming it's only slightly elevated from the rebound, and hopefuly it regulates properly.


When I had this issue I just played it by how I feel it is going with myself. Afte a week the sensitivity was gone an I never have had an issue since then.

It's no sure thing to say: "Do x, y and z and it fixes everyones problems"

Whatever you do, don't try and drive your estrogen into the ground. It may just rebound again.there isnt any soreness, just puffiness around the areola. It doesnt hurt, nor is it sensitive or does liquid come out. It just puffs. I'm thinking maybe a 5 day maximum and see what happens?

[IronCrusher]

there isnt any soreness, just puffiness around the areola. It doesnt hurt, nor is it sensitive or does liquid come out. It just puffs. I'm thinking maybe a 5 day maximum and see what happens?

Start with that. Just keep an eye on it.

[juggernaut]

You should give this a try http://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage-ask.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=1

It has 15mg p-plex aka madol which is 5mg more then p-plex and it also has
13 ethyl 3 methoxy, 25mg per cap. 90 caps per bottle rather then 60. Gives you a full 4 weeks worth at 3 caps every day. double compound mix that works great. You can read about it here. DieselBolan-King of Mass! - RX Muscle Forums (http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=9336)problem is I ordered the pplex/mdrol and have it already. Wanted to use it. wanna trade?

[JustLuke]

You should give this a try http://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage-ask.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=1

It has 15mg p-plex aka madol which is 5mg more then p-plex and it also has
13 ethyl 3 methoxy, 25mg per cap. 90 caps per bottle rather then 60. Gives you a full 4 weeks worth at 3 caps every day. double compound mix that works great. You can read about it here. DieselBolan-King of Mass! - RX Muscle Forums (http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?t=9336)
Why is the recommended directions for taking your products take pre-workout? the half life on Phera is only like 9 hours and the half life on max lmg is like 6. For optimum hormone levels I always recommend people take their PH/steroids spaced out like 1 morn 1 night or 1 cap 3XD. I'm not even going to address the potential side effects on max lmg, but let me say there are some very underireable ones.LMG+:erection:=:hide: the phera will help with that though.

[juggernaut]

I'm not even going to address the potential side effects on max lmg, but let me say there are some very underireable ones.LMG+:erection:=:hide: the phera will help with that though.

thats the funniest shit I ever saw.

[IronCrusher]

Why is the recommended directions for taking your products take pre-workout? the half life on Phera is only like 9 hours and the half life on max lmg is like 6. For optimum hormone levels I always recommend people take their PH/steroids spaced out like 1 morn 1 night or 1 cap 3XD. I'm not even going to address the potential side effects on max lmg, but let me say there are some very underireable ones.LMG+:erection:=:hide: the phera will help with that though.


I would agree with spreading it out. If you take 3 caps, 1 in th morning + 2 pre-workout is enough. I personally prefer taking them 3x per day for the reason you specified.

But in reality, 2x per vs 3x per day will not result in much of a difference, in total results.

[needtogetaas]

Why is the recommended directions for taking your products take pre-workout? the half life on Phera is only like 9 hours and the half life on max lmg is like 6. For optimum hormone levels I always recommend people take their PH/steroids spaced out like 1 morn 1 night or 1 cap 3XD. I'm not even going to address the potential side effects on max lmg, but let me say there are some very underireable ones.LMG+:erection:=:hide: the phera will help with that though.
And so do I. But For other reasons 2 a day is written on labels and shit.
I had a guy call me today and tell me he was taking 6 caps of beastdrol a day and was having problems.

My answer AAAH the bottle and my site say not to take anymore then 2 caps so this is your fault not mine. :D:D

[IronCrusher]

And so do I. But For other reasons 2 a day is written on labels and shit.
I had a guy call me today and tell me he was taking 6 caps of beastdrol a day and was having problems.

My answer AAAH the bottle and my site say not to take anymore then 2 caps so this is your fault not mine. :D:D


Yes, it is to cover our ass.

Anyone who doesn't understand how to properly use these shouldn't be anyways. And if the product gets abused, we have a label with directions that tells them to dose otherwise than what they have done and we recieve no blame.

[juggernaut]

well actually, I think I fucked up my cycle because on the last week, I was cruising well at 20mg on mdrol; I said I'm not feeling any pain or gyno so let me up it to 30mg for the last week. I think thats where I really shouldve left good enough alone.

[needtogetaas]

well actually, I think I fucked up my cycle because on the last week, I was cruising well at 20mg on mdrol; I said I'm not feeling any pain or gyno so let me up it to 30mg for the last week. I think thats where I really shouldve left good enough alone.
Superdrol is not liekly to cause gyno at all during the cycle. Rebound gyno has been common but a good pct takes care of that.

A lot of times people get gyno well on superdrol because they are not really taking superdrol.

[juggernaut]

[quote=need2;267754]Superdrol is not liekly to cause gyno at all during the cycle. Rebound gyno has been common but a good pct takes care of that.

A lot of times people get gyno well on superdrol because they are not really taking superdrol.[/quoteI didnt say it happened on 30mg; I said it happened AFTER.

[needtogetaas]

[quote=need2;267754]Superdrol is not liekly to cause gyno at all during the cycle. Rebound gyno has been common but a good pct takes care of that.

A lot of times people get gyno well on superdrol because they are not really taking superdrol.[/quoteI didnt say it happened on 30mg; I said it happened AFTER.
O sorry about that man. Yes estrogen rebound can happen after.

[juggernaut]

its cool...it just goes to show you that it can happen when push the envelope a bit further