WOLFGANG
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wolf.. I made a mistake w my pre contest diet from steve .. the chicken meal was half of a plain baked barbeque chiken at meal 3 and half at meal 4 ... I thought it was 8 ounces n 8 ounces ( 16) but it wasn't .. Im going to get the notes I saved . i took notes every day for a long while and any that pertain to steve n diet i'll let you know ..

last part W G Steves off season approach was typical of the day ...lots f protein .. Interestingly enough... probably not a great thing for steve in hind sighte because of his by passes. he had me go across the street to the red lobster every day for lunch ( if he didnt go out) and get him either a pound of FRIED shrimp.. lol.. no joke or a whole barbeque chicken ( that aint bad) .. in the am i went to the diner across street n got him a toasted bran muffin , no butter every am.. this was part of 84 85 86 I wish I can tell you more .. perhaps his approach w me was different than his approach with the older competitors .. Im sure it was . he was a smart guy though...very well read .. Good talking w ya WOLFGANG ps.. muscle n fitness editor shawn perrine was there during this time w his mom who competed . since he was a bit older maybe he can tell you more . shawns a great guy so Im sure he would .. he's on iron age ..

In 1985 Frank Richards came into the gym for night of champions n olympia (when I said the desk chats this is it .. ) he was shredded for the day...and even today ... he outlined for steve and discussed his ketogenic diet that day at the desk and the bodybuilders ( beckles, i think greg defaro and others staying at wayne demelias) all sat and discussed it for over an hour.. it was awesome.. i took notes I still have at my mothers house. You can write frank on facebook n ask him . I did a couple years ago, he was a good guy .. liked steve alot as did all those guys ..samir too . anyway , fransk diet (off top of head) was typical protein ( i think 50 grams) and he would use the keto sticks.. when he went just before ketosis he would eat 40 grams carbs .. ( i think that number is solid right on) of course no cheat meals at all and he was shredded .. lots of guys in the gym did it then .

He added to it EXCEL high fiber mix before every meal . excel was a basic fiber ( not sure if psyllium) from the 80's maybe earlier . He did not want you drinking water w meals . That was a popular belief back then with effecting stomach ph and enzymes . he also added digestive enzymes to the program . There were no cheat meals or off days at all . i dont no of any bodybuilders who did cheat meals . haha.. Now I met him in 84 I'm sure he tried every program others did back then .

I know what you mean with the trap.. have you tried tens unit ? Theyre great for guys that train to have for times like this .. Of course the repeated contractions help the muscle relax n hopefully taken stress off the nerve or impingment .. I use them n they are a keeper . My first contest diet with steve was very conservative.. aside from low calori n carb for some, fairly typical and reasonable . only 10 weeks looked like this .. #1 1/2 cp oats water 6 eggs whites ( only 6) #2 6.5 oz tuna water 1 medium baked potato , not sweet . # 3 8 ounces chicken breast and salad # 4 was the same as # 3 He was a believer in supplements and fond of Durk Pearsons Life Extension released late 70 early 80's he basically used their vitamin program, one by one in the back of the book .

How are ya, WOLFGANG ! Thank you for that , I appreciate it . I know some can get annoyed w longer post but I figured what the heck .. thanks again

Hey brotha, no problem.

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For a 200lb man:

MEAL #1
5 whole eggs (make sure to buy *****-3 EGGS from the supermarket. They contain virtually NO saturated fat and tons of good *****-3 fats); add another 4 egg whites to this (they don?t need to be the *****-3 ones; you can use liquid egg whites)

MEAL #2
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)

MEAL #3
"Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

MEAL #4
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added)

MEAL #5
"Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar

MEAL #6
SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 ? tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (*****-3) eggs and 4 extra whites