[quote=Androgen;1100898]If you workout M-F, is it best to do cheat meal/carb load friday night? OR does the day not matter (as long as you're consistent with the day)?[/quote]
I like to do it on non workout days. Keep the day consistant though.
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[quote=Androgen;1100898]If you workout M-F, is it best to do cheat meal/carb load friday night? OR does the day not matter (as long as you're consistent with the day)?[/quote]
I like to do it on non workout days. Keep the day consistant though.
[quote=Androgen;1100903]Also, for occasional meals I assume you can replace nuts/PB/oils with low carb cheeses?[/quote]
Depends on how strict your diet is. I dont think Dave's diet allows any dairy. I dont follow dave's diet as its just one version of keto. For fats I have hard cheeses (low to no carbs), pepperoni, sausage, bacon etc. I get uncured, nitrate free versions. Mostly I use, nuts, avocodos, oils, natural peanut butter, coconut oil/milk.
[quote=lukx;1097847]You mean loading carbs straight after workout only and basically carb meals till you go sleep?[/quote]
look into a timed keto diet/timed carb diet (check lyle mcdonalds website) thats the basic principle, no carbs all day until pre workout post workout and one meal.
should have multi quoted here haha
[quote=G-Roy;1100909]Depends on how strict your diet is. I dont think Dave's diet allows any dairy. I dont follow dave's diet as its just one version of keto. For fats I have hard cheeses (low to no carbs), pepperoni, sausage, bacon etc. I get uncured, nitrate free versions. Mostly I use, nuts, avocodos, oils, natural peanut butter, coconut oil/milk.[/quote]
Thanks
Diet is not contest diet, just tryna go from 15% to around 8% in around 12 weeks (quicker if possible!!).
Was thinking to use cheese, pepperoni etc until around 11-12% then get more strict, sound logical?
Also stats are 6'2 247lbs 15%, thinking 300p/50c/150f (2,750cals) to start, 6 meals, sound good, or cut protein a little and up fats? (considering 300p/50c/180f iinstead?)
I think youre right on with the 300/150, I would probably try to keep your carbs as low as possible and not even mess with the 50g. You can adjust from there.
[quote=G-Roy;1101034]I think youre right on with the 300/150, I would probably try to keep your carbs as low as possible and not even mess with the 50g. You can adjust from there.[/quote]
It will be zero direct, but with PB, veg, nuts etc will make up to 50g or less.
Thanks for help.
I've been on Keto 6mths or so and am loving it.. however a buddy asked me if I'll get Gout after being on it to long being that its so high in Protien. I searched this thread and came up with zero info. I know Baldiwankonobie aka Bill after 18mths on Keto had a bout with Gout recently.
If anyone has any info on how prevent getting Gout while doing Keto it would be much appreciated.
Thnx
Gout is caused by high uric acid levels in the blood for prolonged periods of time. This is usually derived by someone eating almost entirely red meat. But even then, they would likely need to have a genetic pre-disposition to gout to get it. The type of meat has more to do with it then the quantity, in other words, high protein diets, don't "Cause" gout.
Rule of thumb: Eat more then one type of meat...regardless of the type of diet. The more protein sources the better.
There is a lot of research about gout out there. The thing that is catching my eye is genetics and kidney function. There are a lot of foods on the list that are supposed to be scapegoats for it, so meat isn't just the only thing. Surprisingly, I saw stuff on lists like spinach, asparagus, legumes, cauliflower, etc... Beer and alcohol were on the list(kidney strain). Also, I have seen studies about how most Americans are chronically dehydrated. Being dehydrated is bad on the kidneys. It looks like it is a kidney issue more than anything, IMO. Again, this is a Louisiana public school education assumption lol. I would take a look at my family history and look for gout history and any kidney abnormalities. Also, make sure that you are drinking plenty of water to keep your kidneys functioning well so you can reduce your risk.
good point I totally missed...your whole world is fucked without proper hydration.
Louisiana is clearly better then California public schooling. LOL
It's such a huge thing to be properly hydrated, but most people don't even think about that being a chink in the armor when something goes wrong. My buddy actually told me the other day that he was like a deer and preferred to get his water from his food. My reply was "Josh, drink a fucking gallon of water a day!"
two things...
First, your wife's hot.
Second, Water from food? That is not possible to get the adequate amount of water. Shit with shakes I drink ~2 gallons a day and hardly even notice.
[quote=gottabecool;1103234]two things...
First, your wife's hot.
Second, Water from food? That is not possible to get the adequate amount of water. Shit with shakes I drink ~2 gallons a day and hardly even notice.[/quote]
Lol, thanks. I haven't wife'd her yet...key word; yet!
Yeah man, it was ridiculous.
soooooooo.....she's technically still available?
LOL, just busting your chops.
I did another whole dirty re-feed day on Sunday. Last week I hit a new low after my first attempt at a re-feed day. 216.2lbs...down from 255 in Jan. All while going through hormonal hell.
I [I]might[/I] have gone overboard though, will find out this weekend.
Thanks Gottabecool and David...
Oh, and I agree, she's def. HAWT!
[quote=gottabecool;1103254]soooooooo.....she's technically still available?
LOL, just busting your chops.
I did another whole dirty re-feed day on Sunday. Last week I hit a new low after my first attempt at a re-feed day. 216.2lbs...down from 255 in Jan. All while going through hormonal hell.
I [I]might[/I] have gone overboard though, will find out this weekend.[/quote]
39 lbs in 24ish weeks is really good. Do you have a show right around the corner?
[quote=DAVIDHARDY;1103901]39 lbs in 24ish weeks is really good. Do you have a show right around the corner?[/quote]
nope, just another self absorbed gym guy. LOL
Never competed, am thinking about maybe giving it a go. But I don't have the time or finances to do it properly right now.
Sup hardy, 1st i wanna say, your Wife is Gorgeous. I know i know shes not your wife yet, but hey close enough.
2nd, since dieting i have seen my strength increase tremendously and i dont get why. Supposely when you diet your suppose to keep the same if not lose strength. Am i doing something wrong? Why am i getting stronger while on KETO?
rboy...same here bud. Makes no sense, I even do long endurance workouts and outlast my heavily carb'd friends.
Goes against common thought for sure.
I get stronger, too. I don't lose strength until about 2 weeks out.
Gottabecool same here bud. i outlast a lot of my buddies being on keto which is crazy to me. Maybe my body likes to use fats better than carbs for energy. I feel more energetic and stronger using fats than i was when i was using carbs. But im growing stronger every week. Maybe i wont get to that point of weakness until i start fat cycling and doing cardio 2 hrs a day. We will see.
guys is it ok to do drop down sets in combinations with supersets when in keto? Will this help or hold me back? Also will it benefit more to do low volume and do more heavy sets (6-8 rep) on keto or is it better to do high volume such as a drop down sets where i do 10 reps then drop down the weight about 30 pounds and go until failure? What works for you guys?
[quote=DAVIDHARDY;1105140]I get stronger, too. I don't lose strength until about 2 weeks out.[/quote]
when you do lose strength, is it a significant amount?
[quote=rboy6699;1106515]when you do lose strength, is it a significant amount?[/quote]
I'm two weeks out today and used more poundage than when I started the keto diet. You will notice your strength and endurance are vastly improved.
Hey guys i have a question. I tried the keto diet for 2 weeks earlier this spring and had some decent results but felt like shit. I want to give it another go after seeing so many people have awesome results.
I am just starting my 3rd week of a 6 week h-drol cycle and wonder if i should wait til after pct to try keto again or if i should start now. My goal is to drop some bf and lean mass gain. I'm 5'10 188 @ 13%. The only carbs I am currently taking in are 1/3 cup oatmeal with 1st meal and 40g waxy maize pre and post wo. I still train for functional muscle like most d1 football schools with legs and shoulders monday and thursday and chest, back and arms tuesday and friday.
Would I be able to still eat the waxy the way i am now as my only carb source since i will burn through it pretty quick or no? I don't know if i would be able to train the way I do with any benefit without SOME carbs as my heartrate hovers around 130 since i superset all antagonistic muscles
Thanks
hi guys just wanted to get opinions on bcaa powder. i have one that i want to use but each serving has 13gm carbs. is this ok if i use it post workout only or should i not use it?
[quote=rboy6699;1106513]guys is it ok to do drop down sets in combinations with supersets when in keto? Will this help or hold me back? Also will it benefit more to do low volume and do more heavy sets (6-8 rep) on keto or is it better to do high volume such as a drop down sets where i do 10 reps then drop down the weight about 30 pounds and go until failure? What works for you guys?[/quote]
Wouldn't do it. You'll burn up muscle for fuel, and in turn, you'll lose strength.
[quote=rboy6699;1106515]when you do lose strength, is it a significant amount?[/quote]
It was a noticeable difference, but I think part of it was just being slap worn out.
[quote=heaply;1108931]hi guys just wanted to get opinions on bcaa powder. i have one that i want to use but each serving has 13gm carbs. is this ok if i use it post workout only or should i not use it?[/quote]
If you do choose to use it, you have the right idea. Post workout will give you the greatest benefit.
I use volume workouts still (Usually ~90 minutes, every other day), but I hardly do any cardio. Just recently started 10-15 minutes post-wo. I also drink BCAA's while lifting and finish the drink during cardio. Deep down, I hope that helps. LOL.
[B]Veggie / Protein days:[/B]
Sorry if this has already been asked. I searched the threads for a few minutes and didn't see the answer quickly.
My question is in regards to the Veggie/Protein days:
1. I'm assuming you cut out all the fats (yolks, almonds, peanut butter, mac oil, etc...). For the egg meals, do you still maintain the same amount of protein but just use whites?
2. Can you add green veggies to every meal (e.g. green beans, broccoli, asparagus)? Is there a limit to how many veggies you eat (e.g. no more than a cup per meal)?
3. How is this implemented. Just do one per week and see what happens. If you do more than one do you do the days back to back?
[quote=DAVIDHARDY;1103237]Lol, thanks. I haven't wife'd her yet...key word; yet!
Yeah man, it was ridiculous.[/quote]
Then what would you suggest Hardy? I dont want to burn any muscle. what do usually do? Also i know i mentioned drop set and you said not good. What about superset? ex, Tris and bis? will this work? where should i keep my reps for best results during keto dieting to hold on to my mass?
[quote=Frosty;171883]Yes, when carbs are low or zero. If you have plenty of carbs PWO it's pointless and a waste of money to use glutamine for this purpose.
Glutamine easily converts to glucose so your body can turn it into glucose and then glycogen.
If you're doing low volume and low reps on keto, not much point in using glutamine, IMO, because those workouts use little glycogen. If you train with a bit more volume and reps, then yes, I think it's useful for keto PWO.[/quote]
Call me slow, or call me naive, but what the fuck does PWO stand for?
PWO = Post Workout
[quote=rboy6699;1109557]Then what would you suggest Hardy? I dont want to burn any muscle. what do usually do? Also i know i mentioned drop set and you said not good. What about superset? ex, Tris and bis? will this work? where should i keep my reps for best results during keto dieting to hold on to my mass?[/quote]
A lot of guys use DC style, quick, simple effective.
[quote=gottabecool;1109760]A lot of guys use DC style, quick, simple effective.[/quote]
What is DC style?
[quote=rboy6699;1110034]What is DC style?[/quote]
dogcrapp training protocols.. do a google search for info, theres tonnes out there on it.
[quote=DAVIDHARDY;1109352]If you do choose to use it, you have the right idea. Post workout will give you the greatest benefit.[/quote]
im just concerned about the carb content. i dont think this will get me out of ketosis but i want confirmation before proceeding use.
[quote=gottabecool;1109760]A lot of guys use DC style, quick, simple effective.[/quote]
Yeah, I like DC And HIT myself. I just don't go over 8 reps while dieting. I actually stick to a 4 to 6 rep range and use a variety of exercises for 1 to 2 sets an exercise.
[quote=heaply;1110078]im just concerned about the carb content. i dont think this will get me out of ketosis but i want confirmation before proceeding use.[/quote]
Those carbs will be stored as glycogen almost immediately. I'd use it if I was lean enough already. Just don't get all crazy with it and use too much.
Frosty; I have been on the keto diet for many months now. After a long layoff, I started out last year in really bad shape, at about 24% bodyfat. As time went on and I improved, the diet got tighter, and now I've reached a point where I'm about 8% bodyfat. My goal is to eventually get into contest shape, at 2-3%
As I've got leaner, I assumed that there would be no end in site and that it would be just a matter of time before I reached my ultimate goal. My training is great, my strength is up, but to my surprise, I seem to have reached a plateau, or at least it seems that the fat loss has slowed down considerably.
My diet is actually a hybrid keto diet, because I get carbs from my whey protein, (11 carb. grams per pack; 30 grams of protein), and oatmeal on training days.
I didn't anticipate this happening. My question is, for what possible scientific reason is there that fat loss would slow down, all else remaining equal? I want to continue to improve gradually and maintain my condition. What can I do to expidite my fat loss without doing a drastic fix that would throw me off course?
I just wanted to share that I used keto diet last year and this year to get ready for my 4 shows. Last year I followed it the way dave coached me and I came in very flat and "tiny" I liked how I felt on the diet so I wanted to try something different this year to see if it would work better. This year I did variations of a whole cheat day , half cheat day or cheat after a certain time. This year I stayed full all the way to the show and look full at my show!! My strength increased toward my show and I even put on muscle from the NY Pro show to the Tampa pro show(10 weeks in between)I think the leaner you get the more you can eat(I did started with whole cheat days, I did that as I got leaner) I think you should experiment with your body to see what works. When I cheated I had whatever I wanted. Just thought I would share:)