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I did not miss that part. My posts have nothing to do with if someone uses var they will gain muscle. So if they want to lose need to be strict with diet

The point I am trying to make is:
There...

I don't think anyone here said var was ineffective for cutting

we said you should use diet and training first and not resort to AAS simply to lose weight

the misconceptions are there are crazy!

if you use x "you can get same results in a few weeks that would take years otherwise" :no: actually saw this posted on another board

they think if you...