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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex500 View Post
    Matty- I have sort of a serious training question for you. Is the high reps because you've gone past the point of diminishing returns when it comes to going really heavy? I used to see posts from you going insanely heavy and I used to do the same. I realized a few years ago have the mindset of "I must go to 6 plates on squats or deadlifts" really took me to a place of no growth, sore joints, and being burnt out.

    I haven't gone over 405 on squats and 405 on deadlifts in over 3 years and my growth has accelerated.

    just curious your thoughts.
    U know originally this real high rep thing started as a competition at my gym before thanksgiving but I have changed my training a ton the last year or so. I was the same way.. I use to come in and tell myself oh I need to deadlift or squat 600lbs. Now I focus more on the muscle and I never went over 500x8-10 on either of those lifts where 585 was common for me for around 6 or more. For years my buddy and very good national bodybuilder told me I needed to stop lifting like a powerlifter and more like a bodybuilder. I finally listened to him last year and focused more on the muscle and movement instead of driving the weight up and only working my core, joints, and tendons... The result was it helped me gain 20lbs of stage weight in a year when the offseason I was the most lax about my diet and supplements in a very long time, especially because I thought I wasn't competing last year but thankfully did lol. I really started to read a ton from John meadows and followed similar workouts to his. I feel much better and my growth has increased a ton. When I go high reps I am very sore for a few days. My training has finally became more bodybuilding specific and not a powerlifter/bodybuilder.. Heck I have flat benched twice in the last two years and my chest is my best body part. The ego lifting days for me are gone. I am only 24 but have been lifting for a decade so I notice little nagging things in my body and want to focus on longevity as well.

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    damn impressive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derik Farnsworth View Post
    not trying to be mean either,, but his depth in his 315 challenge weeks ago had a lot of 3/4ish reps .. hes got a sway in his back [ which means tight hip flexors on one side] which i know effects his depth..
    if you're going to post and post squats vids expect critisim ..ive been getting it for over 20 yrs.. this was just friendly advice .. i know hes going to try and do bros vs pros and i know how Bryan judges depth.. better now to fix it then get reps taken away for missing the mark
    Derek how many did troy bang out w 405
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyH7688 View Post
    I appreciate the advice Derik. I know you have way more knowledge on how the body works when it comes to these things and what could be wrong. I will work on it. I am very new to this high rep thing, so I appreciate the help. I only mention you because I consider you the best at this stuff soo.. why not reach for the stars lol.
    I wasn't sure I could have more respect for Matty, until reading that reply.. not many take advice as well as you do..

    You're a beast, class act and one strong MFer.. get vid

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    Default Come...come now....Tom Platz 500lbs x 23 reps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Aceto View Post
    Derek how many did troy bang out w 405

    the only time you see troy near 405 is when he is visting california and is driving in rt 405..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyH7688 View Post
    I appreciate the advice Derik. I know you have way more knowledge on how the body works when it comes to these things and what could be wrong. I will work on it. I am very new to this high rep thing, so I appreciate the help. I only mention you because I consider you the best at this stuff soo.. why not reach for the stars lol.
    matt, when i was starting i was about where your depth is now.. it was an eye opener but its what made the difference as the many many yrs went on [ yea im old lol] get your adductors an abductors worked on .. have your illacius worked on and you're depth will be easy to to reach for sure ..
    keep posting vids , i need someone chasing me ;0)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSMUSCL81 View Post
    damn impressive
    thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by lastson View Post
    I wasn't sure I could have more respect for Matty, until reading that reply.. not many take advice as well as you do..

    You're a beast, class act and one strong MFer.. get vid

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    thanks bro! I gotta give Derik credit where credit is due. He is one of the best high rep squatters in the world on top of being one of the best ART guys in the world. He is way more knowledgable than me on this subject so I will always welcome his advice even if I did 100 reps of 405 lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by kilsong View Post
    Platz is king.
    Quote Originally Posted by Derik Farnsworth View Post
    the only time you see troy near 405 is when he is visting california and is driving in rt 405..lol
    Lol funny how that works.. I remember when I first started getting into bodybuilding, I use to watch the videos of some pros and be so mad and confused that I was "stronger" than some of them in lifts and obviously looked nothing like them. I learned real quick though that there is about 10 million other things that goes into it besides the amount of weight you are doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derik Farnsworth View Post
    matt, when i was starting i was about where your depth is now.. it was an eye opener but its what made the difference as the many many yrs went on [ yea im old lol] get your adductors an abductors worked on .. have your illacius worked on and you're depth will be easy to to reach for sure ..
    keep posting vids , i need someone chasing me ;0)
    Thank you again for the tips and help! I admit I am fully to blame for not getting anywhere near enough work done with a massage therapist or ART specialist, on top of not stretching enough and using the foam roller/tennis ball. I am my own worse enemy. I have actually started taking a more active interest in it and researching it a ton more to get done, thanks to your ART videos. It is unfortunate in my location there isn't a whole lot of qualified people to go to, and no one near your level.

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    I find that once I get to 405 that stopping slightly above parallel is harder than going ass to ankles even w/o bouncing at the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyH7688 View Post
    U know originally this real high rep thing started as a competition at my gym before thanksgiving but I have changed my training a ton the last year or so. I was the same way.. I use to come in and tell myself oh I need to deadlift or squat 600lbs. Now I focus more on the muscle and I never went over 500x8-10 on either of those lifts where 585 was common for me for around 6 or more. For years my buddy and very good national bodybuilder told me I needed to stop lifting like a powerlifter and more like a bodybuilder. I finally listened to him last year and focused more on the muscle and movement instead of driving the weight up and only working my core, joints, and tendons... The result was it helped me gain 20lbs of stage weight in a year when the offseason I was the most lax about my diet and supplements in a very long time, especially because I thought I wasn't competing last year but thankfully did lol. I really started to read a ton from John meadows and followed similar workouts to his. I feel much better and my growth has increased a ton. When I go high reps I am very sore for a few days. My training has finally became more bodybuilding specific and not a powerlifter/bodybuilder.. Heck I have flat benched twice in the last two years and my chest is my best body part. The ego lifting days for me are gone. I am only 24 but have been lifting for a decade so I notice little nagging things in my body and want to focus on longevity as well.

    Thanks for the response I'm right with you man. I was forced to change my way of training. I was literally taking 5-8 ibuprofen each leg workout my patellar tendonitis was so bad. I was getting pec strains weekly and constant biceps strains...not to mention painful elbows.

    I don't have pain anywhere now and I'm leaner and bigger than ever. I'm 6 years older than you and I wish I would have smartened up when i was 24 or 25 so you are definitely making a good decision changing things up and thinking longterm.

    The other thing that got me was even besides the injury I realized there has to be another way to get big. You are not going to get stronger forever or every pro woudl be deadlifting 1,500 pounds and benching 1,100 pounds. There is a point you will just not get stronger as far as total poundage so I had to find out how to grow without getting stronger in a 1rm sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -BLP- View Post
    i can do one then go sleep tired

    Same here. I don't understand how people do such huge squat sets. I'd struggle with 135x20.. I can get into the 400 range for sets of 6-8 with perfect form and full ROM.. but trying to go high rep with ANY weight just kills me. I will always follow squats with sets of 20-40 on leg press though.

    Guess that's a sign that I should drop the weight for a bit and start shooting for reps.. ugh.

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    You're strong but you definitely need to go deeper... You're not even hitting parallel.. Would be surprised if you could go more than like 12+ atg..

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    nice squatting man...with knee wraps you get that spring out of the bottom so hitting depth wont be a problem with the pop you get..Crushing it as always.

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    Dang. Just dang.

    BTW it was feeling like and old school dungeon gym for the length of this thread... thx for that little flashback to like... gawd.. somewhere in the late 80s...
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    Quote Originally Posted by D_T View Post
    I find that once I get to 405 that stopping slightly above parallel is harder than going ass to ankles even w/o bouncing at the bottom.
    I noticed this the other day. There is no way I can stop above a 90 when doing anything above 315 or 405. Harder on the knees too

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