I'm Poorish

**NuMass** · 02-09-2013, 03:40 PM

ive been training for a year 4 times a week lately. I have a huge history of training in the past but a 5year drug addiction stole that from me. any way my diet is clean for the most part. I weigh 236 right now although I have more fat then I want. Imlooking for the least expensive way to do my first cycle I.E. aas, pct, the whole shabang. on a poor mans budget. looking for lbm and maybe some fat loss any help would be amaziing thank you

**joe d** · 02-09-2013, 06:16 PM

you can make a cheap, easy, good cycle with dbol, nolvadex, and clomid only.

if your interested in hearing more details give me your age and tell me how your overall health is.

**heavyiron** · 02-09-2013, 07:12 PM

Testosterone and Nolvadex is dirt cheap and effective.

**TheRage93** · 02-09-2013, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by joe d

you can make a cheap, easy, good cycle with dbol, nolvadex, and clomid only.

if your interested in hearing more details give me your age and tell me how your overall health is.

I agree. Dbol only is super good. Dirt cheap too.

Big Barry · 02-09-2013, 11:05 PM

Cornflakes and Dbol.

**NuMass** · 02-09-2013, 11:51 PM

I am 21. My health is the best its been in years. what sort of gains should I expect and what source would you suggest. speaking in terms of quality for price. shipping time. and of course the chances that it will make it to me safely? BTW thank you for any and all advice.

**Waylon** · 02-10-2013, 03:04 AM

...get a job, pay your taxes, wait 3 months, n get the good shit

**heavyiron** · 02-10-2013, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by NuMass

I am 21. My health is the best its been in years. what sort of gains should I expect and what source would you suggest. speaking in terms of quality for price. shipping time. and of course the chances that it will make it to me safely? BTW thank you for any and all advice.

You cannot ask for sources here on the open board but just spend some time reading and participating in the forums and you will figure it out.

Thanks!

**joe d** · 02-10-2013, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by NuMass

I am 21. My health is the best its been in years. what sort of gains should I expect and what source would you suggest. speaking in terms of quality for price. shipping time. and of course the chances that it will make it to me safely? BTW thank you for any and all advice.

in all honesty i dont think now is the time for you to start with aas. your funds are limited and you are pretty new to training.

if you want to run a dbol cycle id to 15mg dbol first thing in the morning, 15mg dbol 6 hours after the first dose, and 10mg nolva 1x per day for 12 weeks. the day after your last dbol dose start pct. 1 week of clomid at 50mg 2x per day, then 2 weeks of clomid at 50mg 1x per day.

during the cycle you will want to drink lots of water, eat fresh mixed berries daily, and consume no alcohol or other liver toxic stuff.

dbol is liver toxic but with these doses and the support from the extra water and berries you shouldnt have any issues.

**NuMass** · 02-10-2013, 10:45 AM

Thanks for all the concern and informing me on the rules. I thinking a test cycle would be better considering what ive heard about not keeping gains from dbol. not an expert but from what ive read this seems to be true. can I ask about reliability. and if I were to run test would it be done the same way as dbol

**NuMass** · 02-10-2013, 10:47 AM

also how do you guys feel about the legal ph' from IML. I.E. dmz m-sten, etc.

**Waylon** · 02-10-2013, 11:11 AM

I have a feeling this is all going to end badly for you, stop being so cheap, and look into your decision some more.

You clearly haven't thought this out, so why half ass something that WILL have some effect (or consequences) on you the rest of your life... stop trying to be a Walmart Bodybuilder because the only person you are going to heart with that mentality is yourself and your long term health.
Dude, wait a couple months, save up and invest in your health and future and at least do a legit run if you are gonna do something as serious and risky as anabolics.

Like you wanna buy prohormones which you will end up needing multiple things of, so you're going to pay the same price as the real shit for 1/4 the results, so why not just get better real shit?... again, Walmart Bodybuilding

**NuMass** · 02-10-2013, 11:55 AM

I want to use as few chems as possible for a first cycle. seems like the safest for me. lets forget what I said about price. im not looking for cheap as in poor quality. But, inexpensive as in best bang for my buck and safest for my body. ive seen a source that has bulk products that were suggested above for aroun 500 dollars. also ive added up what I would need for a ph cycle and its much cheaper than that. I personally am not an expert AT ALL. thats why I joined this site. But regardless thanks. also take in to consideration that I going to do more research before I jump in the pool. so I more than likely would have more cash by the time I actually do this

Big Barry · 02-10-2013, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by NuMass

lets forget what I said about price. im not looking for cheap as in poor quality. But, inexpensive as in best bang for my buck and safest for my body.

I laugh whenever I see the title of this thread, just say if you want a more appropriate title. LOL