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    Quote Originally Posted by BadassRoxx View Post
    Something else I want 2 mention about the use of Tren that I noticed when I went back 2 my notes. When I used Tren E(Enanthate) vs Tren A(Acetate), which is the version I used this time around, figuring there was no essential difference, I discovered that I had no Tren cough at all. Tren E, might utilize a different pathway of production of the enzyme prostagladin, which are made up of EFA's(essential fatty acids). Anyway, they are enzymes that act on a variety of cells such as vascular and smoothe muscle cells causing constriction or diiation, on platelets causing aggregation or disaggregation & on spinal neurons causing pain.
    With that said, I noticed in my notes that this time I used Tren A & caught a mild dose of the cough. So I'm thinking that Tren A utilizes the other form of production of prostagladin which dictates Bronchial constriction vs Muscle contraction. Which certainly could explain Tren Cough.
    NAC and a lot of GLA should get rid of the cough if Prostaglandins are what is causing it. The inflammatory prostaglandins such as arachidonic acid are formed through the COX-2 pathway which stuff like asprin inhibits.

    The EFA GLA also inhibits this formation, so in high doses it should be effective in reducing it. But that would probably also reduce protein synthesis to some degree.

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostaglandins[/ame]

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    Let it be known that I'm not female - as may be assumed from my name - but I have ran Tren many many times -- for about 5 years it was a staple of my cycling -- I now don't tolerate it quite as well so I've sworn off of it....But being male or female doesn't change the fact of the cough often associated with it -- one observation that I've made of others and myself at one time is Tren often causes some site soarness in smaller muscles and normally Ace is the ester with most troubles in tren -- my observation is that using ace and needing to pin more often and smaller muscles being sorta outa the question -- alot of folks turn to quads - which is wrapped up in vessles -- so a large percentage of people doing this mistaken Tren Cough for simply nipping a vessle or vein -- which will cause the taste, constriction and cough with most any compound.

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    Tren cough is usually caused by the amount of B. alcohol used as a solvent....100 times the amount per 10ml than test. The alcohol is released in part through the lungs, causing the cough. It is also why it has a bad rap with the kidneys, because they filter the larger part of the alcohol out of the blood. EOD dosing can cause kidney damage.

    This relates only to tren derived from pellets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh Penman View Post
    Tren Enth is less likely to cause 'tren cough' it's all about the ester and how fast it enters your system plus the carrier chemicals involved. Also certain labs produce products that eliminate the 'cough syndrome'
    Yeah, I believe Tren E has a longer length ester than Tren A, that could be why it didn't produce "Tren cough" bc it allows 4 a slower rise in levels of prostaglandin, the enzyme I mentioned b4 that is responsible 4 either bronchial constriction, or muscle constriction. It's purely speculation on my part but maybe the longer ester does allow 4 a slower release & a better acclimation of the drug in me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sistersteel View Post
    NAC and a lot of GLA should get rid of the cough if Prostaglandins are what is causing it. The inflammatory prostaglandins such as arachidonic acid are formed through the COX-2 pathway which stuff like asprin inhibits.

    The EFA GLA also inhibits this formation, so in high doses it should be effective in reducing it. But that would probably also reduce protein synthesis to some degree.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostaglandins
    Thanks 4 the info, I did not know that. I'm writting this down 4 future reference.

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    is not tren quite strong androgen.
    at least methyletrienolon which is just oral tren are strongest androgen on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxititer View Post
    is not tren quite strong androgen.
    at least methyletrienolon which is just oral tren are strongest androgen on earth.


    ...and oral tren will turn your liver into Swiss cheese. The damage is quick and irreparable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sistersteel View Post
    ...and oral tren will turn your liver into Swiss cheese. The damage is quick and irreparable.
    not sure about that.

    side effect of any methylated drug on liver depends on dose and time of exposure to this dose.

    for example, how daily average dose of 100mcg of MT can be more toxic then 50mg of dbol.

    I know few guys who used MT and non of them reported problems with liver.

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    With regards to Sistersteel's post about tren allowing her to keep her weight down, which type of tren is most effective for this? In other words, do you get better fat loss with Tren Enanthate, Acetate, or the oral preparation (methyletrienolon) as mentioned by maxititer? Thank you.

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    Yes. Some go go as high as 50 mg every 2-3 days.

    Tami has used it lightly. Although it did help a little hardness it made her moody along with her joints aching.
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    How come alot of men I know that have used it reported major short fuse syndrome and needed anger management said it made them flip out over the littlest things. I never had that problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammyp View Post
    arent we moody at this stage anyway?

    lol, no but for some reason I think tren affects men differently then women? all I know is all the guys I know who have used or are, have major anger issues on it but I never did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STACEYK View Post
    lol, no but for some reason I think tren affects men differently then women? all I know is all the guys I know who have used or are, have major anger issues on it but I never did.
    I think mood alterations are controllable. Once you are aware you are getting 'irritated' you can correct it by shifting your focus and changing your emotional state. I guess some people are more aware of their emotions and the control we truly do have over them than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STACEYK View Post
    How come alot of men I know that have used it reported major short fuse syndrome and needed anger management said it made them flip out over the littlest things. I never had that problem
    I had that problem, Stacey. I was a nasty, NASTY person when the dose was too high.

    ....and when you feel the "twinge" - walk away and do not speak. That's my advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STACEYK View Post
    How come alot of men I know that have used it reported major short fuse syndrome and needed anger management said it made them flip out over the littlest things. I never had that problem
    Sides are typically dose dependant. Men typically take more mg per kg of bodyweight than ladies.

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