Anyone tried primo?

[nic902]

I think most women don't expect the sides to be as severe as they sometimes can be or they havent REALLY done as much research as they should. I would expect/consider the worst possible sides before making the decision.

Also, I would think the length of time and amount you used would play a factor in noticing any possible improvements. (please, correct me Sassy or Tammy if I'm wrong)

[tammyp]

eq and primo IMO are similar. I would not go over 100 mg weekly in either or risk some side effects.

[sassy69]

Ouch that blows....let me ask you what women using eq? I need to really develop my lat width for physique

OH press

[MichelleMosher77]

I just take whatever my coach tells me to take...I know its a huge mistake not to do any research on my own trusting others is my biggest fault. My cycle for my off he wants me on var/primo/eq

[sassy69]

I been off for a week so far Im taking 4-6 weeks off before starting my next cycle...

Generally you can get an idea of how long you should be expecting the sides to hang around if you look at the detection time of compound of interest. For ex:

EQ: 4-5 months
primo depot: 4-5 weeks
winstrol - oral - 2-3 weeks
winstrol depot (inject): 2 months
test prop: 2 weeks

This is the time that the compound is still detectable in your body - obviously as it attenuates at the rate of its half-life once you discountinue use, it will be less and less - so "detectable" doesn't mean it will be sides all the way up to that point - but it gives you an idea of the duration of the sides - e.g. EQ is several months, so the acne, etc. will reduce. Voice change seems to be a long time just because it can be such a subtle but noticeable change (particularly if you are constantly aware of it).

Since you ran primo and I"m gonna say stacking it w/ masteron added to the androgenic sides happening. If you run anything other than var for your next cycle, I'm gonna say its going to have a cumulative effect on your voice. So just keep that in mind when you're running back to back cycles. 4-6 weeks doesn't really mean a sufficient time off for things to totally clear. We'd generally recommend time off = time on, but either way you still have to look at the detection time of your compounds, the compounds you stack, the dose of all of it and the frequency over time / time between that you cycle.

[MichelleMosher77]

sassy69,

Thank you for the information thats a lot of stuff I did not know. Since Im not stepping on stage till April or May next year, maybe I need to take longer then 6 weeks off since I been running a cycle since March till July.

[sassy69]

sassy69,

Thank you for the information thats a lot of stuff I did not know. Since Im not stepping on stage till April or May next year, maybe I need to take longer then 6 weeks off since I been running a cycle since March till July.

Don't know if you've seen this, but lots of good tidbits in there: Women & Drugs

RE: scheduliing cycles - since you know your target time frame this far out, you should look at what you want to do between now and then, and work backwards. For ex, if you plan to compete in April/May 2014, you'd probably be scheduling a cycle at least at 12 weeks out, possibly a full 16 weeks to dial into that show date. That brings you back to Jan/Feb as a starting point. That is roughly 6 months away. If you want to do a bulker you might want to do that from Aug - Oct, take Nov - Dec off and let your diet / training maintain. That gives your body some time to assimilate the gains you made as well. And then go into Jan /Feb with whatever is your contest cycle.

I'm guessing because I don't know what your goals are, but that's how I'd go about scheduling instead of just trying stuff as you go. Have a reason for every cycle you do, particularly if you have specific target dates to schedule around.

[nic902]

Great posts Sassy!

[sassy69]

I just take whatever my coach tells me to take...I know its a huge mistake not to do any research on my own trusting others is my biggest fault. My cycle for my off he wants me on var/primo/eq

IMO its also fair to have your coach explain WHY that recommendation. Are there any down sides? Are there any alternatives?

I always look at coaches like - I'm paying you money and I want to gain knowledge from the experience as well so I can make intelligent decisions since it is ultimately MY body that has to deal w/ the results AND the sides. In other words.. NOT yours. If a coach gives you shitty advice, doesn't give explanation for why and just assumes you follow blindly, and then something happens to you from it, all they are going to say is "sorry, sucks to be you". THAT is why you have a right to ask these questions - YOU are the one w/ skin in the game - not the coach.

Also, asking shouldn't be seen as an insult to the coach - a good coach can readily explain why. A bullshit coach can't.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

I am working with several female pros am I sorting their cycles given to them by their male trainers. In each casr though the trainer is well respected in the industry, they are not able to answer these basic questions about the drugs they are outlining cof their clients:

1. What is the half life of each drug?
2. Is the specific compound anabolic or androgenic in chemical structure?
3. What are the appreciable side effects of each drug?
4. What is a proper protocol for PCT after this cycle?

Of the 3 I am currently helping none of their trainers could answer half of the questions. Thats a problem and THE REASON we are fortunate have sasy and tammy here to put real world science and application into perspective for women.

Work your cycle backwards like sassy suggested. Its how you sort out your nutrtion right? Also... depending on experience I think primo every 4th day for a total of 150mg per week max is reasonable and combinable with anavar and or mast. As a tule EQ is overdosed by most UGL suppliers. I suggest FBB and the alike stay away. Strength sports or those with difficulty eating are another story. 50-75 primo per week for a newBs.

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