Next Step?

[athlon70]

Hi all, Female friend has just finished her 3rd Anavar cycle.

What would be the next step?

NPP?

She trains 6 days a week, 1 body group per day, Minimal cardio, Macros are 40/40/20, 2300 Cals per day.

Trains like a monster and lifts as heavy as a man.

Stats: 42 yo, 3 kids (no more).

PS: happy with the first 2 VAR courses, the 3rd has not had the same result. No sides apart from some Acne, each course was between 8-12 weeks and 10 -20 mg ED.

Thanks.

[tammyp]

she would not like the sides of NPP. what exactly is the goal? does she compete? which division? id like more info please.

Potential Sides:

•Water retention
•Acne (face or shoulders)
•Oily skin
•Hairloss
•Sore throat / cracky or deepening voice
•Facial hair growth
•Clitoral enlargement and increased sensitivity
•Interrupted period – would typically return the first full month after the duration of the EQ detection time following the last injection


I would say water retention being the most common factor, followed by deep voice.

[athlon70]

Thanks for the reply

no she does not compete, just wanting to get some shape and lose body fat from the bum, hips and thighs.

will never be a small girl, quite content with tthat likes to lift things and push herself.

if not NPP Nything else?

thanks

[tammyp]

I personally would suggest 20 mg var for 12 -14 weeks. if you really want to try something else, turnibol would be my suggestion. 10 mg daily for 12-14 weeks.

[tammyp]

and for the record, diet will dictate the fat loss. not the drug.

[athlon70]

Yes I know that but more muscle will help

and it appears to be taboo, that someone who is overweight to begin with should consider building muscle from that starting point.

[sassy69]

I personally would suggest 20 mg var for 12 -14 weeks. if you really want to try something else, turnibol would be my suggestion. 10 mg daily for 12-14 weeks.

These recommendations are coming from the point of view of managing sides. People who have run var frequently want to "go to the next level" after one or more cycles. The hitch is that anavar, in terms of drugs, is a pretty great drug in that is produces good, maintainable results w/ fairly minimal and predictable sides. I'd consider oral turinabol comparable, maybe w/ the exception that "results" take a little longer to show up.

Basically anything beyond these two, you are starting to look at much more aggressive androgenic sides. As I always say, ain't nuttin' for free. In choosing to use something to "go to the next level", it also comes w/ owning and being responsible for the sides that also go to the next level. Most injectables are more aggressive in both results and sides. You should completely expect to notice some voice change, acne, water retention, jacked up BP, possibly some emotional changes as well. The additional issue is that the hall-lives of the esters are longer so the effects can take several weeks to months to clear.

Its not that she "shouldn't" use any of these, but it is critical that she is realistic in understanding the sides that come w/ any of them, and also the fact that it is more of a personal experiment. Different sides show up differently and w/ different intensity on different people.

I would suggest your wife read up here: http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthrea...omen-amp-Drugs

[sassy69]

Yes I know that but more muscle will help

and it appears to be taboo, that someone who is overweight to begin with should consider building muscle from that starting point.

The issue w/ being less than lean and running cycles has a lot to do w/ expectations. Sure more muscle is better - but a couple of things:

- If you're not already lean and start running a cycle w/ the expectation that you'll go straight to lean - that won't necessarily be the result. Steroids promote lean muscle mass. If you're still carrying say more than 15-18% bodyfat, the immediate result can be more "thick" than the lean that was anticipated. That's just the nature of accelerated mass building. This is where we get back to the diet. Just because you're running a cycle doesn't necessarily mean you'll lean out. The steroid can only work with the diet & energy demands that it works with. And then you have to give additional attention to the nature of the particular steroid. If it aromatizes more, expect more water retention.

I think especially for women there can be a conflict between the envisioned end result and the reality of the process of getting there. I'll draw the parallel of guys doing a bulker cycle where they may spend the next 6 weeks gaining 30 lb accompanied by moon face and puffiness to get a couple more lb of actual lean muscle mass. They might be ok w/ that. Women maybe not. Its uncomfortable enough getting the bloat from that time of the month. The other more aggressive sides like voice change and things that can be more outwardly apparent to others. These things also stay w/ you until the compound clears (read: somewhere on the order of a compound's detection time.)

The other thing w/ the more aggressive compounds & not being lean - you will gain size for sure, and it takes a really tightly balanced diet to NOT gain bodyfat as well. If the goal is to gain muscle mass, then you wan to eat to grow. But that means gaining some bodyfat as well. If you're not lean already, that means you'll be getting bigger and you need to be ok w/ that. If you are doing something like a competition cutter, the steroid is not really going to be promoting much lean muscle mass because you're not eating to grow. The real value of the steroid there, is the preservation of (or minimization of loss of) existing lean muscle mass and recovery.

Sorry, I probably sound like I'm rambling, but the place I wanted to get to is going back to being women in all this - it can be harder to drop the additional weight as well. The impact of the steroid on the woman's hormone profile is all over the place - so its just important to be open to working with the compound, both in understanding if the diet is not specifically about leaning out on its own, the steroid is most likely going to produce a "bigger" body in general. Additionally to sides - some sides can be adjusted w/ changes in diet - e.g. water retention - reduce the dose a lttle, adjust the diet to maybe do a little carb cycling to drop some of the water. Taking the route that frequently works for guys - like adding in an aromatase in hibitor - doesn't work well for women. The addition of sides from ancillaries trying to regulate one particular side just really complicates the whole thing and can put a whole other set of sides into the equation. To that end, it means finetuning things through non-drug tweaks, and sometimes, just flat out being patient w/ the sides and living w/ it as the cost of running the cycle until it is over and the compound has cleared.