PSL Testoviron

[joebig]

Have any of you guys tried out PSL's Testoviron? I noticed something strange on his. Go on his website and look at the ring around the neck of the amp. It is a lime green color. All the Bayer amps that I have seen have a teal ring around the neck. Lots of fakes use lime green, just like the fake Greek Testoviron. Now look at a pic of these that are the real ones. Notice how the color of the amp of the neck is teal? So how come PSL is selling ones with a different color neck than the real ones and the same exact lime green color as the fake Greek ones have? Kinda strange to me. Scroll down to the bottom to see the pics:

http://sorebuttcheeks.wordpress.com/...toviron-depot/

PSL Testoviron:
http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/inje...1mlamp-pg.html

Notice the difference????

[soujerz]

I ordered 4 PSL Test E EP line and 5 testoviron depots just to try out. Ive been running both so i can't tell for sure what works and doesn't. EP seems to be good to go for some reason i get PIP with the EP Test E nothing crazy but still noticeable, I;ve only used 2 of the testovirons so far but both measured to .8 - .9ml in the syringe and heres a pick. 4 looked the same (red dot) and 1 was different looking (blue dot).photo.jpg

From the website you posted the blue dot one looks the same but the red dot ones are different. I wonder if the red dot ones are real or not?

[soujerz]

Heres a pic from some testovirons my friend sent that his Brother was going to take I think these are definitely legit. I have non idea where he got them.1651-0.jpg

[TheRage93]

Uh oh.

[joebig]

All 3 versions of those testoviron are counterfeit. Bayer never made any with a red dot. They are made in Germany and resold in Thai pharmacies. The lime green ring ones your friend got are well known fakes but still work so there must be test in there. The other ones you posted blue dot and red dot (Bayer never made any with red dot) are counterfeit if they only have .8-.9. Every Bayer amp is overfilled to 1.2 or so. The same is true for legit Bayer Primo. Germany and US are the top 2 countries with the most strict guidelines for manufacturing pharmaceuticals. No way would any German made product be underfilled so that is a dead give away right there. The amps you posted with blue dot look legit by looking at them but the fact that they are underfilled ruins it. Look at the label closely on your amp. Do you see where the label over laps? It should be perfectly even. If it is even the slightest bit off then it is fake.

[LookinFit75]

Should have gone with the Omnas

[Bokito]

what u mean by this? that he should buyed the omnas?

[soujerz]

All 3 versions of those testoviron are counterfeit. Bayer never made any with a red dot. They are made in Germany and resold in Thai pharmacies. The lime green ring ones your friend got are well known fakes but still work so there must be test in there. The other ones you posted blue dot and red dot (Bayer never made any with red dot) are counterfeit if they only have .8-.9. Every Bayer amp is overfilled to 1.2 or so. The same is true for legit Bayer Primo. Germany and US are the top 2 countries with the most strict guidelines for manufacturing pharmaceuticals. No way would any German made product be underfilled so that is a dead give away right there. The amps you posted with blue dot look legit by looking at them but the fact that they are underfilled ruins it. Look at the label closely on your amp. Do you see where the label over laps? It should be perfectly even. If it is even the slightest bit off then it is fake.

Yeah the labels over lap.

[Ironbrian82]

testoviron depot 250mg are also made in pakistan they are brown amps with no paper label but printed on or burnt in as it dont come off. also portugal make testoviron depot 250mg

[RinconVet]

Say it isn't so! Guess I'll stick with the EP line.

[TheRage93]

This is depressing

[TonyElTigre]

This is so sad... Depressing isn't even the word for it. It's awful to really hear this stuff, can't believe it at all. Def didn't expect it. I'm wondering what will be next. What is the world coming to? I mean really? This is awful. I'm not really sure what is going to happen next. Really shocking stuff.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

Lets PSL chime in and see if there is an answer.

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[Mike Arnold]

Lets PSL chime in and see if there is an answer.

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This is getting a bit old, but I understand the concern. The concern comes from ignorance on the issue.

It wasn't long ago (maybe a decade) when all one had to do to see if a product was fake was notice a discrepancy in a label, marking on the vial, etc...and we would know it was a fake. This is no longer the case. Over the last decade UGLs have virtually blown up in popularity. At this point, the large majority of people buy UGL made gear...OIT pharm-gear which was diverted to the blackmarket. In the 90's, the opposite was the case...everyone was looking for pharm-grade stuff because the UGl was still in its infancy. The times have changed.

For a long time, pharms have relied on diversion to blackmarklet to make extra profit. Even U.S pharms used to do this all the time, but by the time the first anabolic steroid control act was passed in the U.S., diversion was all but done in this country. However, we cannot say the same for other countries where steroids are legal...and/or the penalaties for diversion are a slap on the wrist.

Anyway, as time went by, new medical treatments became available, drastically reducing the medical need for AAS. With the advent of things like Nolvadex, AI's, EPO, growth hormone, and many other drugs, most of the steroids the U.S used to produce were discontinued. There was simply no more need for them now that these more effective & safer alternatives were available. This make perfect sense, but for some reason, many foreign pharms (usually the ones where steroids are either legal or the penalties are slight) continued to produce these steroids, despite having access to the same medical treatments the U.S did. Not only that, but many countries INCREASED their production of steroids...and started adding an even larger selection to their inventory. Why? There is only one reason...they were being made for intentional diversion to the blackmarket.

See, many of these smaller pharms make only a fraction of the profit U.S pharms do, so they easiest way to increase profits is to sell to the blackmarket. These pharms realize very well that the steroid blackmarket is a BILLIONS a year business! The potential for profit is massive. Therefore, these pharm divert their products to the blackmarket for a reduced cost compared to retail...and they do so in masss qauntities, making a nice penny on the side. This comes with little to no legal ramifications, so why wouldn't they?

Things went on like this for some time. However, the advent of the UGL and its eventual maturation changed the entuire game. In the 90's, UGL's as we know them today did not exist (for the most part). This left blackmarket dealers with two possible choices for sale...they could sell either pharm-grade gear...or fakes. There really wasn't any middle ground. This is why "fakes" were such a big deal back then...and even into the turn of the century. However, as time went by, the underground dynamic changed entirely. Whereas in the 90's dealers sold 90% pharm gear/fakes and 10% UGL gear...today the balance has shifted with 80-90% of total steroid sales coming from UGL gear and only 10-20% of sales coming from pharm gear/fakes.

By the time UGL gear over-ran the steroid market and pharm gear was left as the minority, foreign pharms started to change the way they did things. Most customers no longer wanted to pay insane prices for pharm gear when they could get a bottle of UGL test for $30-40. It was either adapt or continue to lose sales. They adapted. Today, it is very common for foreign pharms to produce gear in 2-3 different facilities, which exist specifically for the blackmarket. Sometimes, these facilities are even located in other countries. They are a seperate business, owned by the same company.

In the 90's, pharms would just sell from their orginal stock to the blackmarket. These days, some of their alternate facilities exist only to produce gear intended for devirsion. This has resulted in minor differences in appearance of the products. A facility in one country may make a batch with a red line...while another facility in another country makes a batch with green line, or vice versa. At other times, the facility may simply change colors with the next batch. This is very common. The one batch you speak of, we had just recieved it directly from the pharmacy and the fist thing we did was mass spec test it...and the results came back perfect! The truth of the matter is that many UGL owners have strong relationships with some of these foreign pharms and regularly purchase gear from them at a great price....especially when the UGL owner lives in the same country as the pharm, which ooccasionally happens.

Also, for those of you who think these foreign pharms follow the same production standards as U.S pharms...think again. They do NOT do things the same way as the U.S...often not even close...and neither is their 'quality control" equal with the United States. Each country has its OWN version of what it means to be a "GMP" faciility. Today, selling to the blackmarket has become a seperate business for these foreign pharmacies...and this aspect of their business does not always function like the retail aspect of their business. This is why it is getting harder and harder to be able to tell when a fake is a fake. I

In the past, one way we could tell a fake is if the product in question was not evn produced by the pharamcy. In other words, if someone buys trenbolone from Pharmacy A, but Pharmacy A does not even make trenbolone, we would immediately label the product as a "fake". Not too long ago, this would have been a reliable method, but not anymore...at least not always. Remember how I said foreign pharms will frequently produce gear specifically for UGLs? Well guess what? They will sometimes go a step further than that and make specific steroids for a UGL that the pharmacy does not even sell themselves! It wasn't long ago that a well known pharm had agreed to produce 2-3 different steroids that they did not normally make, for a UGL. These products never came to be for a variety of reasons, but it shows just how far some of these pharms are willing to go to make money off the steroid blackmarket. If these products had been produced, most people would have immediately labeled them as fakes, when in reality, they would have been 100% wrong!l

It is no different when you hear somoene say that a certain pharmacy ONLY makes gear in a certain country and if a product was made somewhere else, it is a fake. Again, that might have been true a decade ago, but necessarily anymore. In reality, a pharm may publically say they only make gear in a certain country, but have other facilities elsewhere, making steroids for the blackmarlet.

The era of fakes is passing away. Sure fakes still exist, but with pharm gear making up such a comparatively small percentage of today's steroid market...and so many foreign pharms now producing gear specifically for UGL's as seperate business, there is not as large of a need to fake a product anymore. If a UGL wants to buy testovirons...they can just buy them from the pharm, assuming they have formed a trusted relationship.

On top of that, I find the entire thing a bit funny. Think about it...if we were making fake testovs, wouldn't we use the same color line on the vial each time? That's pretty damn simple isn't it? And...why in the hell would we put updated pictires on the website each time we made a new batch with a different color ring? That would be like saying..."Hey everyone...look at our fakes...we are trying our best to make sure everyone knows we sell fakes".

No one would ever do that. That is just common sense...no one would be so dumb. if they were going to make a fake they would produce an identical product each time..and they sure as hell would not change something as simple as the ring color, which is so easy to duplicate!

These colors have changed a few times now over the last year now (and believe me, there are many other legit pharm products out there with similar variations in appearance)...because the pharm changed them...so you see what you get...and what you get is a perfectly tested batch of testovs directly from the manufacturer.

[Bryan Hildebrand]

Now to the OP's point... there is a well kno2n company who sold amps here that did not produce those amps. As it turns out the amps were fake... verified by a massively low test level via bloodwork. It was not the sellers fault but rather the purchasers fault for the company trusting the manufacturer. That issue has been resolved and the purchaser refunded with new product and an apology.

My request to both parties is simple. Use the product for 2 weeks and have bloodwork done 3-4 days after the last Injection. If there is a low test level PSL owes the purchaser product replacement and a pu lic apology. If the bloodwork comes back elevated then the OP owes a public apology.

If you wanted to take this a step further... the OP coukd have a mass spectrum analysis done to verify its actual contents. If its normal... the OP pays for the test. If not PSL pays. Easy Cheesy Japaneesy.

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